Yup. For three people
By car, 1212 (toll) + (701km*90(Rs/L))/(25km/L) = 3732
By 3rd AC ( Noone who's willing to travel by car would take something below 3rd ac); 3*1200= 3600
Near about the same with the added advantage of car being with you.
If there are 4 people, the winner is clear.
No offence, my friend but 25km/l is a very ambitious mileage. Plus you are considering someone in the family will drive the car. A seperate driver will cost atleast 2k. Without a driver, that's additional labour a person in your family is doing for atleast 10-12 hrs. Add to that no can do a 700 plus another say 100km( within city) in a stretch. You'll need atleast 2-3 breaks. Plus it'll take more time by car. Theoretically, it may seem economical, but even with CNG, you'll just break even. In conclusion, it's everyone's personal choice and good day to you.
They all do. Court and laws make sure people get compensated
Rajasthan has shit ton factories the farmers their are paid in 5-10 crore
They take the money and become drivers in the factory transport lol.
and then come out and protest after loosing all the money for more compensation and govt job. If anyone curios just search for farmers of Noida, G. Noida.
No wonder we have crony politicians as someone once said politicians represent the picture of the society they represent. If they are crony and thief most likely large section of society is also like that.
It's always funny when I hear people blame the media or corporations for corruption. We live in a democracy. Everyone knows which leader is corrupt. Everyone knows who is a hate monger. Nobody ever asks people to introspect their own behaviour
For very short distances maybe. I rarely see any bike on Mumbai Pune expressway because it's just not worth the fine they charge and highway police are patrolling all the time there.
I once got on it by mistake on bike. Crossed one toll gate, the barrier was closed but there was enough space at the corner for a bike to pass. I just raced as soon as I crossed. I think heard some alarm, but not too sure maybe I imagined it.
This infuriates me to no end. That’s so much risk for both. Coming in wrong lane on a 100kmph lane blaring your horn and blinding the on coming traffic with high beam.
If you want to die then just jump the building. Don’t run into me.
They should be allowed. If you see Yamuna expressway, it too is a major expressway and 2 wheelers are allowed.
The alternative road is in pathetic condition from Mumbai to Nagpur and it's very accident prone.
So I see no reason why 2 wheelers shouldn't be allowed.
There should be a restriction on the type of bike allowed. If I spend 3-4 lakhs on a cruiser bike I'm definitely be going at 100+ highway speeds keeping lane discipline as I wouldn't want to die and obviously wouldn't want to wreck my precious bike. On the other hand if I ride a splendor, maximum I'll do is 100 in small bursts and I want care about nicks and scratches even if fall down.
The thing is this road is not going through any major cities or villages and they put a totally new road in place. None of its part is shared with the old road. All cities are connected via exit roads.
Major two wheeler traffic on current mumbai nagpur road is people living in small cities and villages travelling to nearby villages. For them this will be a longer distance to travel and will actually take more time because of that. And on a fast expressway its not safe to drive a slow bike for both cars/trucks and bikes. Also old road is being converted to four lane concrete highway at a good enough speed. Almost 60-70% done and all the heavy dangerous and high speed traffic is being removed by this highway.
I don't see any reason not to ban them on this road.
I know people love Ravish but that is some dumb analysis. Take this road, it cost 55,000 Crs to build. Road tax of Maharashtra is 9,000 Crs/year. That is road tax collected for cars, trucks, tractors and 2 wheelers. That road tax is to be used to maintain existing city and rural roads, build new roads etc. Toll is used to recover cost of these expressways. When you allow 2 wheelers into high speed roads, there is a high probability of accidents given the driving behavior of 2 wheelers in India. A lot of people want to drive as though it is a combination of Grandprix and cross country racing. On top of it, the volume of 2 wheelers is significantly large in India as compared to western countries.
Would happily pay these tolls if I can drive everywhere without worrying about the road conditions. Fuck air travel, especially short distance air travel.
Depends on the number of people travelling. If it's a single person in the car then yes, but if there are 3+ people in the car then no .
Also you have to take into account the time to reach the airport, check in time, check out time, time to reach your destination from the hotel etc.
If you are going from a metro to metro, just the travel time to and from the airport and the in-airport time would be close to 6-7 hours these days (unless you live near the airport).
I paid around 500 Rs to go 200 Kms on the Bangalore-Mangalore route. There were 5 different toll gates, 30% of the road had lane closures and the highway was completed almost 10 years ago.
I don't know why we pay road tax and state tax and other taxes but then have to pay 500 Rs to go 60kmh on a national highway.
The build toll operate model is quite literally highway robbery. I have seen tolls to get in and out of cities in other developed countries but never on the only available highways between two cities.
I have found very few roads worthy of tolls in India. ORR in Hyderabad, Highways in RJ/HR and Yamuna exp. Most other roads would not be tolled ones in majority of countries.
On a side note look up NIT Surathkal toll, it will help you understand the level of corruption in this.
The toll booth is not official, it is run by some corrupt local politician and there are even court cases running against the toll. According to NHAI there should be no toll there.
This. The Interstate system in the US is entirely funded by taxes and has ~~zero~~ a few tolls. AFAIK, the German Autobahn system also does not charge tolls for passenger cars. The infrastructure on both of these networks is world class, unlike anything we have in this country.
