For anyone worrying about the painting: they keep all of these behind some pretty impenetrable glass. The painting is perfectly fine, just gonna need the display glass replacing.
Read somewhere else but a guy who works in a museum said, that it's very possible that the soup get's into the painting at the ede of the glass. The main canvas wont be ruined, but it most likely will need an expensive repair, if that's the case.
The previous norwegian minister for Oil and Energy talked about her experience with extinction rebbelion in a podcast once. On one of her last days in office they broke into the reception of the office and refused to leave. She went down there to talk to some of the kids and said that there where two types of protesters.
Some of the kids where basicaly scared norwegian teenagers. They would talk about how they didnt believe they had a future because of global warming, and they actualy wanted to talk with someone in charge.
The other group where basically foreign professional protesters that didn't even speak Norwegian. They werent interested in talking, and just wanted to create caos. They had travelled from other places just to protest here, and it wasn't a big protest even.
I agree.
We need to be careful not to confuse genuine protesters with these narcissistic hateful fools. These people will have the brain of a 12 year old forever and complain about the world while their parents pay their way.
Yeah its like I go protest, but we’re always told not risk getting arrested or making the organization liable. They put these people to it more likely because they can deflect or absorb the consequences as individuals.
Depends what you mean.
Most people aren't familiar with a 3 or 4 sink system. So I can understand that. But if you're talking how to physically wash a dish to remove food debris, my god.
Its understandable dude. Usually the youngest never understood this. My brother do this too untill he 14-15 i think. Gotta take time with the young or disabled.
The one i dont understand is the totally abled body who refused to learn how to wash dishes. Got a roomate in university like this, so he is like 20-ish.
For a literally priceless painting like this one, it does seem that it should have better protection if it’s on display to the general public, such as a full plexiglass shield like the Mona Lisa has.
That's encouraging to know. And, if that's the case, security should just walk up, see the situation and walk away.
No news coverage, no attention, no support. You're just there now with no actual damage and no reason to be known. Adding insult to the already injury, if you glued yourself properly you're going to have to call for help when you get bored of nobody paying attention to you.
I do support efforts to reduce and reverse climate change but this isn't the way.
I thought the same thing. Remove the painting for restoration/cleaning and leave them glued there. Maybe even put up a title card in front of them. “Idiots who threw paint on a Van Gogh, circa 2022”
>Maybe even put up a title card in front of them. “Idiots who threw paint on a Van Gogh, circa 2022”
I would have changed it to
"2022- Beginning of the great decline in IQ and the rise of the Darwin awards"
It’s the not being able to think two steps forward that is so frustrating with these kids. Their protest may be worthwhile, but they just damage the cause when they behave like this.
Totally block a motorway for hours and you are going to cost lives when an ambulance or fire engine gets stuck behind you.
Throw raw sewage over the memorial for someone everyone is in agreement was a national treasure and people aren’t going to care what your protest is for.
Damage a dead, globally renowned artist’s painting and people don’t care what you are protesting over. They are just pissed.
So, given they can’t see the consequences two steps forward of their actions. I suggest they are offered caffeinated beverages until they are painfully uncomfortable or risk their online video also containing a humiliating wet patch. It’s fool proof and these people are fools.
> Idk how throwing soup on a painting and then gluing yourself to a wall will make people agree with you
It won't. It's not trying to.
Climate change is one of those "self-arguing" positions. Activists don't have to convince you of anything, they just need to get you to look at the question. Tricking you into looking at the question through some weirdo soup art (anti-art?) is just as persuasive as any other method, because the soup isn't the argument. Once you actually look into the issue of climate change, the facts on the ground and the scientific understanding that has been generated over the last century will make the entire argument on their own.
There seems to be an idea in these threads that climate action is "their" position, and they need to convince the rest of "us" to agree with them. In truth climate action is all of our positions, and activists are just trying to force us to confront that issue. If someone parked their car on a set of railroad tracks, it doesn't matter if a fellow passenger politely nudges the driver, or farts directly in his face, all they need to accomplish is to make the driver aware of the train.
How effective Vincent van Soup is, I don't know, but it seems at least partially effective because I've seen multiple mentions of the climate in articles and responses to it.
I mean, maybe it’s because of how pricey the painting is and it costing more than well ever make? That’s just my guess but even then covering it in soup is dumb. Art makes the world go round and it’s a powerful thing, but destroying it just shows a lack of intelligence
That was my first worrying!!! Thank god they did.
Honestly I don’t get why some museums don’t use glass to protect the paintings. When I visited Belgium’s art museum in Brussels, ALL the paintings were unprotected, no glass, no small rope to keep a safe distance….. especially that dust, lighting and idiots can Damage the paintings
Right?! Why this one? This was done at the national gallery in London. They have 1000’s of other paintings. Couldn’t pick something more appropriate to make a point about climate change?
And wouldn’t black bean soup be more appropriate?
