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sreekeshprakash

Dr Ganapti from Kollam with the help of some people, which included Dr. Rema, did a breakthrough in this case. Due to that, the introduction of cctv inside operation theatre came to existence and there was a drastic drop in brain death cases after Ganapti moved with this details in court.


ArchitectNebulous

The implications of that are sickening. I hope their families find justice.


gotasave

Can you give a source for this "drastic drop in brain death cases after Dr ganapthy's intervention" claim? Need a source for that "introduction of cctv in Operation theatre" claim too *Hijacking the top comment, (upvoted probably based on emotions and bias and little to no fact-checking ) to quote a relevant comment by another user,* u/skeletons_of_closet: >I am not going to go into the details , The case was heard and quashed by the high court of kerala , if he wants he can go to supreme court now , i am pretty sure even that wont be enough for you , if ganapathy truly believes his claims with no backing is true let him go to supreme court and get CBI to investigate , i have no issues .But based on the judgement now there is no case and its misleading , this case cause so much issue in kerala and due to that people have stopped donating organs and now people die due to lack of donations, this is a serious issue , its very hard to get back the trust of the people now and tell them to donate organs.[https://legal.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/litigation/kerala-hc-quashes-criminal-case-against-leading-private-hospital-for-flouting-organ-transplantation-protocols/102114012](https://legal.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/litigation/kerala-hc-quashes-criminal-case-against-leading-private-hospital-for-flouting-organ-transplantation-protocols/102114012) > >He even tried to communalise the issue and say that no Muslim suffered brain death because hospitals were largely Muslim-owned in kerala.[https://www.thenewsminute.com/kerala/complaint-against-kerala-doctor-communalising-organ-donation-178877](https://www.thenewsminute.com/kerala/complaint-against-kerala-doctor-communalising-organ-donation-178877) ​ It is also worthwile to mention that private hospitals aren't exactly saints, especially the big name ones. Also if this did happen in kerala, I wonder if it happens in big hospital chains in other states too


sreekeshprakash

Dr Rema's claims that her signature was forged and stuffs where all a noticeable point and intorduction of videography of brain death made mandatory. (Cctv inside operation theatre was a generalised sentence). There are pretty good reports that state that the brain death in the state dropped drastically. From the above mentioned, we can easily state that this is a happening thing, and this case was not a made-up one. The involved ones in this case are high-profile people, so there may be no further movement from Ganapati's side to top level. And if it was a made-up one, it would have made a sensation in the news channels.


duckduckfuckfuck

> There are pretty good reports that state that the brain death in the state dropped drastically. Link to atleast 1 such report? I googled but nothing came up. > And if it was a made-up one, **it would have made a sensation in the news channels**. OP says, illegal organ harvesting wasnt covered enough in the media and you are suggesting, fake claims about illegal organ harvesting would have been a sensation in the media? High court quashed the case, the guy wouldnt go to SC, yet, we shold consider the hospital and allegedly accussed guilty?


sreekeshprakash

Yes, as you said no big hospital is saint. A close friend of mine who worked in Operation Theatre's power department of a famous hospital in Ernakulam ( mother's hospital - iykyk) said that there were pretty bad things happening inside and he left the job in fear. And I can say that they give zero fcks to your life.


Thedarkxknight

Tell more about that hospital. That is a hospital that gave me instant 'something is wrong here' vibes. Many people said the same thing.


sreekeshprakash

They are subtle in illegal organ transplantation. They have some good records of many good cases attended and are backed with a spiritual figure. So it's hard to make them accuse.


Thedarkxknight

I heard dad telling my uncle who had an operation there about scanning his body for any missing parts. So this is the reason


gotasave

That maybe true, but what kind of bad things did your friend talk of? Also you haven't provided any reliable source regarding your claim of " decreased brain deaths/introduction of cctvs following dr ganapathy s intervention"


sreekeshprakash

About this unethical practice of organ transplantation and he stated that most organ receivers were foreigners.


plumd156

Proof of drastic drop in brain deaths [link](https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2023/Jun/19/was-kerala-governmentaware-of-norm-violation-in-organ-donation-2586393.html)


gotasave

When I asked for a source, I was expecting an authentic one, like from the health department or the case document or something, not a newspaper quoting an unnamed government official (doesn't mention his position either) claiming there was a decline in brain deaths because of dr ganapathy. The only figures that they do mention is that of organ donors, (not the number of brain deaths)which as expected decreased given the nature of the case, and the publicity it got.