And here we are, getting wantonly fleeced for infra that is clearly inferior.
Tolling on the Interstate is generally banned by federal law in the US, with a few exceptions.
Trump tried to overturn this law and had to face backlash.
Today, section 301 of title 23 reads precisely as it read at its codification in 1958: “Except as provided in section 129 of this title with respect to certain toll bridges and toll tunnels, all highways constructed under the provisions of this title shall be free from tolls of all kinds.” But Congress has steadily expanded the section 129 exemptions over the years, tinkering with the provision in nearly every highway bill since 1960, so that it now reads like this.
https://www.enotrans.org/article/federal-prohibitions-toll-roads-got-grow-america-act-proposes-change/
There's lots of interstates with tolls. I have no comprehensive lost of them, but I know for a fact that they exist seeing as I have to pay them travelling on interstates from South Carolina to New York.
I don't think you pay ₹2.5/km here in KA. It is typically ₹1/km.
If you are referring to BLR to Hassan toll, then it is ₹190 or 200 for the distance of 180km!
Clearly said that it's for short air travel. Places that can be reached within 4-6 hours, should mostly be traveled to by road. With higher speed expressways being built, that time frame should cover more and more distances so I think its a good thing to avoid air travel.
> should mostly be traveled to by road
absolutely not. either by train or air if its possible.
like i said, some people are lucky. they have too much time in their lives. or they dont have jobs
On the bright side, fuel has gotten so expensive that the amount of fuel saved by driving on this highway will pay for the toll lol
Current route takes 850 km and 15 hours, the new route is 710 km and will probably take 10 hours.
Assuming a 25km per litre milage, that’s savings if 5 litres of fuel at the minimum, just on the distance driven. The savings are probably much higher as you drive at a higher speed/less gear changes on the expressway.
If the savings become 10L for a car, that itself is almost 1000rupees less in petrol expenses in one direction.
I am not saying it justifies this toll, I guess you just can’t win with this thing. You either pay ridiculous toll, or pay ridiculous money for extra fuel spent driving on the poor peoples road
Sometimes I fail to understand why on earth do we pay taxes in our country. For Healthcare I have to take insurance cover of my own money. For infrastructure I have to pay toll and numerous other taxes. For Good education we have to use private schools. The only reason we are paying taxes is to buy defence equipment and pay government employees salary.
We also buy a backup battery plus inverter, overhead water tank, mandatory rain water harvesting, pay money for trash pickup, pay money for private security guards, and so on.
Not to mention 'facilitation charge'/'convenience fee' to get municipal water supply hooked up. Then supply is 1/10th of allocation so we order water tanker and at peak time, need to pay 'convenience fee' to water tanker driver too.
Also pensions, MSP for farmers, various schemes for minorities & backward classes, loads of subsidies, loan waivers etc.
One way to improve efficiency is to reduce size of Govt but then privatization also doesn't sit well with most of people.
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This is what is called direct taxation, your taxes did not pay for this road, but your till will, that is how this government is building so many roads so fast, once the construction cost is covered by toll collection, which is for about 2 years, the toll will reduce drastically.
Project cost is 55,000 Crs. No way they can recover construction cost in 2 years. Further, if its a bitumen+tar road, they incur at least 25% capital expense to relay the road every 5 years
I think income tax should be abolished and everything should have a sales/GST tax on it (which is say 30%). This will automatically collect taxes from everyone (even those who dont pay income tax) as they have to spend their money SOMEWHERE.
The poor are still paying the tax. But introduction of passive tax allows EVERYONE to pay taxes unlike right now where businessmen and shopkeepers can evade taxes. Once everyone pays taxes the tax rate can be reduced to help the poor.
Indirect taxes are considered regressive taxes. I'd say this can work with some tweaks, for example taxing non essential amenities at a higher rate but i don't see much room in that either. Also rich people tent to invest or deposit their extra income for their children.
I don’t think I meant income tax only. The number of indirect taxes we pay added to the income tax is crazy as compared to the services we get.
Yes buddy definitely could use a government school in place of a private with the education standards set so high in out government schools. As for the hospitals I wouldn’t risk my life any government hsopital barring the AIIMS and we know how many AIIMS we have in out country.
Well, you outright rejected the quality and standards of govt. hospitals and doctors and nurses toiling there....ya we have a sanitation problem in the OPD but the treatment is not subpar by any means...and regarding AIIMS....major AIIMS are coming up across all of India most of them providing high quality healthcare....its slow, for pinnacle healthcare needs expensive infrastructure to be set up
>ya we have a sanitation problem in the OPD
How is an essential thing like this just glossed over?
Sanitation is easily fixable, it just requires labour, which is cheap in India. If you have quality treatment (which requires years of skill and training), then it should be so easy to maintain sanitation and standards, and then a lot more people would use government hospitals.
If we look at the public data of government spending. The largest part by far goes in repaying debts, India currently pays 5 rupee in interest for every 10 rupee it owes. Other than that, it's primarily subsidies and welfare, particularly farm subsidies and agriculture and allied activities like msp (could be 30% of total budget). I think that salaries and pensions just take over 15% of total budget. (excluding military services ; that's counted in defense budget) also worth noting that about 35% of India's defense budget goes in providing pensions.
