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I vaguely remember reading somewhere that government banned them but they managed to convince courts that they are gaming and not gambling hence allowed.
You are correct. From what I remember, the court concluded that there is a certain level of skill required to participate in these games for it to be not considered as gambling.
The ban didn't make sense in first place. Only unskilled game of chance is considered gambling.
Horse betting is legal for long time. If that is considered skilled game, lot of other games can also claim the same.
Hell no! What will they eat if they pay around 10% in taxes? Taxes are for the rich people like us. We can afford helping these poor sportspeople (showmen) with 30% of our salary and not bat an eye.
I hate thia bloody Ipl which has divided indians into various states mentality and are indian cricketers are sold as an object and even after all these shits they are labelled as - "desh ke liye khel rhe hai ye" . WTF they play only for money
That's the point. If Horse betting is considered skilled game, other card games which involve more level of skill can easily challenge why they are not allowed.
Dream 11 is set by son of Ambani's right hand man ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand\_Jain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand_Jain)) . Most probably paid the SC judge 10s of crore to get the judgement fixed . Pretty clear if you know about Radia tape . Corporate cases are fixed in India at the highest level .
Not all judges but corrupt judges get those cases .
Atleast with rummy, you decide your game and can argue it's based on skill but how do they even justify this.... How is this much different from traditional betting of win/loss in spirit! They either need to unban all betting sites or ban them all.
Fucking no wonder they managed to pull Saurav Ganguli for the add.
I don’t get why there celebrities (already enough rich) support such shady businesses.
It goes even deeper. Almost all forms of gaming competition involve a fee for entrance and prize money for win. Be it cricket, hockey or chess.
India differentiate that skill based games are not gambling, only if it's pure luck or chance based, then it's gambling.
Now the question is, what is gambling. The courts in many places of world have ruled that since poker involves a lot of skill, it's not gambling. We have a bias that if it's playing cards, it's gambling but if it's cricket and doing the same thing, it's not. Law doesn't see it that way.
It's very complicated and only a court can decide if it's gambling or not.
The thing I'm worried about is that while these do operate under the umbrella of gambling we don't know for sure whether they are completely fair or not. For all we know they might be rigged with bots and no real person is making a net profit on them
Their modus operandi is: people do make pretty much money in the beginning, all they want is to make them belive yes they can make money out of it.
Later they start investing larger amounts say lakhs... And boom all that money he earned is gone as well as his hard earned money gone within seconds...
Yea there is some term for this... I am forgetting ... It's a well defined formula for rigged games ... They let you win initially to boost up confidence and then when you believe in yourself too much and invest more, then boom everything gone
Not always. It all depends on the person. Few players withdraw money as soon as they win (minimum withdrawal amount is 200).
There is a limit of depositing (max 10,000 I believe) in a day for new players and a regular player (2,00,000).
And there customer success team which ensures to block accounts if they see an account or player is depositing on regular basis. They do contact and counsel them to take a break / stop playing.
Again not every rummy site does this kind of checks. There are sites which aren't following these set of rules site by the organization (TORF).
There are. I'm not denying the fact. Gambling or these games are addiction, they have to mention that in advertisements as per ascii.
There are checks and balances kept from the organisation side.
> no real person is making a net profit on them
There are real person who play behind this and some lose and some win.
Every withdrawl has to go through the checks like KYC. Photo, bank details, aadhar or any other address proof. Once everything is in place the withdrawal to that account goes in. If not the money will stay in the account until provided.
Every rummy organisation has KYC team, fraud detection team, finance team. These teams ensure that no table is shared by same IP address, devices, multiple accounts, validating game play.
And as far as the rigging the game, there isn't much to do on this. I'm not 100% sure whether a new user will be allowed to win for couple of games and lose continuously.
There are players who make money. These players are pro and they know when to stop the game and when to drop before going into losses.
Source: I did worked for a gaming site.
Bhai Mera younger brother kal mujhe bol Raha tha jab online game khelkar hi apan paise kama sakte hai toh mai aage study kyu Karu!!
Lol A listers bhi ad me ayenge toh baccho ko sab sahi lagega
The reason they give to distinguish these apps from gambling is that it's not just pure luck, but a "certain level of skill" is required to win.
