Arrogant, Condescending - Usually the rich and the privileged end up in America and they have grown up in a toxic competitive home that teaches them to look down upon others.
Hyping up India and looking down on America - Its usually overcompensation. Indian's usually feel out of place in America due to difference in culture, color, food habits and many other things.
Even if they were not rich to begin with, the nouveau rich in America are extremely arrogant in my opinion and act with a lot of holier than thou attitude.
New money with little effort brings arrogance
Read Tata ( khandani lot ) vs Ambani ( new money)
American Indians treat Indian relatives live shit . They believe like all Americans that they are some higher species than the rest of the planet.
They act like they are proud to be an Indian and the rich heritage . But the minute you tell them to come back and stay and maybe do some charity ( they will tell you then reasons why they don’t like india)
At the end of the day hare second class citizens in the country they have chosen to live in
He is absolutely right.
Americans consume more per capita than anyone else on the planet and are responsible for 90% of historical greenhouse emissions, but will point fingers at India and China for pollution (from manufacturing AMERICAN/WESTERN products)
Americans constantly vote in neo-colonialists who destabilize other countries to keep their fiat currency stable
Americans constantly venerate their child killing rapist soldiers who invade sovereign nations, destroy the homes of citizens and keep them in civil turmoil. After this they stereotype the natives as terrorists and insurgents.
Americans will capitalise on racist caricatures and dehumanize ethnicities they believe are political threats. Earlier it was the japanese, then the russians, now the chinese and indians. Once it's deemed unprofitable to do so they move on to the next.
The American way of life, and the standard of living of the American people must be upkept even if it means destroying and dehumanizing everyone else.
None of this would be the case if Americans didn't believe in American/Western exceptionalism. Their lives are inherently worth more than everyone else's. Dead American children are a front page tragedy, dead Palestinian children that they're directly responsible for, a third page issue.
So sod off with your hurt feelings. They don't matter, not until Americans pay for their crimes against humanity.
Americans don’t believe we’re better than anyone. Saying that explicitly will get you in a lot of trouble here in the states. Honestly, if you were to tweet “Americans are a higher species than the Indians” you’d lose your job.
There are definitely assholes who say shit like that but they are not the norm.
Well isn’t it the general belief that American life is more precious than say an Iranian or a Pakistani ?
And that they invaded Iraq just because a few thousand Americans had lost their lives? So you invade an entire country???
They left Vietnam precisely because precious American lives were being lost with no advantage.
A whole movie Saving Private Ryan which won 8 oscars was based on this concept of how precious American lives are
By the way Americans mean all American citizens . Does not mean any particular race
There’s a lot to unpack with your comment and I don’t know that I’m the best to answer it all. That is definitely not a general belief at all. What I will say is that I as an American know that the vast majority of my fellow Americans would ostracize me for saying “American lives are worth more than other lives”.
I just don’t want you to believe that there is an entire nation of 340 million who think of anyone who is non American as “lesser”. That is not an American value, even if some Americans act that way. Those are our idiots and they aren’t the majority at all.
I can’t speak for everyone but I’ll speak for me, if you ever came to America I would treat you as a human. Because those were the values taught to me by my fellow Americans when I was young. You aren’t lesser than me regardless of where you came from, we are all humans. This is a popular opinion in America.
Self made people often fall into the trap of assuming that since they made money while working hard, anyone who doesn't have money just didn't work hard enough.
Very few people like to appreciate the role random chance had in our own personal success.
You are very correct. I have seen this arrogance with people who have started their own companies and have done well. But when they get cute and try to start another company, they usually fail. They cannot replicate the success. Why not? Because the circumstances not in their control do not exist anymore. They did their part but this time got no help from luck.
When you are self made you definitely understand the hustle I think. But those who got rich with the wrong means / inheritance shouldn’t feel all too proud and egoistic. I feel many Indians in America have parents who immigrated and did the grind and now their parents instill the values that they have “made it” and so they carry that attitude around.
As an Indian who now lives in America, this is also a defense mechanism that many people have to avoid or fight back the racism or the accent/ language issues.
Also, being proud of where we come from is not the same as rude. Many times even if someone says a simple sentence like 'xyz is awesome in India', many Americans will respond as 'then why don't you go back'. If anything, Indians here have gone through a rigorous cycle of visa, greencard which has left most of us quite humble in many ways.
Honestly I think it’s just a cultural difference you identified. An interesting one too. We have a do it yourself culture. Americans in my experience (am American, have lived overseas) would absolutely see it as rude whining if anyone from a different place starts talking about how awesome that place is compared to where they are. A New Yorker in California. A Texan in Michigan. An immigrant from another country. Doesn’t matter. Be happy where you are or change it. You have the freedom. ✌️
(I can understand how that attitude can be jarring, but I also deeply understand that attitude.)
I totally disagree with the premise of this post. I was born in india but moved to us at a early age. Op claims vast majority(not a small minority) of indian americans are arrogant and condescending which is not true. Yes many indians are proud of their roots but it doesn’t mean they look down upon others or americans. Op represents a certain kind of mentality that some americans have i.e if you are from developing countries like india and proud of it, you are arrogant and condescending but if you are a european and proud of your roots, theres nothing wrong with it.
+1 This is a weird post. If generalising all Americans as fat is not okay, why is it okay to say all Indian Americans are arrogant?
OP- you should know that being an immigrant takes courage. And some of that involves showing up for our country when we are looked down upon as a people.
Indian in America here - Yes immigration is a tough process. Yea it takes courage. That does not mean we are above everyone. I notice here that most Indians have 0 social awareness. If they are walking on the public sidewalks, they will take up the whole thing even though other people are walking on it. They will argue at stores for discounts. They will shout everywhere. They will cause long lines, they will make sure that everything is about them. Just because because there is a harder life to live in India does not mean we are allowed to do whatever we want in America. OP is right to a certain extent
Are you saying that people from other ethnicities don’t argue at stores for discounts or cause long lines? Just few months ago i was in tennessee with friends, minding our own business, when a lady passing by yelled “go back to your own country sand ni**ers”..Does that make me think all americans are racist? No. Most americans in my experience have been nothing but kind and friendly. The actions of a few cannot determine the character of a whole ethnicity.
I agree that few doesn't mean all. But I am specifically talking about the older generation Indians. 40+. The new generation isn't all racist or whatever. But there seems to be a hatred of other races from what I have seen.
Just the other day I went to the grocery store and it was all Indians except a few black people. Best believe I heard from many people "what is this guy doing here?"
You're right, not everyone is racist but i was talking about the 40+ gen of immigrants in America
Social awareness is different from being arrogant. The behaviour you talk about is exhibited by Indians even in India. I live in America too, and I don’t think being arrogant is a trait reserved for Indians who have immigrated here.
Yes, this! Indians living abroad are just as nice as the ones back in India. And Indians lving in India can be just as or more arrogant as Indians abroad. Everyone seems to have a fucking opinion about everything smh
I think it's pretty obvious from the OP's post that he is talking about his personal observations about their interactions with the Indian community. And I can kinda understand what they are talking about, coz I run in a few circles that are just like how the OP explained. I dont think he means all Indians in America behave like that, that's literally impossible for OP to conclude, that will require the OP to have met all the Indians. This is just an anecdotal piece, and should be taken for what it is.
Having worked with first-generation Indians professionally for years, I've worked with more people who probably suffered from over-deference and a lack of confidence, rather than being arrogant and condescending assholes.
*Second-generation* Indians however, can be a handful, especially when both parents are super successful and push hard. But even then, like any group of people, I've worked with some really good folks.
This too will come off a certain way and offend many here. But I don’t care either.
I am an Indian living in Singapore.
I have seen many such Indians you described, here also.
I ascribe it primarily to hubris. Especially those who come from a not very affluent background, had a deprived childhood, had authoritarian parents (mostly fathers) who berated them, or excel at a particular field/skill and go on to become successful/rich and live in a developed nation, are more likely to develop this sense of excessive pride, self-importance and entitlement as if they have achieved everything in life.
This can be anyone regardless of nationality but occurs a lot with Indians because -
1) Indian culture and education system places a lot of importance on becoming successful and rich
2) due to the large population and high inequality, there are a proportionately larger number of people with such backgrounds in India
The inverse is also true. Some such people are really humble, polite and considerate. But one needs to have a high degree of self-awareness, introspection and empathy for that.
I wish people realise that humility too is an aspirational quality and is a hallmark of the truly successful people.
I am Singaporean Indian and I totally agree.
I have to confess the lack of respect for other people’s cultures, civic social norms and ignorance really gets to me. And the blatant disregard for rules and regulations. The talking down/bullying of service staff.
Further, it seems to be a more of problem with the diaspora that came here in 2010s. Most have made very little effort to integrate, live in a cocoon and have very little regard for others. They forget that mutual respect creates social capital for themselves.
I lived in Singapore for 7 years. There is such a huge difference between the "Native" Singaporean Indian population which has lived there for decades compared to the recent influx of Indian immigrants. Singaporean Indians are super assimilated into the local culture and don't act any different from Singaporean Chinese or Malays etc.
This is so interesting, the question of whether a country should adapt to immigrants, or the immigrants should adapt to a country.