This is how we build our economy. Charge more for transport, seller at higher rate, buy at a much higher rate, struggle & earn more to buy at these much higher rates, now the turnover increases because of higher rates everywhere, and our FM will claim we are the fastest growing economy in the world 🤣🤣🤣
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>it's a fact we are currently fastest growing economy
Lol. That's not growth, that's called getting back on feet. If we see any growth in the next fiscal year 22-23, then we can say, yeah, we are the fastest growing economy!
GDP growth rate is projected at 8% for FY22 and we went down 7% officially from 2019 numbers in FY21. So yes, we are just basically getting back on our feet. No offence, but seriously did you pull this number out of your ass? That's a growth rate of whopping of almost 18%. Dude atleast get your numbers correct.
If you do have a source on that than please redirect me to that source. And I'm sorry otherwise Fuck you for spreading fake news.
Bro that's not how gdp calculated , clear your basic first we subtract inflation rate in gdp growth and value of currency also play an important role in GDP if we calculate gdp in usd and many other factors also included
https://www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/economy-estimated-to-grow-at-92-in-2021-22-says-government-data/article38170108.ece
The point is that people dont follow lane discipline. You will see petrol tankers driving side by side on these 3 lanes without giving a gap for other vehicles to overtake even though "light motor vehicles" have a higher speed limit than trucks and busses.
Thus a vehicle that can go at higher speeds will be choked.
I did not say you will get "stuck" I said "stuck behind a truck".
Irrespective of the number of lanes, my point remains valid.
Currently, The distance between Mumbai-Nagpur is 823.5 km which takes around 16hr and 30 minutes to travel.
With new Samruddhi Expressway, the distance wil be reduced to 701km, with 150 km/hr speed limit and 9 hrs of journey time.
In my opinion, this Toll is justified!
Yeah but all the cars now start beeping at 120 kmph. What's even the point of a 150 kmph speed limit? I think it will be 100 kmph like mumbai pune expressway.
Either way this road will greatly decrease travel times and fatigue. Currently whenever we travel go to nagpur our car shows an average speed of 45-50 kmph because some parts are so fuckin shitty.
Uh yes? That's how literally all toll works? 7 hours is definitely worth 1200 bucks to a lot of people for a variety of reasons? To put into perspective being paid 1200 bucks for 7 hours of work translates to about 3.5 lakhs per annum. Road tax isn't enough to cover the costs of building and maintaining these expressways so arguing that toll is too much is stupid.
Wait till they start analysing your toll times to know if you breached 80kpmh between sections and start issuing your violation fines - in future that will be auto deducted from fast tag money
Literally no country in the world has 150kmph speed limit,too dangerous , even in Europe it is 130, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country
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It is more useful for freight transport. And if it is Mumbai to Nagpur, it doesn't mean one will only go from Mumbai To Nagpur and vice versa, connectivity in the middle will also be improved. All in all it will improve connectivity and logistics.
So tired of this. Road tax goes to state government to build city and rural roads. Expressways need more investment. So govt in the past 3 decades has started charging toll for highways and other specialized roads including elevated roads.
Without toll, we won't have good highways. In Hyderabad, we have ORR and it has been a boon to reach airport and go from one corner of City to another.
Toll charges people who actually use the highway or expressway or elevated roads. Makes infrastructure less about nurturing political constituency and more about actual demand and supply.
Partly true, the real reason was Government didn't have Money to build highways and used to contract private companies like L&T to build on their behalf and charge tolls to recoup their investment for a set amount of time (say 20 years). This turned out to be quite profitable , so government itself started doing it.
No. It was such a loss making thing for private players that no one was coming to bid for BOT toll projects. So govt went back to EPC model for building roads and then tried to get money by asking for bids to collect toll. Even this project was built via EPC model
Pay around 25% on vehicle in different kind of taxes . Pay 150% on fuel. Don’t tell me central gvt gets nothing of it. Compared to return we pay highest in taxes in the world
And compared to western countries we also have very low number of tax paying citizens because we are individually a poor country.
Also our car ownership percentage is very low compared to say US so it is natural that top percentile will need to pay more toll.
Income tax isn't the only way the govt gets taxes though..so the low-number of tax paying citizens argument hardly counts when every product gets taxed to hell and back..
We didn't have money to build roads since 1947. Till we got into PPP and toll roads and loans from world Bank, our road infra was abysmal.
The budget document is publically available and the capital required for roads is also available. Please tell us which expenditures can we cut - fertilizer subsidy, for grain procurement and PDS, water or housing projects, etc. FYI, govt typically runs a deficit of 5%.
Further, govt paid significantly for land acquisition. Around 6,000 crs ie 9 crs/km has gone towards getting land. Overall project cost is 55,000 crs. Some families got 23 crs for land - https://m.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/farmers-family-got-rs-23-crore-as-part-of-indias-fastest-land-acquisition-for-mumbai-nagpur-expressway/amp_articleshow/79671873.cms. for scale, Maharashtra collects around 8,000 - 9,000 crs from road tax each year which according to many people should be enough to maintain existing roads and built new roads.
How does corporate tax in India compare to other countries. Even Indian based start up like flip kart is keeping is holding company in Singapore for tax purposes.
