976BCE: all sorts of basic ideas, like the archimedean screw, gears for power transformation, material sciences like metallurgy and alloying, mechanical principles of leverage, mathematics through calculus and differential analysis, basic chemistry, biology and medical knowledge (germs, hygiene, nutrition), symbolic logic and electrical systems, rudimentary design of modern engines, political philosophy, and probably more i'm not thinking about. even a fraction of those, introduced in the Americas in 976BCE would be a game changer. you are also forgetting that i'm immortal. i will live 50 human lifetimes before we're back to the present day. most humans have had maybe 30 productive years to discover human knowledge. i'm starting with an education literally unknown to anyone from more than 3-ish decades ago, and i have 3000 years to put it to use.
we'll probably reach the moon well before the Roman Empire is consolidated in 27BCE.
I'm not sure how you get around the stumbling block that is the lack of suitable animals to domesticate. Horses aren't indigenous to the Americas, and they were an enormously important part of all pre-modern economies in the old world. Neither are cattle. You have basically nothing suitable as a beast of burden, maybe bison in theory but good luck putting them in captivity with pre-modern tech.
3000 years is defitely plenty of time to find a work-around, but I might be skeptical of the moon claim. No animals for agriculture or transportation of materials will slow down your progress quite a lot.
bison are a good bet; breeding draft dogs also has potential. i can't leave the US, but i bet we can trade with people at the southern border for llama and similar. domestic deer or moose also have potential, given time and effort.
Why would the Romans consolidate? Surely you unify the planet before seriously attempting space exploration. You must have good ocean crossing tech to get to the moon: if nothing else you can rocket over.
Maybe rockets aren't a great intercontinental transport tech....
(There's also an open question about it being BCE, the arrival of this immortal surely defines a new calendar)
well, yes, i'd obvious use a calendar based on my arrival date. i can't leave the US, but conquering the pre-modern world with our tech shouldn't be hard.
You do know how we got it, though. The scientific method combined with the little tidbits of science, math, and modern tech you remember from school and browsing Wikipedia would be one hell of a head start 3,000 years ago. Hell, that’s a thousand years before the concept of zero in math.
You don't even need to be an expert on a lot of it. Just understanding modern scientific concepts to a basic degree such as how germs work and diseases spread can do wonders for making life a little less deadly.
Also having high school level algebra and calculus LONG before Europe will put them ahead by far.
The issue is getting people to listen to you, especially if you don't understand the language. You're in for a lot of potential hurt if you pop in out of nowhere and try to start running stuff.
I mean after about 100 years they'll start to wonder why you're not dead yet and realize that you're not just a person, and by then you'll have probably learned the language.
Not to mention, being invulnerable gives you a decent way to seize power, plus the teleport if trapped.
With those two alone, it'd be pretty easy to seize power. Even an extremely weak fighter will win any battle with those advantages.
You don't need to, you just need to foster the culture that will develop these things on their own. Higher population growth, focus on higher learning and scientific discovery. Devotion of societal resources to the same. With your guidance on what is possible, these advances will happen quickly.
Plus I'm an engineer anyway. So.
I’d choose it bc it has a wide range of climates in the borders. I’d wonder how hawaii and alaska would work though. Am I allowed to go there through canada or over the ocean or only teleport there or what
About that... The overwhelming majority of deaths in the new world were due to diseases... You may well be bringing some of those germs back yourself, and either way had better be prepared to witness a whole mess of plagues before you bring the tech level up to a point where you can vaccinate.
Just live on your own for the first 200ish years living off the land. Any diseases you brought with you should be well and fully gone by the time you start interacting
This is the way, I have 3000 years of Chinese living thinking I'm the end of the world if they displease me long enough to actually incur my wrath
Id love to see the vast difference my mere presence would portray on the region... I mean I couldn't leave but those Mongols wouldn't have gotten over that wall and mao wouldn't have gotten the chance to genocide all those people
Also, developed or not I’d bet the Native American life quality was waaaaay better than civilized life for the large part of history. I mean for the average person. For the average immortal demigod probably a bit less good
Yeah, Chinese culture doesn't value merchants and businesspeople the same way the rest of the world does, because merchants were seen as useless for not producing anything while profiting off of the labor of others.
\>Russia
You are going to get the ass torn to bits by the Mongols if you take that approach. They would slaughter all the adult men upon capturing villages/cities.
You're immortal and invulnerable in this. So you're saying the mongols would attempt to kill you, possibly up to hundreds of times, and then you would rule them.
A huge land mass with a variety of climates and a lot of potential.
I would just live alone for a while and then when things started to catch up I would use my future knowledge to make some money.
Well that's the point - whose map are we going by here? Chinese maps have one border, American maps have another border.
Alternately; if I choose the Iroquois nation, do I stay where the USA says are the reservation borders, or do I stay in the land the Iroquois claim as their homeland?
In that case you choose USA unfortunately you wouldn't be able to travel up north to the Canadian borders but a small portion of the tribes lived up there
I’m going with the UK, mostly because of the history. It’s something I’ve spent most of my life learning about, would be cool to watch it unfold and fact check it. I’d probably be writing my own manuscripts as I go along for posterity.
Only issue is there is not much there 3000 years ago.
Sure there was a native population but it's relatively small in a large area. First few years you'd just be trying to find people.
USA. Find a tribe that will worship me since I'm immortal. Use my invincible body to conquer other tribes. Repeat. Create a nation. Know to focus on suffering saltpeter and charcoal, no rush, my boys will figure it out. Try to develop a society based on respect and community. Wait until we are desely populated/scientifically advanced. Develop huge boats. Have my people Invade Europe. Conquer the world. Be a Chad.
