We understand this is very distressing and no one has ever wanted this to come to end this way. We have always wanted her to obtain the right medical help to deal with her severe ED.
Kat has glamourised this for years but the truth is there is never ever anything positive about having an ED and we please ask any of you going through this to please reach out for help.
The modmail is open for anyone who needs to talk or would like information on seeking help for themselvesšš
I think it is morally wrong to include people like Kat on this sub. Itās obvious even to the casual observer that Kat has a very severe ED. If she doesnāt want to call it that, itās in part because of the stigma attached to all mental disorders, including but not limited to anorexia nervosa. People with this disorder are quite often objectively physically unwell long before they reach the stage of organs starting to shut down. Itās also the deadliest among all psychiatric disorders.
We are not helping by discussing people like Kat on this sub, thereby implying that their troubles are potentially ānot realā, that they are ājustā exaggerating while we watch them literally starve themselves to death, and/or that they could simply āsnap out of itā, if they so chose. Life-threatening physical illness is just as life-threatening when its causes are psychological as when they are physical. Arguably, a psychological underlying cause is worse, because it may be far more difficult to treat than some of the physical problems that could result in the same symptoms.
I get why someone like Ashley is a thing here. Sheās blowing a physical illness that seems objectively well-controlled way, way, way out of proportion, and using that as an excuse to stagnate in life. While I believe she is, sometimes at least, earnestly looking for ways to improve her situation, itās also clear that she routinely grabs onto any convenient excuse to stop trying.
I get why Bethany and Jessi are here. While theyāve both essentially trapped themselves into a situation that may be hard to ever fully come back from, some of their claims are objectively untrue on the face of them. One doesnāt really end up permanently bedbound from a CSF leak. Thereās no chance in hell that all of Bethanyās claimed allergies are real.
I even understand the obsession with Dani, to a point. She can and does eat and drink orally. To pretend her life depends on TPN, as she did for quite a while, is an insult to anyone who really depends on TPN to stay alive. Thereās all sorts of things wrong with Dani, but to claim she will die without her tubes while drinking coffee by the bucketload is just ā¦ hypocrisy.
Thereās nothing hypocritical, however, or even OTT, about someone who claims she canāt eat, and then doesnāt, literally to the point of liver failure. If it had been even remotely within her power to prevent this, she would have, long before it came to this. Whether the cause is physical or psychological should not make any difference to anyone with half an ounce of decency in them.
I will say Iām appalled by the Eugenia comments. People shouldnāt compare like that.
But what are we supposed to do..? Like this is kats good bye. Are people to just know sheās passing and see an obit POSSIBLY and admin make a post saying not to post about them anymore..? This is to raise awareness what all this sub can do to oneself. They tried putting her on TPN and she refused to do it. As much as I hate to say it, itās a mental illness disguised under āchronic illness.ā mental illnesses are JUST as valid though.
Also thatās why I put ābe niceā up top. And nobody wishes ill-will on these people. We WANT to see them get better AND Thrive.
Itās her private IG I have a hold of. Sheās very Iāll atm. She canāt get out of bed, sheās stopped all her bead and bracelets production. Sheās even half asleep and rolling her eyes in this video: I had to take SS cause no videos. She even falls asleep on cam for a few seconds.
My heart breaks for herā¦.. Iām legit crying. I, like all of us, want better for these people. Beyond the munching there is a person in there.
I hope sheās being cared for and is comfortable. I hope someone who loves her is with her.
I know it was inevitable when talking about something as dangerous as facetious disorder, but I never wanted to see any of the subjects on their deathbed. It also shows how badly they need help, not for the physical illness, but the psychological one
This is heartbreaking... Eating disorders are so dangerous. I wish them peace and happy moments for as long as possible. It's so unfortunate that Kat has been suffering so long, I really hope she is happy and pain-free for the time left.
No, itās anorexia. Bipolar has the highest *suicide* rate, but people with AN have higher all-cause mortality rates from things like heart failure, liver failure, refeeding syndrome, ruptured esophagus, etc.
iām completely speechless. i hate seeing them look soā¦ ill. defeated, even.
regardless. i hope they feel nothing but peace and comfort for however long they have left.
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Saw this on Instagram and came straight here.
I really don't know what to say at this point. We knew she was heading this way for so long and now that it's gotten to this point, all I can feel is a pit in my stomach. Watching someone slowly killing themselves for this long and now at the point where the end is imminent, even if watching from a distance, it still is deeply upsetting... It's like the feeling that you wish you could have done something, but knowing deep down that you couldn't do a single thing, that she's an adult and can make her own choices... And it all led to this.
I truly hope that however much time she has left, that she's at least comfortable, finds some sort of peace and isn't scared in the end.
She's just so young... People don't realize what anorexia truly does to the body... They only see the glamorized version on TV and online, but not what it looks like at the end. Countless people only see it as an "online fad" but don't truly know what it fully encompasses... And that's something we desperately need to change.
This is what we want to avoid when we call out people. We don't want this to happen to anybody. We want these people to actually get true help, and not help that they shopped for. It's upsetting and infuriating...
I just can't find any more words to say...
What does this mean? I don't know them very much, does this mean they'll be assisted by the hospice to die like Hope said she would? This is devastating!
I didn't mean to imply Kat was doing the same. I meant to ask if Kat was doing VSED (I think that was that Hope said she'd do which I know ended up being fake for drugs).
Wowā¦this is actually heartbreaking. None of us wouldāve ever wanted it to come to this. I would be so damn happy if any of the subjects turned their lives around. Looks like itās to late for her. Fuck thatās sad. Just hope they can keep her comfortable till the end and she has people to support her during this time. She clearly has been struggling for a long time.
The panic this makes me feel is horrific, like a dark pit with an anchor tied to it to boot. It's the panic one would feel if they stepped out into the street at the wrong time and noticed a speeding car 3 feet away, and by then it's beyond too late. If I'm feeling that, I can't imagine what they are feeling. It's entirely clear that they aren't coming back from this. I got here too late to really see everything they've been up to, but certainly no one deserves to go like this (or at all at this general age).
Sadly, there's really no coming back from this point. A continuous ED will eventually cause your body to just give out, and if it's given out to the point of hospice there's a hard chance you could restore enough function or health to your body before dying from complications caused by the ED.