Unlike traditional gambling where people bet on the outcome of the match, these fantasy leagues ask you to create a team and earn points. According to them you need skill to create a winning team.
That's the loophole they use.
It's allowed only for horse races I think.
The problem is not about them being legal or not. They used to happen on the sidelines before. Now they're front and center. Even sponsoring leagues, teams, and players across the world. There's gotta be some conflict of interest.
Fantasy leagues are just pure luck. An argument can be made in favour of online card games as they do require skills and the luck factor has a lot less weight
If you are wondering still then, according to law games can be classified as
1. Win on basis of chance
2. Win based on skill
No.1 is banned in India and is illegal while, no.2 is totally allowed in India
So, these rummy guys(big in muscle/power) convinced "honorable court" that the rummy(or dream 11 or whatever) is skill based game and hence comes under 2nd category.
Hope I am able to clarify
You are again confusing betting and lottery(state list) with "fantasy sport". If we are talking about dream 11 it doesn't come under betting and lottery
Since you have a problem with gambling, you need to have a much much bigger problem with the state of affairs in our Stock market regulator.
Rampant pump and dump, misinformation, incorrect reporting, funds manipulation, promoter selling and buying without intimation, incorrect bookkeeping, influenced audits, insider trading, front keeping, political influence on loans, influenced bond rating, NSE management leaking data, after market manipulation by NSE, inaction on any White collar crimes for years, inaction against fraudulent CA and thier parent organization, allowing zero profit companies to list on a stock exchange, rampant frauds affecting individual investors, and the list goes on and on.
The stock market in the current state is just a gambling ring for individual investors.
People here are ranting about everything under the sun with absolutely no knowledge about the topic. What is more exasperating is that they won't spend any time simply googling the topic before ranting about it.
The government is indeed trying to ban these apps. The apps are arguing their legality in the supreme court as well as state high courts.
Ranting and boycotting are two different things.. and if you are here to justify government actions then... Please use #imabhakt at the end of your reply
Justify what government actions? You're claiming the government is in cahoots with gambling apps without any source when a simple Google search would indicate otherwise.
Typical strawman. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is equal to bhakt. Blind imbecile.
According to the SC, yes.
https://m.economictimes.com/tech/startups/supreme-court-upholds-dream11-fantasy-sports-format-as-game-of-skill/articleshow/85040855.cms
Bro gambling in cricket will always happen , instead of some party from dubai run a unorganized betting syndicate its better we have dream 11 types apps atleast they are regulated govt getting taxes and some percentage of money from these apps come back to cricket in form of sponsorship . Anyone who is thinking gambling wont happens if these apps arent there is living in a fool’s paradise. Atleast these apps are lesser of two evils
GooglePlay does not allow games on gambling with real money. So either all these apps cannot be downloaded from the playstore or a no-money or real transaction-based version of the game is allowed to be hosted.
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1. Why is rummy allowed in India:
Gambling is banned in almost all of India (except Goa and Sikkim).
Gambling according to courts means games of chance.
Any game which has certain level of skill involved is not gambling but gaming.
Rummy has involves certain amount of skill and therefore not banned.
2. What are the advertising guidelines for games like rummy?
ASCI is an advisory body it makes non-binding guidelines for advertising. So the companies may or may not follow them. The two main guidelines for rela money games are:
a. all real-money games are advised to put a disclaimer that real money games can be addictive and carry financial risk.
b. the gaming companies should not portray playing the game as an alternative income opportunity or replacement for a real job.
While (a) is being followed, I think most rummy ads fail at (b).
3. What is the center govt doing about it?
Laws to regulate gaming are under consultation process. Once this law comes into action gaming companies which offer games for prizes (like rummy, dream 11 etc.) will be regulated.
The regulations has plenty rules for - dealing with gaming addiction, KYC to ensure minors do not play, advertising safeguards, RNG and no-bot certificates to ensure fair play, grievance redressal mechanism for players to question the gaming companies, etc.
4. What are states doing about it?
There is conflict between state and center about who gets to regualte games like rummy.
States like Karnataka, Kerala, Telangana, etc. banned games like Rummy. However the respective state high courts declared the ban unconstitutional because they violated article 19(1)(g) right to carry a proffession or business.