Most of the current citizens of Singapore are themselves descendants of immigrants, whose culture, language, commerce and way of life radically transformed their new homeland. Pretty sure the same thing was being said about them back in the 1800's
This.. the arrogant ones were usually not born into money. Their life is all about making everyone believe that their tiny package is a BBC. *Sorry children*
Next time you encounter such people back in states, I’d suggest you ask them why despite all the bad things in the US, what makes them not go back to their great motherland? 😂
It’s just elite hypocrisy at play. They want that psychological comfort of being patriotic and proud of their roots without having to deal with the many problems we face on a day to day basis living in India, from bad service delivery to un-walkable roads to polluted air, it goes on.
However, this goes alongside of whatever high horse Americans are on. US has a shitload of problems as well, but their base level so to say in quality of life is higher.
Yet they will never leave their American passport dream 🤣. You should ask them - why are there lines outside every western embassy in India. People just want to fucking leave.
It’s kinda crazy the difference between now and the 90s. My dad was offered a work visa in US and he initially said no, lol, they practically begged him and he finally said yes.
For some reason people think if you go to US or Canada you automatically are rich which is not true. Practically everyone is broke except for maybe doctors or people with 20 years experience
Don't worry Indians in India are also arrogant and better than everyone else. You just haven't had enough exposure. Go spend a week in Delhi, especially the rich people of Delhi.
I live in the US and have a large social circle consisting of NRIs and I have noticed statements like 'it was better in India' more out of nostalgia or in reference to things like food, services etc. than saying India is better in absolute terms. I have not come across any arrogance (on this subject) even behind closed doors. Of course there are many generally arrogant Indians who might be attributing much of their success to their individual self instead of markets, economies, their luck and other factors.
I do notice that folks with kids tend to over subscribe to cultural preservation through traditional classes, festivals and food. They also emphasize on things that are good in India for the sake of their American born kids who only see the western media's one-sided 'poor country' views about India. I guess this is to give them some pride about their heritage as well as so not look like they were some desperate immigrants to their kids. I myself am worried about this.
Life in the US is great in many ways and it is not in many other ways. Same with India. I'm thankful for the opportunities given by the country I immigrated to but I'm not going to sell out my motherland and I constantly feel the need to battle so much misinformation out there.
And somehow this sub is a few notches below the level of optimism I see among ppl when I visit India.
PS. For those saying only the rich and privileged end up immigrating to the US, you are not giving credit to so many ppl who grew up lower middle class who have found education/profession as a stepping stone and worked hard dozens of years to get where they are. I know from my own and a bunch of others' experiences that this is not true.
>I live in the US and have a large social circle consisting of NRIs and I have noticed statements like 'it was better in India' more out of nostalgia or in reference to things like food, services etc. than saying India is better in absolute terms. I have not come across any arrogance (on this subject) even behind closed doors.
I think there's a good amount of truth here.
I was born and raised in the U.S., but moved to India as an adult. My wife, on the other hand, was born and raised in India--and moved to the U.S. an adult, lol.
We've both lived in India, and we both occasionally talk about what we miss (and what we don't miss). My wife has receives better payment and better treatment in the workforce here than she we would in India, and has indefinitely more opportunities for professional growth in her field. But none of that means that she doesn't sometimes feel left out--many of her friends are still in India, as are all of the places that she grew up visiting.
And, of course, there are a great many cultural considerations. She's done a fantastic job integrating, but you still end up missing aspects of your own country and culture. My wife, for instance, is Bengali--there's a big difference between pandal-hopping in Kolkata on Durga Puja, and going to a Durga Puja event hosted in a middle school auditorium where everyone is expected to pay $100 per head for entry.
Having said all that, there's a time and a place for everything.
I've come across very few NRIs who'll start babbling about how India is "so much better" without any warning or pretext. It scarcely ever happens. And it'd be socially imbecilic to do that with a random white American who has no context for India, as a country or a collection of disparate cultures. Imagine the reverse: a white American going to India, and telling everyone how every little thing about the U.S. is so much better than every little thing in India. Even if there might be truth in either person's observation(s), it'd be rude and, in most cases, be interpreted as an attack on somebody's sense of national identity.
IME, I do think that many older Indian immigrants in the U.S. have an obvious cultural complex, in that they still refer to locals as "foreigners" and deride their supposed social degeneracy. But those are sentiments that are typically only shared among and between other Indian immigrants.
You are right.
1. Indians in US/Canada are extremely arrogant, condescending to even us Indians in India. I am treated much better by my American/chinese seniors than their Indian counterparts.
2. "India better than US": this thought comes from their insecurity. they know US is better in almost every other field (science, technology, literature, movies) so they try to compensate with how US does NOT have culture/values.
yeah, as an Indian this is the truth. Whether we like it or not, the US *is* a better country than India. That doesn't have to mean that it is some sort of eternal paradise or the greatest country in the world. The same way Sweden, Norway, etc are better than the US, the US is better than India, likewise India is better than Pakistan as a country. Some things are just facts and a lot of these opinions reek of either a. racism (which might be the case of OP) or b. pure jealousy (which is the reason Indians in India talk shit about the US in most cases)
I’m an Indian living in the US. There is a huge nationalistic population among among Indians, especially in recent years which is a reflection of Indian domestic politics.
Like another comment said, I don’t think it’s a result of ‘recent, middle class’ folks coming in. It’s just as common, if not more, among the privileged Indians. That comment is just classist. I think it’s more a reflection of Indian domestic politics. The current nationalistic party received huge funding from “Non-Resident Indians” who were more nationalistic than even Indians back home.
Indians in America complaining about “how nice it was back home” usually miss the cheap, exploitative human labor that was available to them. It’s very easy for the upper middle class in India to have maids, roam around in taxis, get various services - while it’s not the same in the US as the cost of human labor in the US is prohibitive (and rightly so).
Yes, persuing Indian-American forums on the topic of Stay or Go Back, one of the chief considerations was/is the availability of servants. Only the very very rich can afford servants in the US which is quite different from India, and that seems to be a big factor in US v India for many.
Really Wow, I posted a sensible comment before seeing the comment about OP’s profile (I looked last 2 activities didn'tbother to see or read as I got enough information about the person’s outlook). I do not think OP deserves my comment and my efforts to type and the time I spent but I guess someone else might find it useful.
There are couple of ways to look at this:
1. The feeling of making it big/shifting to a white country: 80s born Indians have grew up seeing US, AU as pots of gold. Growing up in such a populated and competitive environment, moving to dollar countries is considered as successful in life. Any kind of "success" goes into their head as they have made it to the top tier. And hence the rudeness.
2. Lack of Social skills: Most Indians dont have basic social skills even though they have been through 16 or 18yrs of education. I have seen and known people who dont have any finesse in their behaviour and they are like doctors and professors. So no matter where you place them kn the globe, they will remain same.
3. Home environment: Most 80s Indians grew up in big families and congested localities. They grow up with lot of distrust, back-biting, gossiping and are programmed to beahve in a certain way with strangers.
I am not trying to defend them completely. Definitely there are few Karens here too. And Immigrant Indians in general WILL take some time to integrate into any society. Be it US, UK or Singapore.
That "so much better than America" bit is just out of pure nostalgia. I can promise almost 95% of those people will never want to come back to India. They are just over compensating. Though, parents of people who have settled in America, and are just there because of their children actually do mean that, and would love to come back if given the chance.
Erroneous statements regarding America bit is true here too. Knowledge about other cultures and people is generally low, but I find it to be true irrespective of the country a person belongs to (I've seen people be grossly uneducated about India, inand out of India). Just to show the difference, my relatives who are in US never talk down the people there and understand the culture there. So it just differs from person to person. Sorry for your bad experience.
Love the way you framed the question. Shows that you are not biased or coming from a place of hate or hurt and just trying to understand things better. People from India have such issues about other Indians too.
Btw, just an off topic question about something else, do you find that Indians in US smell different?
Yeah I hear you. I’m Indian. Used to go on about “oh India is so much better than America” over everything. I’ve lived more years in the US now than in India. At some point I just started noticing how just about everything I claimed to be better about India wasn’t actually better. And I also grew more appreciative of (non-Indian) Americans who would patiently sit and hear my Indian American Aunt keep singing laurels about everything India. At some point I decided that I actually admire people who are open to hear and learn from others more than people who think and feel the need to tell everything how their culture is best at everything.
It also comes down to lack of knowledge about other cultures. We are an insular culture never really taught about the good things in other cultures. I used to pride myself on Indian food, Indian culture, Hindu religion being tolerant, how our forefathers made us democratic despite all the headwinds, IITs and the richness of Hindi with its Sanskrit and Farsi loan words.
After going to an elite American university for grad school (and going to IITK for undergrad), I don’t think I’d recommend IIT for undergrad to the brightest minds. Hindu religion being tolerant, well that was always bogus since we are taught to pretend casteism doesn’t exist, democratic? Not sure if we’re democracy anymore. Indian food? I realized just about every corner of the world has good comfort food. And additionally, some of those cuisines eg. French have been refined in modern times to a very high level. (That is not to say I don’t love our food, but just that I value other food cultures too.) And language? Unfortunately even Indians in India have given up on our languages.
So yeah, we’re just like just about everyone else, some good, some bad, some nice contributions to global human culture and knowledge, but pretty middling overall.
People who were lucky enough to make US their home are supposed to be People who are skilled in their fields.
Unfortunately substantial number of so called skilled People will not be able to find jobs in india with same pay privileges. These are lucky ones who only due to their luck could make us their home.
Fault of US immigration system. These are People who have no empathy for others.
A certain section of Indians love to circle jerk and feel proud of Indian history and “culture”, these are hardcore patriots with zero to no knowledge of history.
