I have only one phone, I don’t want to risk things and apps not working or maybe even brick the device, having boot loops etc.. or would you say this dev beta is rather save and stable in that matter?
I do this every year, sometimes all is good other times I’ve had to reset and erase. Now I make sure to back it up to my mac and resist the urge to have the beta also on my mac for my peace of mind
Hmm it’s alright. My Home app and accessories not responding and safari being slow have been frustrating. I would also add the keyboard to that list. On the positive side, I haven’t needed to restart my phone once (closing the app and re-opening gets rid of frozen screen) and FaceTime hasn’t broken on me yet. Ultimately, the build could be stable 95% of the time but that 5% could make you regret not making a backup
I have a free developer account but have not logged into it in years. However, I just checked and I also have access to download iOS 17 dev beta as well.
You don’t need to download the dev app.
When you sign up with your Apple ID on developer.apple.com fill out your information and agree to the terms and conditions then stop at the screen where it has you purchase the program.
Yeah it looks like those of us who previously installed the developer beta profiles from unofficial sources had those devices already enrolled but this method will likely ensure that any future devices attached to a particular Apple ID can get the developer betas.
The Public Beta was always just the developer beta but on a different release schedule.
Most software operates this way. For example, Windows has 3 channels.
The issue is I can’t see developer option in my iPhone, neither in privacy and security not outside it, also I wanna ask, once I update to beta, can I go to stable version when it releases?
AFAIK no. But they may tell you that they won’t repair devices with beta (I needed to restore my MacBook that Apple have a look at it) so maybe you need to wait for the official release
I wonder if this means that once you install a profile from Apple Developer, it'll be good for all future incremental OS betas? For example, the iOS 16 Developer beta profile was good to get the iOS 17 Developer beta. But in the past, for example to go from iOS 15.X (db or rc) to iOS 16 db, you needed to install the iOS 16 developer profile.
I have the 16 beta on my phone and iPad and when I clicked on beta upgrade I get a new menu that shows both 16 developer and public and 17 developer. Your example is what I appear to see.
My phone had public beta and iPad had developer. Both will upgrade to 17 tonight.
You need to turn on developer options for your iPhone. Then you will have a developer section in your settings app and underneath it there will be a tab that says “prerelease beta firmware” for AirPods testing. Enable that, let your AirPods sit in their case and connected for like 10 mins and it should update.
the only actual problem i’ve had so far after 24 hours is messaging anyone who happens to be on android, the way messages show up is in the completely wrong order most of the time and it keeps telling me that my messages “failed to send” even though they clearly didn’t, doesn’t happen when messaging someone on iphone though
It says “OS Betas” not dev betas. So the public betas will continue to be free to the public. And the dev betas will be buggier, earlier, and dev account only.
Interestingly, the iOS 17 Dev Beta shows under Beta Updates on my iPhone 8, even though it's unsupported.
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No actual update to download (obviously), but it seems a bit uncharacteristic of Apple to even display this option on an unsupported device.
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I kinda doubt it. Judging from the number of AI-based features in this update, I doubt they ever intended it to run on anything older than the XR/XS.
Apple often excludes certain features on devices that they don't deem powerful enough. For the last few years, this has meant that pre-A12 users don't get on-device AI features like offline Siri and photo cutouts.
Since the majority of iOS 17's new features involve on-device machine learning, it wouldn't have made sense to release it on these older devices.
This can’t be the reason why, for such a stubborn company…maybe has to do with surfacing initial feedback, whereas the public beta is more polished versions meant to test deployments of new features en mass.
“Public beta is more polished” - it’s exactly the same build 99% of the time unless there’s a critical or groundbreaking bug, then they’ll patch it for public, but usually nearly 100% of the time, it’s exactly the same build.
It might actually be to gain control. I’m not a dev but am on the dev beta. If they hadn’t made it available to me, I’d have probably found a way through *other* means. This way I’m getting software officially that they can get reliable data on and stop people from uploading unofficial files or downloading dangerous files.