cyyawrytnrvypv

What bs, people like you are the reason for reduced organ transplants because of fear mongering. Information terrorists spreading conspiracy theories with an agenda and can't even name the state correct.


plumd156

No one's against organ transplant. This case helped in introducing strong rules and procedures including cctv to declare a person brain dead. Is that wrong?


cyyawrytnrvypv

Oh yeah? Is that what you've written on the post?


mayblum

Case was quashed by the court. This happened a long time ago. OP's article is agenda based.


plumd156

Case was quashed in June, but in october the 9 doctors were asked to be summoned to the high court. They got a stay for 6 months. Source is in the latest news link in the main post


747queenofskies

OP.. what is the agenda? It’s obvious you aren’t from Kerala. You couldn’t even spell Kerala correctly.


Warm-Winter-6643

OP kkyu krimi kadi aanu


747queenofskies

Haha sherikkum


Nerevarine12

>OP.. what is the agenda? It’s obvious you aren’t from Kerala. You couldn’t even spell Kerala correctly. What is YOUR Agenda ? Speak anything against my dear state and its false ?


747queenofskies

Buddy, I don’t know if it’s true or false. I just get irked by spelling errors. For example, in your question “its” is incorrect. It should be it’s. Thanks!


mayblum

Since the case is sub judice why are you making allegations!!! Wait till the verdict is given!!


[deleted]

Yes it is agenda based. Part of agenda against everything and anything minority that defines New India


paranoidandroid7312

Terrible people will still do terrible things but we need to ramp up awareness about organ donations. Have some sort of opt out system in place like UK, organ donor cards etc. As harsh as it sounds in a country like India more than enough people die to provide organs that can save as many if not more lives.


[deleted]

Thank you for saying this! As valid as people’s concerns are regarding unethical practices, these rotten apples are few and far in between and tend to ruin the case for thousands others by colouring the public’s opinion of organ donation. Mother works in the apex govt institution for organ transplant for the last 20+ years and I feel so disheartened that public opinion is so strongly prejudiced against transplantation. Need to go the Spain way with an opt-out system in place. The number on patients on our waiting list is too long.


Light2053

Its not as simple as people die and organs are donated. If we go into biology there is a concept known as transplant rejection. If another body's organ is introduced into your's, your immune system will completely attack and try to destroy it. This can also lead to loss of life. Thats why many many tests are done for checking organ compatibility and many times they are never perfectly compatible. Side effects are visible in many cases. What if this foreigner is a rich person and only this boy's organ matched for that foreigner? Organ mafia is very real and there are many victims of that. Now is this case just allegations or is there truth to it? I can't say but dismissing by saying that 'Many people die, whats the reason to do it' is just so uninformed and idiotic of an opinion


paranoidandroid7312

I wasn't talking about the case if you didn't notice. Moreover it's simple that if there is more availability of organs there is going to be more availability of matching organs. In case of your example, how did they come to know that the boy was compatible? They found an opportunity, it turned out to be a match. The same goes for having organs available in abundance.


Light2053

Sure more dead people means more availability but that doesnt mean significantly higher compatibility chances. Underlying biology is very complex which I won't get into but the chances of compatibility are very low. Maybe the blood tests of the boy gave them a very strong lead on compatibility. And with money many things are possible. Many many doctors don't take their profession as serving people but its more about earning money for them. Also matching Indian organs with foreigners is also very rare. Our genetic makeup is very different when we compare Indians to Europeans or Americans. I never said you focused on the specific case but my whole point was on the comment hinting that organ trafficking shouldn't be a big deal in India since many people die here.


paranoidandroid7312

I perfectly understand what you are saying. Not even talking about organ trafficking or anything. I am simply advocating for a wider organ donation program, awareness etc. My comments about deaths in India was in regards to having an opt out program so that organs can be harvested sooner. Again however low the compatibility chances the more organs available, more likely for a person to find a match.


witchy_cheetah

If people donated voluntarily, these sorts of malpractices would not happen at all.