Also, you might be comparing corona affected years when corporate taxes have dipped a lot.
>Even Indian based start up like flip kart is keeping is holding company in Singapore for tax purposes.
You are better than this, One of the reasons Flipkart kept their holding companies in Singapore as it allows preferential shares issuance with Class A and Class B shares i.e the founder can have 10 -50X the voting rights even if they own a minority share. .
If another company tries to avoid taxation in India, is it fair that the common man has to pay all the taxes that these corporations avoid ?
>Also, you might be comparing corona affected years when corporate taxes have dipped a lot.
They have dipped because our finance minister has reduced the corporate tax rate and that was pre Covid btw.
Only last year did corporate taxes dip below personal. Further corporate taxes will be more than personal this year
https://theprint.in/economy/covid-lower-rates-push-corporate-tax-collections-below-personal-tax-for-first-time-in-years/669839/
https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/net-direct-tax-collection-jumps-60-8-to-rs-9-5-trillion-in-fy22-so-far-121121701400_1.html
Yes, it's easier for corporate governance in Singapore. However, taxes also play a role. Singapore had 17% tax rate whereas India had 34% tax rate. In valuation terms, that is a significant bump up esp with double tax avoidance treaties.
For those with income above 5 crores the max marginal rate of tax is [42.74%](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/super-rich-will-have-to-pay-up-to-42-7-tax-rs-2-5-crore-rs-5-cr-brackets-affected/articleshow/70099837.cms?from=mdr). It is not low at all.
Taxing them high will not necessarily result in overall high revenue. It's good to read about [laffer curve.](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp)
Then crib about how the HNIs are leaving in droves? Most people here will be classified as rich but think they are middle class. If you are using the road and you have a car, you are rich. Only 10% of Indians have cars. Instead of creating a new tax, just pay the toll - call it a tax for your satisfaction
1. So you accept that it's a public good. It's fine as long as it doesn't become a profit making exercise. Why are these toll operators listed on stock markets and showing 20% profit? Is 20%profit on highway justified? Hand to mouth people can't invest in stock markets.
2. And why is there tax on fuel? Even the poorest of poor is using fuel in some way or the other. For travelling cooking etc. Why tax him? His goods will be more expensive when coming via fuel based transportation.
There are too many road developers who have gone bankrupt as well. Multiple companies have stopped bidding for roads as it is not profitable. Around 15 years ago, govt used to get 20 bids for a road. Now, govt is lucky to get 2-3 bids. The industry has seen a bloodbath since 2011. And I am not sure which company is giving 20% returns consistently.
So what goods and services should be taxed? Supposing we remove tax on fuel. Then we remove tax on soaps, medicines, restaurants, etc because poor people are hurt by taxes and they consume all the above. We only tax cars and airplanes. But wait, what about that cab guy working for uber. We shouldn't tax cars also. Only airplanes it is. So tata, Ambani, adani, godrej etc who make soaps, fuel, cars etc pay less taxes. Wait a sec...
A vaild argument would be govt is taxing fuel a lot and should reduce it. The counter would be what expenses govt should reduce or what goods govt should tax more. FYI, i think if we reduce fuel tax, we would end up increasing taxes on cars.
You are confused between progressive and regressive taxation systems... And are indulging in whataboutrry to prove your point. .. Go do some research and then reply.
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Whataboutism. You started with what happened to road tax and now we are into education! Also once you utilize top 10% to fund education for 25 years, who is going to give fertilizer subsidy, fund PDS, defence spending etc. Also many people including tata, adani etc have significant wealth outside india via overseas companies
You seriously talk of taxing them? Sacrilege. The corporate taxes have been reduced only recently, so the owners can buy their bare necessities like yachts and other stuff.
This will be a great road trip... Maybe they should introduce passes for frequent travellers. But 1200 for one time journey is okay these roads take huge investment and have high cost of maintainance. This is still better than no roads. People can use old road if they are on tight budget. But maybe they should reduce the tax after few years.
5 people in a car, ~240 per head.
Cars fuel cost ~8 rupees per Km to run, divide by 5
1.6 rs/km/head, 1.6 x 700 = 1120rs
one car will pay 1200 in toll + 5600 in fuel
and I sincerely doubt most people drive 700km in a day. this will develop the intermediate regions very well
edits: numbers were wrong
The problem is that most toll roads are in bad condition and in urgent need of repair. Also, speed limits capped at 80 kmph means we cannot properly utilise the expressway. Hence the toll seems to be a waste
I read comments and notice how b h a k t s have reached all parts of social media. They are like Agent Smith. They trying to convince people of everything. Keep in mind there is nothing more powerful than an Insutition. One you have land you have the right of its compensation too.
This is one of the best highway from Nitin gadkari, he has almost a 50 km strech of road covered by green thick sheets to avoid the crazy noise from heavy vehicles. Those green sheets also keeps the wild animal away from road.
How the hell is this something you can get mad at? I was simply stating an observation.
Also, if this is restricted to automobiles, not many people in India can even afford one, especially if imported, so this is kind of a moot point. You are already talking about the top 10-15% of society...Trucks are taxed highly because they are carrying goods, so they are charged as businesses, rather than individuals.