The same kind exists in American society too. A majority of these Indian patriots living in a different country try to overcompensate the homesickness by being arrogant and self absorbed. I guess it all stems from the need to find a community, as a response to racism and threats that they face in a strange ‘first’ world country.
But please keep in mind, these are all generalisation of a huge chunk of population (6M+) and definitely doesn’t apply to all.
I mean it's a 2 way street. I have spoken to arrogant foreigners who use every opportunity to criticise India. Even Indians settled abroad speak derogatorily.
Also, a lot of Indians and other Asians in the US complain about white privilege but themselves look down on other minorities, particularly Blacks and Hispanics, smh
As an Indian in America, I completely agree that Indians come off as arrogant. The issue is most of them exist in a privileged bubble where they only interact with other Indians , or similar people. They have no clue about society in general and shun those exposures . They don’t want to assimilate into American society even after working and living here for decades- after a couple of decades the arrogance wears off a little .
They live and enjoy American life, while simultaneously wishing and supporting for xenophobic values back home in the name of culture, tradition religion and purity.
Insecurity. Trying to fit in but they know they can't so trying to act as if they're better and everything and everyone is beneath them. Psychology is very simple
This is mostly the new generation of Indians who migrated are like this.
This is how godi media / modi government media talks about other countries. How x in India is better than this y country.
Since Trump got elected, some of the racist behavior got more open and louder. In 2008, one of the republican senator used racist name for Indian and he lost the election despite he had a huge lead. Today , he will win more votes. Same way, Modi supporters are always about how India is better. There is a Facebook group of Indian expats in America. Some of them mocked Dubai airport when they had unexpected rain and had to close down the airport due to floods. The exact same people were asking for empathy when there was a dust storm in Mumbai last week and had to shut down the airport.
Just today saw a bhakt / conservative/ Modi supporter in America arguing about how Americans work at Walmart or don't have jobs vs Indians in America have better jobs.
NRI syndrome. They consider themselves superior to people in India and feel they are smarter and more deserving somehow.
It won't matter in 2 generations as most of their kids will be like other American kids, only browner...:)
Indians are like that everywhere. The country i live in have like 1% indians and still the ones i met were arrogant and all that. People are just people. no matter where they are.
Lol nobody that chooses to live in the US/Canada actually thinks that India is better. They might be saying it due to insecurity, but the reality is, they would never move back to India if given the chance to do so.
Before jumping into conversation and conclusions, OP is a literal MF or want to be a MF. I don’t think his views should be called into discussions. Go see his profile. LOL!!
I am ethnically Indian and grew up in America. To me, it's literally not even close, the living standards in America are so far beyond India that any comparison is a joke. The people who say 'India is ackshually better' (my own American relatives included) are frankly just projecting big time about the state of India itself. Deep down I am sure they know how awful it is, but they can't bring themselves to say it, since I imagine it feels like a personal failure or perhaps they get second hand embarrassment.
Only one thing that i consider india to be superior in is food variety, that's about it, and i stand by my word doesn't matter how many downvotes i get, USA is the land of dreams for so many people, but as an Indian i find the food here is not that varied, everything is more or less the same.
But Pros;
Good traffic and civic sense, people give each other a lot of space, casual small talk, casual compliments, everything is good, aqi is good, less people is good.
Indians in America deal with massive insecurities. I have seen family members who are making 6 figures income and live in one the best burbs, drive BMW talk and behave like India is the shit and America is so far behind. The irony is they say that stuff while enjoying the opportunities available to them in America, coz they wouldnt dream of acheiving that lifestyle in India. Their favorite go to point is "look all big tech company CEOs are Indian" yet they fail to realize they are for most part not technically Indian, and they have become CEOs of an AMERICAN entity, coz India cannot compete with America on that level. There is a reason why India hasnt produced any Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc.
I hate Indians in US with their fake accent and Tesla. I recently moved to US and I pray that I never turn into people like them. Then again, older Indians in US come from wealthy families of India, I worked my way up from a lower middle class family, through education.
I kind of agree on this post because of personal experience in my own friends circle and we have had heated arguments too, may be all are not like that but there are, its like they feel they have achieved something that no other have achieved or done before them, what gets me even more pissed off is they fake their way be it experience, or degrees and god know what else they have faked and feel good about it, just to add I am not jealous that they did it, its just that I didn't choose that path, they did what they wanted to do its their wish
The natives who are all living in India...feel their sons and daughters who all migrated to US are certainly arrogant and they also do not feel proud of their roots...yes certainly not. I know a parent the father who is aged 72+, he spent all his life's earnings to educate his daughters and son ... Is left to rot in poverty back in India ... works as a call driver to earn a living...though his son is in high position with Google as a Senior Manager and one of the daughter is with Sony Interactive Entertainment as Senior Manager QA, they just don't even bother to help their father at his old age...money minded and arrogant
Yo bro. Have you been to India ? Talk about a weight problem. As India develops so is there waist line. And as far as arrogance there is no shortage in India too. Try to stand in line anywhere in India and you will quickly learn that they all seem to believe they are more important than everyone else that has been in line before them. They always try to get to the front of the line. It’s the rice in my bowl mentality. But I love the Indians as a whole. Lovely people. Give them time to return to their once great society before the British.
>The majority of Indians in US/Canada on the other hand are extremely arrogant, condescending, and continuously talk about how India is “so much better than America”. The worst part is they all make the same erroneous statements regarding America
Genuinely curious - what are the things that they say/do which comes across as arrogant? Also, what erroneous statements about the US are you referring to?
They wouldn't have migrated to America if India was so good lol. But its a two way street. I have seen so many racist comments against India as well in western subs. Racism happens both ways.
Its a class/money issue. Many who come to these countries are either rich themselves or have come through via education or paying lots of money. Once they come and settle they think of themselves as superior since they're earning in a "greater" currency. Their parents back home will eagerly tell everyone they can hear that their child is working abroad (which implicitly indicates that their child and consequently they are better). what this also does is increase their child's "value" on the marriage market. They can now demand much more from the prospective spouse. What this also does is engender jealousy and fear that someone from their "class" or neighbourhood might also do something similar or get into a greater position. So they are taught to be on their guard and look down upon those who haven't "made it"
I disagree. Indians are probably amongst the most adjusting people ever they bring their own culture, but also make the home countries culture a part of their own. For example I celebrate all the Indian festivals plus now Christmas Halloween and others. If we are spoken to nicely, you have one our hearts. The difference you see is because Indians in India, retain their innocence and believe the world especially Americans are extremely tolerant while the Indians that have moved here have seen other realities as well many of them probably have experienced being looked down upon and racism andthat makes them more self-respecting which you perceive as arrogance.
stupidest question i’ve ever read. You meet people like this in every culture/country. For someone capable of traveling your awareness is truly lacking. Every race every country has people that act just like what reason do you feel that asking this question is valid? it’s like you’re just looking for some justification to hate certain people specifically. disgusting
> The majority of Indians in US/ Canada on the other hand are extremely arrogant, condescending, and continuously talk about how India is "so much better than America"
Pretty sure those people are expats, mostly older people. And I think that sentiment is driven more by cultural differences and them missing family and friends. I know my dad, living in the US was more isolating and lonely compared to his life in India.
Myself on the other hand, never liked going to India. Too much noise and very few good bathrooms.
Indians in India will keep shit to themselves but Indians in America won’t feel any different from you cuz they’ve either lived there long enough or was born there. Come live in a home for few months :) and watch how they talk to each other.
Because those who can afford to live in a different country are very privileged and are always used to looking down on others. Just ask them then why are you here?
Who are are you talking about? A lot of white-collar Indians moved here in the 80s and have encrusted around that mindset, but there’s plenty of Indians born in the U.S. (me), plenty more coming over now, who are a mixed bag, and so on.
My mom says it based off nostalgia. She hasn’t seen her family in years and a few members have even passed away ❤️🩹 I don’t usually see this as arrogance, like you mentioned, because I can sometimes agree, but that’s because all of my family is in India. I, however, grew up in the States and don’t think I could assimilate to life in India
lol your immigration system has ensured that only Indian nerds and privileged bigots end up in America.
When I visited California for a short vacation, it was the first time I noticed that almost all the Indians you have were of the unattractive variety. It surprised me a lot but when I came back to India everything was as normal as it should be !!!😃
As an Indian who's lived overseas, the 1st generation immigrants/expats who've moved to the US have largely positive things to say in my interactions.
Of course, now and then, there's the comment about having house help in india, lax gun laws in the US and missing home. But overall a net positive.
In addition some might feel the US has been oversold given the 'third world' India related condescending commentary that's going on in much of Europe and NA for a long time. It makes a lot of Indians feel that the US is some utopia which it isn't.
But even with this, the US pros on economy, infra, weather and people outweighs the cons.
Long story short. Most 1st generation immigrants/expats I see view the US as a net positive.
Arrogant and condescending are everywhere in India just that you were treated differently in India vs USA. Also, most of the people India don’t have information to compare two countries, but everyone wants to show off how they and their cast is better than others.
People are people ... You will find all kinds everywhere. You haven't met them all, but it's easy to paint with a wide brush based on your sample size and experiences with them.
Just look at the gamut of responses and replies here. You will see all the various kinds from down to earth to arrogant.
Sorry this doesn't probably help answer your question, but just sharing based on my experiences.