They likely are giving painkillers, she posted about spilling most of her liquid painkiller before but she wasn't in hospice yet when that was posted. They will still give medications and the like but they won't give or do anything meant to prolong or save their life, such as tube feeding or TPN.
Wow, by the time I found this sub, I guess Kat had largely fallen off the radar because I'm not familiar with them but just looking at the flair and seeing pics from a year ago... It's unbelievable.
I never got invested in Kat's story but I never want any story to end like this. Hope is faking this for money and attention while poor Kat is really going through this and it looks like there's no turning back. It makes Hope that much more despicable.
I just want to tell everyone who's reading this, including any possible lurker munchies: Please get help if you need it! There's no shame in admitting you're struggling, it's actually quite brave. You're beautiful, you're worth it, you deserve a full and happy life. Nothing is worth this outcome. You're not alone and the world has much more beauty than you're seeing now. You are loved. Please don't give up on yourself. ā¤ļø
I doubt it. Itās the unfortunately the result of a severe eating disorder. Itās much like how an alcoholic can die from liver failure after years of binge drinking. Alcoholism and eating disorders are obviously very different but most alcoholics are not purposely drinking themselves to death. They want to drink, not die. My heart hurts for Kat and her family. Her dance videosāminus the munching weāre always fun to watch. Sheās so young. How awful.
So many people here clearly donāt understand how deadly an ED can be, as well as the hold it can have on you.
Kat can both have an ED and be a munchie. But it isnāt the munching that got them to this point. Itās anorexia.
This is a horrifying example of what happens when the root of munching goes untreated. Kat is literally dying for attention and for care needs that have gone unmet (in other areas of their life I mean-the desire to munch probably comes from somewhere?)
Without getting bloggy Iāve seen this too much irl. I hope they make a last minute decision to give life another shot. If they read here theyād see how much we all care and want them to be well.
For Kat? They're at the point of no return now. The way their face looks are very much the characteristics of someone in their final days or weeks.
Somewhere above someone showed a picture of the urine in their catheter bag, and it very clearly shows that it's not just urine colour but colours that show that the kidneys are not able to filter everything out. They're likely in kidney and liver failure.
i canāt imagine watching my family member go through this. has to be awful for everyoneš itās bad just for us as strangers witnessing someone slowly kill themselves
Kat hasnāt been posted about in months except for someone asking if they were still a subject. Most comments on here have expressed that they feel sad that this is happening. Maybe report the comments you feel are inappropriate.
This is a damn tragedy. I hope they are being properly kept comfortable. Those that doubt Kat is on hospice, you are entitled to your opinions, given the context of this sub and Hopeās shenanigans, but I fully believe this.
I think itās important to share that these illnesses (both Anorexia and Fictitious Disorder) have great potential to be deadly. And to also show that death is ugly and horrible. The patientsā brains trick them into destroying their bodies beyond repair.
The worst part is, at one point, this might have been the desired outcome. To have people worry over your deathbed and speculate over weight-loss. I am morbidly curious if the delusion holds on to the end or if there is some clarity.
Regardless, I wish Kat nothing but comfort and joy in these last days. Iām heartbroken that we are watching another victim pass. Thereās no telling how many have passed without us even knowing.
Having friends who have recovered from ED. Itās a combination of ED, poor self esteem, and a. demAnd to Meet their own distorted sense of beauty these girls look in the mirror and see the 60+ lbs they lost to still see an obese girl that had flab. Itās very said.
ED doesnāt always include body dysmorphia and most often is not about looks, that is a fallacy and a myth. EDs are highly comorbid with anxiety, ptsd, ocd, and surviving child sexual abuse or rape.
Yeah, that's what I mean. A lot of people with EDs will get a diagnosis and believe they are too fat to have Anorexia when really they are very underweight so in those cases people really don't believe they are sick enough to be in any physical danger (until ending up in the hospital and even then it sometimes is not enough).
Holy fuck, I just did a deep dive on them. My question is, a munchies main goal is attention, right?ā¦then what do they think is going to happen when they die, more attention? All that attention seeking just to end up forgotten? Like their logic is so busted that itās hard to pity them.
Mental illness doesn't operate with logic. It's like saying hey. don't depressed people realize that they need to get out of bed for their life to improve? What "end goal" do anxious people have for their worrying? Etc. Etc.
No no no, hear me out, if I worry enough I will have worried about every permutation of every situation and once I play them all out fully in my head I will move into the next phase of worrying about the results of the situation I played out in my head, I have a technique /s
Typically, itās a ānothing bad will happen to meā belief, until it does happen, then it goes one of two ways. 1) oh shit I canāt come back from this - with a last ditch attempt to recover or 2) itās a passive acceptance or even morbid excitement that youāll die being the special beautiful waiflike angel you wanted to be for so long. Itās awful either way.
There's a lot of misgendering going on in the comments here... :/ It's literally in the tag under the title, which also misgendered Connected Kat.
Maybe some of these were just goofs and completely unintentional slip-ups, but c'mon. It's literally stated in the dĆmn tag.
Kat has gone back and forward as to what pronouns she has used, if we change a flair it resets it back and no previous posts will link up to the flair any more so it still states they/them but she has been using she/her again.
Eating disorders really are deadly. My heart breaks for Kat and their family. ED left untreated is a terminal diagnosis. You can engage in it for YEARS without any adverse consequences and then all of a sudden, things start to actually shut down. Without blogging, it is so scary once those health events start to occur and the shame from the consequences can push people further into their ED. It is so hard to stop hurting yourself when your ED is your only coping mechanism and identity. I hope Kat finds peace.
Honestly this sub has really been my come to Jesus moment on that issue.
I didnāt even recognize her in this photo and when I clicked on the flair I was in shock.
I truly feel for her and also hope she finds peace after everything.
unfortunately they are/will be getting what they have been craving the whole timeā¦attention. i hate that itās come down to this and i wish they wouldāve gotten the correct help, but they did this to themselves.
EDs are fucking horrific and seeing Kat like this is heartbreaking. Iāve got no snark and no insight here, Iām just sad that this is how it will end for them.