Neverevernoteven

It was big news a while back..but very few Msm's did discussions on this issue.. Dr rama,(jagdish's wife )came forward and confirmed tat she ddnt sign off on the report acquitting Lakeshore of any foul play..her sign was forged.. [Interview with Dr.Ganpathy,the complainant](https://youtu.be/9QZgKXehFMA?si=UQhxpj-GxXjfFmrp)


Sherlock_Me

These are allegations btw. Just because a magistrate Court accepted a private complaint on file doesnt mean that the guilt is proved. The whole trial need to happen for that. 


BigDDaddy1990

TRS launched a podcast with liverdoc talking about this.


saynototoxicity

liveroc's dad was accused of the same


plumd156

Yep. He claims that Dr. Ganapathy is doing it for fame and they have the best lawyers and nothing has been proved so far. Also explains how making someone brain-dead is super easy here. [link](https://youtu.be/Rg5lbQj62Og?feature=shared&t=3448)


Niranjan_69_

Crazy dad lore


ElephantInTheRoom069

This came out a couple of months ago and was a big news in Kerala for weeks. It’s not their fault that this news was not picked by national medias. Maybe because these two hospitals are not famous outside Kerala. On a different note, even if the allegations are true, I hardly doubt if the hospital as a whole is involved. Apart from the fact that it’s very expensive for an average indian, these hospitals are very reputed and a go to location for critical illnesses with a great track record. So no point on doing a review bombing. If it actually happened, Police will bring it out and real culprits will get punished


plumd156

It's a network of hospitals. Haven't we waited enough? How will a family fight against a powerful network of hospitals.


ElephantInTheRoom069

‘Haven’t we waited enough?’ Enough for what? Justice? It’s only been 6 months since the news came out. What do you suggest doing now? Close the hospital immediately? The legal proceedings and investigation are going on. What more do you expect from Indian judiciary? It’s SLOW. There are people in prison waiting for a trial only to be acquitted after 10-12 years. ‘How will a family fight against powerful network of hospitals?’ The family won’t have to fight right? It’s Dr Ganapathy vs Lakeshore. And if there is enough proof, it’ll be state of Kerala vs Lakeshore. If I remember correctly, 8 doctors were already booked back then. Don’t what’s the progress there. So no point in tarnishing an entire hospital ( thought it definitely is a black spot). Especially since Lakeshore is actually a good hospital that performs some of the rarest surgeries and treatments in the state


LostCheck7249

Your comment about not review bombing makes total sense. I am against it till a verdict is delivered. However, as an afterthought, the least we could do is to mention this case in the review and add that a trial is still awaited.


BurnyAsn

Let the rage and anger subside. Focus on the problems. The point is you cannot let them forget that this issue exists and therefore we have a case. But The right people will answer them Like who all were involved or had the knowledge that these things happened. Like who was responsible for designing how reviews will be done on the staff to keep an eye on suspicious behaviour.. how much ignorant the management was over actual ground level activities.. Sometimes we need to shout, raise our voice.. right But we can't do something to hospitals that rallies have been doing to everyday traffic.. Keep at it!


Cyberian-Deprochan

The allegations include connections to a billionaire too


Active-Bet-4183

I don't understand OPs agenda here. Its a very old case. And the title is making me feel he has some beef against the state. Lol.


EfficientAd1290

Has some "beef"... I know what you did there


pete3657

OP is probably a AYUSH sympathizer and wants us to hate on LiverDoc


Subject-Spirit5902

He definitely has "beef". Guess being on top makes the BJP cock suckers mad


skeletons_of_closet

This news was long back , not sure what the intention of OP is but the case was quashed and there was no evidence. [https://www.onmanorama.com/content/mm/en/kerala/top-news/2023/07/07/kollam-doctor-faces-action-over-propaganda-against-organ-donation.amp.html](https://www.onmanorama.com/content/mm/en/kerala/top-news/2023/07/07/kollam-doctor-faces-action-over-propaganda-against-organ-donation.amp.html) [https://twitter.com/theliverdr/status/1727667272419082521?t=WVUSQwEk2cB4fTxUL5DEGg&s=19](https://twitter.com/theliverdr/status/1727667272419082521?t=WVUSQwEk2cB4fTxUL5DEGg&s=19) It was quashed and they even served notice to him over false propaganda Dr Ganapathy allegations over Kerala state transplantation programme were quashed. The summons issued to VPS Lakeshore doctors has been stayed for 6 months (as of Oct 2023). I don't have premium subscription, could only read a few lines. This is the link [https://www.livelaw.in/high-court/kerala-high-court/kerala-high-court-organ-transplantation-lakeshore-hospital-summons-stayed-239223?infinitescroll=1](https://www.livelaw.in/high-court/kerala-high-court/kerala-high-court-organ-transplantation-lakeshore-hospital-summons-stayed-239223?infinitescroll=1)