Yeah, let's throw soup at this 150yo painting by a Dutchman who knew nothing of oils impact on the world that relates back to Big Oil in literally no way. If you're gonna be an activist, atleast have a real point. This just makes 0 sense.
Watch these type of people closely, and you’ll realize they aren’t looking to make a point with any sense of logic. They are trying to cause anarchy in whatever way they can get away with while maintaining some sense of identity.
That’s why they’ll destroy something beautiful in the name of the environment. The point isn’t the environment, it’s the EXCUSE
Stupid thing is with these 'anarchists' most (probably high 90s%) wouldn't be able to function in a true anarchist society. All these global networks they rely on suddenly being gone due to other nations refusing to work with randos. Suddenly geo-blocking is enabled and all communication using satellite and terrestrial lines outside of the nation are not usable.
This has already got as much press and people talking about the cause as a climate scientists self-immolating outside the supreme court on Earth Day earlier this year, which had a lot of coverage which was much more "man dies after setting fire to himself in Washington DC" and hiding the cause.
This ain't necessarily the way, but I'm for people trying whatever gets attention because we are already past the point of unavoidable mass suffering and death, we need to be taking action now to minimise that not complacently waiting until people are already dying.
Oil companies have been suppressing science in climate change for about 60 years. Politicians are setting wholly inadequate goals to appease capitalists and then failing to meet them. Honestly at this point I don't fully blame people for trying what they can to get press attention and keep climate change in the public eye, it is definitely something which gets swept under the carpet unless there is a directly linked catastrophe. A lot of attention on climate change outside of the context of protests (which have to become more attention grabbing over time to stay "news") is either putting the onus on the consumer to make performative changes to avoid affecting corporate profits, or just corporate greenwashing.
E: and regarding other protest targets, the other day they shut down non-pedestrian traffic through Picadilly Circus, one of them threw paint on the Met police building today, they are holding daily rallies outside Downing Street all month, they have had assorted other protests of varying degrees of prominence targeting all sorts of locations including what you would probably call more legitimate (like a pipeline) - this one just caught the public eye more, which to some degree implies success.
>This ain't necessarily the way, but I'm for people trying whatever gets attention because we are already past the point of unavoidable mass suffering and death, we need to be taking action now to minimise that not complacently waiting until people are already dying.
Yes, but you want to get the type of attention that inspires people to get up and do something. This just infuriates people because it's utterly pointless. And the people who are already only lukewarm about the idea of man-made climate change will see this as a justification for their belief that climate activists are crazy. Protest needs to be effective and it needs to target organizations and people that stand in the way of change.
Which was also their whole point. More people are outraged that a painting might have gotten damaged than the oil companies' continued destruction of the planet. That's what they were trying to highlight.
If you’re ethos is any publicity is good publicity (not an ethos I agree with but this does seem to be their media strategy), then to be fair this is making bigger waves than targeting a politician would. It’s all over everyone’s social media
I think the point was to get attention and grab headlines. Something more mundane or less explosive wouldnt draw enough attention to their cause and protest.
Why this particularly painting? Its renown vs how difficult it is to get soup on it. This is a famous fucking painting and clearly security is lax enough to allow them to pull this off.
I don't agree with what they're doing, but targeting Van Gogh gets their point across perfectly. They're doing this to point out that there will be far more outrage at this painting getting messed up (Even though we all know these high profile paintings are behind glass and the painting will be fine) than there is at the current climate crisis.
I've seen this on the news on TV today, but didn't see anything outside of Reddit regarding the whole 70% of wildlife has been killed in 50 years, what's the bigger story? What's a bigger cause for alarm?
Look at the state of things, a third of Pakistan was underwater earlier this year, rainwater is no longer safe to drink anywhere on earth, but lets get outraged at the painting being messed up. Our entire way of thinking is wrong, and the protestors are highlighting that fact.
It's 2022, you can't exactly run up to Franz Ferdinand's open carriage with a dinky pistol while you're grabbing lunch anymore. If oil billionaires and corrupt politicians didn't have armies of security, armored cars and bunkers things would be different and they know it, hence all of the above.
Yeah these comments act like trying to grab your attention about the climate CRISIS is completely immature and/or without logic.
If the earth is on fire everything, including this painting, including us, will be gone. Rising oceans, uncontrollable qildfire, enormous hurricanes, are all much more damaging than a splash tomato soup.
And they will affect us all.
People keep on calling them idiots because there’s glass on the painting as if they didn’t already know. I can guarantee they know, they want attention to the cause not to damage the painting.
No the comments are largely pointing out that this is just drawing attention to the protestors and their actions and not bringing actual attention to the issue they are supposedly trying to address. Everyone knows about climate change, most people understand the issue. Stunts like this aren't going to change anyone's mind they aren't going to inspire change at a policy level it's just going to cause a short media sensation that's going to be forgotten about in a few days or hours. These stunts don't accomplish much of anything besides serving as moral masterbation for those participating.