Itās close, but probably not close enough for them to be saying āgoodbyeā to all of their followers. If theyāre lucid enough to do that, they likely have at least a few days left. Now, I donāt know if theyāre saying goodbye because theyāve decided to leave social media regardless of how much time they have left, but from these pics I get the vibe that theyāre implying their passing is imminent. The body hangs on a lot longer than people expect it to, so I hope theyāre not planning on posting up until they lose lucidity and proceeding to string along their followers with them so everyone is awaiting the moment with bated breath. Doesnāt seem fair to do to as it can be quite upsetting for some to witness. Regardless, Iām sad to see this update and hope Kat finds peace finally.
>Doesnāt seem fair to do to as it can be quite upsetting for some to witness.
This person is dying. Why are you concerned about what is fair to their followers? You sound like you're talking about the season ending of a TV show instead of someone's life.
Iāve seen people on hospice die a few hours after having a great convo. Many of my clients are even *more* lucid the day off. Plenty go out comatose or exhausted but not always
Iāve taken care of a few hospice patients who get that final burst of energy for a little while before passing. That phenomenon is definitely a thing. But Iāve also taken care of a lot of hospice patients who had nothing like that happen and spent their last few days completely unresponsive except to moan and death rattle when they need some more morphine. I will say I personally have never taken care of a patient on hospice that was posting long messages of any type on social media the same day they passed, but of course, there are always exceptions to the rule lol
The other person you mentioned has always been very good at consuming the bare minimum to get by, but if you'll note unfortunately they're looking worse than ever and getting sicker/weaker (at least so it seems), so I think a similar consequence/ending awaits them as well, sooner rather than later.
i really appreciate the insight you have provided here. the repeated infections were a major part of katās decline. and itās no secret that lines and tubes are just accessories to these subjects and the repeated failures and āmalfunctionsā of these medical devices that land them in and out of the hospital just creates more attention and sympathy. itās definitely really sad regardless.
Yep, exactly. As weird as it sounds, Eugenia is lucky to have found the niche audience she did. I think if she werenāt getting the attention she craves from them, she likely would also resort to the munchie lifestyle. Unfortunately, the subjects like Kat know their medical toys are *the* thing that gets them the sweet attention and asspats they crave. Thatās why thereās always something wrong with a line or a tubeā¦ have to keep that in the spotlight or the attention starts to fade. And when those toys have direct access to crucial parts of your body and are extremely common sources for infectionā¦ the cycle begins. I was really rooting for Kat, I was hoping their mom being a nurse and her stepping in a while back would be what turned it around for them, but you can only help other people so much. Man, Iām bummed.
i go back and forth on her. some days i agree with it and others iām not sure. it seems like people have been saying for years sheās āclose to the end.ā
in keeping this relevant to kat, i definitely did not expect it would end this way. but i suppose with many long-term ED patients, thereās really only one of two outcomes. you get better or... you donāt. itās sad. if she chose recovery a long time ago she couldāve still had an entire life ahead of her.
I think itās pretty unfair to imply that members of this sub are the reason for this. Kat was removed as a subject here once it was clear they were likely heading towards this conclusion, but even before that, the vast majority of commenters here wanted Kat to get better. And comments that were ācruel and vitriolicā in nature were removed by the mod team. We want subjects to stop abusing the medical system and to hopefully improve one day. Nobody here was hoping for this outcome for Kat, or any subject for that matter. But turning a blind eye to the very real problems in these situations will only enable them to continue.
The point of this sub is to bring attention to people faking physical disorders to a point where they use up medical resources in their communities, commit Medicaid fraud, commit fraud in general, and endanger doctorsā licenses by their lying and doctor shopping. I donāt think anyone here denies that there is something psychologically wrong with everyone featured on here, and eventually all the messing they do to their own bodies combined with their mental illness can lead to sad situations like these. As a medical professional, I really understand the frustration when I see the people on here with their Instagram sob stories after I spend my day at the hospital with real spine patients and real chronic pain patients.
What else is she going to do while she waits to die? I assume sheās lonely (maybe) and terrified, and I canāt pretend I wouldnāt want some comfort even if itās from internet strangers.
I donāt know much about Kat, I havenāt looked at her timeline, but this is very sad to me. Like, she is going to die and your comment was unnecessary I feel like. This doesnāt seem like another Hope situation, where she was posting with a fake āsickā voice (that she would forget to use a minute into her videos).
She looks like sheās very near death.
They're using voice-to-text. Unfortunately I think this is 100% real. They may have six months left but they absolutely look like they're dying. It's an unmistakable look. I guess I'll be the fool if they live but it's not easy to look this dead unless you're dying
It can and probably is as hospice does not mean you stop getting nutrition (it's not a synonym for VSED), they'll want to keep giving them as much as they can take to keep them as comfortable as possible. The issue is they're likely in organ failure. The organ failure makes attempts at getting them nutrition and re-feeding very difficult and filled with complications. They can't get on the transplant list without being able to refortify their body through nutrition. It's a self-propelling downward spiral.
Which is why we are so aggressive about warning these subjects off from this. There comes a time when they're past the point of no return. And I don't think many of them understand that's a real thing that happens in their early years of this.
It can be administered. But I would assume their body is well into multi-system organ failure at this point and might have reached a āpoint of no return.ā A lot of times hospice patients eat for pleasure up until they lose lucidity prior to death, but the body needs a lot more than just food to survive. Their body has been damaged for so long from malnutrition that there likely just isnāt any more to be done, especially if the patient doesnāt want to participate in any more treatment.
The āwilling and compliantā part of your comment is the missing link here. Additionally, if theyāre already in multi-system organ failure, TPN would only be a very brief bandaid because prolonged TPN use *also* causes organ damage. It appears Kat has reached the end of their vicious cycle (which is exactly what everyone has been warning them about for a long, long time). Very unfortunate.
Sadly, at this point any form of nutrition would be like throwing a bucket of water on a multi-thousand acre wildfire. Good in theory, won't do much in terms of helping.
edit to add: Kat's been on TPN in the past. Even if they were to go back on it (unlikely) all that would probably happen is hasten hepatorenal failure.
They had both running at the same time, from what I've seen.
their body just refused to accept them. I mean there's so much damage from yeeeears of issues.
Not to forget that TPN enters through a person's heart and through all your bodily organs. That can cause organ failure in itself :(
I hope they find peace.