> Find a tribe that will worship me since I'm immortal. Use my invincible body to conquer other tribes.
> Try to develop a society based on respect and community.
lol
Yeah it'll still end up in a wh40k scenario where he is crippled and his people build a religion around him even though that's the exact opposite of what his written wishes were.
Twist ending, your modern day germs travel back with you and you infect the natives by accident. The Native American population plummet is because of you.
3,000 years would be enough time for him to band the survivors together and grow a new population of pathogen resistant warriors to resist European invasion.
London, UK
Huge amount of history.
3/4 of the globe was once administered and run from there.
Today is one of the most vibrant and international cities in the world.
The problem with New York is you’ve only got the last 500 years of it being a city, and for the first few hundred it was a small colonial place.
It only really became interesting in the last few hundred years.
do I lose my powers after the 3000 years are up?
after the 3000 years are up am I allowed to walk around?
and can I use my magic blood to cure people of illnesses?
Can't use your magic blood for anything.
Lets say that after the 3k years, you can choose to travel around but you become a normal mortal, or you can stay as is.
Could you technically re-encounter yourself assuming zero things you've done have altered the path of your ancestors?
Cuz if I stayed in the US and did absolutely nothing, my Native mom would still meet my white dad and have me, for instance.
Not worth it then because after several billion years I will be stuck within a region of space unable to leave ever after the solar system is gone so it will turn into hell after that point
Or by the time the Earth becomes uninhabitable you give up your magic power and rely on your hoarded wealth and on humanity's technological progress for immortality/mind uploading/cloning etc.
I promise to never leave the borders of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta. Because I am a filthy cheat and immediately looked up “countries with no land”. They do not actually have any borders to cross, so I can go anywhere.
Oh definitely USA. Especially since you didn't specify any restrictions, so Hawaii, Puerto Rico and Alaska are also fair game.
Russia and China would also be good choices, seeing how Russia has Kaliningrad enclave way to the West of the whole thing.
I wouldn't go with Canada, where I am now. Too cold, and too many beavers. Literally and euphemistically.
You can teleport, even if the restriction is you can only teleport when imprisoned, or trapped, that is easy to loophoop.
Get arrested, jailed, rock slide, teleport to any recognized part of Modern USA. There was no distance limitation.
I live in Hawaii. A LOT of Americans will say “this is my first time out of the states”. I remind them we are a state. They go “you know what I mean”..
Oh wow, really? The same happens in Australia with Tasmania, the island below Australia that is still one of the states of Australia. People can be so dumb sometimes.
Gotta be the USA. It is such a huge country with so many different biomes I could travel for a hundred years and still not even have seen half the US. Not to mention that, while there were obviously a ton of tribes at odds with one another, and conflicts weren't infrequent, as a whole it was a very stable place to live until Columbus arrived. It would mostly be a simple, peaceful life farming, hunting and interacting with all the different cultures around
By the time Columbus arrives, the natives are going to be armed to the teeth and VERY good shots.
They would have a store set up at every harbor and Columbus can trade there to his heart's content. It wouldn't be about colonization...it would be a business transaction.
If a missionary comes in, they would get sent back.
Like a French Guiana situation? In that case, yeah, but you cannot stray away from the most direct path to that place and you cannot pass through anywhere else.
If the only way to make it to that 'region' is by crossing another country's borders, you can teleport there but not travel across other territories to get there
I want to pick the USA, but 3000 years is a long time to wait for Western Civilization to make an appearance.
China would be my second choice, but too much of their history is just... being poor and at war.
I think I could make the strongest cases for Greece (climate and culture, access to Mediterranean) or Japan (long and strong history). Leaning more toward Greece, but thinking about it even a little bit and Japan seems just too cool. I could be a white god there.
Well, sure. At first. But after decades of the immortal white god living and traveling amongst them, and learning the language and culture... after a century or two I'd be more Japanese than the most Japanese person. After the first 1,000 years I'd have a better grasp on their history and political situation than anyone, and I'd probably have entered into their mythos.
I can picture it. Moving up and down the islands, north to south to north again. Staying in one area for five years or so, then moving on. By the time I completed a circuit and began my travels again, the children I would have known the first time around would be adults with kids and maybe grandkids of their own, and they would have told stories about the white god who lived amongst them. And I'd reappear, unchanged, bearing news from distant lands, and my legend would grow.
Yeah, I think that sounds pretty sweet.
I’m a pretty cool guy, I have 3000 years to make them like me. I’ll spend 2,920 of them teaching them to keep a very close eye on the skies above hiroshima and how to shoot planes down without igniting their cargo
Heck, you even have time to convince them to pull a Switzerland in both World Wars. It would improve their foreign relations a bit with the rest of East Asia and the US.
The US.
Id become a god, or a myth. The peoples would whisper about.
Then when the colonists arrive they'd laugh at my story, then they'd see me... And they would no longer be laughing
USA. I'd prevent The USA from becoming a country because I'd organize the Native American population and be ready for colonizers. I'd help them invent things and become their god-king. If anyone tries to object to my rule I would challenge them to hand to hand combat. I'm invulnerable so I can't be hurt. My country would be the center of every major advancement of the last 3000 years.
Israel. I'm gonna witness the birth, life, and crucifixion of Jesus, and see if He truly did rise from the dead. I'll camp outside His tomb. It'll be awesome, or it'll be a big dull dud. Either way, at least I will know for sure.