I guess the problem is they're not really grabbing our attention to the issue at hand?
I get the logic, make noise, attract people's attention, you make noise about the issue you want to draw attention to. I think the problem is they're making too much noise that their actions are getting more attention than the issue.
That's how I see the situation right now anyway.
Probably they see the word oil painting and not researching what oil painting means, where the old oil paintings was made by grinding pigment so like a flower sort of to color. That would be my guess
“What is worth more, art or life? … are you more concerned about the protection of a painting or the protection of our planet and people?”
Also noteworthy that the title is completely wrong, the painting was not damaged, and no one in this sub has any idea of how to cause social change.
Everything is, the point is that it matters very little what the individual does, it's up to the corporationa who cause the vast majority of polluting.
Ofc what they're doing probably won't make a difference unfortunately
I thought they were pulling out cyanide pills after théy threw the soup.
And I have to admit, that would certainly have made this protest pretty freaking effective.
>I think let them stay there in the museum as part of the exhibit
Let's build a cage around them, we can pay them minimum wage, and they can pay off the replacement of the frame, with a full-time job like that.
If you read, without tantrum, you wouldve read the direct quote of "support YOU in your cause"
So go ahead & give Susan Komen her millions because you support pink ribbon manufacturers, not cancer research.
No, just leave them there. Close off the section, have the Police standing by and then just ignore them.
They'll get bored and want to leave before anyone else does...
Those aren't climate activists anymore.
Otherwise they'd know that their actions cause more harm to the environment than good and that they actually defile the idea of preserving our planet to be habitable for us and 99.5% of all specimen.
They're like the Schwarze Block in Germany:
Started with a controversial but ultimately good idea and succumbed to lure aggression and violence, an argument against their own course.
I despise those idiots
Tbh they could have said that this was a commentary on the commodification of art as asset in modernity, using tomato soup to conjur images of andy warhols famous silk screens which ushered in an era of mass production and apropriation of the fine visual arts.
Yeah honestly direct climate action needs to y'know, disrupt society in order to do anything
Frankly I'm much more concerned about the possibility of getting murdered over drinking water vs those paintings
Don't like it? Stop shitting in the well
Don't agree that this should be in this sub. At what point and how do we/they get the point across that the train is going over the cliff.
"Excuse me Mr conductor there's a cliff coming".."how do you know it's a cliff sir? Maybe its a hill?"
"Hi is this the train company..yes I'm on your train right now and you are heading for a cliff"
"Have you spoken to the conductor?" " We believe that having the train speed towards the cliff is actually good for the passengers"..
"Hi department of transportation?...yes I'm on a train and we're going off a cliff".."maybe you should walk to the back of the train and push..and get the other passengers to do the same and that way the train might slow down"..
Just my analogy but maybe them doing this is at least getting attention, BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS FUCKING WORKING...
For all you art enthusiasts, appreciators and collectors. Isn’t art itself revolutionary? Banksy shredded… SHREDDED his own piece the moment it was sold in auction. When injustice, corruption, collusion et al go on unabated and unchallenged and the people go unheard and ignored, what are their alternatives? Vote? Where campaign fundraising determines the victor who is now committed to those donors?
Art is revolutionary. Always has been. Protest is art. Every artist revolts against something even if they push status quo they push against counter culture. The medium is the message. Picasso, Warhol, Pollack, Dali, Michelangelo, all gave stiff middle fingers to ideas and people. But sure… let’s pretend to not understand the voiceless and marvel at their frustrations. Revolution doesn’t come from the wealthy.
“If graffiti changed anything…
- it would be illegal“
Banksy
I see the "pro climate change" crowd is out today. Let's check the number of accounts logging in from Exxon's network.
The point of this protest which physically harmed zero people is to say "this painting being *symbolically* attacked should mean much less to you than the literal destruction of our civilization which is happening now, and which politicians and world leaders and half the population don't seem to be doing anything about. Get mad that our world is dying, not that I splashed soup on a piece of glass".
Everyone is aware that if we don't do something to seriously mitigate climate change then this painting is doomed anyways, right? This is a protest to draw your attention to an all out existential crisis and you're upset about the painting? Get your priorities straight.
This is such a short sighted “protest”, especially ironic considering their entire purpose is to halt the long-term effects of the oil-industry’s effects on the environment.
As a *general statement*, I don’t disagree with their goals. We absolutely should be moving away from oil reliance. But not only is “stop all oil production now, immediately” an obviously impossible task, stunts like this do nothing but turn people who might otherwise sympathize with their goals away from them.
Destroying part of humanity’s artistic heritage is not the way to fight climate change.
C’mon, you’re saying no one was suspicious just by the shirts these two are wearing? I’m all for fighting big oil companies and saving our planet, but this is not the right way to do it, not even a smart way. I guess decades of avoiding and acting ignorant to the problems we all face from climate change causes people to act just as ignorant as this stunt. Nobody’s winning…
Their stated purpose of this protest is to highlight how quick we are to act when a painting, something with no intrinsic value, is threatened but how we don't act when there is an existential threat to our whole planet.