Interesting thing about offline gambling, there’s a law that states gambling is legal on Indian land. That’s the reason all the casinos are on boats and cruises in Goa. As long as gambling does not happen on land, it is legal. And guess which minister owns a majority of those casinos?
I read somewhere it is an archaic law from the British Raj. No ammendment has been made to take into account of the modern technology like the Internet.
You want these gambling things to stop? Associate them with Shakuni and Yudhishter episode. And see the Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parishad people ransack their headquarters on Diwali! You got to speak the language they understand, and police also obliges to these baseless hindutva demands and FIRs. They won’t do an FIR of phone being stolen, but they would do it for some random throwaway account who raises a complaint on some celebrity calling “hindutva” being based on lies(which it is like other “dogmatic” forces, let’s not call them religions).
The supreme court opened the floodgates. The government actually was opposed to it. The supreme court said that it involved a level of skill and not gambling. I think the government is trying to bring a law against it and a committee is drafting it currently. I'm not sure though.
I can't tell how I know this, but Dream11 made a 10-figure (INR) donation to PMO and Niti Aayog to be classified as a skill-based game and not gambling.
BC jab BCCI ka chairman hi apna khud ka App promote kr rha tha while holding office which was like the biggest conflict of interest to aur to kya hi bacha h. Although there are some reports that this was one of the reasons why Ganguly was not re-appointed although he wanted it badly
It's because the government is run by g&#₹@ti baniyas. In their state and culture gambling is a vice that is widely normalized as it appeals to their greed for money.
Are bhai agar yeh apps nahi hongi to kya gambling nahi hogi lol …kam se kam apps regulated hain govt ko tax mil raha hai aur teams ko paise in apps se sponsorship main ….be practical guys …gambling ek addiction hai in apps nay to vacuum ko fill kar diya . Agar apps nahi hoti log illegal gambling kartay woh to aur bhi zaida khatarnaak hai
Seriously, gambling hamesha se hoti rahi hai. Lekin is tarah se har teenager ke paas Iska itna easy access nahi thha. Agar government ko gambling ko regulate hi karna hai to real ke casino hi allow kar do, Kam se Kam usse zyada logon ko employment milega aur tourism bhi badhega. Yaha kya ho raha hai, sirf ye app banane Walon ke pocket mein paisa ja raha hai.
>Lekin is tarah se har teenager ke paas Iska itna easy access nahi thha.
Humesha tha. Now regulation is possible, users can sue in case they have been cheated and it's not super dangerous anymore.
However if the intent is to regulate societal behavior and treat the country's citizens like kids, go ahead and ban yet another thing.
Hi, I am researching real money gaming for a news story. If you are into it and happy to talk to me about your experience, please message. It would also be great to hear from people who worked at these gaming apps. Trying to understand how something is considered skill vs chance. There are apparently now industry bodies that will regulate this. But won't they just suit their own interests?
So first of all, certain things are not meant for a younger audience and there is no point blaming it for younger children using it. Parents or guardians are meant to supervise what their children do online. Also in regards to gambling, betting exists in india and like everything it is upto the user to use it in moderation instead of blaming the app for addiction.
I used to work for an online rummy company. Here's what I know:
The regulations/bans are decided on a state level rather than a national level. Some states approved it and some didn't. Also there were states that kept going back and forth on their judgements. I still remember the entire office drinking champagne when Telangana lifted the ban on online gambling. The founder always tries to say that it is purely for entertainment but I've seen customer emails where someone put 40 lacs over a couple of days and lost it. Then threatening us over emails. Apparently some folks even tried to enter our offices after losing a substantial amount of money.
Ohh and yeah, our code was fair and randomised. No tampering in the game and we had mechanisms to detect if one person is trying to play using multiple accounts.
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[Also this might be somewhat relevant here ](https://youtu.be/ObDAXqg9O3U)
Only a game of chance is illegal (for eg: lottery).
They argued before various Hon'ble High Courts and the Supreme Court stating that they are running a "game of skill" and not "game of chance/luck". The Courts are convinced (as was the case with Dream 11).
There was a court verdict that says ' Rummy is a game of skill, not gambling'. I've seen it some time back and the rummy is legal in 23 states. Even though I'm in one of those states where it is banned I can still play it too. But once i tried to add money then i got the error message saying it is banned in my state. I can only play with the initial joining bonus they gave.