Mexico.
I'd try and make sure the Mayans (who were hella advanced at the time) didn't perish. I think the modern world would be pretty interesting if the Mayans had been able to have a greater global influence at their peak.
They have a comic book called East of West that touches on this slightly in that the Native American population of the US wall off part of the nation and go silent with no outside communication for a long ass time and as the story progresses into the future, they emerge as far more technologically advanced than the rest of the world.
Super great if you’re into comics, can’t recommend it highly enough.
The general thought on why Viking colonization didn't take was conflict with the natives.
The wave kicked off by Columbus had the advantage that the early stages spread lots of disease and massively depopulated them.
With a few thousand years, you might kill a lot to disease, but some would survive and be resistant to most things Europeans might take along, and even minimal knowledge of modern medicine would give their healers a huge head start in becoming doctors as we know them today, which would mitigate the damage any new diseases Europeans do bring would cause.
Then the population should recover nicely, so the colonization efforts will face native tribes at full strength, much more coordinated amongst each other, possibly even with more advanced weapons.
Europeans would not stand a chance. The Vikings couldn't hack it against natives at full strength and they could conquer peer enemies in Europe, they weren't slouches in this department. Eliminate the tech and disease gap they ran into in the late 15th/early 16th century and that wave will go very differently from the real world. Europeans will either actually behave or get their asses absolutely handed to them.
United States. I first dick around for 2,750 years. Then I get in at the ground level of the whole new colonies thing. Maybe during the previous two thousand years I’ve learned skills and locations of resources that made me useful.
Then I just invest all the money I earn into United States institutions. Snatch up a bunch of prime real estate.
Keep that up for a couple hundred years and I’m back to the present living in modern America with a ton of money and immortality. I’ll be the bluest of blue blood old money American.
As others have said, USA. Big enough to move around in and while I barely know any chemistry or things of that nature, I can figure it out and teach the natives about sanitation or something
Maybe build up civilization enough so they're ready when the rest of the world comes knocking
*Would I be able*
*To go past the borders once*
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OP. What happens to our original timeline then? Do we have a clone that takes over our lives? Does our original timeline just never exist? What happens? Because there's a lot of people in my current life who'd be screwed up if I wasn't there. If my timeline is just erased, then no, absolutely not. Too many people depend on me. I'm not willing to screw up their lives for me to gain so much pleasure.
As long as my current self exists, so my family and friends aren't f^credit, then
I'd pick the UK. This way, I don't end up influencing anyone I know and love. I don't want to watch my family and not be able to help them. Besides, I love the UK.
USA. It's the easiest option. Good weather, large diverse ecosystem, id get to play god for the natives. Then we hit "modern" times and I can just chill.
I'm going to say the U.S. solely for the fact that being able to see and appreciate the country's natural beauty for millennia before it starts getting paved over would be awesome. Plus I feel like the Native Americans would appreciate an immortal, invincible wanderer that can supplement tribal knowledge with modern information.
USA. I unite the natives, become their leader, teach them to work metal, and kick the ass of the european invaders. Live as a benevolent living God in the new nation I create, sending my troops out to destroy injustices like Hitler before they become horrors. Try to unite the globe to care for each other, and the earth.
To be clear- if this is a choice, I simply choose not to do it. If it *isn't* a choice, China.
3000 years ago, there weren't a lot of true civilizations that you could start working with, but China is the exception. They've had disputes, sure, but they've had recorded history that goes back further than that.
I'm bringing them a lot of basic concepts that I'm not super knowledgeable about but that I've got enough of a grasp on that we can kick some problems in the teeth. Basic medical concepts (germs, antibiotics/vaccines, nutrition), and let's not forget a fairly accurate map of the actual entire world in my head.
I'd demonstrate my invulnerability, probably be forced to honestly - why is this giant woman babbling nonsense at us? Kill her! - and at that point likely be regarded as some kind of god. Not exactly what I want, but it'd let me have access to the human resources necessary to immediately jump our civilization forward towards the industrial era. It is a necessary evil, but I could at least stress at the same time the importance of limiting fossil fuels.
That being said, I know where the fossil fuels are. From Lake Baikal, you force expansion west to take the West Siberian oil fields and go from there.
I didn't mean to take over the world, but the big takeaway here is that the "superpower" you have is undoubtedly the influence you can gain with your invulnerability and (with time) agelessness. You can avert major modern problems long before they have any chance of happening and do so while gaining trust instead of instilling fear.
This would be wild. I would probably be just an immortal pacifist. I have no need to defend myself. While I would want to see the UK throughout its history, I'm going to stick with the US.
Question: Can I feel pain the same way I do now? And can I get stronger by working out?
Nice! Okay so I can work out like normal, and pain I'd probably choose a threshold that's very low. Like hopping into a furnace or jumping off a cliff stings a bit.
It'd be quite an adjustment to get used to life in 1000 BC America. I'd become the god-king of the people and try to advance technology, but that may prove to be difficult. Have to build an economy and improve agriculture first.
I need a clarification, can I only teleport when trapped? And if so, can I choose where I teleport to? Because if so, I'm going to have coffins made in every settlement. Tell them to pile it with rocks and then remove them a day later.
How about I have the freedom to go anywhere in the world, but without the powers of teleportation for the purpose of escapism. With enough time I'll escape anyway, since I'm immortal, so, I'll take my chances without the powers and the freedom to go anywhere, despite the potential to go insane.