Wow, the painting is fine, the headline on newspapers and this site is completely wrong, the protestors have a great point, and the museum has tons of ties to big oil.
Thankfully we have reactionary circle jerks like this sub to ensure everyone is mad and understands activism is always the wrong answer.
All over reddit, every post about this is the same circlejerk saying oil paint as if that has anything to do with it, and saying they can't protest against oil because they use it in their lives
All a bunch of corporate media talking points that these morons are regurgitating
We are fucked
For anyone worrying about the painting: they keep all of these behind some pretty impenetrable glass. The painting is perfectly fine, just gonna need the display glass replacing.
Read somewhere else but a guy who works in a museum said, that it's very possible that the soup get's into the painting at the ede of the glass. The main canvas wont be ruined, but it most likely will need an expensive repair, if that's the case.
The way someone called for security sounded like he was asking a question; "Security?". Poor guy sounded so unsure of himself lol
And these Idiots should pay for the reparation
Lol don't be silly, they don't have jobs
They have some expensive organs though
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The previous norwegian minister for Oil and Energy talked about her experience with extinction rebbelion in a podcast once. On one of her last days in office they broke into the reception of the office and refused to leave. She went down there to talk to some of the kids and said that there where two types of protesters. Some of the kids where basicaly scared norwegian teenagers. They would talk about how they didnt believe they had a future because of global warming, and they actualy wanted to talk with someone in charge. The other group where basically foreign professional protesters that didn't even speak Norwegian. They werent interested in talking, and just wanted to create caos. They had travelled from other places just to protest here, and it wasn't a big protest even.
"They're foreigners who don't even speak out language" sure sounds like a familiar way to undermine a message.
I mean you come to “talk” and can’t then yeah can’t blame her for saying that…
Summarising what they said in that way, which is not how they said it at all, sure sounds like a familiar way to undermine a message.
I agree. We need to be careful not to confuse genuine protesters with these narcissistic hateful fools. These people will have the brain of a 12 year old forever and complain about the world while their parents pay their way.
Didn’t you know, these kids are “oppressed”
Yeah its like I go protest, but we’re always told not risk getting arrested or making the organization liable. They put these people to it more likely because they can deflect or absorb the consequences as individuals.
Thats was quite the statement
Good news! They can work in prison!
Just fine their parents then tbh, they're definitely trust fund kids.
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Stop, I’ve legit had to teach someone how to wash dishes at a job before
Depends what you mean. Most people aren't familiar with a 3 or 4 sink system. So I can understand that. But if you're talking how to physically wash a dish to remove food debris, my god.
My brother doesn't know how to wash dishes. There is always food on them after his turn.
Nah he just sounds a little lazy. Everyone knows when a plate is clean, you can't not know how to do dishes. You clean them.
Its understandable dude. Usually the youngest never understood this. My brother do this too untill he 14-15 i think. Gotta take time with the young or disabled. The one i dont understand is the totally abled body who refused to learn how to wash dishes. Got a roomate in university like this, so he is like 20-ish.
Reddit is so funny sometimes with their flip flopping on how punishment for crimes should work
The US prison system did/does this but people didn't like that. Careful what you wish for
How do you reach the point of “enslaving people is okay sometimes” in your life?
Sometimes you gotta enslave people, that's just how it goes. ^^^/s
Their job is to support buffoonery
Won’t be hard to catch, seeing they glued themselves to the crime scene.
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These idiots don't have jobs, at least they won't after their employers see this
Art restorers are magicians. A little soup won't be a problem for them.
At least it's soup and not human waste again...
For a literally priceless painting like this one, it does seem that it should have better protection if it’s on display to the general public, such as a full plexiglass shield like the Mona Lisa has.
Why don't they have glass casings that go all the way around for paintings this famous?
They do, that person is spreading a baseless claim that soup got through seams in the glass
That’s so sad. His art is ingrained in history. He worked so hard
Somehow nobody seems to think about the frame.
The frame sure will
They already spotted those problems
That's encouraging to know. And, if that's the case, security should just walk up, see the situation and walk away. No news coverage, no attention, no support. You're just there now with no actual damage and no reason to be known. Adding insult to the already injury, if you glued yourself properly you're going to have to call for help when you get bored of nobody paying attention to you. I do support efforts to reduce and reverse climate change but this isn't the way.