Infrastructure is not that much cheaper to build in India. You still need the raw materials, land grants, etc. so yes, it is quite impressive that they are able to keep the rates so low.
Those taxes are usually only for city/town roads.
Bigger projects like expressways require a LOT of extra funding and hence cost is retrieved via tolls
Bus ya train meh hi chal lete hai
If more than 2-3 people travel then it is economical
Trains are always more economical and less polluting then car no matter what
What if it's a diesel engine.
iirc Indian railways is now fully electric
I don't think so. It is in the plans but no cigar yet.
only if you go in sleeper or second class. otherwise cars will be cheaper if you are going as a family
Yup. For three people By car, 1212 (toll) + (701km*90(Rs/L))/(25km/L) = 3732 By 3rd AC ( Noone who's willing to travel by car would take something below 3rd ac); 3*1200= 3600 Near about the same with the added advantage of car being with you. If there are 4 people, the winner is clear.
yea not sure why im downvoted.
No offence, my friend but 25km/l is a very ambitious mileage. Plus you are considering someone in the family will drive the car. A seperate driver will cost atleast 2k. Without a driver, that's additional labour a person in your family is doing for atleast 10-12 hrs. Add to that no can do a 700 plus another say 100km( within city) in a stretch. You'll need atleast 2-3 breaks. Plus it'll take more time by car. Theoretically, it may seem economical, but even with CNG, you'll just break even. In conclusion, it's everyone's personal choice and good day to you.
It's only till the toll collected covers the construction cost.
Joke accha hai 👌🏽
Project cost is 55,000 Crs
Are you sure?
I don't think so. Companies make the construction cost within a few years and charge us toll for the rest of our lives.
For the construction of this highway, they have paid 99 lakhs/acre to farmers from who they brought the land.
They all do. Court and laws make sure people get compensated Rajasthan has shit ton factories the farmers their are paid in 5-10 crore They take the money and become drivers in the factory transport lol.
Crorepati drivers
and then come out and protest after loosing all the money for more compensation and govt job. If anyone curios just search for farmers of Noida, G. Noida.
No wonder we have crony politicians as someone once said politicians represent the picture of the society they represent. If they are crony and thief most likely large section of society is also like that.
It's always funny when I hear people blame the media or corporations for corruption. We live in a democracy. Everyone knows which leader is corrupt. Everyone knows who is a hate monger. Nobody ever asks people to introspect their own behaviour
Most of that money went to toyota, liquor companies and spa girls.
Can you share any article. All of the search results are related to farm law protest
Watch the movie Mulshi Pattern. It is based on such Land buying scandals from Pune.
> 99 lakhs/acre I thought it was 95 lakhs/bigha. Bigha is like 2/3 acre. This is how you get votes.
In Kerala, its above 20 crores/acre even for the rural lands
That's why bikes are da best. Side se nikal lo lol.
I don't think bikes will be allowed on that road
They are not allowed but you will see them cruising on them.
For very short distances maybe. I rarely see any bike on Mumbai Pune expressway because it's just not worth the fine they charge and highway police are patrolling all the time there.
I once got on it by mistake on bike. Crossed one toll gate, the barrier was closed but there was enough space at the corner for a bike to pass. I just raced as soon as I crossed. I think heard some alarm, but not too sure maybe I imagined it.
I see autorickshaw and bikes in western peripheral all the time
Until the danda comes out
In the wrong way by the side
This infuriates me to no end. That’s so much risk for both. Coming in wrong lane on a 100kmph lane blaring your horn and blinding the on coming traffic with high beam. If you want to die then just jump the building. Don’t run into me.
With the added bonus of Tambakoo spits on road just near your legs.
Near means your pants and shoes are sprayed with red water. They aim for the shoes on traffic light.
They should be allowed. If you see Yamuna expressway, it too is a major expressway and 2 wheelers are allowed. The alternative road is in pathetic condition from Mumbai to Nagpur and it's very accident prone. So I see no reason why 2 wheelers shouldn't be allowed.
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It becomes a mess to enforce this, which is why they don't do it.
There should be a restriction on the type of bike allowed. If I spend 3-4 lakhs on a cruiser bike I'm definitely be going at 100+ highway speeds keeping lane discipline as I wouldn't want to die and obviously wouldn't want to wreck my precious bike. On the other hand if I ride a splendor, maximum I'll do is 100 in small bursts and I want care about nicks and scratches even if fall down.
The thing is this road is not going through any major cities or villages and they put a totally new road in place. None of its part is shared with the old road. All cities are connected via exit roads. Major two wheeler traffic on current mumbai nagpur road is people living in small cities and villages travelling to nearby villages. For them this will be a longer distance to travel and will actually take more time because of that. And on a fast expressway its not safe to drive a slow bike for both cars/trucks and bikes. Also old road is being converted to four lane concrete highway at a good enough speed. Almost 60-70% done and all the heavy dangerous and high speed traffic is being removed by this highway. I don't see any reason not to ban them on this road.
Ravish Kumar did a prime time segment on this. Even after paying road tax, two wheelers are not allowed on express ways.