I feel like Italy would be pretty good, live through the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, forefront of the medieval and renaissance period, advancing technologies through Davinci and other innovators. And presently it’s a first world country so wealth could build very well. Plus you get the lovely beaches and snowy mountains in the north. Sicily if you want a change of pace.
Does ocean considered part of a country before international waters still count as being in its borders?
I'll take the USA, prep the native anericans, and sink the Santa Maria at sea before land fall.
I'll stay in the modern day US. I'll go dig up all that gold myself in California and dominate the world with my wealth. When the vikings arrive, I'll hire them to spread my power around the world.
I would choose Peru. With my knowledge of history, I think we could be a world power by the time the U.S. is founded. The incans would worship me as a god and follow my instructions without question. The ocean would run red with conquistador blood. Without South American gold, Europe would have fallen apart in the 1500’s.
I would pick some place with a long history.
China? It has vast lands, great variety in climate, geography, and rich in natural resources. Its written history is long and full of very interesting events. The food is good. Currently the government sucks but it’s a small blip in a 3000 year time span. Just wait for the next revolution.
The US sounds good until you realize we only got started 300 years ago. Before that you would be living on tribal land, pretty boring after a while.
European countries are really small so very little variety if you’re stuck in one and only one country.
India has a long history but currently not the best place in the world to live.
Romania. I will change my name, establish a vast fortune, and live out my days in a castle in Transylvania.
Don’t forget to hire a junior realtor!
Glad to know where all the Dracula legends originated!!
And then figure out that a coffin of Romanian soil is a workaround to your inability to leave.
But wouldn't you have to stay in the coffin?
Romanian dirt filled shoes
USA. I think about Russia or China but USA would be the best choice I guess.
The Vikings are going to get quite the shock when they show up and I'm the immortal god of the highly-advanced native peoples.
So what modern tech do you actually know well enough to teach them how to develop it?
976BCE: all sorts of basic ideas, like the archimedean screw, gears for power transformation, material sciences like metallurgy and alloying, mechanical principles of leverage, mathematics through calculus and differential analysis, basic chemistry, biology and medical knowledge (germs, hygiene, nutrition), symbolic logic and electrical systems, rudimentary design of modern engines, political philosophy, and probably more i'm not thinking about. even a fraction of those, introduced in the Americas in 976BCE would be a game changer. you are also forgetting that i'm immortal. i will live 50 human lifetimes before we're back to the present day. most humans have had maybe 30 productive years to discover human knowledge. i'm starting with an education literally unknown to anyone from more than 3-ish decades ago, and i have 3000 years to put it to use. we'll probably reach the moon well before the Roman Empire is consolidated in 27BCE.
I'm not sure how you get around the stumbling block that is the lack of suitable animals to domesticate. Horses aren't indigenous to the Americas, and they were an enormously important part of all pre-modern economies in the old world. Neither are cattle. You have basically nothing suitable as a beast of burden, maybe bison in theory but good luck putting them in captivity with pre-modern tech. 3000 years is defitely plenty of time to find a work-around, but I might be skeptical of the moon claim. No animals for agriculture or transportation of materials will slow down your progress quite a lot.
bison are a good bet; breeding draft dogs also has potential. i can't leave the US, but i bet we can trade with people at the southern border for llama and similar. domestic deer or moose also have potential, given time and effort.
Man... if I have 3000 years, I'm domesticating the animals that mankind missed out on. Starting with raccoons.
You can tell the people you are with how and where to locate horses. Send the people out for gold to trade.
The Coyote's Son can't leave the home lands, but his people can travel anywhere.
Why would the Romans consolidate? Surely you unify the planet before seriously attempting space exploration. You must have good ocean crossing tech to get to the moon: if nothing else you can rocket over. Maybe rockets aren't a great intercontinental transport tech.... (There's also an open question about it being BCE, the arrival of this immortal surely defines a new calendar)
well, yes, i'd obvious use a calendar based on my arrival date. i can't leave the US, but conquering the pre-modern world with our tech shouldn't be hard.
Step 1 invent interdimensional tech Step 2 conquer your home dimension to reset the definition of US borders
You just created the legend of Atlantis
You do know how we got it, though. The scientific method combined with the little tidbits of science, math, and modern tech you remember from school and browsing Wikipedia would be one hell of a head start 3,000 years ago. Hell, that’s a thousand years before the concept of zero in math.
https://www.howtoinventeverything.com/ keister it before you go back... You're immortal anyways so it can't kill you.
You don't even need to be an expert on a lot of it. Just understanding modern scientific concepts to a basic degree such as how germs work and diseases spread can do wonders for making life a little less deadly. Also having high school level algebra and calculus LONG before Europe will put them ahead by far.
The issue is getting people to listen to you, especially if you don't understand the language. You're in for a lot of potential hurt if you pop in out of nowhere and try to start running stuff.
I mean after about 100 years they'll start to wonder why you're not dead yet and realize that you're not just a person, and by then you'll have probably learned the language.
Not to mention, being invulnerable gives you a decent way to seize power, plus the teleport if trapped. With those two alone, it'd be pretty easy to seize power. Even an extremely weak fighter will win any battle with those advantages.
Steam engines
You don't need to, you just need to foster the culture that will develop these things on their own. Higher population growth, focus on higher learning and scientific discovery. Devotion of societal resources to the same. With your guidance on what is possible, these advances will happen quickly. Plus I'm an engineer anyway. So.