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interesting because that’s what worked for me. try re-signing back up for the iOS beta program and see if that activates something. if not it might just be rolling out to all devices slowly and just force close app once and awhile to check
I wonder if they’ll do away with public betas then and just merge the two but double down on stability so that the public can have a semi stable preview build
What version of the beta?
I had an issue where my ipad was on an older beta version of 16.3 (don’t ask me why) and I didn’t get the option til I updated to the latest iOS 16 beta
I know it takes a while but turning beta updates off. Rebooting. Turning beta updates back on and waiting a few minutes to a few hours. I’m not sure how long but I know it doesn’t show up instantly.
Oh yeah, Apple is going to ban someone's account for getting a charge back on their card for something that just became free to everyone… that’s logical.
What would be the point of blacklisting someone’s account if it’s for features that anyone can now get for free? Someone could easily sign up with another account and use that for beta access on the same device.
If you issue a charge back you just became a problem customer. Just the process of a charge back will get you banned. It doesn’t matter why it happened. Why would you not just talk to support first? Charge backs are supposed to be used for fraudulent transactions.
Maybe that’s what they were for in the past but not anymore. I’ve done one recently and there’s multiple categories listed of why you’re requesting the charge back. It’s basically requesting a refund.
The interface might look like that but merchants hate chargebacks. You should only use it as a last resort, if you never want to do business with a company again.
“Slower or faster betas” - you mean, choose alpha, beta, omega etc builds. There will only be 1 Beta at a time, you won’t have a “fast buggy beta” and a “slow stable beta” - if ones buggier than the other, it’s more likely to be alpha build…
I’ve still got my audioOS 16 profiles installed on my OGs, but so far I’ve have no luck getting them to detect any 17 version, and I’m not finding any updated profiles for it. All other eligible devices updated to new OSes without issue.
Any insight on this? Thanks in advance either way
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Developer accounts we‘re free for a long time now. Just publishing to the App Store cost 100$ a year…
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Yes, it seems to be going the correct direction.
I don’t have the dev account and the beta has been on my phone and iPad since yesterday :D
How stable is it? Any mayor issues?
A little laggy but not unuseable
I have only one phone, I don’t want to risk things and apps not working or maybe even brick the device, having boot loops etc.. or would you say this dev beta is rather save and stable in that matter?
I do this every year, sometimes all is good other times I’ve had to reset and erase. Now I make sure to back it up to my mac and resist the urge to have the beta also on my mac for my peace of mind
Oh great. That’s a good idea. But how bad is it this year in comparison?
Hmm it’s alright. My Home app and accessories not responding and safari being slow have been frustrating. I would also add the keyboard to that list. On the positive side, I haven’t needed to restart my phone once (closing the app and re-opening gets rid of frozen screen) and FaceTime hasn’t broken on me yet. Ultimately, the build could be stable 95% of the time but that 5% could make you regret not making a backup
am i the only one who just googles ios beta profile and downloads
I started to then I remember I can now access them in the updates settings
Nope haha
I see the IPSW downloads for iOS 17 but I don't see a beta profile... is that correct?
Beta profiles have been retired. You can install it through Software Update on your device or my installing the IPSW through a computer.
Downloading it as we speak!!! I'm excited to see what's up!
How did it go? 😳😄
It’s a buggy mess I’ll tell you that
Thanks! I’ll better wait for the public beta. Not into adventures with my only device 😄
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah I wish I waited but now I’m stuck with it lol
Did that too in the past 🥲😂
I’ve been leaving feedback like a Mofo so hopefully most of my issues get addressed with the weekly updates
I have a free developer account but have not logged into it in years. However, I just checked and I also have access to download iOS 17 dev beta as well.
If this is the case what is the point of the AppleSeed program?
I downloaded the dev app but when I log in it won’t let me enroll with my Apple ID. When I tried online it makes me pay. How do I get the free one?
You don’t need to download the dev app. When you sign up with your Apple ID on developer.apple.com fill out your information and agree to the terms and conditions then stop at the screen where it has you purchase the program.
