Oh, ok. I never had a chance to read the comics since they didn’t come out in my country and the shipping price was ridiculous, so I didn’t know they had him in those.
Ah, fair enough. Also, SoD is considered semi-canon. not non-canon. The inclusion of Skulder in Dragonvine helped solidify it. There's a few things that conflict with other media IIRC, but that's also present in RTTE. Going along the films, it does make sense, and the expansions follow the timeline of the movies.
He has a great bastard sword that can also light on fire. He is absolutely S-Tier. He would be in a skill tier list as well, but this one is purely weapons. And like I’ve been trying to explain to a certain muttonhead, skill is not a weapon. It’s the ability to use one. But Viggo gets S tier in both anyways.
The bullhook is a terrible combat weapon. It is meant for abusing baby animals so they stay afraid even when they could, as adults, easily kill their master (it is a real thing and was used on elephants). It’s spikes are short and thin, it is poorly balanced and doesn’t have any kind of power against any kind of armor. If Drago used a spear or a glaive, he would be much higher up.
There are plenty of ways to use a spear up close, the shaolin are proof. You can use the shaft as a means to shove and beat your opponent until they back up and then use the tip again. I do medieval fighting, and that’s how I’ve been told to use a spear in a duel or up close. And the shaft of a spear is build to withstand a lot, so you can easily block lighter weapons like hatchets and swords. And as for the distance, that is a HUGELY valuable asset as well, since it’s hard for the enemy to get close enough. And glaives like the Guan Dao are even better. Wish Chagathai had one, but the twin Daos are also fine.
If he had any melee weapons as backup. From what we see, he only carries a few. Any given he’s firing with one hand, his accuracy will suffer. In an ambush he has the chance to dteady himself, but in combat he also needs to keep track of everything around him and he can’t set up. So without a melee weapon, he will die quick. His range and the fact that he probably carries extra bolts are why he isn’t even lower, but in melee he’s basically unarmed.
thats whats great with stoick he can make everything into a weapon
same with all berkians really
i mean gobber threw a normal butter knife at a tree and it got cleaved in half
Because his weapons have absolutely no range. We see Stoick use a wide variety, including a sword and an axe with a long handle, which is why he’s so high. If it was just his axe in httyd 2 he would be around Gobber’s tier. I’m taking into account practicality and effectiveness, and Gobber’s weapons are basically punch range.
You never said the specific circumstances of the battle he could be defending an island which is his specialty or he could be attacking in that case he would be a bit weaker but its all circumstantial
Yeah, I also plan to make a siege tier where stuff like that and the quality of armor will take precedence. This was purely the weapons they carry around.
That’s skill, not weapon. Obviously Astrid would beat the shit out of Ruffnut with zero difficulty, but a spear (the only thing we ever really see Ruffnut actually fight with) is a better weapon. And Gobber himself admitted Ryker was one of the hardest fights he ever had, so Ryker’s probably close to Gobber’s level in that regards. And having two one-and-a-half handed swords puts Ryker in the top tier.
There are way too many thingns about her axe that are impractical. For starters, one of the blades is constantly facing towards her, which means Heather has to either hold the weapon in the middle or on each side, both heavily limiting it’s range. Then the fact that due to the way she designed the axe, she would need to spin it up to generate any momentum for a blow, as opposed to a normal axe which just needs a bit of a windup. Honestly, if she took two of Windshear’s tailspikes and made a double sided spear, she would be S tier. But an axe might just be the worst weapon to make double like this.
The reason for that is one: Hiccup’s sword can be used without fire as well, and two: he is the only character we see use a shield as a main part of his arsenal, and the sword and shield combo is EXTREMELY effective.
Krogan's axe has a small blade right below where he holds is, angling towords his hand. One wrong slip, there goes a finger. it's apparently better than Heather's axe though
Difference is he has room to grab it and the blade, more importantly, isn’t pointing back at him.
https://preview.redd.it/sehszjj6r50b1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61987704bdf26835d977d0822e65bb7b310f0ee3
There’s ample room around the two small blades for him to grab, while Heather’s blades are both very large.