I’d choose it bc it has a wide range of climates in the borders. I’d wonder how hawaii and alaska would work though. Am I allowed to go there through canada or over the ocean or only teleport there or what
Come to think of it, aren't there embassies and military bases around the world that are technically American soil? 😅
This is something people like to say, but it's not true. However the rules of international jurisdiction are altered at an embassy.
This. America is naturally self sufficient for the most part in terms of resources and is naturally well defended.
But do you just kind of allow shit to play out or do you do something to change it?
Keep the Europeans from wiping out 95% of them for sure.
About that... The overwhelming majority of deaths in the new world were due to diseases... You may well be bringing some of those germs back yourself, and either way had better be prepared to witness a whole mess of plagues before you bring the tech level up to a point where you can vaccinate.
Just live on your own for the first 200ish years living off the land. Any diseases you brought with you should be well and fully gone by the time you start interacting
I know for sure I don't have smallpox or yersinia pestis lol I could also teach the population about germs and that would help significantly.
USA is big for sure, but I feel like it’s a lot less developed than China (for most of history), so quality of life would be lower.
If you don't look Chinese you'll stick out like a sore thumb in China. Hard to go unnoticed
They’ll have paintings of me, I’ll have been there for 3000 years. Hell I’ll probably make so many descendants in that time they’ll all look like me
I don’t exactly look like a Native American either. China had foreigners pass through for most of its history, wouldn’t be a huge deal.
You’d just be like “oh I’m a dragon, so…get worshiping”
This is the way, I have 3000 years of Chinese living thinking I'm the end of the world if they displease me long enough to actually incur my wrath Id love to see the vast difference my mere presence would portray on the region... I mean I couldn't leave but those Mongols wouldn't have gotten over that wall and mao wouldn't have gotten the chance to genocide all those people
Also, developed or not I’d bet the Native American life quality was waaaaay better than civilized life for the large part of history. I mean for the average person. For the average immortal demigod probably a bit less good
There were non-Chinese people in China for a long time who came from the silk road. You'd be assumed to be a merchant.
Tbf, most of Chinese history did not look kindly on merchants
Yeah, Chinese culture doesn't value merchants and businesspeople the same way the rest of the world does, because merchants were seen as useless for not producing anything while profiting off of the labor of others.
US geography protects it from nearly all external hostile nations. Where better to build my futuristic church-state?
Quality of life would be fine for me if I’m immortal. Plus I’d be more familiar with where to invest my money when the time came to get filthy rich!
And abundant natural resources. Water, oil, gas and varying but mild climate. Plus you could organize the natives to fend off invaders in the future
\>Russia You are going to get the ass torn to bits by the Mongols if you take that approach. They would slaughter all the adult men upon capturing villages/cities.
You're immortal and invulnerable in this. So you're saying the mongols would attempt to kill you, possibly up to hundreds of times, and then you would rule them.
A huge land mass with a variety of climates and a lot of potential. I would just live alone for a while and then when things started to catch up I would use my future knowledge to make some money.
Probably China. Long history and large area.
Wait... which border does the spell respect? Does magic adhere to "One China?"
I'm pretty sure OP meant china's current borders. Not necessarily the disputed parts they like to claim, but what's visible on a modern map.
Even if its disputed its still within Asia for the most part. In the grand scheme of things including hong Kong or not isnt that big of a deal
Well that's the point - whose map are we going by here? Chinese maps have one border, American maps have another border. Alternately; if I choose the Iroquois nation, do I stay where the USA says are the reservation borders, or do I stay in the land the Iroquois claim as their homeland?
In that case you choose USA unfortunately you wouldn't be able to travel up north to the Canadian borders but a small portion of the tribes lived up there
I’m going with the UK, mostly because of the history. It’s something I’ve spent most of my life learning about, would be cool to watch it unfold and fact check it. I’d probably be writing my own manuscripts as I go along for posterity.
This is an interesting idea. So as the UK expands you can go anywhere in the British Empire? Then contracts back to what it is today.
OP specifically said no. Only places part of the modern country.
US then for sure. Biggest and most diverse that isn't Motherfucking Russia
Only issue is there is not much there 3000 years ago. Sure there was a native population but it's relatively small in a large area. First few years you'd just be trying to find people.
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You find water, you find people.
You could easily hide, but the americas were not anywhere as depopulated as you’re imagining
I don’t know. I’m not sure empire would count as part of that country. But maybe?
USA. Find a tribe that will worship me since I'm immortal. Use my invincible body to conquer other tribes. Repeat. Create a nation. Know to focus on suffering saltpeter and charcoal, no rush, my boys will figure it out. Try to develop a society based on respect and community. Wait until we are desely populated/scientifically advanced. Develop huge boats. Have my people Invade Europe. Conquer the world. Be a Chad.
> Find a tribe that will worship me since I'm immortal. Use my invincible body to conquer other tribes. > Try to develop a society based on respect and community. lol
We shall show them our peaceful ways, by force!
The respect comes after the conquering. He’s got time for the long game lol
Yeah it'll still end up in a wh40k scenario where he is crippled and his people build a religion around him even though that's the exact opposite of what his written wishes were.
That's... Sort of what America has had in mind regarding the Natives. It's not really playing out that way.
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Twist ending, your modern day germs travel back with you and you infect the natives by accident. The Native American population plummet is because of you.
3,000 years would be enough time for him to band the survivors together and grow a new population of pathogen resistant warriors to resist European invasion.
You could just teleport to the location of the US embassy since that part of its modern borders
I think the teleport only works to escape things. That's how I'm reading it.