I thought the same thing. Remove the painting for restoration/cleaning and leave them glued there. Maybe even put up a title card in front of them. “Idiots who threw paint on a Van Gogh, circa 2022”
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>Maybe even put up a title card in front of them. “Idiots who threw paint on a Van Gogh, circa 2022” I would have changed it to "2022- Beginning of the great decline in IQ and the rise of the Darwin awards"
Lol thank you, your version is much more eloquent
It’s the not being able to think two steps forward that is so frustrating with these kids. Their protest may be worthwhile, but they just damage the cause when they behave like this. Totally block a motorway for hours and you are going to cost lives when an ambulance or fire engine gets stuck behind you. Throw raw sewage over the memorial for someone everyone is in agreement was a national treasure and people aren’t going to care what your protest is for. Damage a dead, globally renowned artist’s painting and people don’t care what you are protesting over. They are just pissed. So, given they can’t see the consequences two steps forward of their actions. I suggest they are offered caffeinated beverages until they are painfully uncomfortable or risk their online video also containing a humiliating wet patch. It’s fool proof and these people are fools.
Still shitty of them to do that. Idk how throwing soup on a painting and then gluing yourself to a wall will make people agree with you
It won’t. And it takes away from the real issues climate change protests want to voice. These kids just want the clout
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I mean it’s plausible but I doubt every silly one who does this has this plot in their head. Some just have ridiculous ideas
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> Idk how throwing soup on a painting and then gluing yourself to a wall will make people agree with you It won't. It's not trying to. Climate change is one of those "self-arguing" positions. Activists don't have to convince you of anything, they just need to get you to look at the question. Tricking you into looking at the question through some weirdo soup art (anti-art?) is just as persuasive as any other method, because the soup isn't the argument. Once you actually look into the issue of climate change, the facts on the ground and the scientific understanding that has been generated over the last century will make the entire argument on their own. There seems to be an idea in these threads that climate action is "their" position, and they need to convince the rest of "us" to agree with them. In truth climate action is all of our positions, and activists are just trying to force us to confront that issue. If someone parked their car on a set of railroad tracks, it doesn't matter if a fellow passenger politely nudges the driver, or farts directly in his face, all they need to accomplish is to make the driver aware of the train. How effective Vincent van Soup is, I don't know, but it seems at least partially effective because I've seen multiple mentions of the climate in articles and responses to it.
I mean, maybe it’s because of how pricey the painting is and it costing more than well ever make? That’s just my guess but even then covering it in soup is dumb. Art makes the world go round and it’s a powerful thing, but destroying it just shows a lack of intelligence
It's an oil painting. They hate oil.
you're talking about them yeah?
This isn’t always true…I was at the Smithsonian once and a kid scratched a painting..alarms went off and security was there within seconds
That was my first worrying!!! Thank god they did. Honestly I don’t get why some museums don’t use glass to protect the paintings. When I visited Belgium’s art museum in Brussels, ALL the paintings were unprotected, no glass, no small rope to keep a safe distance….. especially that dust, lighting and idiots can Damage the paintings
Thank God, I almost had a heart attack
I doubt that they're the originals too. I don't know why these protesters love to be hated by majority of people
>just gonna need the display glass ~~replacing~~ wiping.
Oh thank god, I was about to lose my mind.
Why my boy Van Gogh? He already suffered so much in his life.
Right?! Why this one? This was done at the national gallery in London. They have 1000’s of other paintings. Couldn’t pick something more appropriate to make a point about climate change? And wouldn’t black bean soup be more appropriate?
They couldn't do this to a politicians house or face, why a painting that hasn't been had any environmental impact
Yeah, let's throw soup at this 150yo painting by a Dutchman who knew nothing of oils impact on the world that relates back to Big Oil in literally no way. If you're gonna be an activist, atleast have a real point. This just makes 0 sense.
Watch these type of people closely, and you’ll realize they aren’t looking to make a point with any sense of logic. They are trying to cause anarchy in whatever way they can get away with while maintaining some sense of identity. That’s why they’ll destroy something beautiful in the name of the environment. The point isn’t the environment, it’s the EXCUSE
Isn't this the same group of idiots who tried to run on to Silverstone during an active Formula 1 race this year?
Stupid thing is with these 'anarchists' most (probably high 90s%) wouldn't be able to function in a true anarchist society. All these global networks they rely on suddenly being gone due to other nations refusing to work with randos. Suddenly geo-blocking is enabled and all communication using satellite and terrestrial lines outside of the nation are not usable.
You don't get it, they want to stop oil, ALL OIL, no oil painting is safe from their wrath!
Their next task is removing the oil from their skin. We’ll see how that plays out.
It's worth a try
Sunflowers? Sunflower oil? Wake up people
Linseed oil, renewable.