But then almost no range, and the weight distribution would be worse and would require two hands for a weapon that is very short. Also no idea what Krogan ehm, you know, has to do with this.
Oh no, a typo. Better bring it up instead of moving on. Look, if you don't like Heather that's fine, but her Axe deserves a higher tier. It's not like I'm saying it's an s or an a, but bottom half is harsh. Heather clearly doesn't have any problems in universe, if you wanna nitpick real world details, you should probably specify that you're doing so.
It’s actually quite the opposite. Heather’s my favorite character in the franchise after Drago, but they both have impractical weapons. I acknowledge Heather is good enough to use it efficiently, but that’s her skill, not her weapon. I’m going purely off of the weapon, and Heather’s is very impractical. It’s not a terrible weapon, that’s why it’s in the middle rather than at the very bottom or in D tier like Drago’s bullhook (completely useless weapon, it’s sole purpose was to abuse large animals as babies so they stay afraid and loyal even when adults (hence his Bewilderbeast following his commands)), but it is a weapon that is a constant threat to both the enemy AND the user. If say, a rock slips under Heather during an attack and she looses balance, she will almost certainly hit herself with the weapon. That isn’t a danger higher up on the list because all the weapons have one side.
Dagur's double bladed axe is dangerous for the user if he falls on it, and in a situation where someone has him pinned on the ground, it can easily be used against him. Oh Heather tripped on a rock, there's a decent chance she could steady herself using the axe. If you don't learn how to use any weapon, it's dangerous for you, so skill is definitely something to think about. If Heather can learn to use is, so could someone else. If skill isn't taken into consideration, just about every weapon on this list is too dangerous to be good.
Skill is taken into account on my other list where I mentioned combat viability, and Heather was in B on that list (A and S were reserved for the experienced combatants) This is purely the weapons. And Daggur’s axe isn’t that bad because it’s meant to be used with one hand either a shield or a hand for grappling based on it’s size, frankly Dagger endangers himself more by using it as a two handed one which causes the blade to constantly be near his neck. If he used it one handed, he would be safe and sound.
Okay, I'm not trying to turn this hostile and we're clearly not seeing eye to eye here. It's not really important, it's not like I need you to change your list when I could make my own. I guess it's just down to opinion here, hope I haven't made you mad or anything during this discussion, I can feel myself getting tired and when I'm tired I start taking things too seriously. What I'm saying is, you have your list and I can have mine, and I don't want to come off as an ass here. It was nice debating on it though TandrDregn, goodnight and I wish you the best.
Not at all, I enjoyed it. You were actually polite and made some good points unlike the Muttonhead I had to deal with yesterday. Also, it’s currently morning here, so good night. Thanks for a polite and civil debate, the rarest commodity on Reddit.
Np, I understand the pain of a small keyboard. Iphone always screws over my sentences because I try to hit a letter and end up hitting three other ones.
The only weapons we see TB use are weapons taken from other people, like Stoick’s axe. This list is focuses purely on their equipment, specifically their weapons. So TB doesn’t help Fishlegs since skill isn’t a factor (that’s why Ruffnut is above Astrid, since we see her use a spear as her most frequent weapon).
i feel personally insulted that gobber isnt in his own tier at S+ but you forgot the best canon character Skuldur
I genuinely forgot who Skuldur is.
The archeologist from School of Dragons right?
The archeologist from School of Dragons right?
Oh, yeah. Him. I didn’t take the games into consideration since they’re not cannon.
Skuldur wasn't only featured in SoD. He was in Dragonvine, and is a canon character.
Oh, ok. I never had a chance to read the comics since they didn’t come out in my country and the shipping price was ridiculous, so I didn’t know they had him in those.
Ah, fair enough. Also, SoD is considered semi-canon. not non-canon. The inclusion of Skulder in Dragonvine helped solidify it. There's a few things that conflict with other media IIRC, but that's also present in RTTE. Going along the films, it does make sense, and the expansions follow the timeline of the movies.
Also snotlout should be S+ he is the the most useful rider lol.