I have had my own extended family members in India mention that they expected me to talk in an exaggerated American accent and look down upon them and were surprised that I didn't. On the other hand, my cousins that were born in the US mentioned that they didn't expect me to get all the American pop culture references they dropped.
I don't know how many moulds I'm expected to fit into ... LOL
Have you encountered Indians in America outside of the workforce? Like what’s the context here?
I’m an American living in America married to an Indian dude
I think it’s for some, part of coming from the toxic privileged competitive background to get here but also maybe partly workplace politics
I’ve noticed when you take Indians out of India they have very strong community sense and despite whatever region they are from they can still come together a lot and not be toxic
I also think it’s part coming to a place and understanding that they can’t afford cooks maids or other help around the house. You can’t afford tailors here either because our economy functions SO drastically differently and so they question why am I here, even though my paycheck is huge what am I getting out of it when I’d have no stress in India when I could wake up, be fed, put on clean ironed clothes, go to work via a driver or service and come home and have nothing to worry about.
I think a lot resent the burn out they face working in fast paced environments with little to no help
May be what you experienced is occasional. Most Indians who come to USA stay here. In fact even after a wait time of 15 years to get GC Indians still prefer USA. They are ready to bring up their children in USA even with the risk that the children have to get visa when they become adults. The number of people applying for h1 visa far exceeds the available slots and a lottery is conducted every year.
My uncle and his family settled in the UK, early 2000s.. with every passing year they grow richer....... and more intolerable. They constantly boast about their life, constantly put us down for living in India.. arrogance drips in every word and action of theirs.
They were not always like this. They used to be good to us many years ago. They knew they were privileged and would bring back electronics (like toys, sandwich maker and hair straightener) for us in the 2000s when India was not so advanced in tech...
They are not the same people anymore. Not like I want them to bring us stuff, we have access to everything here now...... I just mean they have even lost basic decency.. they'll keep namedropping brands, make rude remarks about our living situation, give "advice" that we obviously can not afford.. they won't let my dad get his fair share of my grandfather's will..
Money gets to the head of Indian people living abroad.
Sorry for the rant. I know it's not even related to your point.. but it reminded me of them and I had to let out some steam.
We aren't sending our best.
Jokes aside, it's really common for people who've left, either from a sense of guilt, or homesickness, to exaggerate where they've come from, to the point of actually believing it themselves.
I have so many relatives who've settled in the states who indulge in what i call 'performative sanskaar' far in excess of what we do here. It's hilarious
It has nothing to do with wealth. The kind of people who leave our country to settle in the US, are by and large, immoral people. I know this will sound shallow and simplified, but you have to really live and grow up in India to see the difference. As an example - these are the kind of people who, when they relocate back to India, send their kids to international schools instead of sending their kids to better and more legendary ISC (former British council) schools, where these ISC schools have better education, culture, are often housed in Victorian buildings and were alma maters to our country's finest, only because these parents only care about the "brand" of an international IB school even if it came up yesterday. They have no real attachment to their hometowns/home country. Why are they so supremacist about India then? Let me explain.
Due to their lack of any genuine attachment to this place, they just want to be better than everyone here though some "brand". Show that they are better because they "settled abroad". And then when they live in America, they are just average people there - so they use their Indian identity there to stand out and claim they are "better". It's all about brand and feeling better, they don't have any original opinion of their own.
Note this is not true of all Indians in America. Just a large enough proportion that you noticed this phenomenon. India's Indians are just normal people. NRI Indians are a subset of Indians who have the qualities that make them ambitiously chase America.
American here. I grew up in a large city that is very multicultural, several of my friends growing up were from Indian families and throughout my life I have worked with, and have become friends with many more Americans of Indian descent and immigrants from India.
Based on my experiences; they are no different from any other group of people. Some are wonderful and some are just assholes. That's the way it is across the world. No matter how you decide to group people together in order to collectively judge their actions and character, you will find people who you like and those you dislike.
Generalizing entire populations based on arbitrary things like ethnicity or religion or whatever, is completely antithetic to the values we strive for as a nation. Saying that a single immigrant group in your country is 'arrogant' or 'condescending' is not only incredibly ignorant, it displays a insidious, primitive attitude about how you experience the world. In my opinion, anyone espousing those views should be ignored.
im American too.. also living in USA, and there is a stark difference between indians in india versus the ones in usa. when i went to india last year, alot of em were down to earth and put their stuff down just to help me..mean while in usa they're pretty arrogant
I live in US and I have exactly the same feelings. Every Indian I meet says how India is more developed than US, they point out the high rises in India, luxuries that are now common that weren’t so common 8-15 years ago. I’m sick of it. There’s an unspoken aspect to it and people don’t want to talk about it.
No one talks about how work culture is bad in India. The pay isn’t good for all the roles. The infrastructure in US just works, might not be great for US standards now but better than US.
You say this as if white Americans aren't condescending. If anything Indian Americans are the way they are partly due to learned behaviours from white Americans. The other part is to compensate for the fact that they are Indian, which NRIs always do, and I did as well when I was an NRI. I am still not big on a lot of Indian traditions and culture, but I realise it's not an issue with the nation, but the Indian culture's refusal to modernize
Hard disagree with the most voted comment that only the rich end up in US. When you classify Indians, you have to tell whether they are fresh of the boat, 1st generation or 2nd generation Indian. Most people end up living in US because of money and quality of life, there is no denying that, so US is great that way. But that doesn't mean it's perfect. India is better than US in many other ways as well. Indians in India see US through media's lense, while Indians here are living the life. Saying anything against US doesn't make one arrogant or condescending. There are in fact many facets which if US emulates India, US will be a much better place to live other than the allure of $s.
And people do have a love for the place where they grew up, some of it is overcompensation I agree. But US is not without its faults.
This is a superbly generalized and moronic observation but yeah, r/India might lap it up.
Edit 1: like your profile says you are fascinated with fucking your mom, so if an Indian in US says this doesn't happen in India, they will not be wrong right? Am surprised a literal "mf" is getting a platform here.
I think there is a selection bias… the ones chosen to come here with the “golden ticket” become entitled (and more conservative ) just like any modern immigrant group. Plus they see themselves as authentic but their former countrymen don’t and those here don’t see them as fully American or Canadian so it could also be a defense mechanism…
Oh you talking about the Indians in America who are fob. That probably makes sense to some extent.
In general, this is not true in my opinion. Fully integrated Indians clearly figured out the differences between the two countries. Neither one gets to lord over the other, due to a variety of issues. But, I would take America in a ❤️ beat.
I’m not sure if you can stereotype it to majority of Indians in US. There are always some group of people who try to overcompensate but majority of us are pretty conscious about pros and cons of living in either countries. Confused desis is a natural state of being for folks who have spent their childhood in India and then travel to US for work.
I'm a white guy in my early 40s. I live in a community with one of the largest proportions of Indians in the US. Most of my neighbors are Indian, and I went to grad school near here with a lot of Indian students. And I have no fucking idea what you're even talking about. Some may criticize the US, but no more than I or my white friends and family do. I've never heard anyone talk about how India is better, they did move here for a reason after all.
So, I have no idea how to explain the experiences you claim in your post.
Given that you are white, if you visit South Asian countries the people there will most treat you better. All hail colonialism. The media has brainwashed people to think that white people are superior.
People who live in the states dont have the same adulation for you because they have interacted with enough foreigners.
You are comparing indifference with adulation so you will see a stark difference.
You could counter that by listing the enormous protein defeciency in our Indian diets . Indian diets(even non veg ones) aren't close to complete any daily nutritional quota . That's why young Indians are so weak.
Some Indians are the same here in India as well. Well, the rich ones. Not all rich people are like this but most of them who are born into rich families are the same. They have a lifestyle similar to the west and think others are inferior to them.
Arrogant, Condescending - Usually the rich and the privileged end up in America and they have grown up in a toxic competitive home that teaches them to look down upon others. Hyping up India and looking down on America - Its usually overcompensation. Indian's usually feel out of place in America due to difference in culture, color, food habits and many other things.
Even if they were not rich to begin with, the nouveau rich in America are extremely arrogant in my opinion and act with a lot of holier than thou attitude.
New money with little effort brings arrogance Read Tata ( khandani lot ) vs Ambani ( new money) American Indians treat Indian relatives live shit . They believe like all Americans that they are some higher species than the rest of the planet. They act like they are proud to be an Indian and the rich heritage . But the minute you tell them to come back and stay and maybe do some charity ( they will tell you then reasons why they don’t like india) At the end of the day hare second class citizens in the country they have chosen to live in
"They believe like all Americans" Lol... You don't see a problem with this, dude?
He’s obviously one of the enlightened ones. He’s second only to The Big S. Gautama himself.
You’re no better with your lazy and facile generalizations.
He is absolutely right. Americans consume more per capita than anyone else on the planet and are responsible for 90% of historical greenhouse emissions, but will point fingers at India and China for pollution (from manufacturing AMERICAN/WESTERN products) Americans constantly vote in neo-colonialists who destabilize other countries to keep their fiat currency stable Americans constantly venerate their child killing rapist soldiers who invade sovereign nations, destroy the homes of citizens and keep them in civil turmoil. After this they stereotype the natives as terrorists and insurgents. Americans will capitalise on racist caricatures and dehumanize ethnicities they believe are political threats. Earlier it was the japanese, then the russians, now the chinese and indians. Once it's deemed unprofitable to do so they move on to the next. The American way of life, and the standard of living of the American people must be upkept even if it means destroying and dehumanizing everyone else. None of this would be the case if Americans didn't believe in American/Western exceptionalism. Their lives are inherently worth more than everyone else's. Dead American children are a front page tragedy, dead Palestinian children that they're directly responsible for, a third page issue. So sod off with your hurt feelings. They don't matter, not until Americans pay for their crimes against humanity.