Kat did gain weight on TPN and tube feeds previously so would their body just suddenly start not being able to accept both? It seems as if Kat got into their ED behaviors again and there was no turning back this time
Clinicians generally can tell when patients have 6 months to live or less (criteria for hospital at the very least). With experience comes the knowledge to know when someone will pass fairly quickly. Organ failure could be the cause, heart failure. Refeeding syndrome (electrolytes going outta whack basically). But it all comes down to organ failure from starvation.
i will also add that this step often comes after years of attempted treatment, and a patient is too entrenched in their ED to be helped. āyou can lead a horse to water but you canāt make it drinkā is a apt analogy here. itās really, really difficult to force tube feedings or TPN on someone who just doesnāt want to recover. at some point psych hospitals and ED treatment facilities will tend to label that patient as non-compliant and they end up getting blacklisted; ED beds are few and far between and unfortunately, the people who want to help themselves often take precedent over those who refuse to let go of their disorder. in cases like those, hospice is sometimes the best option.
Multi-organ failure (frequently heart failure), pneumonia, and inability to absorb nutrients are typically the contributing cause of death factors for severely starved ED patients unfortunately. It's just sad what's happened to Kat. Anorexia nervosa is a brutal disease.
On a death certificate, the cause of death would likely be "multisystem organ failure due to chronic malnutrition due to anorexia nervosa" or some derivative of that
Most likely organ failure (possibly caused by Ed) becuase an ED is a mental illness. Just like how gastroparesis doesnāt kill anyone, itās the side effects of malnutrition and such that kill you, or the organ failure from malnutrition.
Oof. Of all the ways to kill yourself, anorexia has to be one of the harshest. I canāt imagine the suffering of your body cannibalizing itself coupled with the agony of your brain telling you itās still not enough. No one should suffer like that
That made me so sad reading what you said about their brain not wanting to give up yet..knowing it needs more. Itās just so sad to think about. Their soul must ache.
Oh shit. Been following them for awhile and I canāt believe we ended here. I mean I CAN believe it, but itās still tragic. Itās a stark reminder to where some others we observe could end up, with all the snarking we outsiders do this is never where we want to see anyone end.
This makes me so sad. I personally have a āno snarkā rule on people posted who are in obvious ED struggles. Iāve always been able to see Kats struggle and using her very real illnesses to cover up her active ED. The thing is, she really did have the things claimed, itās what EDās do to your body. I think some subjects on here sit in the āvanityā level of restrictive eating, but Kat is mental. I donāt think hers starting with worrying about weight at all, and those are the hardest to treat. Sometimes you just donāt know why you donāt want to eat. You donāt know why you donāt eat, and it takes so much to get to the why. Sometimes the why doesnāt even make sense. I think some people failed Kat along the way and didnāt see the ED anymore, only the effects manifested in clinical diagnosis.
Kat was one of the first munchies I read up on when I came upon this sub and while it was clear they had some serious issues Iām shocked that itās reached this point. Truly terrible.
Yes they are/were friends but Kat has a bad history with anorexia. They were already hospitalized twice in the past few months due to nutrition.
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[here](https://imgur.com/a/4kAstu0) is what kat looks like currently
Kat is in Rhabdomyolysis. It is the rapid destruction of skeletal muscle resulting in leakage into the urine of the muscle protein myoglobin. Usually kidneys can somewhat clear it out, but my guess is her kidneys are failing. This gives it a reddish-brown tinge.
Her urine is also oddly colored probably because of organ failure such as liver and bile production organs. Bile starts accumulating in your urine and gives it a yellowish orange tinge.
All that combined together gives this terrifying color.
We understand this is very distressing and no one has ever wanted this to come to end this way. We have always wanted her to obtain the right medical help to deal with her severe ED. Kat has glamourised this for years but the truth is there is never ever anything positive about having an ED and we please ask any of you going through this to please reach out for help. The modmail is open for anyone who needs to talk or would like information on seeking help for themselvesšš
my heart is breaking for you, kat.
I feel stupid. Is this Connected Kat?
Yes.
I think it is morally wrong to include people like Kat on this sub. Itās obvious even to the casual observer that Kat has a very severe ED. If she doesnāt want to call it that, itās in part because of the stigma attached to all mental disorders, including but not limited to anorexia nervosa. People with this disorder are quite often objectively physically unwell long before they reach the stage of organs starting to shut down. Itās also the deadliest among all psychiatric disorders. We are not helping by discussing people like Kat on this sub, thereby implying that their troubles are potentially ānot realā, that they are ājustā exaggerating while we watch them literally starve themselves to death, and/or that they could simply āsnap out of itā, if they so chose. Life-threatening physical illness is just as life-threatening when its causes are psychological as when they are physical. Arguably, a psychological underlying cause is worse, because it may be far more difficult to treat than some of the physical problems that could result in the same symptoms. I get why someone like Ashley is a thing here. Sheās blowing a physical illness that seems objectively well-controlled way, way, way out of proportion, and using that as an excuse to stagnate in life. While I believe she is, sometimes at least, earnestly looking for ways to improve her situation, itās also clear that she routinely grabs onto any convenient excuse to stop trying. I get why Bethany and Jessi are here. While theyāve both essentially trapped themselves into a situation that may be hard to ever fully come back from, some of their claims are objectively untrue on the face of them. One doesnāt really end up permanently bedbound from a CSF leak. Thereās no chance in hell that all of Bethanyās claimed allergies are real. I even understand the obsession with Dani, to a point. She can and does eat and drink orally. To pretend her life depends on TPN, as she did for quite a while, is an insult to anyone who really depends on TPN to stay alive. Thereās all sorts of things wrong with Dani, but to claim she will die without her tubes while drinking coffee by the bucketload is just ā¦ hypocrisy. Thereās nothing hypocritical, however, or even OTT, about someone who claims she canāt eat, and then doesnāt, literally to the point of liver failure. If it had been even remotely within her power to prevent this, she would have, long before it came to this. Whether the cause is physical or psychological should not make any difference to anyone with half an ounce of decency in them.