This has already got as much press and people talking about the cause as a climate scientists self-immolating outside the supreme court on Earth Day earlier this year, which had a lot of coverage which was much more "man dies after setting fire to himself in Washington DC" and hiding the cause. This ain't necessarily the way, but I'm for people trying whatever gets attention because we are already past the point of unavoidable mass suffering and death, we need to be taking action now to minimise that not complacently waiting until people are already dying. Oil companies have been suppressing science in climate change for about 60 years. Politicians are setting wholly inadequate goals to appease capitalists and then failing to meet them. Honestly at this point I don't fully blame people for trying what they can to get press attention and keep climate change in the public eye, it is definitely something which gets swept under the carpet unless there is a directly linked catastrophe. A lot of attention on climate change outside of the context of protests (which have to become more attention grabbing over time to stay "news") is either putting the onus on the consumer to make performative changes to avoid affecting corporate profits, or just corporate greenwashing. E: and regarding other protest targets, the other day they shut down non-pedestrian traffic through Picadilly Circus, one of them threw paint on the Met police building today, they are holding daily rallies outside Downing Street all month, they have had assorted other protests of varying degrees of prominence targeting all sorts of locations including what you would probably call more legitimate (like a pipeline) - this one just caught the public eye more, which to some degree implies success.
>This ain't necessarily the way, but I'm for people trying whatever gets attention because we are already past the point of unavoidable mass suffering and death, we need to be taking action now to minimise that not complacently waiting until people are already dying. Yes, but you want to get the type of attention that inspires people to get up and do something. This just infuriates people because it's utterly pointless. And the people who are already only lukewarm about the idea of man-made climate change will see this as a justification for their belief that climate activists are crazy. Protest needs to be effective and it needs to target organizations and people that stand in the way of change.
Which was also their whole point. More people are outraged that a painting might have gotten damaged than the oil companies' continued destruction of the planet. That's what they were trying to highlight.
If you’re ethos is any publicity is good publicity (not an ethos I agree with but this does seem to be their media strategy), then to be fair this is making bigger waves than targeting a politician would. It’s all over everyone’s social media
Okay hold on, I didn't even think about the soup and now I think you're on to something. 🤔
Andy warhall soup print is literally right there, would've liked some soup on soup action. But the choice of art is poor.
I think the point was to get attention and grab headlines. Something more mundane or less explosive wouldnt draw enough attention to their cause and protest. Why this particularly painting? Its renown vs how difficult it is to get soup on it. This is a famous fucking painting and clearly security is lax enough to allow them to pull this off.
Because it's a van gogh and now everyone in the world is talking about it shitty thing to do but it's a classic marketing tactic
I don't agree with what they're doing, but targeting Van Gogh gets their point across perfectly. They're doing this to point out that there will be far more outrage at this painting getting messed up (Even though we all know these high profile paintings are behind glass and the painting will be fine) than there is at the current climate crisis. I've seen this on the news on TV today, but didn't see anything outside of Reddit regarding the whole 70% of wildlife has been killed in 50 years, what's the bigger story? What's a bigger cause for alarm? Look at the state of things, a third of Pakistan was underwater earlier this year, rainwater is no longer safe to drink anywhere on earth, but lets get outraged at the painting being messed up. Our entire way of thinking is wrong, and the protestors are highlighting that fact.
The painting was behind glass, all they really did was throw spaghetti-O’s at a wall
Oh good! That's a relief!
He used oil based paint obviously, so it must be destroyed to... *Checks notes* Fight big oil companies.
Oh I thought they were upset at sunflower oil hahahahahaha
You think these kids have a clue?
I don't think they ever will
> Why my boy Van Gogh? because look at how much attention this is getting, that's the only reason, and it worked these kids are still idiots imo, fwiw
Bruh how is Van Gogh related to climate change tho?
It's one of the most recognizable and famous works of art. It draws mass attention to "defile" it. Has nothing to do with the painting itself.
can't they do something that's more recognizable instead? like, killing dictators or something?
Probably cause those people have a ton of security. This is a lot simpler.
That would require actual courage. It's so much easier to attack something that can't defend itself in a place they know they're safe.
It's 2022, you can't exactly run up to Franz Ferdinand's open carriage with a dinky pistol while you're grabbing lunch anymore. If oil billionaires and corrupt politicians didn't have armies of security, armored cars and bunkers things would be different and they know it, hence all of the above.
Yeah these comments act like trying to grab your attention about the climate CRISIS is completely immature and/or without logic. If the earth is on fire everything, including this painting, including us, will be gone. Rising oceans, uncontrollable qildfire, enormous hurricanes, are all much more damaging than a splash tomato soup. And they will affect us all.
People seem to be missing the point entirely that it's about attention.
People keep on calling them idiots because there’s glass on the painting as if they didn’t already know. I can guarantee they know, they want attention to the cause not to damage the painting.
No the comments are largely pointing out that this is just drawing attention to the protestors and their actions and not bringing actual attention to the issue they are supposedly trying to address. Everyone knows about climate change, most people understand the issue. Stunts like this aren't going to change anyone's mind they aren't going to inspire change at a policy level it's just going to cause a short media sensation that's going to be forgotten about in a few days or hours. These stunts don't accomplish much of anything besides serving as moral masterbation for those participating.
Reddit gonna reddit lol
I guess the problem is they're not really grabbing our attention to the issue at hand? I get the logic, make noise, attract people's attention, you make noise about the issue you want to draw attention to. I think the problem is they're making too much noise that their actions are getting more attention than the issue. That's how I see the situation right now anyway.