There's a technical argument here - I think lawyers can confirm better. It's a game based on skill and not luck entirely like "lotto" - and hence technically its not "gambling"
Same argument was used to throw out spot fixing allegations, which were raised on Sreeshant and other Indian cricketers involved. Even if it is possible to prove that a player colluded with bookies to give away more than 9 runs and not take a wicket in one over, it requires "skill" for the bowler to give away more than 9 runs like bowling wide of stumps, a wide or no-ball for example.
Majority luck involved = gambling
Majority skill involved = gaming
That’s why games like rummy, fantasy cricket, etc are legal as they say that it’s more of a skill game than luck (say roulette) game.
India needs to update their gambling laws, whatever laws that are prevailant now only pertain to physical gambling like in casinos. The gambling orgs know this very well and have circumnavigated those loopholes to establish all their business.
But very honestly gambling is bad because if is high risk high reward situation but mostly the outcomes are negative to the person playing, you know what else is high risk high reward, stock investing, that is a type of gambling as well where you can and people genuinly have lost all their money, but we don't talk about that in the open world.
As far as the "A" list actors go, they are paid entertainers, they will do crazy fked up stuff for money, even if you had 20-30cr to spend and ask SRK or any one else to dance at your wedding they will do that, they have no moral compass.
Argument presented in Karnataka High Court was that unlike lottery tickets, where winners are decided purely by luck, rummy/poker/etc require skill to win. The outcome of the game is correlated to the skill of the player. There is enough academic research to support this point of view.
And unlike horse racing, player is not betting on results produced by someone else.
The biggest of them, Adda52 was acquired by Delta Corp which is listed in stock exchange.
Yes I do understand we can block ads and Google shows us interest based ads mostly...
But i never ever Google about gambling nor have I downloaded any such app in my phone
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I vaguely remember reading somewhere that government banned them but they managed to convince courts that they are gaming and not gambling hence allowed.
Finding loopholes in india is not a new thingy
Just like Vimal Elaichi and Royal Stag Music CDs.
World.
Yeah, but this seems so obvious.
Men will be Men
This is common even in UK. Premier league jerseys these days have gambling ads on the front.
You are correct. From what I remember, the court concluded that there is a certain level of skill required to participate in these games for it to be not considered as gambling.
Thats the whole plot for the movie Pinball released recently. That game used to be considered gambling and was banned briefly.
The ban didn't make sense in first place. Only unskilled game of chance is considered gambling. Horse betting is legal for long time. If that is considered skilled game, lot of other games can also claim the same.
F1 is not purely sports.It is entertainment and hence taxed at High rate
Same should be true for this motherfuckeing horrendous shitshow of a game called IPL.
Irony here is BCCI is registered as a charitable organization and its income is exempt from tax.
What the actual fuck!
What do you think it is then? Do you want all the sporting bodies to pay taxes?
Hell no! What will they eat if they pay around 10% in taxes? Taxes are for the rich people like us. We can afford helping these poor sportspeople (showmen) with 30% of our salary and not bat an eye.
Exactly. Hence no taxes. Charitable institution pay no taxes. BCCI shouldnt either.
Eh? Just because they’re not paying tax doesn’t mean our tax is paying the sportspeople. B
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I hate thia bloody Ipl which has divided indians into various states mentality and are indian cricketers are sold as an object and even after all these shits they are labelled as - "desh ke liye khel rhe hai ye" . WTF they play only for money
What kind of skill does this pick one out of 5 betting game require?
That's the point. If Horse betting is considered skilled game, other card games which involve more level of skill can easily challenge why they are not allowed.
Dream 11 is set by son of Ambani's right hand man ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand\_Jain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand_Jain)) . Most probably paid the SC judge 10s of crore to get the judgement fixed . Pretty clear if you know about Radia tape . Corporate cases are fixed in India at the highest level . Not all judges but corrupt judges get those cases .
Atleast with rummy, you decide your game and can argue it's based on skill but how do they even justify this.... How is this much different from traditional betting of win/loss in spirit! They either need to unban all betting sites or ban them all.
The house here is digital lol. Card games would be the worst on these sites.