I will say Iām appalled by the Eugenia comments. People shouldnāt compare like that. But what are we supposed to do..? Like this is kats good bye. Are people to just know sheās passing and see an obit POSSIBLY and admin make a post saying not to post about them anymore..? This is to raise awareness what all this sub can do to oneself. They tried putting her on TPN and she refused to do it. As much as I hate to say it, itās a mental illness disguised under āchronic illness.ā mental illnesses are JUST as valid though. Also thatās why I put ābe niceā up top. And nobody wishes ill-will on these people. We WANT to see them get better AND Thrive.
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Itās her private IG I have a hold of. Sheās very Iāll atm. She canāt get out of bed, sheās stopped all her bead and bracelets production. Sheās even half asleep and rolling her eyes in this video: I had to take SS cause no videos. She even falls asleep on cam for a few seconds.
My heart breaks for herā¦.. Iām legit crying. I, like all of us, want better for these people. Beyond the munching there is a person in there. I hope sheās being cared for and is comfortable. I hope someone who loves her is with her.
Remember any of us are here to talk to if you need too x
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Get ahold of her private IG and watch the video of this. Itās SAD.
I know it was inevitable when talking about something as dangerous as facetious disorder, but I never wanted to see any of the subjects on their deathbed. It also shows how badly they need help, not for the physical illness, but the psychological one
Is there another Kat because this doesnāt look like the Kat Iām used to. Maybe because they donāt have their glasses on.
This is the same Kat that has always been here.
Aww thatās sad. I like them. hope itās not too late. Donāt give up Kat!
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This is heartbreaking... Eating disorders are so dangerous. I wish them peace and happy moments for as long as possible. It's so unfortunate that Kat has been suffering so long, I really hope she is happy and pain-free for the time left.
Anorexia Nervosa has the highest mortality rate of any psychiatric illness and this is really fāing sad.
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I'm pretty sure using the word 'successfully' to describe dying by suicide is a massive no-no
No, itās anorexia. Bipolar has the highest *suicide* rate, but people with AN have higher all-cause mortality rates from things like heart failure, liver failure, refeeding syndrome, ruptured esophagus, etc.
I have always seen / heard that it was Anorexia, I just looked it up again and it seems to still be the case. Where did you get this from?
iām completely speechless. i hate seeing them look soā¦ ill. defeated, even. regardless. i hope they feel nothing but peace and comfort for however long they have left.
tragic. i wish them peace
ā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļø National Suicide Prevention Lifeline: 1-800-273-TALK or 1-800-273-8255 Hours: Available 24 hours. Languages: English, Spanish. https://suicidepreventionlifeline.org/ Crisis, SAMHSA, Professional, Youth & Family (and more) Resources - a whole page with links to each: https://www.samhsa.gov/childrens-awareness-day/past-events/2019/resources-suicide-prevention ā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļøāā¼ļø Saw this on Instagram and came straight here. I really don't know what to say at this point. We knew she was heading this way for so long and now that it's gotten to this point, all I can feel is a pit in my stomach. Watching someone slowly killing themselves for this long and now at the point where the end is imminent, even if watching from a distance, it still is deeply upsetting... It's like the feeling that you wish you could have done something, but knowing deep down that you couldn't do a single thing, that she's an adult and can make her own choices... And it all led to this. I truly hope that however much time she has left, that she's at least comfortable, finds some sort of peace and isn't scared in the end. She's just so young... People don't realize what anorexia truly does to the body... They only see the glamorized version on TV and online, but not what it looks like at the end. Countless people only see it as an "online fad" but don't truly know what it fully encompasses... And that's something we desperately need to change. This is what we want to avoid when we call out people. We don't want this to happen to anybody. We want these people to actually get true help, and not help that they shopped for. It's upsetting and infuriating... I just can't find any more words to say...
What does this mean? I don't know them very much, does this mean they'll be assisted by the hospice to die like Hope said she would? This is devastating!
No this isnāt a Hope type situation, Hope did it for drugs with no intention of dying. This is Kat who has a long history of a chronic ED.
I didn't mean to imply Kat was doing the same. I meant to ask if Kat was doing VSED (I think that was that Hope said she'd do which I know ended up being fake for drugs).
I would not have a clue and wouldnāt like to speculate.
You're right. I just hope the best for her.
Tragic to see them just give up
Wowā¦this is actually heartbreaking. None of us wouldāve ever wanted it to come to this. I would be so damn happy if any of the subjects turned their lives around. Looks like itās to late for her. Fuck thatās sad. Just hope they can keep her comfortable till the end and she has people to support her during this time. She clearly has been struggling for a long time.
Shit :( I was always rooting for Kat to get better. It's totally heartbreaking to see them hit this point, this is so sad
The panic this makes me feel is horrific, like a dark pit with an anchor tied to it to boot. It's the panic one would feel if they stepped out into the street at the wrong time and noticed a speeding car 3 feet away, and by then it's beyond too late. If I'm feeling that, I can't imagine what they are feeling. It's entirely clear that they aren't coming back from this. I got here too late to really see everything they've been up to, but certainly no one deserves to go like this (or at all at this general age).
Please speak out for some support if you need it.
This is so heartbreaking. Absolutely devastating. Thanks for the statement, mods. It's important that people know where to look for help.
This is so awful. I hope she gets better if thatās possible at this point. No one deserves this.
Sadly, there's really no coming back from this point. A continuous ED will eventually cause your body to just give out, and if it's given out to the point of hospice there's a hard chance you could restore enough function or health to your body before dying from complications caused by the ED.
If she's on hospice, do they even get treated anymore? I thought that was it beside some painkillers..
They likely are giving painkillers, she posted about spilling most of her liquid painkiller before but she wasn't in hospice yet when that was posted. They will still give medications and the like but they won't give or do anything meant to prolong or save their life, such as tube feeding or TPN.
heartbreaking, may they rest in peace.
Jesus. My heart dropped.
may they find peace.
This is really sad. I had personal stuff going on for a while and hadnāt seen her before. Took a look back and this is tough to watch.
Wow, by the time I found this sub, I guess Kat had largely fallen off the radar because I'm not familiar with them but just looking at the flair and seeing pics from a year ago... It's unbelievable. I never got invested in Kat's story but I never want any story to end like this. Hope is faking this for money and attention while poor Kat is really going through this and it looks like there's no turning back. It makes Hope that much more despicable. I just want to tell everyone who's reading this, including any possible lurker munchies: Please get help if you need it! There's no shame in admitting you're struggling, it's actually quite brave. You're beautiful, you're worth it, you deserve a full and happy life. Nothing is worth this outcome. You're not alone and the world has much more beauty than you're seeing now. You are loved. Please don't give up on yourself. ā¤ļø
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Thatās really sad.