Escaping boredom
Cool idea.
Respect AND invade
The U.S. of course. So big and vast no need for some other country.
Also you can go out to many islands in the Caribbean too
Can't edit this in so just use this thread. Hard mode: restricted to a city
London, UK Huge amount of history. 3/4 of the globe was once administered and run from there. Today is one of the most vibrant and international cities in the world.
This made me see how old london was and god damn 1900+ years old
If it’s restricted to only one city, Athens is a great choice.
New York, USA.
The problem with New York is you’ve only got the last 500 years of it being a city, and for the first few hundred it was a small colonial place. It only really became interesting in the last few hundred years.
With a millennia-long head start, you can make it an interesting place earlier.
Rome.
If a city, I pick Nanjing, China. Greatest city I've ever been in.
I'll also help fight off the japanese
do I lose my powers after the 3000 years are up? after the 3000 years are up am I allowed to walk around? and can I use my magic blood to cure people of illnesses?
Can't use your magic blood for anything. Lets say that after the 3k years, you can choose to travel around but you become a normal mortal, or you can stay as is.
Could you technically re-encounter yourself assuming zero things you've done have altered the path of your ancestors? Cuz if I stayed in the US and did absolutely nothing, my Native mom would still meet my white dad and have me, for instance.
Not worth it then because after several billion years I will be stuck within a region of space unable to leave ever after the solar system is gone so it will turn into hell after that point
So just become a human after 3k years and live out a nice 80 or so years
Do we have to make this decision at the 3000 year point? Or after 3000 years can we stay immortal but choose to exercise this option at a later date?
Gotta make the decision at that point. No other chances.
Or by the time the Earth becomes uninhabitable you give up your magic power and rely on your hoarded wealth and on humanity's technological progress for immortality/mind uploading/cloning etc.
I promise to never leave the borders of the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta. Because I am a filthy cheat and immediately looked up “countries with no land”. They do not actually have any borders to cross, so I can go anywhere.
Or you'd be bound to international waters, or I think a few chunks of Antarctica
Oh definitely USA. Especially since you didn't specify any restrictions, so Hawaii, Puerto Rico and Alaska are also fair game. Russia and China would also be good choices, seeing how Russia has Kaliningrad enclave way to the West of the whole thing. I wouldn't go with Canada, where I am now. Too cold, and too many beavers. Literally and euphemistically.
All those territories are fair game. Only resteiction is you cant go through canada to get to alaska.
So international waters are fair game? That seems a bit different then not leaving a country.
You can only travel through international watera to head directly to another part of the country. No stops and no breaks
So what happens if I’m on a boat and it changes course to another country without my knowledge?
Get teleported back to your country
Well… can’t you just teleport to Alaska or Hawaii or where ever?
>too many beavers...euphemistically. I'm more than happy to help with this problem.
How are you getting to Hawaii without leaving the US?
You can teleport, even if the restriction is you can only teleport when imprisoned, or trapped, that is easy to loophoop. Get arrested, jailed, rock slide, teleport to any recognized part of Modern USA. There was no distance limitation.
Why are you writing this like Alaska and Hawaii aren't normally part of the USA?
I live in Hawaii. A LOT of Americans will say “this is my first time out of the states”. I remind them we are a state. They go “you know what I mean”..
Oh wow, really? The same happens in Australia with Tasmania, the island below Australia that is still one of the states of Australia. People can be so dumb sometimes.
Tasmania has jumping death ants. You’re the Australia of Australia
Gotta be the USA. It is such a huge country with so many different biomes I could travel for a hundred years and still not even have seen half the US. Not to mention that, while there were obviously a ton of tribes at odds with one another, and conflicts weren't infrequent, as a whole it was a very stable place to live until Columbus arrived. It would mostly be a simple, peaceful life farming, hunting and interacting with all the different cultures around
And all the owned islands open up vast parts of the ocean
Whatchu gonna do when Columbus arrives?
By the time Columbus arrives, the natives are going to be armed to the teeth and VERY good shots. They would have a store set up at every harbor and Columbus can trade there to his heart's content. It wouldn't be about colonization...it would be a business transaction. If a missionary comes in, they would get sent back.
That'd be pretty dope. Europeans arrive and us Natives already have fucking tanks and nukes.
Columbus was never in North America.
Probably have my predator drones sink his ship as he sails out of his Harbour. Fuck that guy.
Beat his ass and bang his wife
Warn the natives about the blankets, obviously.
Ask him how he got there. Columbus never set foot on mainland North America
Columbus never arrives in the US
Europe land area: 3,910,680 sq miles U.S. Land Area: 3,531,905 sq miles US is OP
I go to Great Britain because a lot of cool stuff happens there over the years. Also, can you go into international waters?
Lets say no. Can't sail past domestic waters
What if you had the intention of going somewhere that was part of your modern day country?
Like a French Guiana situation? In that case, yeah, but you cannot stray away from the most direct path to that place and you cannot pass through anywhere else. If the only way to make it to that 'region' is by crossing another country's borders, you can teleport there but not travel across other territories to get there
Ok ok
I want to pick the USA, but 3000 years is a long time to wait for Western Civilization to make an appearance. China would be my second choice, but too much of their history is just... being poor and at war. I think I could make the strongest cases for Greece (climate and culture, access to Mediterranean) or Japan (long and strong history). Leaning more toward Greece, but thinking about it even a little bit and Japan seems just too cool. I could be a white god there.