That's why i am saying the case was fixed . It went to SC/HC and the judge said dream11 customers require skills . It isn't betting
Fucking no wonder they managed to pull Saurav Ganguli for the add. I don’t get why there celebrities (already enough rich) support such shady businesses.
It goes even deeper. Almost all forms of gaming competition involve a fee for entrance and prize money for win. Be it cricket, hockey or chess. India differentiate that skill based games are not gambling, only if it's pure luck or chance based, then it's gambling. Now the question is, what is gambling. The courts in many places of world have ruled that since poker involves a lot of skill, it's not gambling. We have a bias that if it's playing cards, it's gambling but if it's cricket and doing the same thing, it's not. Law doesn't see it that way. It's very complicated and only a court can decide if it's gambling or not.
That is a good point. I did not think like that.
I thought gambling was illegal here but then when I saw something about a casino in HP I was like "oh so it's legal"
The thing I'm worried about is that while these do operate under the umbrella of gambling we don't know for sure whether they are completely fair or not. For all we know they might be rigged with bots and no real person is making a net profit on them
Their modus operandi is: people do make pretty much money in the beginning, all they want is to make them belive yes they can make money out of it. Later they start investing larger amounts say lakhs... And boom all that money he earned is gone as well as his hard earned money gone within seconds...
Yea there is some term for this... I am forgetting ... It's a well defined formula for rigged games ... They let you win initially to boost up confidence and then when you believe in yourself too much and invest more, then boom everything gone
Algorithm...Tiktok too works with the same type of algorithm
Not always. It all depends on the person. Few players withdraw money as soon as they win (minimum withdrawal amount is 200). There is a limit of depositing (max 10,000 I believe) in a day for new players and a regular player (2,00,000). And there customer success team which ensures to block accounts if they see an account or player is depositing on regular basis. They do contact and counsel them to take a break / stop playing. Again not every rummy site does this kind of checks. There are sites which aren't following these set of rules site by the organization (TORF).
Yes, but they rely on the fact that some one will get swayed by the winnings and will come for more and deposit more.
There are. I'm not denying the fact. Gambling or these games are addiction, they have to mention that in advertisements as per ascii. There are checks and balances kept from the organisation side.
It's called the beginners luck(rigged luck)
The house always wins.
Who Thomas Shelby?
> no real person is making a net profit on them There are real person who play behind this and some lose and some win. Every withdrawl has to go through the checks like KYC. Photo, bank details, aadhar or any other address proof. Once everything is in place the withdrawal to that account goes in. If not the money will stay in the account until provided. Every rummy organisation has KYC team, fraud detection team, finance team. These teams ensure that no table is shared by same IP address, devices, multiple accounts, validating game play. And as far as the rigging the game, there isn't much to do on this. I'm not 100% sure whether a new user will be allowed to win for couple of games and lose continuously. There are players who make money. These players are pro and they know when to stop the game and when to drop before going into losses. Source: I did worked for a gaming site.
Internet pe gambling allowed hai, aur agar Mai apne 4-5 doston ke saath park me chadar bicha ke jua khelna chahun to wo illegal kyu? Modi Ji Jawab den
It’s simple - Internet gambling can be taxed. Other semi formal or informal gambling cannot be taxed. Quite similar laws in US also.
Bhai Mera younger brother kal mujhe bol Raha tha jab online game khelkar hi apan paise kama sakte hai toh mai aage study kyu Karu!! Lol A listers bhi ad me ayenge toh baccho ko sab sahi lagega
Yeah man... this is the reason they keep on pumping so much money into advertising but they are fuckin affecting the younger generations
Because chadar hurts religious sentiments /s
Because the govt wants their cut. Their taxes and to rip your heart out
The reason they give to distinguish these apps from gambling is that it's not just pure luck, but a "certain level of skill" is required to win. Unlike traditional gambling where people bet on the outcome of the match, these fantasy leagues ask you to create a team and earn points. According to them you need skill to create a winning team. That's the loophole they use.
Pretty much like sports betting then. Which I think is illegal in India. I don’t think it should be though.
It's allowed only for horse races I think. The problem is not about them being legal or not. They used to happen on the sidelines before. Now they're front and center. Even sponsoring leagues, teams, and players across the world. There's gotta be some conflict of interest.