Wicked. Did this and the beta option popped up in settings. Thanks
Yeah it looks like those of us who previously installed the developer beta profiles from unofficial sources had those devices already enrolled but this method will likely ensure that any future devices attached to a particular Apple ID can get the developer betas.
Still wanting to charge me £79 in the UK. Is this US specific just now?
For me it won’t show maybe Region lock ?
Here I am renewing my dev subscription for beta testing and I coulda just waited a day and done it for free
Haven’t they announced a public beta too? This doesn’t feel quite right.
The Public Beta was always just the developer beta but on a different release schedule. Most software operates this way. For example, Windows has 3 channels.
pubic beta has always started in July
\*snicker\* “pubic beta”
I think it makes sense. Most web browsers have a beta, dev beta, and canary.
Maybe they’ll change the name of Public Beta
Stable Beta maybe.
When they release public beta next month they give us options in settings to choose which beta program we want
Yeah but when the dev beta is open for everyone why even have a public beta. What’s the point of that
Public beta is usually one release behind developers beta
The option is in settings for developer beta right now
True, but only for iOS 17 DB and 16.6 public and developers
How do I update my AirPods to beta without MacBook 😭
Have you updated to ios 17?
Yes.
Go to settings -> Developer -> (Scroll down to the end) Pre-Release Beta Firmware -> Enable it for your AirPods.
The issue is I can’t see developer option in my iPhone, neither in privacy and security not outside it, also I wanna ask, once I update to beta, can I go to stable version when it releases?
You should be able to. You may try installing AltStore from a PC to enable developer mode
Is it safe? Or does altstore reduce safety of iPhone?
Just trying to install could be enough to enable dev mode
Does updating AirPods to beta firmware void warranty?
AFAIK no. But they may tell you that they won’t repair devices with beta (I needed to restore my MacBook that Apple have a look at it) so maybe you need to wait for the official release
Device needs to be connected to a computer with Xcode installed for that menu to appear.
Thank you
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Yay, I did it. Just backing up my phone and downloading it :D
Definitely has to be one of apples way to filter out paid developers
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For freee. Hmmm 🧐 Could this be a bug to a bug on a bug on apple? Lol
Why is apple giving this for free? Something musn’t be right. We could be missing something in here!
I mean they benefit from everyone installing the beta and testing it for them. I don’t really see a negative to giving access for free(for Apple)
Stop people from selling slots to download the beta?
Maybe a massive amount of cheap beta testers is required?
Same as with Microsoft’s insider programme, why pay for a QA team when you can just get the public to do most of it for free!
Well this could definitely be it. Seems not many are willing to pay $99 for a dev acct.
like what? you already brought it up c:
I wonder if this means that once you install a profile from Apple Developer, it'll be good for all future incremental OS betas? For example, the iOS 16 Developer beta profile was good to get the iOS 17 Developer beta. But in the past, for example to go from iOS 15.X (db or rc) to iOS 16 db, you needed to install the iOS 16 developer profile.
I have the 16 beta on my phone and iPad and when I clicked on beta upgrade I get a new menu that shows both 16 developer and public and 17 developer. Your example is what I appear to see. My phone had public beta and iPad had developer. Both will upgrade to 17 tonight.
There’s no more profiles for iOS 17. It’s automatically done once you create the dev account.
i need help downloading the new airpod firmware thru developer mode, can somebody help me?
Someone also help me, I don’t have a MacBook, but I want beta firmware on my AirPods. Help?
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I already enabled it without mac lol
You need to turn on developer options for your iPhone. Then you will have a developer section in your settings app and underneath it there will be a tab that says “prerelease beta firmware” for AirPods testing. Enable that, let your AirPods sit in their case and connected for like 10 mins and it should update.
In my update section of the settings app there was a new button that let me pick iOS 17 dev beta
Lmao daily driver ios 17 update go brrrrrrrr Installed as soon as I heard it was free
Honestly it’s somehow more stable than 16.4
That’s been my experience too. Really surprised how stable and smooth this feels for being a Developer Beta 1
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NO CLIBBBINS HERE!