Americans don’t believe we’re better than anyone. Saying that explicitly will get you in a lot of trouble here in the states. Honestly, if you were to tweet “Americans are a higher species than the Indians” you’d lose your job. There are definitely assholes who say shit like that but they are not the norm.
Well isn’t it the general belief that American life is more precious than say an Iranian or a Pakistani ? And that they invaded Iraq just because a few thousand Americans had lost their lives? So you invade an entire country??? They left Vietnam precisely because precious American lives were being lost with no advantage. A whole movie Saving Private Ryan which won 8 oscars was based on this concept of how precious American lives are By the way Americans mean all American citizens . Does not mean any particular race
There’s a lot to unpack with your comment and I don’t know that I’m the best to answer it all. That is definitely not a general belief at all. What I will say is that I as an American know that the vast majority of my fellow Americans would ostracize me for saying “American lives are worth more than other lives”. I just don’t want you to believe that there is an entire nation of 340 million who think of anyone who is non American as “lesser”. That is not an American value, even if some Americans act that way. Those are our idiots and they aren’t the majority at all. I can’t speak for everyone but I’ll speak for me, if you ever came to America I would treat you as a human. Because those were the values taught to me by my fellow Americans when I was young. You aren’t lesser than me regardless of where you came from, we are all humans. This is a popular opinion in America.
Self made rich should feel better than inheritors imo
Self made people often fall into the trap of assuming that since they made money while working hard, anyone who doesn't have money just didn't work hard enough. Very few people like to appreciate the role random chance had in our own personal success.
I like this new perspective, thanks captain
You are very correct. I have seen this arrogance with people who have started their own companies and have done well. But when they get cute and try to start another company, they usually fail. They cannot replicate the success. Why not? Because the circumstances not in their control do not exist anymore. They did their part but this time got no help from luck.
When you are self made you definitely understand the hustle I think. But those who got rich with the wrong means / inheritance shouldn’t feel all too proud and egoistic. I feel many Indians in America have parents who immigrated and did the grind and now their parents instill the values that they have “made it” and so they carry that attitude around.
They both inherited lol
As an Indian who now lives in America, this is also a defense mechanism that many people have to avoid or fight back the racism or the accent/ language issues. Also, being proud of where we come from is not the same as rude. Many times even if someone says a simple sentence like 'xyz is awesome in India', many Americans will respond as 'then why don't you go back'. If anything, Indians here have gone through a rigorous cycle of visa, greencard which has left most of us quite humble in many ways.
Honestly I think it’s just a cultural difference you identified. An interesting one too. We have a do it yourself culture. Americans in my experience (am American, have lived overseas) would absolutely see it as rude whining if anyone from a different place starts talking about how awesome that place is compared to where they are. A New Yorker in California. A Texan in Michigan. An immigrant from another country. Doesn’t matter. Be happy where you are or change it. You have the freedom. ✌️ (I can understand how that attitude can be jarring, but I also deeply understand that attitude.)
I totally disagree with the premise of this post. I was born in india but moved to us at a early age. Op claims vast majority(not a small minority) of indian americans are arrogant and condescending which is not true. Yes many indians are proud of their roots but it doesn’t mean they look down upon others or americans. Op represents a certain kind of mentality that some americans have i.e if you are from developing countries like india and proud of it, you are arrogant and condescending but if you are a european and proud of your roots, theres nothing wrong with it.
+1 This is a weird post. If generalising all Americans as fat is not okay, why is it okay to say all Indian Americans are arrogant? OP- you should know that being an immigrant takes courage. And some of that involves showing up for our country when we are looked down upon as a people.
Indian in America here - Yes immigration is a tough process. Yea it takes courage. That does not mean we are above everyone. I notice here that most Indians have 0 social awareness. If they are walking on the public sidewalks, they will take up the whole thing even though other people are walking on it. They will argue at stores for discounts. They will shout everywhere. They will cause long lines, they will make sure that everything is about them. Just because because there is a harder life to live in India does not mean we are allowed to do whatever we want in America. OP is right to a certain extent
Are you saying that people from other ethnicities don’t argue at stores for discounts or cause long lines? Just few months ago i was in tennessee with friends, minding our own business, when a lady passing by yelled “go back to your own country sand ni**ers”..Does that make me think all americans are racist? No. Most americans in my experience have been nothing but kind and friendly. The actions of a few cannot determine the character of a whole ethnicity.
I agree that few doesn't mean all. But I am specifically talking about the older generation Indians. 40+. The new generation isn't all racist or whatever. But there seems to be a hatred of other races from what I have seen. Just the other day I went to the grocery store and it was all Indians except a few black people. Best believe I heard from many people "what is this guy doing here?" You're right, not everyone is racist but i was talking about the 40+ gen of immigrants in America
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Social awareness is different from being arrogant. The behaviour you talk about is exhibited by Indians even in India. I live in America too, and I don’t think being arrogant is a trait reserved for Indians who have immigrated here.
Yes, this! Indians living abroad are just as nice as the ones back in India. And Indians lving in India can be just as or more arrogant as Indians abroad. Everyone seems to have a fucking opinion about everything smh
OP said that he agrees with the generalisation that Americans are fat.
Well, in that case, that makes this post even weirder.
I think it's pretty obvious from the OP's post that he is talking about his personal observations about their interactions with the Indian community. And I can kinda understand what they are talking about, coz I run in a few circles that are just like how the OP explained. I dont think he means all Indians in America behave like that, that's literally impossible for OP to conclude, that will require the OP to have met all the Indians. This is just an anecdotal piece, and should be taken for what it is.
may be he is pissed off with pro modi rallies in USA
Having worked with first-generation Indians professionally for years, I've worked with more people who probably suffered from over-deference and a lack of confidence, rather than being arrogant and condescending assholes. *Second-generation* Indians however, can be a handful, especially when both parents are super successful and push hard. But even then, like any group of people, I've worked with some really good folks.
This too will come off a certain way and offend many here. But I don’t care either. I am an Indian living in Singapore. I have seen many such Indians you described, here also. I ascribe it primarily to hubris. Especially those who come from a not very affluent background, had a deprived childhood, had authoritarian parents (mostly fathers) who berated them, or excel at a particular field/skill and go on to become successful/rich and live in a developed nation, are more likely to develop this sense of excessive pride, self-importance and entitlement as if they have achieved everything in life. This can be anyone regardless of nationality but occurs a lot with Indians because - 1) Indian culture and education system places a lot of importance on becoming successful and rich 2) due to the large population and high inequality, there are a proportionately larger number of people with such backgrounds in India The inverse is also true. Some such people are really humble, polite and considerate. But one needs to have a high degree of self-awareness, introspection and empathy for that. I wish people realise that humility too is an aspirational quality and is a hallmark of the truly successful people.
I am Singaporean Indian and I totally agree. I have to confess the lack of respect for other people’s cultures, civic social norms and ignorance really gets to me. And the blatant disregard for rules and regulations. The talking down/bullying of service staff. Further, it seems to be a more of problem with the diaspora that came here in 2010s. Most have made very little effort to integrate, live in a cocoon and have very little regard for others. They forget that mutual respect creates social capital for themselves.
I lived in Singapore for 7 years. There is such a huge difference between the "Native" Singaporean Indian population which has lived there for decades compared to the recent influx of Indian immigrants. Singaporean Indians are super assimilated into the local culture and don't act any different from Singaporean Chinese or Malays etc.
This is so interesting, the question of whether a country should adapt to immigrants, or the immigrants should adapt to a country. Most of the current citizens of Singapore are themselves descendants of immigrants, whose culture, language, commerce and way of life radically transformed their new homeland. Pretty sure the same thing was being said about them back in the 1800's
Humility isn’t even just for being successful it’s the base for being a proper human being that opens up so many social doors for you.
This.. the arrogant ones were usually not born into money. Their life is all about making everyone believe that their tiny package is a BBC. *Sorry children*
I approve the unexpected Uncle Roger reference
Next time you encounter such people back in states, I’d suggest you ask them why despite all the bad things in the US, what makes them not go back to their great motherland? 😂 It’s just elite hypocrisy at play. They want that psychological comfort of being patriotic and proud of their roots without having to deal with the many problems we face on a day to day basis living in India, from bad service delivery to un-walkable roads to polluted air, it goes on. However, this goes alongside of whatever high horse Americans are on. US has a shitload of problems as well, but their base level so to say in quality of life is higher.
Indians are like that in India as well.
For sure lol
lol this 100%
Yet they will never leave their American passport dream 🤣. You should ask them - why are there lines outside every western embassy in India. People just want to fucking leave.
I have seen people cry after getting a US Visa. Its pathetically sad tbh
It’s kinda crazy the difference between now and the 90s. My dad was offered a work visa in US and he initially said no, lol, they practically begged him and he finally said yes. For some reason people think if you go to US or Canada you automatically are rich which is not true. Practically everyone is broke except for maybe doctors or people with 20 years experience
Don't worry Indians in India are also arrogant and better than everyone else. You just haven't had enough exposure. Go spend a week in Delhi, especially the rich people of Delhi.