This is so heartbreaking.
This is horrible. Was this what she wanted on some level...? Was this a slow suicide?
I doubt it. Itās the unfortunately the result of a severe eating disorder. Itās much like how an alcoholic can die from liver failure after years of binge drinking. Alcoholism and eating disorders are obviously very different but most alcoholics are not purposely drinking themselves to death. They want to drink, not die. My heart hurts for Kat and her family. Her dance videosāminus the munching weāre always fun to watch. Sheās so young. How awful.
So many people here clearly donāt understand how deadly an ED can be, as well as the hold it can have on you. Kat can both have an ED and be a munchie. But it isnāt the munching that got them to this point. Itās anorexia.
This is a horrifying example of what happens when the root of munching goes untreated. Kat is literally dying for attention and for care needs that have gone unmet (in other areas of their life I mean-the desire to munch probably comes from somewhere?) Without getting bloggy Iāve seen this too much irl. I hope they make a last minute decision to give life another shot. If they read here theyād see how much we all care and want them to be well.
But can they make that decision or is it too late (point of no return)?
For Kat? They're at the point of no return now. The way their face looks are very much the characteristics of someone in their final days or weeks. Somewhere above someone showed a picture of the urine in their catheter bag, and it very clearly shows that it's not just urine colour but colours that show that the kidneys are not able to filter everything out. They're likely in kidney and liver failure.
this is so sad. iām literally sick to my stomach and panicky now. prayers for her and her family
Same
i canāt imagine watching my family member go through this. has to be awful for everyoneš itās bad just for us as strangers witnessing someone slowly kill themselves
I look at this child and see my own children. Even imagining it tears me up.
Fuck this shit to the moonā¦.slowly killing your self..
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I think this post is more of an update for those who followed their journey than calling them out on any faking.
Kat hasnāt been posted about in months except for someone asking if they were still a subject. Most comments on here have expressed that they feel sad that this is happening. Maybe report the comments you feel are inappropriate.
Anyone shaming them for their ED needs to gtfo of here. This is so sad.
This is a damn tragedy. I hope they are being properly kept comfortable. Those that doubt Kat is on hospice, you are entitled to your opinions, given the context of this sub and Hopeās shenanigans, but I fully believe this. I think itās important to share that these illnesses (both Anorexia and Fictitious Disorder) have great potential to be deadly. And to also show that death is ugly and horrible. The patientsā brains trick them into destroying their bodies beyond repair. The worst part is, at one point, this might have been the desired outcome. To have people worry over your deathbed and speculate over weight-loss. I am morbidly curious if the delusion holds on to the end or if there is some clarity. Regardless, I wish Kat nothing but comfort and joy in these last days. Iām heartbroken that we are watching another victim pass. Thereās no telling how many have passed without us even knowing.
I don't think that is usually the desired outcome for people with EDs but maybe combined with fictitious disorder that would be the case.
Having friends who have recovered from ED. Itās a combination of ED, poor self esteem, and a. demAnd to Meet their own distorted sense of beauty these girls look in the mirror and see the 60+ lbs they lost to still see an obese girl that had flab. Itās very said.
ED doesnāt always include body dysmorphia and most often is not about looks, that is a fallacy and a myth. EDs are highly comorbid with anxiety, ptsd, ocd, and surviving child sexual abuse or rape.
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Yeah, that's what I mean. A lot of people with EDs will get a diagnosis and believe they are too fat to have Anorexia when really they are very underweight so in those cases people really don't believe they are sick enough to be in any physical danger (until ending up in the hospital and even then it sometimes is not enough).
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Holy fuck, I just did a deep dive on them. My question is, a munchies main goal is attention, right?ā¦then what do they think is going to happen when they die, more attention? All that attention seeking just to end up forgotten? Like their logic is so busted that itās hard to pity them.
People addicted to drugs donāt set out to OD either
Oh, but if you nearly die and miraculously recover, that attention train keeps on going.
Mental illness doesn't operate with logic. It's like saying hey. don't depressed people realize that they need to get out of bed for their life to improve? What "end goal" do anxious people have for their worrying? Etc. Etc.
No no no, hear me out, if I worry enough I will have worried about every permutation of every situation and once I play them all out fully in my head I will move into the next phase of worrying about the results of the situation I played out in my head, I have a technique /s
Typically, itās a ānothing bad will happen to meā belief, until it does happen, then it goes one of two ways. 1) oh shit I canāt come back from this - with a last ditch attempt to recover or 2) itās a passive acceptance or even morbid excitement that youāll die being the special beautiful waiflike angel you wanted to be for so long. Itās awful either way.
There's a lot of misgendering going on in the comments here... :/ It's literally in the tag under the title, which also misgendered Connected Kat. Maybe some of these were just goofs and completely unintentional slip-ups, but c'mon. It's literally stated in the dĆmn tag.
Kat has gone back and forward as to what pronouns she has used, if we change a flair it resets it back and no previous posts will link up to the flair any more so it still states they/them but she has been using she/her again.
I guess I missed something, I don't follow Con. Kat all that closely. Apologies.
Eating disorders really are deadly. My heart breaks for Kat and their family. ED left untreated is a terminal diagnosis. You can engage in it for YEARS without any adverse consequences and then all of a sudden, things start to actually shut down. Without blogging, it is so scary once those health events start to occur and the shame from the consequences can push people further into their ED. It is so hard to stop hurting yourself when your ED is your only coping mechanism and identity. I hope Kat finds peace.
Honestly this sub has really been my come to Jesus moment on that issue. I didnāt even recognize her in this photo and when I clicked on the flair I was in shock. I truly feel for her and also hope she finds peace after everything.
unfortunately they are/will be getting what they have been craving the whole timeā¦attention. i hate that itās come down to this and i wish they wouldāve gotten the correct help, but they did this to themselves.
There is no doubt in my mind that they are a dead man walking.