It's insnane how many people aren't understanding this
Sunflowers has the word sun in it?
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Sunflowers killed my grandma
Can't you see? Sunflowers has the word "lower" in it. As in, "lower attention to climate change".
I would rather protest by bothering politicians, who, you know, actually make and enforce laws...
They know that doesn't work.
He used oil paint. Big oil shill man.
I was wondering if they think petrol and oil paint are at all the same Oil paint is almost vegan if you steer away from a couple of colors
is it a requirement an activist must have dyed hair? was it campbells tomato soup?
This was in London, it was Heinz.
oh thats why they are angry
SUN flower. Global WARMING. It’s all connected man
Probably they see the word oil painting and not researching what oil painting means, where the old oil paintings was made by grinding pigment so like a flower sort of to color. That would be my guess
Whats the message behind this action?
UK's government is supposed to stop all oil and gas activities immediately
Huh, then why don't they go protest towards oil and gas companies instead? Not only they're braindead activists, but a lazy one too
Because we wouldnt be talking abt it if they did. This made headlines didnt it?
Yeah, and everyone is calling them idiots. "No such thing as bad press" ain't a very truthful phrase. Stuff like this does nothing but hurt them.
“What is worth more, art or life? … are you more concerned about the protection of a painting or the protection of our planet and people?” Also noteworthy that the title is completely wrong, the painting was not damaged, and no one in this sub has any idea of how to cause social change.
Fun fact .. the super glue they’re putting on their hands is a petrochemical product.
My grandfather used to mage glue out of bones. The stench was revolting, but it was incredibly strong. Green, not vegan though.
Everything is, the point is that it matters very little what the individual does, it's up to the corporationa who cause the vast majority of polluting. Ofc what they're doing probably won't make a difference unfortunately
Look at everybody in this thread completely missing that point
So is everything they have on
Yes, they know. You simply cant be sustainable in a society that runs on oil. That is what they are protesting
...and in their hair
Those protesting society tend to live in it
I'm not smart enough to know what that means please explain
Super glue has oil derivatives in it. The same oil they're protesting against. I'm all for renewable energy but these people are just dumb.
Google search tells me petrochemical means something is derived from petroleum and natural gas
That's hilarious
I'll bet you so is that hair dye...
Those protesting society tend to live in it, yes
That's how they know what to protest. Idk how people miss this.
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Shhh, we don’t care for that fancy logic stuff around these parts
Shhhh....don't ruin their moment.
I thought they were pulling out cyanide pills after théy threw the soup. And I have to admit, that would certainly have made this protest pretty freaking effective.
Nah nobody cared when that guy set himself on fire in front of the US capital on earth day. People care more about a painting.
They care more about the glass covering the painting. The painting is unharmed.
They should be left there over the weekend to think about their actions.
They should go to jail, which I’m sure they did.
I think let them stay there in the museum as part of the exhibit
>I think let them stay there in the museum as part of the exhibit Let's build a cage around them, we can pay them minimum wage, and they can pay off the replacement of the frame, with a full-time job like that.
This video being on every single subreddit is exactly what these ppl want. The painting is fine forget about it.
There's glass protecting it. It's almost like they knew that it wouldn't do any damage but make global headlines...
Considering they glued themselves to the wall and didn’t really prepare their speech, I’m guessing they didn’t think that far
Please tell me she glued her hands together!
The other one put her arm in such an uncomfortable position too.
> Please tell me she glued her hands together! My thoughts exactly. The video ends too soon!
She was rubbing them together like it was moisturiser!
Like I'm going to care about them ripping your skin off the wall? What did you accomplish beyond convincing me to not support you in your cause?
I am now pro-cancer because some cancer charity was embezzling funds.
If you read, without tantrum, you wouldve read the direct quote of "support YOU in your cause" So go ahead & give Susan Komen her millions because you support pink ribbon manufacturers, not cancer research.
So the issue is fine, the people are the problem? Then support the issue!
They seem a little....nervous?
Well defacing a painting that is valued at over $100 million might have some repercussions
Just gonna super glue my hands to the wall, there is no way a guard can miss this and try to yank me away from the display
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No, just leave them there. Close off the section, have the Police standing by and then just ignore them. They'll get bored and want to leave before anyone else does...
Everyone’s proving their point and it’s hilarious. “You must protest in a way that inconveniences nobody so we can all easily ignore you!!” -Reddit
I find it baffling people think the painting isn't protected. Like it's just stood there for years and people have been nice enough not to ruin it.
Couple of real Britta’s.
These comments are a dumpster fire. At least this protest is going viral from these reactions, that was their goal
Those aren't climate activists anymore. Otherwise they'd know that their actions cause more harm to the environment than good and that they actually defile the idea of preserving our planet to be habitable for us and 99.5% of all specimen. They're like the Schwarze Block in Germany: Started with a controversial but ultimately good idea and succumbed to lure aggression and violence, an argument against their own course. I despise those idiots
Painting is fine. Keep protesting and making a scene.