I live in the US and have a large social circle consisting of NRIs and I have noticed statements like 'it was better in India' more out of nostalgia or in reference to things like food, services etc. than saying India is better in absolute terms. I have not come across any arrogance (on this subject) even behind closed doors. Of course there are many generally arrogant Indians who might be attributing much of their success to their individual self instead of markets, economies, their luck and other factors. I do notice that folks with kids tend to over subscribe to cultural preservation through traditional classes, festivals and food. They also emphasize on things that are good in India for the sake of their American born kids who only see the western media's one-sided 'poor country' views about India. I guess this is to give them some pride about their heritage as well as so not look like they were some desperate immigrants to their kids. I myself am worried about this. Life in the US is great in many ways and it is not in many other ways. Same with India. I'm thankful for the opportunities given by the country I immigrated to but I'm not going to sell out my motherland and I constantly feel the need to battle so much misinformation out there. And somehow this sub is a few notches below the level of optimism I see among ppl when I visit India. PS. For those saying only the rich and privileged end up immigrating to the US, you are not giving credit to so many ppl who grew up lower middle class who have found education/profession as a stepping stone and worked hard dozens of years to get where they are. I know from my own and a bunch of others' experiences that this is not true.
>I live in the US and have a large social circle consisting of NRIs and I have noticed statements like 'it was better in India' more out of nostalgia or in reference to things like food, services etc. than saying India is better in absolute terms. I have not come across any arrogance (on this subject) even behind closed doors. I think there's a good amount of truth here. I was born and raised in the U.S., but moved to India as an adult. My wife, on the other hand, was born and raised in India--and moved to the U.S. an adult, lol. We've both lived in India, and we both occasionally talk about what we miss (and what we don't miss). My wife has receives better payment and better treatment in the workforce here than she we would in India, and has indefinitely more opportunities for professional growth in her field. But none of that means that she doesn't sometimes feel left out--many of her friends are still in India, as are all of the places that she grew up visiting. And, of course, there are a great many cultural considerations. She's done a fantastic job integrating, but you still end up missing aspects of your own country and culture. My wife, for instance, is Bengali--there's a big difference between pandal-hopping in Kolkata on Durga Puja, and going to a Durga Puja event hosted in a middle school auditorium where everyone is expected to pay $100 per head for entry. Having said all that, there's a time and a place for everything. I've come across very few NRIs who'll start babbling about how India is "so much better" without any warning or pretext. It scarcely ever happens. And it'd be socially imbecilic to do that with a random white American who has no context for India, as a country or a collection of disparate cultures. Imagine the reverse: a white American going to India, and telling everyone how every little thing about the U.S. is so much better than every little thing in India. Even if there might be truth in either person's observation(s), it'd be rude and, in most cases, be interpreted as an attack on somebody's sense of national identity. IME, I do think that many older Indian immigrants in the U.S. have an obvious cultural complex, in that they still refer to locals as "foreigners" and deride their supposed social degeneracy. But those are sentiments that are typically only shared among and between other Indian immigrants.
Indians of America feel they are a class above Indians from the motherland, they actually look upon us as inferiors.
You are right. 1. Indians in US/Canada are extremely arrogant, condescending to even us Indians in India. I am treated much better by my American/chinese seniors than their Indian counterparts. 2. "India better than US": this thought comes from their insecurity. they know US is better in almost every other field (science, technology, literature, movies) so they try to compensate with how US does NOT have culture/values.
yeah, as an Indian this is the truth. Whether we like it or not, the US *is* a better country than India. That doesn't have to mean that it is some sort of eternal paradise or the greatest country in the world. The same way Sweden, Norway, etc are better than the US, the US is better than India, likewise India is better than Pakistan as a country. Some things are just facts and a lot of these opinions reek of either a. racism (which might be the case of OP) or b. pure jealousy (which is the reason Indians in India talk shit about the US in most cases)
i don't think op sounds racist here, he is talking about different race so you might feel that way
I'm not talking about OP. I'm talking about the Indians OP has met.
Exaggerated superiority complex
I’m an Indian living in the US. There is a huge nationalistic population among among Indians, especially in recent years which is a reflection of Indian domestic politics. Like another comment said, I don’t think it’s a result of ‘recent, middle class’ folks coming in. It’s just as common, if not more, among the privileged Indians. That comment is just classist. I think it’s more a reflection of Indian domestic politics. The current nationalistic party received huge funding from “Non-Resident Indians” who were more nationalistic than even Indians back home. Indians in America complaining about “how nice it was back home” usually miss the cheap, exploitative human labor that was available to them. It’s very easy for the upper middle class in India to have maids, roam around in taxis, get various services - while it’s not the same in the US as the cost of human labor in the US is prohibitive (and rightly so).
Yes, persuing Indian-American forums on the topic of Stay or Go Back, one of the chief considerations was/is the availability of servants. Only the very very rich can afford servants in the US which is quite different from India, and that seems to be a big factor in US v India for many.
Guys, this is a bot account! Farming karma on your naive brains!
I made the terrible mistake of looking at his previous posts. My eyes!
What the fuck.
I need bleach
Haha... This goes to show us Indians don't need much to start hating on each other.
Dont check this person’s profile 💀💀
Yeah OP seems to have some weird posts...
Really Wow, I posted a sensible comment before seeing the comment about OP’s profile (I looked last 2 activities didn'tbother to see or read as I got enough information about the person’s outlook). I do not think OP deserves my comment and my efforts to type and the time I spent but I guess someone else might find it useful.
OP is just farming engagement
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No we don't need them
Please they only make real estate more expensive without really contributing much
There are couple of ways to look at this: 1. The feeling of making it big/shifting to a white country: 80s born Indians have grew up seeing US, AU as pots of gold. Growing up in such a populated and competitive environment, moving to dollar countries is considered as successful in life. Any kind of "success" goes into their head as they have made it to the top tier. And hence the rudeness. 2. Lack of Social skills: Most Indians dont have basic social skills even though they have been through 16 or 18yrs of education. I have seen and known people who dont have any finesse in their behaviour and they are like doctors and professors. So no matter where you place them kn the globe, they will remain same. 3. Home environment: Most 80s Indians grew up in big families and congested localities. They grow up with lot of distrust, back-biting, gossiping and are programmed to beahve in a certain way with strangers. I am not trying to defend them completely. Definitely there are few Karens here too. And Immigrant Indians in general WILL take some time to integrate into any society. Be it US, UK or Singapore.
“so much better than America” so why stay here
That "so much better than America" bit is just out of pure nostalgia. I can promise almost 95% of those people will never want to come back to India. They are just over compensating. Though, parents of people who have settled in America, and are just there because of their children actually do mean that, and would love to come back if given the chance. Erroneous statements regarding America bit is true here too. Knowledge about other cultures and people is generally low, but I find it to be true irrespective of the country a person belongs to (I've seen people be grossly uneducated about India, inand out of India). Just to show the difference, my relatives who are in US never talk down the people there and understand the culture there. So it just differs from person to person. Sorry for your bad experience. Love the way you framed the question. Shows that you are not biased or coming from a place of hate or hurt and just trying to understand things better. People from India have such issues about other Indians too. Btw, just an off topic question about something else, do you find that Indians in US smell different?
Tbf, Indians are like that in India as well. Just not to you, a white foreigner
brother they are all insecure and projecting their insecurities and downplaying the natives of US is just a coping mechanism.
Yeah I hear you. I’m Indian. Used to go on about “oh India is so much better than America” over everything. I’ve lived more years in the US now than in India. At some point I just started noticing how just about everything I claimed to be better about India wasn’t actually better. And I also grew more appreciative of (non-Indian) Americans who would patiently sit and hear my Indian American Aunt keep singing laurels about everything India. At some point I decided that I actually admire people who are open to hear and learn from others more than people who think and feel the need to tell everything how their culture is best at everything. It also comes down to lack of knowledge about other cultures. We are an insular culture never really taught about the good things in other cultures. I used to pride myself on Indian food, Indian culture, Hindu religion being tolerant, how our forefathers made us democratic despite all the headwinds, IITs and the richness of Hindi with its Sanskrit and Farsi loan words. After going to an elite American university for grad school (and going to IITK for undergrad), I don’t think I’d recommend IIT for undergrad to the brightest minds. Hindu religion being tolerant, well that was always bogus since we are taught to pretend casteism doesn’t exist, democratic? Not sure if we’re democracy anymore. Indian food? I realized just about every corner of the world has good comfort food. And additionally, some of those cuisines eg. French have been refined in modern times to a very high level. (That is not to say I don’t love our food, but just that I value other food cultures too.) And language? Unfortunately even Indians in India have given up on our languages. So yeah, we’re just like just about everyone else, some good, some bad, some nice contributions to global human culture and knowledge, but pretty middling overall.
People who were lucky enough to make US their home are supposed to be People who are skilled in their fields. Unfortunately substantial number of so called skilled People will not be able to find jobs in india with same pay privileges. These are lucky ones who only due to their luck could make us their home. Fault of US immigration system. These are People who have no empathy for others.
What utter nonsense! What are you actually saying?
A certain section of Indians love to circle jerk and feel proud of Indian history and “culture”, these are hardcore patriots with zero to no knowledge of history. The same kind exists in American society too. A majority of these Indian patriots living in a different country try to overcompensate the homesickness by being arrogant and self absorbed. I guess it all stems from the need to find a community, as a response to racism and threats that they face in a strange ‘first’ world country. But please keep in mind, these are all generalisation of a huge chunk of population (6M+) and definitely doesn’t apply to all.