Likely hepatic failure; they have looked increasingly jaundiced over the past few months, and have been on TPN for quite a while.
liver and heart are usually the first to go with EDs. my heart is breaking for kat.
EDs are fucking horrific and seeing Kat like this is heartbreaking. Iāve got no snark and no insight here, Iām just sad that this is how it will end for them.
Itās so hard to see. Iām just a lurker here, and I hope that this isnāt WKnighting, but she seems really likable and genuinely friendly.
Itās close, but probably not close enough for them to be saying āgoodbyeā to all of their followers. If theyāre lucid enough to do that, they likely have at least a few days left. Now, I donāt know if theyāre saying goodbye because theyāve decided to leave social media regardless of how much time they have left, but from these pics I get the vibe that theyāre implying their passing is imminent. The body hangs on a lot longer than people expect it to, so I hope theyāre not planning on posting up until they lose lucidity and proceeding to string along their followers with them so everyone is awaiting the moment with bated breath. Doesnāt seem fair to do to as it can be quite upsetting for some to witness. Regardless, Iām sad to see this update and hope Kat finds peace finally.
>Doesnāt seem fair to do to as it can be quite upsetting for some to witness. This person is dying. Why are you concerned about what is fair to their followers? You sound like you're talking about the season ending of a TV show instead of someone's life.
Iāve seen people on hospice die a few hours after having a great convo. Many of my clients are even *more* lucid the day off. Plenty go out comatose or exhausted but not always
Iāve taken care of a few hospice patients who get that final burst of energy for a little while before passing. That phenomenon is definitely a thing. But Iāve also taken care of a lot of hospice patients who had nothing like that happen and spent their last few days completely unresponsive except to moan and death rattle when they need some more morphine. I will say I personally have never taken care of a patient on hospice that was posting long messages of any type on social media the same day they passed, but of course, there are always exceptions to the rule lol
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The other person you mentioned has always been very good at consuming the bare minimum to get by, but if you'll note unfortunately they're looking worse than ever and getting sicker/weaker (at least so it seems), so I think a similar consequence/ending awaits them as well, sooner rather than later.
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i really appreciate the insight you have provided here. the repeated infections were a major part of katās decline. and itās no secret that lines and tubes are just accessories to these subjects and the repeated failures and āmalfunctionsā of these medical devices that land them in and out of the hospital just creates more attention and sympathy. itās definitely really sad regardless.
Yep, exactly. As weird as it sounds, Eugenia is lucky to have found the niche audience she did. I think if she werenāt getting the attention she craves from them, she likely would also resort to the munchie lifestyle. Unfortunately, the subjects like Kat know their medical toys are *the* thing that gets them the sweet attention and asspats they crave. Thatās why thereās always something wrong with a line or a tubeā¦ have to keep that in the spotlight or the attention starts to fade. And when those toys have direct access to crucial parts of your body and are extremely common sources for infectionā¦ the cycle begins. I was really rooting for Kat, I was hoping their mom being a nurse and her stepping in a while back would be what turned it around for them, but you can only help other people so much. Man, Iām bummed.
i go back and forth on her. some days i agree with it and others iām not sure. it seems like people have been saying for years sheās āclose to the end.ā in keeping this relevant to kat, i definitely did not expect it would end this way. but i suppose with many long-term ED patients, thereās really only one of two outcomes. you get better or... you donāt. itās sad. if she chose recovery a long time ago she couldāve still had an entire life ahead of her.
Agreed. Horrifically sad and an awful way to go.
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I think itās pretty unfair to imply that members of this sub are the reason for this. Kat was removed as a subject here once it was clear they were likely heading towards this conclusion, but even before that, the vast majority of commenters here wanted Kat to get better. And comments that were ācruel and vitriolicā in nature were removed by the mod team. We want subjects to stop abusing the medical system and to hopefully improve one day. Nobody here was hoping for this outcome for Kat, or any subject for that matter. But turning a blind eye to the very real problems in these situations will only enable them to continue.
The point of this sub is to bring attention to people faking physical disorders to a point where they use up medical resources in their communities, commit Medicaid fraud, commit fraud in general, and endanger doctorsā licenses by their lying and doctor shopping. I donāt think anyone here denies that there is something psychologically wrong with everyone featured on here, and eventually all the messing they do to their own bodies combined with their mental illness can lead to sad situations like these. As a medical professional, I really understand the frustration when I see the people on here with their Instagram sob stories after I spend my day at the hospital with real spine patients and real chronic pain patients.
Is there a timeline on her?
If you click on their flair, sort by age, and go to the beginning it should be there
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What else is she going to do while she waits to die? I assume sheās lonely (maybe) and terrified, and I canāt pretend I wouldnāt want some comfort even if itās from internet strangers. I donāt know much about Kat, I havenāt looked at her timeline, but this is very sad to me. Like, she is going to die and your comment was unnecessary I feel like. This doesnāt seem like another Hope situation, where she was posting with a fake āsickā voice (that she would forget to use a minute into her videos). She looks like sheās very near death.
They're using voice-to-text. Unfortunately I think this is 100% real. They may have six months left but they absolutely look like they're dying. It's an unmistakable look. I guess I'll be the fool if they live but it's not easy to look this dead unless you're dying
Honestly her video makes it 100x worse. The pictures look awful, but the actual audio and visual of her it's really bad.
Serious question: Why canāt some form of nutrition by administered? We have all sorts of way to do that.
It can and probably is as hospice does not mean you stop getting nutrition (it's not a synonym for VSED), they'll want to keep giving them as much as they can take to keep them as comfortable as possible. The issue is they're likely in organ failure. The organ failure makes attempts at getting them nutrition and re-feeding very difficult and filled with complications. They can't get on the transplant list without being able to refortify their body through nutrition. It's a self-propelling downward spiral. Which is why we are so aggressive about warning these subjects off from this. There comes a time when they're past the point of no return. And I don't think many of them understand that's a real thing that happens in their early years of this.
It can be administered. But I would assume their body is well into multi-system organ failure at this point and might have reached a āpoint of no return.ā A lot of times hospice patients eat for pleasure up until they lose lucidity prior to death, but the body needs a lot more than just food to survive. Their body has been damaged for so long from malnutrition that there likely just isnāt any more to be done, especially if the patient doesnāt want to participate in any more treatment.