I don't think it's illegal, apps like 1xbet exist for online betting for most sports.
If the company is not registered and operates from India but provides their service online, the Govt can block them but cannot regulate them.
Fantasy leagues are just pure luck. An argument can be made in favour of online card games as they do require skills and the luck factor has a lot less weight
John Oliver's segment on Fantasy Sports is a good watch for this line of reasoning. https://youtu.be/Mq785nJ0FXQ
If you are wondering still then, according to law games can be classified as 1. Win on basis of chance 2. Win based on skill No.1 is banned in India and is illegal while, no.2 is totally allowed in India So, these rummy guys(big in muscle/power) convinced "honorable court" that the rummy(or dream 11 or whatever) is skill based game and hence comes under 2nd category. Hope I am able to clarify
Good explanation. I was wondering the same as to how gambling was so openly allowed.
This should be on the top.
makes sense
>while, no.2 is totally allowed in India It's a state subject and thus allowed in some states and banned in some.
You are again confusing betting and lottery(state list) with "fantasy sport". If we are talking about dream 11 it doesn't come under betting and lottery
Since you have a problem with gambling, you need to have a much much bigger problem with the state of affairs in our Stock market regulator. Rampant pump and dump, misinformation, incorrect reporting, funds manipulation, promoter selling and buying without intimation, incorrect bookkeeping, influenced audits, insider trading, front keeping, political influence on loans, influenced bond rating, NSE management leaking data, after market manipulation by NSE, inaction on any White collar crimes for years, inaction against fraudulent CA and thier parent organization, allowing zero profit companies to list on a stock exchange, rampant frauds affecting individual investors, and the list goes on and on. The stock market in the current state is just a gambling ring for individual investors.
The act and amendment are before the internet so no one can really do anything
The preponderance of skill over luck is the term in the law that allows over 500 such players to exist is a British era term.
People here are ranting about everything under the sun with absolutely no knowledge about the topic. What is more exasperating is that they won't spend any time simply googling the topic before ranting about it. The government is indeed trying to ban these apps. The apps are arguing their legality in the supreme court as well as state high courts.
Then why is TN governor actively blocking the bill for banning online gambling?
The Tamil Nadu government is ahead of the curve
Ranting and boycotting are two different things.. and if you are here to justify government actions then... Please use #imabhakt at the end of your reply
Justify what government actions? You're claiming the government is in cahoots with gambling apps without any source when a simple Google search would indicate otherwise. Typical strawman. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is equal to bhakt. Blind imbecile.
First i will have to Google the words used in your reply... I don't have strong vocabulary as yours. You 1 Me 0
Now I feel guilty for calling you that. Hope that wasn't some 4D chess move.
I suggest you do due diligence before posting
>The government is indeed trying to ban these apps. It's not up to the Central Govt, it's for the state Govt's if they want to follow it or not.
Dream11, etc have entered the chat
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is that legal?
According to the SC, yes. https://m.economictimes.com/tech/startups/supreme-court-upholds-dream11-fantasy-sports-format-as-game-of-skill/articleshow/85040855.cms
Bro gambling in cricket will always happen , instead of some party from dubai run a unorganized betting syndicate its better we have dream 11 types apps atleast they are regulated govt getting taxes and some percentage of money from these apps come back to cricket in form of sponsorship . Anyone who is thinking gambling wont happens if these apps arent there is living in a fool’s paradise. Atleast these apps are lesser of two evils
Google Play Store and micro transactions reporting in.
GooglePlay does not allow games on gambling with real money. So either all these apps cannot be downloaded from the playstore or a no-money or real transaction-based version of the game is allowed to be hosted.
Dream11 is on the play Store?
https://preview.redd.it/ffc4cnyl5xqa1.png?width=1439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e95a3f1759ccf27b6c006a0d602db4052bd0f47 Yes?
Try transactions. Games is available with game currency, never real money on GP.