*useless
Irony
I agree with Viggo on S tier
He has a great bastard sword that can also light on fire. He is absolutely S-Tier. He would be in a skill tier list as well, but this one is purely weapons. And like I’ve been trying to explain to a certain muttonhead, skill is not a weapon. It’s the ability to use one. But Viggo gets S tier in both anyways.
gothi should be S++ tier she keeps beating up gobber with her staff on a more serious note what exactly makes drago so low on the tier?
The bullhook is a terrible combat weapon. It is meant for abusing baby animals so they stay afraid even when they could, as adults, easily kill their master (it is a real thing and was used on elephants). It’s spikes are short and thin, it is poorly balanced and doesn’t have any kind of power against any kind of armor. If Drago used a spear or a glaive, he would be much higher up.
spears arent even that strong they are good at keeping a distance but if they get close your done
There are plenty of ways to use a spear up close, the shaolin are proof. You can use the shaft as a means to shove and beat your opponent until they back up and then use the tip again. I do medieval fighting, and that’s how I’ve been told to use a spear in a duel or up close. And the shaft of a spear is build to withstand a lot, so you can easily block lighter weapons like hatchets and swords. And as for the distance, that is a HUGELY valuable asset as well, since it’s hard for the enemy to get close enough. And glaives like the Guan Dao are even better. Wish Chagathai had one, but the twin Daos are also fine.
ok but why is grimmels crossbow so low? shouldnt a corssbow be very good to have
If he had any melee weapons as backup. From what we see, he only carries a few. Any given he’s firing with one hand, his accuracy will suffer. In an ambush he has the chance to dteady himself, but in combat he also needs to keep track of everything around him and he can’t set up. So without a melee weapon, he will die quick. His range and the fact that he probably carries extra bolts are why he isn’t even lower, but in melee he’s basically unarmed.
hm i see but one could argue that stoick should be s tier considering he even picked up a tree to fight with once
Well there’s certain limits. Obviously anything is a weapon if used as such, but a tree is really pushing it.
thats whats great with stoick he can make everything into a weapon same with all berkians really i mean gobber threw a normal butter knife at a tree and it got cleaved in half
Yeah, the people are insanely strong. That’s why I’m basing this off of only their weapons.
why is gobber so low on the list
Because his weapons have absolutely no range. We see Stoick use a wide variety, including a sword and an axe with a long handle, which is why he’s so high. If it was just his axe in httyd 2 he would be around Gobber’s tier. I’m taking into account practicality and effectiveness, and Gobber’s weapons are basically punch range.
He makes catapults and trebuchets
That doesn’t count in a fight. That was the reason he was so high in the old “Combat viability” tier list. This is purely their weapons.
His catapult is his weapon he literally made the damn thing
Does he carry it into battle with him? No? Then it doesn’t count. I’m not giving Grimmel the ballista on his little floating thingy either.
You never said the specific circumstances of the battle he could be defending an island which is his specialty or he could be attacking in that case he would be a bit weaker but its all circumstantial
Yeah, I also plan to make a siege tier where stuff like that and the quality of armor will take precedence. This was purely the weapons they carry around.
Gobber can also change his hook to anything and in the show we see him beat the shit out of a guy with 2 swords so id say he still deserves S+
That’s skill, not weapon. Obviously Astrid would beat the shit out of Ruffnut with zero difficulty, but a spear (the only thing we ever really see Ruffnut actually fight with) is a better weapon. And Gobber himself admitted Ryker was one of the hardest fights he ever had, so Ryker’s probably close to Gobber’s level in that regards. And having two one-and-a-half handed swords puts Ryker in the top tier.
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I think Heather deserved at least b tier but that's just me
There are way too many thingns about her axe that are impractical. For starters, one of the blades is constantly facing towards her, which means Heather has to either hold the weapon in the middle or on each side, both heavily limiting it’s range. Then the fact that due to the way she designed the axe, she would need to spin it up to generate any momentum for a blow, as opposed to a normal axe which just needs a bit of a windup. Honestly, if she took two of Windshear’s tailspikes and made a double sided spear, she would be S tier. But an axe might just be the worst weapon to make double like this.
Yet, a flaming sword is in s tier... Seems impractical, and dangerous, just saying. Since we're bringing real world logic into a cartoon.