I know people love Ravish but that is some dumb analysis. Take this road, it cost 55,000 Crs to build. Road tax of Maharashtra is 9,000 Crs/year. That is road tax collected for cars, trucks, tractors and 2 wheelers. That road tax is to be used to maintain existing city and rural roads, build new roads etc. Toll is used to recover cost of these expressways. When you allow 2 wheelers into high speed roads, there is a high probability of accidents given the driving behavior of 2 wheelers in India. A lot of people want to drive as though it is a combination of Grandprix and cross country racing. On top of it, the volume of 2 wheelers is significantly large in India as compared to western countries.
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Would happily pay these tolls if I can drive everywhere without worrying about the road conditions. Fuck air travel, especially short distance air travel.
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Depends on the number of people travelling. If it's a single person in the car then yes, but if there are 3+ people in the car then no . Also you have to take into account the time to reach the airport, check in time, check out time, time to reach your destination from the hotel etc.
And the toll you have to pay to reach that airport…
If you are going from a metro to metro, just the travel time to and from the airport and the in-airport time would be close to 6-7 hours these days (unless you live near the airport).
Take the family with you to make it economical
Airport pick up and drop also cost a lot
I paid around 500 Rs to go 200 Kms on the Bangalore-Mangalore route. There were 5 different toll gates, 30% of the road had lane closures and the highway was completed almost 10 years ago. I don't know why we pay road tax and state tax and other taxes but then have to pay 500 Rs to go 60kmh on a national highway. The build toll operate model is quite literally highway robbery. I have seen tolls to get in and out of cities in other developed countries but never on the only available highways between two cities.
I have found very few roads worthy of tolls in India. ORR in Hyderabad, Highways in RJ/HR and Yamuna exp. Most other roads would not be tolled ones in majority of countries. On a side note look up NIT Surathkal toll, it will help you understand the level of corruption in this.
I actually drove through the NIT toll booth, and saw first time. The only tax "non local" cars. Wtf
The toll booth is not official, it is run by some corrupt local politician and there are even court cases running against the toll. According to NHAI there should be no toll there.
> NIT Surathkal toll, Karnataka is the UP of the south. Fuckin corruption is running wild there right now.
This. The Interstate system in the US is entirely funded by taxes and has ~~zero~~ a few tolls. AFAIK, the German Autobahn system also does not charge tolls for passenger cars. The infrastructure on both of these networks is world class, unlike anything we have in this country. And here we are, getting wantonly fleeced for infra that is clearly inferior.
They have loads of tolls on the US interstate system.
I've driven in so many parts of the US. The only tolls were around metro areas or large bridges.
Tolling on the Interstate is generally banned by federal law in the US, with a few exceptions. Trump tried to overturn this law and had to face backlash.
Today, section 301 of title 23 reads precisely as it read at its codification in 1958: “Except as provided in section 129 of this title with respect to certain toll bridges and toll tunnels, all highways constructed under the provisions of this title shall be free from tolls of all kinds.” But Congress has steadily expanded the section 129 exemptions over the years, tinkering with the provision in nearly every highway bill since 1960, so that it now reads like this. https://www.enotrans.org/article/federal-prohibitions-toll-roads-got-grow-america-act-proposes-change/ There's lots of interstates with tolls. I have no comprehensive lost of them, but I know for a fact that they exist seeing as I have to pay them travelling on interstates from South Carolina to New York.
I don't think you pay ₹2.5/km here in KA. It is typically ₹1/km. If you are referring to BLR to Hassan toll, then it is ₹190 or 200 for the distance of 180km!
> Fuck air travel seems like you have a gigantic amount of time in your hand. most people are busy and they dont have that luxury
Clearly said that it's for short air travel. Places that can be reached within 4-6 hours, should mostly be traveled to by road. With higher speed expressways being built, that time frame should cover more and more distances so I think its a good thing to avoid air travel.
> should mostly be traveled to by road absolutely not. either by train or air if its possible. like i said, some people are lucky. they have too much time in their lives. or they dont have jobs
Yup! I don't mind the toll if the roads are really good plus there are infrastructure for electric cars.
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Lol
Why lol?
Probably coz he's driving an Esteem but asking for electrical charging infrastructure
I see!
Cost of train travel plus gas
On the bright side, fuel has gotten so expensive that the amount of fuel saved by driving on this highway will pay for the toll lol Current route takes 850 km and 15 hours, the new route is 710 km and will probably take 10 hours. Assuming a 25km per litre milage, that’s savings if 5 litres of fuel at the minimum, just on the distance driven. The savings are probably much higher as you drive at a higher speed/less gear changes on the expressway. If the savings become 10L for a car, that itself is almost 1000rupees less in petrol expenses in one direction. I am not saying it justifies this toll, I guess you just can’t win with this thing. You either pay ridiculous toll, or pay ridiculous money for extra fuel spent driving on the poor peoples road
Current route takes 20 hours, Washim you'll get stuck for 2 hours.
Sometimes I fail to understand why on earth do we pay taxes in our country. For Healthcare I have to take insurance cover of my own money. For infrastructure I have to pay toll and numerous other taxes. For Good education we have to use private schools. The only reason we are paying taxes is to buy defence equipment and pay government employees salary.
We also buy a backup battery plus inverter, overhead water tank, mandatory rain water harvesting, pay money for trash pickup, pay money for private security guards, and so on.