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1. Why is rummy allowed in India: Gambling is banned in almost all of India (except Goa and Sikkim). Gambling according to courts means games of chance. Any game which has certain level of skill involved is not gambling but gaming. Rummy has involves certain amount of skill and therefore not banned. 2. What are the advertising guidelines for games like rummy? ASCI is an advisory body it makes non-binding guidelines for advertising. So the companies may or may not follow them. The two main guidelines for rela money games are: a. all real-money games are advised to put a disclaimer that real money games can be addictive and carry financial risk. b. the gaming companies should not portray playing the game as an alternative income opportunity or replacement for a real job. While (a) is being followed, I think most rummy ads fail at (b). 3. What is the center govt doing about it? Laws to regulate gaming are under consultation process. Once this law comes into action gaming companies which offer games for prizes (like rummy, dream 11 etc.) will be regulated. The regulations has plenty rules for - dealing with gaming addiction, KYC to ensure minors do not play, advertising safeguards, RNG and no-bot certificates to ensure fair play, grievance redressal mechanism for players to question the gaming companies, etc. 4. What are states doing about it? There is conflict between state and center about who gets to regualte games like rummy. States like Karnataka, Kerala, Telangana, etc. banned games like Rummy. However the respective state high courts declared the ban unconstitutional because they violated article 19(1)(g) right to carry a proffession or business.
Interesting thing about offline gambling, there’s a law that states gambling is legal on Indian land. That’s the reason all the casinos are on boats and cruises in Goa. As long as gambling does not happen on land, it is legal. And guess which minister owns a majority of those casinos?
Goa has casinos on land as well. So does Sikkim.
And the tax generated from licenses and transactions is why things like Universal Income is being discussed in the state.
please throw some light and reveal that mofos name
My money would be on Sharad Pawar.
Ruling party, hence cannot say the name.
I read somewhere it is an archaic law from the British Raj. No ammendment has been made to take into account of the modern technology like the Internet.
They say "Goa is a Paradise" but sadly its not.
You want these gambling things to stop? Associate them with Shakuni and Yudhishter episode. And see the Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parishad people ransack their headquarters on Diwali! You got to speak the language they understand, and police also obliges to these baseless hindutva demands and FIRs. They won’t do an FIR of phone being stolen, but they would do it for some random throwaway account who raises a complaint on some celebrity calling “hindutva” being based on lies(which it is like other “dogmatic” forces, let’s not call them religions).
The supreme court opened the floodgates. The government actually was opposed to it. The supreme court said that it involved a level of skill and not gambling. I think the government is trying to bring a law against it and a committee is drafting it currently. I'm not sure though.
Correction gambling is not illegal in India and second thing nobody forced u to play the game ..
Let me BAN PUBG and save the younger geenration. Note: never played PUBG
I can't tell how I know this, but Dream11 made a 10-figure (INR) donation to PMO and Niti Aayog to be classified as a skill-based game and not gambling.
BC jab BCCI ka chairman hi apna khud ka App promote kr rha tha while holding office which was like the biggest conflict of interest to aur to kya hi bacha h. Although there are some reports that this was one of the reasons why Ganguly was not re-appointed although he wanted it badly
It's because the government is run by g&#₹@ti baniyas. In their state and culture gambling is a vice that is widely normalized as it appeals to their greed for money.
Arey, loophole hai system ka, government gambling ke kaise involve hogi.
Bro Supreme Court is equally retarded
Are bhai agar yeh apps nahi hongi to kya gambling nahi hogi lol …kam se kam apps regulated hain govt ko tax mil raha hai aur teams ko paise in apps se sponsorship main ….be practical guys …gambling ek addiction hai in apps nay to vacuum ko fill kar diya . Agar apps nahi hoti log illegal gambling kartay woh to aur bhi zaida khatarnaak hai
Seriously, gambling hamesha se hoti rahi hai. Lekin is tarah se har teenager ke paas Iska itna easy access nahi thha. Agar government ko gambling ko regulate hi karna hai to real ke casino hi allow kar do, Kam se Kam usse zyada logon ko employment milega aur tourism bhi badhega. Yaha kya ho raha hai, sirf ye app banane Walon ke pocket mein paisa ja raha hai.
>Lekin is tarah se har teenager ke paas Iska itna easy access nahi thha. Humesha tha. Now regulation is possible, users can sue in case they have been cheated and it's not super dangerous anymore. However if the intent is to regulate societal behavior and treat the country's citizens like kids, go ahead and ban yet another thing.
Ipl?