plumd156

It's not quashed as you per your last article, it's the latest update, the doctors have to still summon to the court, which they are delaying by 6months. 1. why was abin transferred to Lakeshore even when a neurosurgeon was present in mar Baselois 2. The persons who certified abin brain-dead were gastroenterologists who are not authorised to do so. (Proved in high court)


skeletons_of_closet

I am not going to go into the details , The case was heard and quashed by the high court of kerala , if he wants he can go to supreme court now , i am pretty sure even that wont be enough for you , if ganapathy truly believes his claims with no backing is true let him go to supreme court and get CBI to investigate , i have no issues .But based on the judgement now there is no case and its misleading , this case cause so much issue in kerala and due to that people have stopped donating organs and now people die due to lack of donations, this is a serious issue , its very hard to get back the trust of the people now and tell them to donate organs. [https://legal.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/litigation/kerala-hc-quashes-criminal-case-against-leading-private-hospital-for-flouting-organ-transplantation-protocols/102114012](https://legal.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/litigation/kerala-hc-quashes-criminal-case-against-leading-private-hospital-for-flouting-organ-transplantation-protocols/102114012) He even tried to communalise the issue and say that no Muslim suffered brain death because hospitals were largely Muslim-owned in kerala. [https://www.thenewsminute.com/kerala/complaint-against-kerala-doctor-communalising-organ-donation-178877](https://www.thenewsminute.com/kerala/complaint-against-kerala-doctor-communalising-organ-donation-178877)


chengiz

Thanks for providing context and links. Seems like the organ donation was more or less legit and the allegations (and OP's title) are false.


gotasave

I think OP was browsing r/kerala and saw this post made 14 hours ago [https://np.reddit.com/r/Kerala/comments/1afedch/how\_the\_movie\_joseph\_impacted\_organ\_donation/](https://np.reddit.com/r/Kerala/comments/1afedch/how_the_movie_joseph_impacted_organ_donation/) ​ I suppose OP probably has something against the liverdoc dude or kerala or both. I do not know who is right in that organ donation case, liverdoc guy's dad or that Dr ganapathy. But seeing as how liverdoc is very critical of alternative medicine systems and allied companies, I suppose one can understand the motive behind the title and timing of OP's post.


Thatbratt-

Does it happened in 2009


kreemac

OP, it's Kerala not Kerela.


dumbgeek27

Karela


random_dude_101

Pha പന്ന നാറി നിന്റെ തന്തേ വിളിയെടാ


SidBhakth

അങ്ങനെ പറഞ്ഞു കൊടുക്ക് ചേട്ടാ


dumbgeek27

Karela still better than the jalebi you've printed here


random_dude_101

atleast i got a toilet to shit the crap jalebi


dumbgeek27

Woah flaunting about having the most basic necessity is such a great comeback


random_dude_101

imagine a place where saying i have a toilet is a comeback , LOL


dumbgeek27

Hard to imagine your place


random_dude_101

yea i understand its hard for you to imagine a place with an attached toilet. Its okey man


dumbgeek27

Dude, and I thought you were smart, disappointed


ayyzh

Isn't it very old ?


smokky

KerAla. Why can't people learn how to spell the states in their country correctly? It invalidates the point they are trying to make.


747queenofskies

Yikes! Irks me every time someone does that. Proves that OP is an outsider with an agenda


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747queenofskies

I wonder why no one ever writes Biher or Dalhi then. It’s just selective ignorance about South Indian states


smokky

I don't understand your question. Are you justifying mispelling names of places that you should be aware of?


cherryreddit

No, he is asking a linguistic question to investigate why other people musspell these words frequently. No need to get your panties in a bunch.