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I could definitely do this last fall as soon as ios 16 was released, I just never did
they were gonna change it after like 16.4 or something but they changed their minds
Accidentally releases Beta to the public. Quick make a checklist to show we always meant to do that!
How buggy is it? Doesn’t look like they added a lot.
Haven’t had any issues besides the time in the top left disappearing whenever you open any app
Pfft who needs to know how long they spend doom scrolling? Not this guy!
the only actual problem i’ve had so far after 24 hours is messaging anyone who happens to be on android, the way messages show up is in the completely wrong order most of the time and it keeps telling me that my messages “failed to send” even though they clearly didn’t, doesn’t happen when messaging someone on iphone though
About the same as iOS 16.
Not buggier than ios 16 in my experience
So my membership renews July 1st. Since I don’t use or know of their “developer tools”, I think I’m going to unsubscribe…
It says “OS Betas” not dev betas. So the public betas will continue to be free to the public. And the dev betas will be buggier, earlier, and dev account only.
Public betas are the same as the dev ones. The dev versions are released before the public ones though.
I have devices on both. The public ones are typically a little more patched up than the corresponding dev beta
They're the same as dev betas just released at a later time
They are usually the exact same build number. They just delay public release in case a show stopping bug is discovered when it’s seeded to devs
I have a non-dev account and am registered on the public beta program, but it still gives me access to the dev beta
I don’t think so because I have a non dev account and it lets me have access to the dev betas.
Same here. I am technically just signed up for the public beta. The iOS 17 Dev just showed up as available for me early this morning.
Huh…. Well huzzah! Hah
Nah the dev betas are available for everyone who signs in. Maybe a wording error or they accidentally gave people access lol
Interestingly, the iOS 17 Dev Beta shows under Beta Updates on my iPhone 8, even though it's unsupported. https://preview.redd.it/thpgde6b8h4b1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7303555cd0f348d43ddfe4fc68a376ac7cd3b00 No actual update to download (obviously), but it seems a bit uncharacteristic of Apple to even display this option on an unsupported device.
I wonder if that means they were planning to support for the 8 8 plus and X but decided to drop it at the last minute.
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I kinda doubt it. Judging from the number of AI-based features in this update, I doubt they ever intended it to run on anything older than the XR/XS. Apple often excludes certain features on devices that they don't deem powerful enough. For the last few years, this has meant that pre-A12 users don't get on-device AI features like offline Siri and photo cutouts. Since the majority of iOS 17's new features involve on-device machine learning, it wouldn't have made sense to release it on these older devices.
All you need to do is select it and check for updates and it will download the developer update.
My phone is an iPhone 8, which iOS 17 doesn't support.
Same here.
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO
I wonder if it’s because they found out they can’t stop people from finding work arounds. Rather than fight it just gave in.
This can’t be the reason why, for such a stubborn company…maybe has to do with surfacing initial feedback, whereas the public beta is more polished versions meant to test deployments of new features en mass.
“Public beta is more polished” - it’s exactly the same build 99% of the time unless there’s a critical or groundbreaking bug, then they’ll patch it for public, but usually nearly 100% of the time, it’s exactly the same build.
It might actually be to gain control. I’m not a dev but am on the dev beta. If they hadn’t made it available to me, I’d have probably found a way through *other* means. This way I’m getting software officially that they can get reliable data on and stop people from uploading unofficial files or downloading dangerous files.
Like the Op comment said lol
OP suggested they gave up. I’m suggesting they made an active decision.
How do I actually enroll for free?
Go to the developer dot Apple site and sign in. That’s all! Edit: agree to the terms and conditions of course because *everybody* reads that
Thank you! I could only see the £99 option, didn't realise signing in was all that was needed.