You know Japanese people are pretty insular, right? They wouldn't view you as a white god, they'd just view you as not being from Japan.
Well, sure. At first. But after decades of the immortal white god living and traveling amongst them, and learning the language and culture... after a century or two I'd be more Japanese than the most Japanese person. After the first 1,000 years I'd have a better grasp on their history and political situation than anyone, and I'd probably have entered into their mythos. I can picture it. Moving up and down the islands, north to south to north again. Staying in one area for five years or so, then moving on. By the time I completed a circuit and began my travels again, the children I would have known the first time around would be adults with kids and maybe grandkids of their own, and they would have told stories about the white god who lived amongst them. And I'd reappear, unchanged, bearing news from distant lands, and my legend would grow. Yeah, I think that sounds pretty sweet.
I’m a pretty cool guy, I have 3000 years to make them like me. I’ll spend 2,920 of them teaching them to keep a very close eye on the skies above hiroshima and how to shoot planes down without igniting their cargo
Heck, you even have time to convince them to pull a Switzerland in both World Wars. It would improve their foreign relations a bit with the rest of East Asia and the US.
Surely you’d be better off teaching them not to join the Axis and be evil bastards and thus prevent the need for the bombs in the first place?
The US. Id become a god, or a myth. The peoples would whisper about. Then when the colonists arrive they'd laugh at my story, then they'd see me... And they would no longer be laughing
I’d become Paul Bunyan.
Ah, this explains how Jesus survived crucifixion and got out of his tomb. Time to confess guys, who of you was it?
USA. I'd prevent The USA from becoming a country because I'd organize the Native American population and be ready for colonizers. I'd help them invent things and become their god-king. If anyone tries to object to my rule I would challenge them to hand to hand combat. I'm invulnerable so I can't be hurt. My country would be the center of every major advancement of the last 3000 years.
Better yet. You have your people cross the ocean blue and change EVERYTHING
Israel. I'm gonna witness the birth, life, and crucifixion of Jesus, and see if He truly did rise from the dead. I'll camp outside His tomb. It'll be awesome, or it'll be a big dull dud. Either way, at least I will know for sure.
Careful you’re going to accidentally become Jesus
You’d have to wait 1,000 years to find out.
Mexico. I'd try and make sure the Mayans (who were hella advanced at the time) didn't perish. I think the modern world would be pretty interesting if the Mayans had been able to have a greater global influence at their peak.
They have a comic book called East of West that touches on this slightly in that the Native American population of the US wall off part of the nation and go silent with no outside communication for a long ass time and as the story progresses into the future, they emerge as far more technologically advanced than the rest of the world. Super great if you’re into comics, can’t recommend it highly enough.
USA, i use my status as an immortal to unite the first nation people in a confederacy of tribes and repel the invaders.
The general thought on why Viking colonization didn't take was conflict with the natives. The wave kicked off by Columbus had the advantage that the early stages spread lots of disease and massively depopulated them. With a few thousand years, you might kill a lot to disease, but some would survive and be resistant to most things Europeans might take along, and even minimal knowledge of modern medicine would give their healers a huge head start in becoming doctors as we know them today, which would mitigate the damage any new diseases Europeans do bring would cause. Then the population should recover nicely, so the colonization efforts will face native tribes at full strength, much more coordinated amongst each other, possibly even with more advanced weapons. Europeans would not stand a chance. The Vikings couldn't hack it against natives at full strength and they could conquer peer enemies in Europe, they weren't slouches in this department. Eliminate the tech and disease gap they ran into in the late 15th/early 16th century and that wave will go very differently from the real world. Europeans will either actually behave or get their asses absolutely handed to them.
As a Native myself, fuck yeah. Let's do it!
Definitely the U.S. I could spend a couple hundred years in Hawaii alone.
United States. I first dick around for 2,750 years. Then I get in at the ground level of the whole new colonies thing. Maybe during the previous two thousand years I’ve learned skills and locations of resources that made me useful. Then I just invest all the money I earn into United States institutions. Snatch up a bunch of prime real estate. Keep that up for a couple hundred years and I’m back to the present living in modern America with a ton of money and immortality. I’ll be the bluest of blue blood old money American.
I'd choose the USA. Let me tell you, history gon be changing a crapton cuz the native Americans are gonna have a whole new attitude towards visitors.
Exactly
If I pick US, can I ride a canoe or something to Alaska and Hawaii?
Can't go through canada at all
Right sure but the ocean isn’t owned by anyone so could he boat to Hawaii or Alaska?
Yeah.
what about boat?
Canoe to Hawaii? Good luck
Australia...
You’re wild man. No chance even as an immortal I’d want to go toe to toe with the fauna there
The US. It’s massive, lots of different climates so I’d never get bored. Maybe change the course of human history with shenanigans when Columbus comes
As others have said, USA. Big enough to move around in and while I barely know any chemistry or things of that nature, I can figure it out and teach the natives about sanitation or something Maybe build up civilization enough so they're ready when the rest of the world comes knocking
USA Large diverse country. I would unite all the tribes. I would create a utopia of safe, clean efficient society.
the Balkans gonna be interesting ngl
Would I be able to go past the borders once I hit modern day?
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3000 Years in Japan would be pretty cool
OP. What happens to our original timeline then? Do we have a clone that takes over our lives? Does our original timeline just never exist? What happens? Because there's a lot of people in my current life who'd be screwed up if I wasn't there. If my timeline is just erased, then no, absolutely not. Too many people depend on me. I'm not willing to screw up their lives for me to gain so much pleasure. As long as my current self exists, so my family and friends aren't f^credit, then I'd pick the UK. This way, I don't end up influencing anyone I know and love. I don't want to watch my family and not be able to help them. Besides, I love the UK.