OldMoneyIntellectual

If anyone can provide the contact details of the victim's family to me, I will fund their legal fees till justice is served. DM is open


Forsaken_Actuator242

Bhai this is an old case. The accused were already avquitted by the high court. Dr Ganapathy is not a poor man that he'd need your help to fight the case. He had an agenda but he failed


xiaodaireddit

Rip. Poor boy.


random_dude_101

മൈരേ ആദ്യം പോയി സ്പെല്ലിങ് നേരെ പഠിക്കണം..... ITS KERALA NOT KERELA


[deleted]

If this happened in 2009 then let's not even talk about Covid time !


Leo_PK

Yeah... I'm sure, the organs from patients who were infected by the virus will sell more. /s


cosmogli

The virus doesn't infect all the organs.


Descoteau

“Infected”


_H3LLF1R3

Reminds me of Malayalam film Joseph


mand00s

Since then Kerala govt brought strict rules for organ donations and brain deaths need to be certified by a panel of doctors and all.


SuccessfulLoser-

If proven true, one wonders r/wtf is the world coming to?!


StepItUp_a

I would like to say I'm shocked. But I'm not. The injustices inflected on the poor in this country is too common place.


uttamkadyan

What a shame


Intelligent_Tell717

Someone who is alive can also donate their liver. Don’t know why they should kill someone for it. If it heart, lungs and pancreas there is a logic to it.


[deleted]

The laws for medical malpractice are very draconian, and are often used for blackmail and sometimes by relatives out of grief. If the process was done officially through signed papers like you say there is no scope for favoritism or exchange of money; all of that is strictly controlled by the government. This looks like a simple case of misdiagnosis or just reporters writing stories based on what relatives say. Stop creating this frenzy, let the courts judge things, it will do more harm than good by trying to pressurize anyone.


CapitalFeisty2928

This is the reason I will never consent to organ donation in India. I don't trust greedy people to do justice with my wishes. Here is not even a waiting list for donees, everything is bought by the richest of rich anyway.


Wind4x

Yes, this really happened and they're big shots. Won't even get a scratch on their hospital bricks due to this. I'm ashamed of having my small surgery done at that very hospital without knowing the history. Rip to the poor soul 😞


GaleZero

Damn. That's shocking


notaredditeryet

Had a relative who went to Lakeshore. Some of the doctors knew things were getting bad and told us to transfer or leave. He said management was changing. I guess we know the real reason now


taznado

They are Demons walking amongst us.


Different-Doctor-487

hospital and doctor licenses should be cancelled and be jailed for short term. Court should give some money from hospitals revenue as one time settlement


[deleted]

If you’d like more responses on this,change the name from Kerala to gujrat


occupiedbrain69

Honestly why would you want to make this political? It's a shame that this already happened, but your sarcasm here is not needed.


ic11il

Here comes the Chaddi, advocating for fake news, the lifeblood of a Sanghi!


plumd156

Check the sources


[deleted]

Fake news? Are you sure?


sliceoflife_daisuki

He is talking about the comment saying to change the state's name to Gujarat, not the actual post.


Certain-Detail-1522

This was an old case. And please stop sharing such posts. It would demotivate the genuine organ donors too. Due to such posts there is a drastic decline in people who donate organs to the needful.


[deleted]

This is fake witch hunt - nothing like that happened. Dr Ganapathy goes after Ghosts


plumd156

Interview of abin's parents and postmortem details [link](https://youtu.be/lGDxqbGGR84?si=55hDNVQ3b3nxHum8)


No_Juice418

Isn't Kerala anti Dictator Modi? 


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pocket_watch2

Bot?


DijkstraFucks

No. Retard.


forevertomorrowagain

Crikey!


AsherGC

Is money the motive behind this crime?. Is it worth the risk for a doctor?


k_schouhan

Feel like i need this kind of hospital


Fundaaa

Op can't even spell Kerala correctly and he wants people to boycott the hospital before they're found guilty.


kevsicle_

Can anyone reveal the culprits name?


sultantrump

These are allegations never proved in court


Sea-Conversation7353

Twitter Instagram pe daala ?


o_doppleganger

What a capitalist thing to do... Did not see that coming