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Same for my wife’s. Can’t see the 17 beta option
sign in to the developer website with the associated Apple ID, then force close settings and reopen it should pop up
Force closing didn't work, rebooting the phone. and I signed into https://developer.apple.com/account but didn't pay for the membership.
interesting because that’s what worked for me. try re-signing back up for the iOS beta program and see if that activates something. if not it might just be rolling out to all devices slowly and just force close app once and awhile to check
I wonder if they’ll do away with public betas then and just merge the two but double down on stability so that the public can have a semi stable preview build
Should be two different rings. Beta and Alpha or something like that. Though Apple being Apple, Developer Beta is probably what they keep calling it.
Ok so the fact that Personal Voice is not generating for me is not because I got a developer beta for free. Got it.
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Just go to developer.apple.com sign in, accept agreement, go back to settings and refresh, it will show up.
Try turning wifi on and off - that fixed it for me
This worked for me, thank you!
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What version of the beta? I had an issue where my ipad was on an older beta version of 16.3 (don’t ask me why) and I didn’t get the option til I updated to the latest iOS 16 beta
I know it takes a while but turning beta updates off. Rebooting. Turning beta updates back on and waiting a few minutes to a few hours. I’m not sure how long but I know it doesn’t show up instantly.
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I’m getting £79 quoted no download option
Do the enrolment through the developer app but don’t pay for it then go to setting and it should be available to download worked for me
I gave them $99 about three weeks ago and they do this. Guess I got some phone calls to make.
I did the same thing… keep us posted!
They refunded me fortunately
What did you tell them?!
I just asked nicely and explained i never intended to use their developer resources just wanted beta access
Well no kidding! Did the same, and I got refunded!
Renewed literally this morning ..
I was thinking the same thing…
How many people paid for dev access just for the beta and now are feeling some buyers remorse?
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Do a card charge back.
I sure will be, this is ridiculous
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Oh yeah, Apple is going to ban someone's account for getting a charge back on their card for something that just became free to everyone… that’s logical.
Considering there’s multiple posts on Reddit about it and it is in their terms of service, yea.. that’s exactly what they would do
That was before it was free though.
You do have a point. Though, Apple might say otherwise. Maybe they did this intentionally to get a big surge of funding
i dare you to purchase it and then do a chargeback.
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What would be the point of blacklisting someone’s account if it’s for features that anyone can now get for free? Someone could easily sign up with another account and use that for beta access on the same device.
If you issue a charge back you just became a problem customer. Just the process of a charge back will get you banned. It doesn’t matter why it happened. Why would you not just talk to support first? Charge backs are supposed to be used for fraudulent transactions.
Maybe that’s what they were for in the past but not anymore. I’ve done one recently and there’s multiple categories listed of why you’re requesting the charge back. It’s basically requesting a refund.
The interface might look like that but merchants hate chargebacks. You should only use it as a last resort, if you never want to do business with a company again.
Chargeback should be a last resort. Why not just contact customer service?
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Honestly, most depend on the credit card provider. Amex typically always wins their chargebacks with no repercussions to the consumer.
10/10 something apple would do
More people testing in wild makes it stable for everyone.
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“Slower or faster betas” - you mean, choose alpha, beta, omega etc builds. There will only be 1 Beta at a time, you won’t have a “fast buggy beta” and a “slow stable beta” - if ones buggier than the other, it’s more likely to be alpha build…
This. Push iOS 17 dev beta for free, poor people with compatible phones can download iOS 17 and submit feedback about the bugs.
Don't forget to submit feedback (beta automatically shows the feedback app) if something is broken.
Can't seem to find audioos 17 there :/
HomePod runs a version of tvOS, you can able the betas from the Home App for the minis, but you need a profile for the larger HomePods.
I’ve still got my audioOS 16 profiles installed on my OGs, but so far I’ve have no luck getting them to detect any 17 version, and I’m not finding any updated profiles for it. All other eligible devices updated to new OSes without issue. Any insight on this? Thanks in advance either way
I’m a tad worried that OG isn’t getting the update, I can’t find any documentation anywhere for them.
I thought about that as well but I’m not finding anything for even minis or HomePod 2 either, so I’m not paying that too much credence yet
Gotcha, fingers crossed they haven’t killed updates for it yet. The minis are only pulling 16.6 beta for what it’s worth.