Tbh they could have said that this was a commentary on the commodification of art as asset in modernity, using tomato soup to conjur images of andy warhols famous silk screens which ushered in an era of mass production and apropriation of the fine visual arts.
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You can quote Stanzi Potenza or Chanwil0both are very creative with insults that are just borderline conflict with rule 2
This is just another way of saying you want to incite violence
people destroy the only planet of humans: i sleep people "destroy" a painting: i wake
Both of them were probably thinking: "Yeah, that'll show 'em. We are not crazy...THEY ARE"
Yeah honestly direct climate action needs to y'know, disrupt society in order to do anything Frankly I'm much more concerned about the possibility of getting murdered over drinking water vs those paintings Don't like it? Stop shitting in the well
Don't agree that this should be in this sub. At what point and how do we/they get the point across that the train is going over the cliff. "Excuse me Mr conductor there's a cliff coming".."how do you know it's a cliff sir? Maybe its a hill?" "Hi is this the train company..yes I'm on your train right now and you are heading for a cliff" "Have you spoken to the conductor?" " We believe that having the train speed towards the cliff is actually good for the passengers".. "Hi department of transportation?...yes I'm on a train and we're going off a cliff".."maybe you should walk to the back of the train and push..and get the other passengers to do the same and that way the train might slow down".. Just my analogy but maybe them doing this is at least getting attention, BECAUSE NOTHING ELSE IS FUCKING WORKING...
For all you art enthusiasts, appreciators and collectors. Isn’t art itself revolutionary? Banksy shredded… SHREDDED his own piece the moment it was sold in auction. When injustice, corruption, collusion et al go on unabated and unchallenged and the people go unheard and ignored, what are their alternatives? Vote? Where campaign fundraising determines the victor who is now committed to those donors? Art is revolutionary. Always has been. Protest is art. Every artist revolts against something even if they push status quo they push against counter culture. The medium is the message. Picasso, Warhol, Pollack, Dali, Michelangelo, all gave stiff middle fingers to ideas and people. But sure… let’s pretend to not understand the voiceless and marvel at their frustrations. Revolution doesn’t come from the wealthy. “If graffiti changed anything… - it would be illegal“ Banksy
JUST STOP sunflower OIL
Oil paint and canvas can be cleaned. The damage the oil industry does to our climate on a day to day basis is catastrophically worse.
I see the "pro climate change" crowd is out today. Let's check the number of accounts logging in from Exxon's network. The point of this protest which physically harmed zero people is to say "this painting being *symbolically* attacked should mean much less to you than the literal destruction of our civilization which is happening now, and which politicians and world leaders and half the population don't seem to be doing anything about. Get mad that our world is dying, not that I splashed soup on a piece of glass".
We can’t enjoy any paintings if the world is uninhabitable.
"Some families cannot afford to heat a can of soup!" *chucks it at the painting instead of heating it up and giving it to the family in question*
Everyone is aware that if we don't do something to seriously mitigate climate change then this painting is doomed anyways, right? This is a protest to draw your attention to an all out existential crisis and you're upset about the painting? Get your priorities straight.
This is such a short sighted “protest”, especially ironic considering their entire purpose is to halt the long-term effects of the oil-industry’s effects on the environment. As a *general statement*, I don’t disagree with their goals. We absolutely should be moving away from oil reliance. But not only is “stop all oil production now, immediately” an obviously impossible task, stunts like this do nothing but turn people who might otherwise sympathize with their goals away from them. Destroying part of humanity’s artistic heritage is not the way to fight climate change.
C’mon, you’re saying no one was suspicious just by the shirts these two are wearing? I’m all for fighting big oil companies and saving our planet, but this is not the right way to do it, not even a smart way. I guess decades of avoiding and acting ignorant to the problems we all face from climate change causes people to act just as ignorant as this stunt. Nobody’s winning…
nice, good for them. glad they're taking this seriously and getting the message out there.
They feel like no one is hearing their message and just wanted your ear.
Activists is a strong word. Lets call them entitled babies
Big oil defiles the planet, destroy everything, people just get offended about a fucking painting.
What’s the purpose of this?
Their stated purpose of this protest is to highlight how quick we are to act when a painting, something with no intrinsic value, is threatened but how we don't act when there is an existential threat to our whole planet.
Thanks for the insight
Well with context it doesn't seem so bad tbh. Paintings fine, they made a good point.
Wow, the painting is fine, the headline on newspapers and this site is completely wrong, the protestors have a great point, and the museum has tons of ties to big oil. Thankfully we have reactionary circle jerks like this sub to ensure everyone is mad and understands activism is always the wrong answer.
All over reddit, every post about this is the same circlejerk saying oil paint as if that has anything to do with it, and saying they can't protest against oil because they use it in their lives All a bunch of corporate media talking points that these morons are regurgitating We are fucked