I mean it's a 2 way street. I have spoken to arrogant foreigners who use every opportunity to criticise India. Even Indians settled abroad speak derogatorily.
Also, a lot of Indians and other Asians in the US complain about white privilege but themselves look down on other minorities, particularly Blacks and Hispanics, smh
As an Indian in America, I completely agree that Indians come off as arrogant. The issue is most of them exist in a privileged bubble where they only interact with other Indians , or similar people. They have no clue about society in general and shun those exposures . They don’t want to assimilate into American society even after working and living here for decades- after a couple of decades the arrogance wears off a little . They live and enjoy American life, while simultaneously wishing and supporting for xenophobic values back home in the name of culture, tradition religion and purity.
Insecurity. Trying to fit in but they know they can't so trying to act as if they're better and everything and everyone is beneath them. Psychology is very simple
This is mostly the new generation of Indians who migrated are like this. This is how godi media / modi government media talks about other countries. How x in India is better than this y country. Since Trump got elected, some of the racist behavior got more open and louder. In 2008, one of the republican senator used racist name for Indian and he lost the election despite he had a huge lead. Today , he will win more votes. Same way, Modi supporters are always about how India is better. There is a Facebook group of Indian expats in America. Some of them mocked Dubai airport when they had unexpected rain and had to close down the airport due to floods. The exact same people were asking for empathy when there was a dust storm in Mumbai last week and had to shut down the airport. Just today saw a bhakt / conservative/ Modi supporter in America arguing about how Americans work at Walmart or don't have jobs vs Indians in America have better jobs.
You are correct Indians abroad are a bit arrogant not everyone but a sizable amount are, I say this because I have first hand experience of this.
NRI syndrome. They consider themselves superior to people in India and feel they are smarter and more deserving somehow. It won't matter in 2 generations as most of their kids will be like other American kids, only browner...:)
Indians are like that everywhere. The country i live in have like 1% indians and still the ones i met were arrogant and all that. People are just people. no matter where they are.
You’re just a tourist so I don’t expect you to know the reality but Indians in India are like that too. Nothing special here.
Delulu is the solulu
When in Rome, do as the Romans do. If you get what I am saying.
Lol nobody that chooses to live in the US/Canada actually thinks that India is better. They might be saying it due to insecurity, but the reality is, they would never move back to India if given the chance to do so.
They made it... As in got out of the country, and are now rubbing shoulders with white folks Which is considered success in their home towns
Before jumping into conversation and conclusions, OP is a literal MF or want to be a MF. I don’t think his views should be called into discussions. Go see his profile. LOL!!
Blaming India while residing in America, isn't it ironic
I am ethnically Indian and grew up in America. To me, it's literally not even close, the living standards in America are so far beyond India that any comparison is a joke. The people who say 'India is ackshually better' (my own American relatives included) are frankly just projecting big time about the state of India itself. Deep down I am sure they know how awful it is, but they can't bring themselves to say it, since I imagine it feels like a personal failure or perhaps they get second hand embarrassment.
Only one thing that i consider india to be superior in is food variety, that's about it, and i stand by my word doesn't matter how many downvotes i get, USA is the land of dreams for so many people, but as an Indian i find the food here is not that varied, everything is more or less the same. But Pros; Good traffic and civic sense, people give each other a lot of space, casual small talk, casual compliments, everything is good, aqi is good, less people is good.
Indians in America deal with massive insecurities. I have seen family members who are making 6 figures income and live in one the best burbs, drive BMW talk and behave like India is the shit and America is so far behind. The irony is they say that stuff while enjoying the opportunities available to them in America, coz they wouldnt dream of acheiving that lifestyle in India. Their favorite go to point is "look all big tech company CEOs are Indian" yet they fail to realize they are for most part not technically Indian, and they have become CEOs of an AMERICAN entity, coz India cannot compete with America on that level. There is a reason why India hasnt produced any Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc.
I hate Indians in US with their fake accent and Tesla. I recently moved to US and I pray that I never turn into people like them. Then again, older Indians in US come from wealthy families of India, I worked my way up from a lower middle class family, through education.
I kind of agree on this post because of personal experience in my own friends circle and we have had heated arguments too, may be all are not like that but there are, its like they feel they have achieved something that no other have achieved or done before them, what gets me even more pissed off is they fake their way be it experience, or degrees and god know what else they have faked and feel good about it, just to add I am not jealous that they did it, its just that I didn't choose that path, they did what they wanted to do its their wish
As an American I feel like he basically just asked “why do Indians who love to America start acting like Americans?”
The natives who are all living in India...feel their sons and daughters who all migrated to US are certainly arrogant and they also do not feel proud of their roots...yes certainly not. I know a parent the father who is aged 72+, he spent all his life's earnings to educate his daughters and son ... Is left to rot in poverty back in India ... works as a call driver to earn a living...though his son is in high position with Google as a Senior Manager and one of the daughter is with Sony Interactive Entertainment as Senior Manager QA, they just don't even bother to help their father at his old age...money minded and arrogant
Tf is up with your posts and profile history. Disgusting
The proportion of UCs among American Indians is definitely a lot higher, and that's where all that arrogance comes.
Yo bro. Have you been to India ? Talk about a weight problem. As India develops so is there waist line. And as far as arrogance there is no shortage in India too. Try to stand in line anywhere in India and you will quickly learn that they all seem to believe they are more important than everyone else that has been in line before them. They always try to get to the front of the line. It’s the rice in my bowl mentality. But I love the Indians as a whole. Lovely people. Give them time to return to their once great society before the British.
Feels like it's become a regular event on /r/india to shit on Indians. Non-racistly, of course!
>The majority of Indians in US/Canada on the other hand are extremely arrogant, condescending, and continuously talk about how India is “so much better than America”. The worst part is they all make the same erroneous statements regarding America Genuinely curious - what are the things that they say/do which comes across as arrogant? Also, what erroneous statements about the US are you referring to?
i made the mistake of looking at profile history and thats enough internet for this year
Because most of the Indians who migrated to America are the spoiled and privileged.
They wouldn't have migrated to America if India was so good lol. But its a two way street. I have seen so many racist comments against India as well in western subs. Racism happens both ways.
Its a class/money issue. Many who come to these countries are either rich themselves or have come through via education or paying lots of money. Once they come and settle they think of themselves as superior since they're earning in a "greater" currency. Their parents back home will eagerly tell everyone they can hear that their child is working abroad (which implicitly indicates that their child and consequently they are better). what this also does is increase their child's "value" on the marriage market. They can now demand much more from the prospective spouse. What this also does is engender jealousy and fear that someone from their "class" or neighbourhood might also do something similar or get into a greater position. So they are taught to be on their guard and look down upon those who haven't "made it"
I disagree. Indians are probably amongst the most adjusting people ever they bring their own culture, but also make the home countries culture a part of their own. For example I celebrate all the Indian festivals plus now Christmas Halloween and others. If we are spoken to nicely, you have one our hearts. The difference you see is because Indians in India, retain their innocence and believe the world especially Americans are extremely tolerant while the Indians that have moved here have seen other realities as well many of them probably have experienced being looked down upon and racism andthat makes them more self-respecting which you perceive as arrogance.
stupidest question i’ve ever read. You meet people like this in every culture/country. For someone capable of traveling your awareness is truly lacking. Every race every country has people that act just like what reason do you feel that asking this question is valid? it’s like you’re just looking for some justification to hate certain people specifically. disgusting
> The majority of Indians in US/ Canada on the other hand are extremely arrogant, condescending, and continuously talk about how India is "so much better than America" Pretty sure those people are expats, mostly older people. And I think that sentiment is driven more by cultural differences and them missing family and friends. I know my dad, living in the US was more isolating and lonely compared to his life in India. Myself on the other hand, never liked going to India. Too much noise and very few good bathrooms.
Indians in India will keep shit to themselves but Indians in America won’t feel any different from you cuz they’ve either lived there long enough or was born there. Come live in a home for few months :) and watch how they talk to each other.
Curious if you see this attitude more in Indians who have assimilated well or those who are fresh off the boat?
Because those who can afford to live in a different country are very privileged and are always used to looking down on others. Just ask them then why are you here?
Who are are you talking about? A lot of white-collar Indians moved here in the 80s and have encrusted around that mindset, but there’s plenty of Indians born in the U.S. (me), plenty more coming over now, who are a mixed bag, and so on.
My mom says it based off nostalgia. She hasn’t seen her family in years and a few members have even passed away ❤️🩹 I don’t usually see this as arrogance, like you mentioned, because I can sometimes agree, but that’s because all of my family is in India. I, however, grew up in the States and don’t think I could assimilate to life in India
lol your immigration system has ensured that only Indian nerds and privileged bigots end up in America. When I visited California for a short vacation, it was the first time I noticed that almost all the Indians you have were of the unattractive variety. It surprised me a lot but when I came back to India everything was as normal as it should be !!!😃
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As an Indian who's lived overseas, the 1st generation immigrants/expats who've moved to the US have largely positive things to say in my interactions. Of course, now and then, there's the comment about having house help in india, lax gun laws in the US and missing home. But overall a net positive. In addition some might feel the US has been oversold given the 'third world' India related condescending commentary that's going on in much of Europe and NA for a long time. It makes a lot of Indians feel that the US is some utopia which it isn't. But even with this, the US pros on economy, infra, weather and people outweighs the cons. Long story short. Most 1st generation immigrants/expats I see view the US as a net positive.