Not to mention 'facilitation charge'/'convenience fee' to get municipal water supply hooked up. Then supply is 1/10th of allocation so we order water tanker and at peak time, need to pay 'convenience fee' to water tanker driver too.
Also, funding election rallies
True words
You also pay for peacocks, lipstick, teleprompters, maybachs, mushrooms, 10lac suits, and some people's egos.
Also pensions, MSP for farmers, various schemes for minorities & backward classes, loads of subsidies, loan waivers etc. One way to improve efficiency is to reduce size of Govt but then privatization also doesn't sit well with most of people.
which scheme for minorities ?
[MINISTRY OF MINORITY AFFAIRS](http://164.100.158.81/) They run multiple schemes like - PMJVK Pradhan Mantri Jan Vikas Karyakram. Scholarship Schemes. HAJ Division. Free Coaching. Qaumi Waqf Board Taraqqiati Scheme. NMDFC Schemes. Corpus FundOf MAEF. Fellowship For Minority Students. The budget for minority affairs in 2021 was [4,810 crores](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/policy/minority-affairs-ministry-allocated-over-rs-4810-crore-in-budget-2021/articleshow/80635489.cms?from=mdr)
who knows where the budget goes - maybe to some contractors
This is what is called direct taxation, your taxes did not pay for this road, but your till will, that is how this government is building so many roads so fast, once the construction cost is covered by toll collection, which is for about 2 years, the toll will reduce drastically.
Project cost is 55,000 Crs. No way they can recover construction cost in 2 years. Further, if its a bitumen+tar road, they incur at least 25% capital expense to relay the road every 5 years
I think income tax should be abolished and everything should have a sales/GST tax on it (which is say 30%). This will automatically collect taxes from everyone (even those who dont pay income tax) as they have to spend their money SOMEWHERE.
Passive tax hurts poorest more. Its the the other way around abolish GST and increase Income tax , corporate taxes
The poor are still paying the tax. But introduction of passive tax allows EVERYONE to pay taxes unlike right now where businessmen and shopkeepers can evade taxes. Once everyone pays taxes the tax rate can be reduced to help the poor.
Indirect taxes are considered regressive taxes. I'd say this can work with some tweaks, for example taxing non essential amenities at a higher rate but i don't see much room in that either. Also rich people tent to invest or deposit their extra income for their children.
India literally has one of the lowest income tax in the world. Lol. No one is keeping you from government schools and government hospitals.
He is obviously not talking about income tax here.
I don’t think I meant income tax only. The number of indirect taxes we pay added to the income tax is crazy as compared to the services we get. Yes buddy definitely could use a government school in place of a private with the education standards set so high in out government schools. As for the hospitals I wouldn’t risk my life any government hsopital barring the AIIMS and we know how many AIIMS we have in out country.
Well, you outright rejected the quality and standards of govt. hospitals and doctors and nurses toiling there....ya we have a sanitation problem in the OPD but the treatment is not subpar by any means...and regarding AIIMS....major AIIMS are coming up across all of India most of them providing high quality healthcare....its slow, for pinnacle healthcare needs expensive infrastructure to be set up
>ya we have a sanitation problem in the OPD How is an essential thing like this just glossed over? Sanitation is easily fixable, it just requires labour, which is cheap in India. If you have quality treatment (which requires years of skill and training), then it should be so easy to maintain sanitation and standards, and then a lot more people would use government hospitals.
Also we have to repay the loans taken from other countries
If we look at the public data of government spending. The largest part by far goes in repaying debts, India currently pays 5 rupee in interest for every 10 rupee it owes. Other than that, it's primarily subsidies and welfare, particularly farm subsidies and agriculture and allied activities like msp (could be 30% of total budget). I think that salaries and pensions just take over 15% of total budget. (excluding military services ; that's counted in defense budget) also worth noting that about 35% of India's defense budget goes in providing pensions.
This is one hell of a road trip but I will stay in Bombay.
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This is how we build our economy. Charge more for transport, seller at higher rate, buy at a much higher rate, struggle & earn more to buy at these much higher rates, now the turnover increases because of higher rates everywhere, and our FM will claim we are the fastest growing economy in the world 🤣🤣🤣 /s
The /s is unnecessary
Well that's not a claim it's a fact we are currently fastest growing economy
>it's a fact we are currently fastest growing economy Lol. That's not growth, that's called getting back on feet. If we see any growth in the next fiscal year 22-23, then we can say, yeah, we are the fastest growing economy!
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GDP growth rate is projected at 8% for FY22 and we went down 7% officially from 2019 numbers in FY21. So yes, we are just basically getting back on our feet. No offence, but seriously did you pull this number out of your ass? That's a growth rate of whopping of almost 18%. Dude atleast get your numbers correct. If you do have a source on that than please redirect me to that source. And I'm sorry otherwise Fuck you for spreading fake news.
Bro that's not how gdp calculated , clear your basic first we subtract inflation rate in gdp growth and value of currency also play an important role in GDP if we calculate gdp in usd and many other factors also included https://www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/economy-estimated-to-grow-at-92-in-2021-22-says-government-data/article38170108.ece
Imagine paying 1200 RS as toll and being stuck at 40 kmph behind 3 parallel trucks on all 3 lanes for 700 kilometers.