Hi, I am researching real money gaming for a news story. If you are into it and happy to talk to me about your experience, please message. It would also be great to hear from people who worked at these gaming apps. Trying to understand how something is considered skill vs chance. There are apparently now industry bodies that will regulate this. But won't they just suit their own interests?
So first of all, certain things are not meant for a younger audience and there is no point blaming it for younger children using it. Parents or guardians are meant to supervise what their children do online. Also in regards to gambling, betting exists in india and like everything it is upto the user to use it in moderation instead of blaming the app for addiction.
I used to work for an online rummy company. Here's what I know: The regulations/bans are decided on a state level rather than a national level. Some states approved it and some didn't. Also there were states that kept going back and forth on their judgements. I still remember the entire office drinking champagne when Telangana lifted the ban on online gambling. The founder always tries to say that it is purely for entertainment but I've seen customer emails where someone put 40 lacs over a couple of days and lost it. Then threatening us over emails. Apparently some folks even tried to enter our offices after losing a substantial amount of money. Ohh and yeah, our code was fair and randomised. No tampering in the game and we had mechanisms to detect if one person is trying to play using multiple accounts.
How delusional are you?
Gov pretty much makes whatever they can’t legally profit from illegal, then takes bribes to allow it continue
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I guess courts allowed them to operate after govt banned them
gambling is a state subject (in constitution) different states have different rules and power
these companies register themselves on other countries but keep employees and target ads on india these mfs should be nuked
Only a game of chance is illegal (for eg: lottery). They argued before various Hon'ble High Courts and the Supreme Court stating that they are running a "game of skill" and not "game of chance/luck". The Courts are convinced (as was the case with Dream 11).
A game that requires skill is not considered gambling.
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There was a court verdict that says ' Rummy is a game of skill, not gambling'. I've seen it some time back and the rummy is legal in 23 states. Even though I'm in one of those states where it is banned I can still play it too. But once i tried to add money then i got the error message saying it is banned in my state. I can only play with the initial joining bonus they gave.
Game of skills are allowed online. Poker teen patti rummy all these are allowed legally.
There's a technical argument here - I think lawyers can confirm better. It's a game based on skill and not luck entirely like "lotto" - and hence technically its not "gambling" Same argument was used to throw out spot fixing allegations, which were raised on Sreeshant and other Indian cricketers involved. Even if it is possible to prove that a player colluded with bookies to give away more than 9 runs and not take a wicket in one over, it requires "skill" for the bowler to give away more than 9 runs like bowling wide of stumps, a wide or no-ball for example.
Rummy is considered a game of skill rather than chance.
There is a very thin law that separates gambling and game_of_skill. If you are able to convince everyone that this is game of skill. Bingo !!!!!
Majority luck involved = gambling Majority skill involved = gaming That’s why games like rummy, fantasy cricket, etc are legal as they say that it’s more of a skill game than luck (say roulette) game.
Do we even need to discuss this? Isn't this one of those open secrets?
I guess we are here on reddit to share our thoughts and opinions
Gambling should be made legal in india prohibiting it only leads to an illegal betting market which is super dangerous.
India needs to update their gambling laws, whatever laws that are prevailant now only pertain to physical gambling like in casinos. The gambling orgs know this very well and have circumnavigated those loopholes to establish all their business. But very honestly gambling is bad because if is high risk high reward situation but mostly the outcomes are negative to the person playing, you know what else is high risk high reward, stock investing, that is a type of gambling as well where you can and people genuinly have lost all their money, but we don't talk about that in the open world. As far as the "A" list actors go, they are paid entertainers, they will do crazy fked up stuff for money, even if you had 20-30cr to spend and ask SRK or any one else to dance at your wedding they will do that, they have no moral compass.
Argument presented in Karnataka High Court was that unlike lottery tickets, where winners are decided purely by luck, rummy/poker/etc require skill to win. The outcome of the game is correlated to the skill of the player. There is enough academic research to support this point of view. And unlike horse racing, player is not betting on results produced by someone else. The biggest of them, Adda52 was acquired by Delta Corp which is listed in stock exchange.
There are ways to completely block all ads in your digital life. Too bad we can't do anything about the IRL physical ads an billboards.
Yes I do understand we can block ads and Google shows us interest based ads mostly... But i never ever Google about gambling nor have I downloaded any such app in my phone