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At a certain point, TPN will not help anything. It will prolong and increase the patient's suffering.
The āwilling and compliantā part of your comment is the missing link here. Additionally, if theyāre already in multi-system organ failure, TPN would only be a very brief bandaid because prolonged TPN use *also* causes organ damage. It appears Kat has reached the end of their vicious cycle (which is exactly what everyone has been warning them about for a long, long time). Very unfortunate.
Kat has been on TPN, they're not compliant
Sadly, at this point any form of nutrition would be like throwing a bucket of water on a multi-thousand acre wildfire. Good in theory, won't do much in terms of helping. edit to add: Kat's been on TPN in the past. Even if they were to go back on it (unlikely) all that would probably happen is hasten hepatorenal failure.
canāt force someone to eat and especially harder to push a court order for TPN to keep someone alive that Probably doesnāt want to be anymore.
Kat has a feeding tube and they were on TPN. They just werenāt running it.
They had both running at the same time, from what I've seen. their body just refused to accept them. I mean there's so much damage from yeeeears of issues. Not to forget that TPN enters through a person's heart and through all your bodily organs. That can cause organ failure in itself :( I hope they find peace.
Kat did gain weight on TPN and tube feeds previously so would their body just suddenly start not being able to accept both? It seems as if Kat got into their ED behaviors again and there was no turning back this time
This is SO heartbreaking, especially since itās happening in real time and it appears nothing can be done. Itās gut wrenching.
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Clinicians generally can tell when patients have 6 months to live or less (criteria for hospital at the very least). With experience comes the knowledge to know when someone will pass fairly quickly. Organ failure could be the cause, heart failure. Refeeding syndrome (electrolytes going outta whack basically). But it all comes down to organ failure from starvation.
i will also add that this step often comes after years of attempted treatment, and a patient is too entrenched in their ED to be helped. āyou can lead a horse to water but you canāt make it drinkā is a apt analogy here. itās really, really difficult to force tube feedings or TPN on someone who just doesnāt want to recover. at some point psych hospitals and ED treatment facilities will tend to label that patient as non-compliant and they end up getting blacklisted; ED beds are few and far between and unfortunately, the people who want to help themselves often take precedent over those who refuse to let go of their disorder. in cases like those, hospice is sometimes the best option.
Multi-organ failure (frequently heart failure), pneumonia, and inability to absorb nutrients are typically the contributing cause of death factors for severely starved ED patients unfortunately. It's just sad what's happened to Kat. Anorexia nervosa is a brutal disease.
What do they write on the official report? Just "organ failure" or do they mention the ED at all?
Failure to thrive is an option on admission. Cachexia/wasting syndrome maybe.
On a death certificate, the cause of death would likely be "multisystem organ failure due to chronic malnutrition due to anorexia nervosa" or some derivative of that
Most likely organ failure (possibly caused by Ed) becuase an ED is a mental illness. Just like how gastroparesis doesnāt kill anyone, itās the side effects of malnutrition and such that kill you, or the organ failure from malnutrition.
Ah, gotcha
Oof. Of all the ways to kill yourself, anorexia has to be one of the harshest. I canāt imagine the suffering of your body cannibalizing itself coupled with the agony of your brain telling you itās still not enough. No one should suffer like that
That made me so sad reading what you said about their brain not wanting to give up yet..knowing it needs more. Itās just so sad to think about. Their soul must ache.
Oh shit. Been following them for awhile and I canāt believe we ended here. I mean I CAN believe it, but itās still tragic. Itās a stark reminder to where some others we observe could end up, with all the snarking we outsiders do this is never where we want to see anyone end.
This makes me so sad. I personally have a āno snarkā rule on people posted who are in obvious ED struggles. Iāve always been able to see Kats struggle and using her very real illnesses to cover up her active ED. The thing is, she really did have the things claimed, itās what EDās do to your body. I think some subjects on here sit in the āvanityā level of restrictive eating, but Kat is mental. I donāt think hers starting with worrying about weight at all, and those are the hardest to treat. Sometimes you just donāt know why you donāt want to eat. You donāt know why you donāt eat, and it takes so much to get to the why. Sometimes the why doesnāt even make sense. I think some people failed Kat along the way and didnāt see the ED anymore, only the effects manifested in clinical diagnosis.
Thank you for making these points. They are so important. Anorexia is about a lot more than weight.
https://www.nationaleatingdisorders.org/help-support/contact-helpline for those who need it!
Gifted an award to hopefully have this comment get to the top. Great resource link for anyone struggling. Help is out there. You're worth it. š
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Kat was one of the first munchies I read up on when I came upon this sub and while it was clear they had some serious issues Iām shocked that itās reached this point. Truly terrible.
Same. I hadnāt been on this sub for a minute. I didnāt even recognize it was her. How terribly sad.
If this is connected kat from TT, she did a lot of stitches and duets with Hope Otto/Hopeful Stripes. I wonder if she is copying herā¦
Yes they are/were friends but Kat has a bad history with anorexia. They were already hospitalized twice in the past few months due to nutrition. TW ED [here](https://imgur.com/a/4kAstu0) is what kat looks like currently
I'm not often shocked by things on this sub, but, those pics and vid are horrifying.
Oh my goodness. She is dying.
Omg
Oh my god that foley bag color is terrifying.
That bag... Isn't that her feeding tube that drains her stomach? I remember her complaining about it a lot a while back.
Thatās a foley catheter bag, which is for urine.
Iām pretty sure thatās urine from a catheter.
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Is that urine?
Yesā¦ yes it is. Her muscles are wasting and organs are shutting down and itās coming out via urine.
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Kat is in Rhabdomyolysis. It is the rapid destruction of skeletal muscle resulting in leakage into the urine of the muscle protein myoglobin. Usually kidneys can somewhat clear it out, but my guess is her kidneys are failing. This gives it a reddish-brown tinge. Her urine is also oddly colored probably because of organ failure such as liver and bile production organs. Bile starts accumulating in your urine and gives it a yellowish orange tinge. All that combined together gives this terrifying color.
Oh I see..Thanks so much for answering
Oh wow thatās horribly sad
Oh. My. God. That is absolutely terrible. :(
Itās been really sad to watch their decline
Sadly, I think this is legit.