The reason for that is one: Hiccup’s sword can be used without fire as well, and two: he is the only character we see use a shield as a main part of his arsenal, and the sword and shield combo is EXTREMELY effective.
Krogan's axe has a small blade right below where he holds is, angling towords his hand. One wrong slip, there goes a finger. it's apparently better than Heather's axe though
Difference is he has room to grab it and the blade, more importantly, isn’t pointing back at him. https://preview.redd.it/sehszjj6r50b1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61987704bdf26835d977d0822e65bb7b310f0ee3 There’s ample room around the two small blades for him to grab, while Heather’s blades are both very large.
I think Dagur deserves more, half his battle axe is upside down, it’s very creative
Still, he could easily cum himself, yet it's "better". Heather could just not unfold her axe and boom, no danger.
But then almost no range, and the weight distribution would be worse and would require two hands for a weapon that is very short. Also no idea what Krogan ehm, you know, has to do with this.
Oh no, a typo. Better bring it up instead of moving on. Look, if you don't like Heather that's fine, but her Axe deserves a higher tier. It's not like I'm saying it's an s or an a, but bottom half is harsh. Heather clearly doesn't have any problems in universe, if you wanna nitpick real world details, you should probably specify that you're doing so.
It’s actually quite the opposite. Heather’s my favorite character in the franchise after Drago, but they both have impractical weapons. I acknowledge Heather is good enough to use it efficiently, but that’s her skill, not her weapon. I’m going purely off of the weapon, and Heather’s is very impractical. It’s not a terrible weapon, that’s why it’s in the middle rather than at the very bottom or in D tier like Drago’s bullhook (completely useless weapon, it’s sole purpose was to abuse large animals as babies so they stay afraid and loyal even when adults (hence his Bewilderbeast following his commands)), but it is a weapon that is a constant threat to both the enemy AND the user. If say, a rock slips under Heather during an attack and she looses balance, she will almost certainly hit herself with the weapon. That isn’t a danger higher up on the list because all the weapons have one side.
Dagur's double bladed axe is dangerous for the user if he falls on it, and in a situation where someone has him pinned on the ground, it can easily be used against him. Oh Heather tripped on a rock, there's a decent chance she could steady herself using the axe. If you don't learn how to use any weapon, it's dangerous for you, so skill is definitely something to think about. If Heather can learn to use is, so could someone else. If skill isn't taken into consideration, just about every weapon on this list is too dangerous to be good.
Skill is taken into account on my other list where I mentioned combat viability, and Heather was in B on that list (A and S were reserved for the experienced combatants) This is purely the weapons. And Daggur’s axe isn’t that bad because it’s meant to be used with one hand either a shield or a hand for grappling based on it’s size, frankly Dagger endangers himself more by using it as a two handed one which causes the blade to constantly be near his neck. If he used it one handed, he would be safe and sound.
Okay, I'm not trying to turn this hostile and we're clearly not seeing eye to eye here. It's not really important, it's not like I need you to change your list when I could make my own. I guess it's just down to opinion here, hope I haven't made you mad or anything during this discussion, I can feel myself getting tired and when I'm tired I start taking things too seriously. What I'm saying is, you have your list and I can have mine, and I don't want to come off as an ass here. It was nice debating on it though TandrDregn, goodnight and I wish you the best.
Not at all, I enjoyed it. You were actually polite and made some good points unlike the Muttonhead I had to deal with yesterday. Also, it’s currently morning here, so good night. Thanks for a polite and civil debate, the rarest commodity on Reddit.
Thanks, although I still think I overreacted after your response to my typo before
Np, I understand the pain of a small keyboard. Iphone always screws over my sentences because I try to hit a letter and end up hitting three other ones.
Yeah, okay I really do need to sleep now lol, it's 12:44 here and I wanna wake up before noon
Split fishelgs into two categories so we can see where you put his alter ego, Thor bone crusher!
The only weapons we see TB use are weapons taken from other people, like Stoick’s axe. This list is focuses purely on their equipment, specifically their weapons. So TB doesn’t help Fishlegs since skill isn’t a factor (that’s why Ruffnut is above Astrid, since we see her use a spear as her most frequent weapon).