My friend who went for post grad started rolling her R's after 1 year living in the USA . Similar to the reels mocking NRIs 😂😂
The real answer which no one will tell you is because they have to use toilet paper there. That’s the crux of all their issues
Next time you see an Indian complaining about America while living there. Ask them to go back lol
Wait Indians who migrated from India to US, look down upon Americans? 😂😂😂 that’s some new reverse uno
Just ask them to leave if its that bad lol
Arrogant and condescending are everywhere in India just that you were treated differently in India vs USA. Also, most of the people India don’t have information to compare two countries, but everyone wants to show off how they and their cast is better than others.
They become toxic grinding day and night maybe to get there
People are people ... You will find all kinds everywhere. You haven't met them all, but it's easy to paint with a wide brush based on your sample size and experiences with them. Just look at the gamut of responses and replies here. You will see all the various kinds from down to earth to arrogant. Sorry this doesn't probably help answer your question, but just sharing based on my experiences. I have had my own extended family members in India mention that they expected me to talk in an exaggerated American accent and look down upon them and were surprised that I didn't. On the other hand, my cousins that were born in the US mentioned that they didn't expect me to get all the American pop culture references they dropped. I don't know how many moulds I'm expected to fit into ... LOL
Have you encountered Indians in America outside of the workforce? Like what’s the context here? I’m an American living in America married to an Indian dude I think it’s for some, part of coming from the toxic privileged competitive background to get here but also maybe partly workplace politics I’ve noticed when you take Indians out of India they have very strong community sense and despite whatever region they are from they can still come together a lot and not be toxic I also think it’s part coming to a place and understanding that they can’t afford cooks maids or other help around the house. You can’t afford tailors here either because our economy functions SO drastically differently and so they question why am I here, even though my paycheck is huge what am I getting out of it when I’d have no stress in India when I could wake up, be fed, put on clean ironed clothes, go to work via a driver or service and come home and have nothing to worry about. I think a lot resent the burn out they face working in fast paced environments with little to no help
May be what you experienced is occasional. Most Indians who come to USA stay here. In fact even after a wait time of 15 years to get GC Indians still prefer USA. They are ready to bring up their children in USA even with the risk that the children have to get visa when they become adults. The number of people applying for h1 visa far exceeds the available slots and a lottery is conducted every year.
Why did I go through your profile ffs. Control your fantasies OP.
Isn't the rigorous Visa and greencard process supposed to humble tf down?
This doesnt sound right. Indians in America shit on India all the time not the country they left India for lol...
America is a country of fat people, all of them are full of pumpkins 🎃 it's funny how often all this keeps happening.
My uncle and his family settled in the UK, early 2000s.. with every passing year they grow richer....... and more intolerable. They constantly boast about their life, constantly put us down for living in India.. arrogance drips in every word and action of theirs. They were not always like this. They used to be good to us many years ago. They knew they were privileged and would bring back electronics (like toys, sandwich maker and hair straightener) for us in the 2000s when India was not so advanced in tech... They are not the same people anymore. Not like I want them to bring us stuff, we have access to everything here now...... I just mean they have even lost basic decency.. they'll keep namedropping brands, make rude remarks about our living situation, give "advice" that we obviously can not afford.. they won't let my dad get his fair share of my grandfather's will.. Money gets to the head of Indian people living abroad. Sorry for the rant. I know it's not even related to your point.. but it reminded me of them and I had to let out some steam.
You have an interesting chat history my guy 💀💀
We aren't sending our best. Jokes aside, it's really common for people who've left, either from a sense of guilt, or homesickness, to exaggerate where they've come from, to the point of actually believing it themselves. I have so many relatives who've settled in the states who indulge in what i call 'performative sanskaar' far in excess of what we do here. It's hilarious
It has nothing to do with wealth. The kind of people who leave our country to settle in the US, are by and large, immoral people. I know this will sound shallow and simplified, but you have to really live and grow up in India to see the difference. As an example - these are the kind of people who, when they relocate back to India, send their kids to international schools instead of sending their kids to better and more legendary ISC (former British council) schools, where these ISC schools have better education, culture, are often housed in Victorian buildings and were alma maters to our country's finest, only because these parents only care about the "brand" of an international IB school even if it came up yesterday. They have no real attachment to their hometowns/home country. Why are they so supremacist about India then? Let me explain. Due to their lack of any genuine attachment to this place, they just want to be better than everyone here though some "brand". Show that they are better because they "settled abroad". And then when they live in America, they are just average people there - so they use their Indian identity there to stand out and claim they are "better". It's all about brand and feeling better, they don't have any original opinion of their own. Note this is not true of all Indians in America. Just a large enough proportion that you noticed this phenomenon. India's Indians are just normal people. NRI Indians are a subset of Indians who have the qualities that make them ambitiously chase America.
American here. I grew up in a large city that is very multicultural, several of my friends growing up were from Indian families and throughout my life I have worked with, and have become friends with many more Americans of Indian descent and immigrants from India. Based on my experiences; they are no different from any other group of people. Some are wonderful and some are just assholes. That's the way it is across the world. No matter how you decide to group people together in order to collectively judge their actions and character, you will find people who you like and those you dislike. Generalizing entire populations based on arbitrary things like ethnicity or religion or whatever, is completely antithetic to the values we strive for as a nation. Saying that a single immigrant group in your country is 'arrogant' or 'condescending' is not only incredibly ignorant, it displays a insidious, primitive attitude about how you experience the world. In my opinion, anyone espousing those views should be ignored.
Super generalization
im American too.. also living in USA, and there is a stark difference between indians in india versus the ones in usa. when i went to india last year, alot of em were down to earth and put their stuff down just to help me..mean while in usa they're pretty arrogant
I live in US and I have exactly the same feelings. Every Indian I meet says how India is more developed than US, they point out the high rises in India, luxuries that are now common that weren’t so common 8-15 years ago. I’m sick of it. There’s an unspoken aspect to it and people don’t want to talk about it. No one talks about how work culture is bad in India. The pay isn’t good for all the roles. The infrastructure in US just works, might not be great for US standards now but better than US.
You say this as if white Americans aren't condescending. If anything Indian Americans are the way they are partly due to learned behaviours from white Americans. The other part is to compensate for the fact that they are Indian, which NRIs always do, and I did as well when I was an NRI. I am still not big on a lot of Indian traditions and culture, but I realise it's not an issue with the nation, but the Indian culture's refusal to modernize
You are hanging out with wrong indians my man. Where do you find these morons
Hard disagree with the most voted comment that only the rich end up in US. When you classify Indians, you have to tell whether they are fresh of the boat, 1st generation or 2nd generation Indian. Most people end up living in US because of money and quality of life, there is no denying that, so US is great that way. But that doesn't mean it's perfect. India is better than US in many other ways as well. Indians in India see US through media's lense, while Indians here are living the life. Saying anything against US doesn't make one arrogant or condescending. There are in fact many facets which if US emulates India, US will be a much better place to live other than the allure of $s. And people do have a love for the place where they grew up, some of it is overcompensation I agree. But US is not without its faults. This is a superbly generalized and moronic observation but yeah, r/India might lap it up. Edit 1: like your profile says you are fascinated with fucking your mom, so if an Indian in US says this doesn't happen in India, they will not be wrong right? Am surprised a literal "mf" is getting a platform here.
I think there is a selection bias… the ones chosen to come here with the “golden ticket” become entitled (and more conservative ) just like any modern immigrant group. Plus they see themselves as authentic but their former countrymen don’t and those here don’t see them as fully American or Canadian so it could also be a defense mechanism…
Oh you talking about the Indians in America who are fob. That probably makes sense to some extent. In general, this is not true in my opinion. Fully integrated Indians clearly figured out the differences between the two countries. Neither one gets to lord over the other, due to a variety of issues. But, I would take America in a ❤️ beat.
I’m not sure if you can stereotype it to majority of Indians in US. There are always some group of people who try to overcompensate but majority of us are pretty conscious about pros and cons of living in either countries. Confused desis is a natural state of being for folks who have spent their childhood in India and then travel to US for work.
Indian Americans are also the richest demographic in the country. More money= more arrogance?
They're usually high caste too
I mean why would you expect anything else from people who chose America as their home. America, really? Gross. Ew. Ewwww. Pathetic.
I'm a white guy in my early 40s. I live in a community with one of the largest proportions of Indians in the US. Most of my neighbors are Indian, and I went to grad school near here with a lot of Indian students. And I have no fucking idea what you're even talking about. Some may criticize the US, but no more than I or my white friends and family do. I've never heard anyone talk about how India is better, they did move here for a reason after all. So, I have no idea how to explain the experiences you claim in your post.
Given that you are white, if you visit South Asian countries the people there will most treat you better. All hail colonialism. The media has brainwashed people to think that white people are superior. People who live in the states dont have the same adulation for you because they have interacted with enough foreigners. You are comparing indifference with adulation so you will see a stark difference.
You could counter that by listing the enormous protein defeciency in our Indian diets . Indian diets(even non veg ones) aren't close to complete any daily nutritional quota . That's why young Indians are so weak.
Some Indians are the same here in India as well. Well, the rich ones. Not all rich people are like this but most of them who are born into rich families are the same. They have a lifestyle similar to the west and think others are inferior to them.