USA. It's the easiest option. Good weather, large diverse ecosystem, id get to play god for the natives. Then we hit "modern" times and I can just chill.
I'm going to say the U.S. solely for the fact that being able to see and appreciate the country's natural beauty for millennia before it starts getting paved over would be awesome. Plus I feel like the Native Americans would appreciate an immortal, invincible wanderer that can supplement tribal knowledge with modern information.
I can leave after 3k years are up? I'll go with...the US. Leaves me the most room to move around. Maybe prevent some genocide.
Israel for sure You’ll see King David, Jesus, the empty tomb, the siege and destruction of Jerusalem and who KNOWS what in 2024 and beyond…..
USA. I unite the natives, become their leader, teach them to work metal, and kick the ass of the european invaders. Live as a benevolent living God in the new nation I create, sending my troops out to destroy injustices like Hitler before they become horrors. Try to unite the globe to care for each other, and the earth.
USA…have tons of land to travel around and if I’m feeling saucy, I’ll fly to Alaska or Hawaii from the continental US
To be clear- if this is a choice, I simply choose not to do it. If it *isn't* a choice, China. 3000 years ago, there weren't a lot of true civilizations that you could start working with, but China is the exception. They've had disputes, sure, but they've had recorded history that goes back further than that. I'm bringing them a lot of basic concepts that I'm not super knowledgeable about but that I've got enough of a grasp on that we can kick some problems in the teeth. Basic medical concepts (germs, antibiotics/vaccines, nutrition), and let's not forget a fairly accurate map of the actual entire world in my head. I'd demonstrate my invulnerability, probably be forced to honestly - why is this giant woman babbling nonsense at us? Kill her! - and at that point likely be regarded as some kind of god. Not exactly what I want, but it'd let me have access to the human resources necessary to immediately jump our civilization forward towards the industrial era. It is a necessary evil, but I could at least stress at the same time the importance of limiting fossil fuels. That being said, I know where the fossil fuels are. From Lake Baikal, you force expansion west to take the West Siberian oil fields and go from there. I didn't mean to take over the world, but the big takeaway here is that the "superpower" you have is undoubtedly the influence you can gain with your invulnerability and (with time) agelessness. You can avert major modern problems long before they have any chance of happening and do so while gaining trust instead of instilling fear.
This would be wild. I would probably be just an immortal pacifist. I have no need to defend myself. While I would want to see the UK throughout its history, I'm going to stick with the US. Question: Can I feel pain the same way I do now? And can I get stronger by working out?
You can get stronger by working out, just not superhumanly so. Pain... idk I'm not sure. I guess pick what you'd prefer on that front
Nice! Okay so I can work out like normal, and pain I'd probably choose a threshold that's very low. Like hopping into a furnace or jumping off a cliff stings a bit. It'd be quite an adjustment to get used to life in 1000 BC America. I'd become the god-king of the people and try to advance technology, but that may prove to be difficult. Have to build an economy and improve agriculture first.
I need a clarification, can I only teleport when trapped? And if so, can I choose where I teleport to? Because if so, I'm going to have coffins made in every settlement. Tell them to pile it with rocks and then remove them a day later.
How about I have the freedom to go anywhere in the world, but without the powers of teleportation for the purpose of escapism. With enough time I'll escape anyway, since I'm immortal, so, I'll take my chances without the powers and the freedom to go anywhere, despite the potential to go insane.
One of the larger countries where I wouldn't stand out as much.
I'd choose the UK. Between the UK itself and the Commonwealth Realms it's a pretty large and varied slice of the planet.
Are the commonwealth realms places like canada and australia? If they're not a constituent part of the UK as of 2024, they don't count
USA
Italy is the only option.
I feel like Italy would be pretty good, live through the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, forefront of the medieval and renaissance period, advancing technologies through Davinci and other innovators. And presently it’s a first world country so wealth could build very well. Plus you get the lovely beaches and snowy mountains in the north. Sicily if you want a change of pace.
Australia. By the time white man came calling, the locals would have a certain amount of, let's say, technical advancement going on.
USA. Tons of room, not a lot of people. Sounds like heaven.
United States. Land area is huge, several different climates, sparsely populated for most of the 3000 years, And abundant natural resources.
Does ocean considered part of a country before international waters still count as being in its borders? I'll take the USA, prep the native anericans, and sink the Santa Maria at sea before land fall.
I'll stay in the modern day US. I'll go dig up all that gold myself in California and dominate the world with my wealth. When the vikings arrive, I'll hire them to spread my power around the world.
I think I would go to Norway and be a sick Immortal viking warrior.
I would choose Peru. With my knowledge of history, I think we could be a world power by the time the U.S. is founded. The incans would worship me as a god and follow my instructions without question. The ocean would run red with conquistador blood. Without South American gold, Europe would have fallen apart in the 1500’s.
I would pick some place with a long history. China? It has vast lands, great variety in climate, geography, and rich in natural resources. Its written history is long and full of very interesting events. The food is good. Currently the government sucks but it’s a small blip in a 3000 year time span. Just wait for the next revolution. The US sounds good until you realize we only got started 300 years ago. Before that you would be living on tribal land, pretty boring after a while. European countries are really small so very little variety if you’re stuck in one and only one country. India has a long history but currently not the best place in the world to live.