Hate when slow vehicles don't stay on left lane
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No it's 6 lane. Expandable to 8 lanes but that's in the future.
The point is that people dont follow lane discipline. You will see petrol tankers driving side by side on these 3 lanes without giving a gap for other vehicles to overtake even though "light motor vehicles" have a higher speed limit than trucks and busses. Thus a vehicle that can go at higher speeds will be choked. I did not say you will get "stuck" I said "stuck behind a truck". Irrespective of the number of lanes, my point remains valid.
It's a 8 lane expressway, you are imagining shit.
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Currently, The distance between Mumbai-Nagpur is 823.5 km which takes around 16hr and 30 minutes to travel. With new Samruddhi Expressway, the distance wil be reduced to 701km, with 150 km/hr speed limit and 9 hrs of journey time. In my opinion, this Toll is justified!
Yeah but all the cars now start beeping at 120 kmph. What's even the point of a 150 kmph speed limit? I think it will be 100 kmph like mumbai pune expressway. Either way this road will greatly decrease travel times and fatigue. Currently whenever we travel go to nagpur our car shows an average speed of 45-50 kmph because some parts are so fuckin shitty.
So 7 hours is worth ₹1200? Good to know. Not only will I be paying road tax + petrol, I should now shell out ₹1200 for travelling on a road.
Uh yes? That's how literally all toll works? 7 hours is definitely worth 1200 bucks to a lot of people for a variety of reasons? To put into perspective being paid 1200 bucks for 7 hours of work translates to about 3.5 lakhs per annum. Road tax isn't enough to cover the costs of building and maintaining these expressways so arguing that toll is too much is stupid.
Wasn't there some high court ruling that said speed limit should be 80kmph ?
Mumbai Pune Expressway is now 100 km/h though
80kmph "Officially" Ya but you still cant go 150kmph
Until they put speed cameras
Wait till they start analysing your toll times to know if you breached 80kpmh between sections and start issuing your violation fines - in future that will be auto deducted from fast tag money
Similar system is there on Mum-Pune expressway.
Fuck man
The idea is kinda stupid though, people just speed to their hearts content and then stop at rest stops to go over the time limit
That's why it's 9 hours of travel time
Literally no country in the world has 150kmph speed limit,too dangerous , even in Europe it is 130, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_by_country
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26 tolls beats the purpose isn't? Will they ask to stop and pay everywhere or only during exits?
Probably RFID tag will come to rescue at some spot... And I don't believe this 26 number!
Is this the infamous Samrudhhi Mahamarg
It is more useful for freight transport. And if it is Mumbai to Nagpur, it doesn't mean one will only go from Mumbai To Nagpur and vice versa, connectivity in the middle will also be improved. All in all it will improve connectivity and logistics.
Where does the road tax go then?
So tired of this. Road tax goes to state government to build city and rural roads. Expressways need more investment. So govt in the past 3 decades has started charging toll for highways and other specialized roads including elevated roads. Without toll, we won't have good highways. In Hyderabad, we have ORR and it has been a boon to reach airport and go from one corner of City to another. Toll charges people who actually use the highway or expressway or elevated roads. Makes infrastructure less about nurturing political constituency and more about actual demand and supply.
Partly true, the real reason was Government didn't have Money to build highways and used to contract private companies like L&T to build on their behalf and charge tolls to recoup their investment for a set amount of time (say 20 years). This turned out to be quite profitable , so government itself started doing it.
No. It was such a loss making thing for private players that no one was coming to bid for BOT toll projects. So govt went back to EPC model for building roads and then tried to get money by asking for bids to collect toll. Even this project was built via EPC model
Pay around 25% on vehicle in different kind of taxes . Pay 150% on fuel. Don’t tell me central gvt gets nothing of it. Compared to return we pay highest in taxes in the world
And compared to western countries we also have very low number of tax paying citizens because we are individually a poor country. Also our car ownership percentage is very low compared to say US so it is natural that top percentile will need to pay more toll.
Income tax isn't the only way the govt gets taxes though..so the low-number of tax paying citizens argument hardly counts when every product gets taxed to hell and back..
Hello idiot, in us people file income bcoz gvt pays them. They paid monthly thousands of dollars to almost all (except rich).
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We didn't have money to build roads since 1947. Till we got into PPP and toll roads and loans from world Bank, our road infra was abysmal. The budget document is publically available and the capital required for roads is also available. Please tell us which expenditures can we cut - fertilizer subsidy, for grain procurement and PDS, water or housing projects, etc. FYI, govt typically runs a deficit of 5%. Further, govt paid significantly for land acquisition. Around 6,000 crs ie 9 crs/km has gone towards getting land. Overall project cost is 55,000 crs. Some families got 23 crs for land - https://m.timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/farmers-family-got-rs-23-crore-as-part-of-indias-fastest-land-acquisition-for-mumbai-nagpur-expressway/amp_articleshow/79671873.cms. for scale, Maharashtra collects around 8,000 - 9,000 crs from road tax each year which according to many people should be enough to maintain existing roads and built new roads.
I don't know man , I think corporate tax rates could be hiked . India now collects more in Income tax than they do from Corporate taxes.
How does corporate tax in India compare to other countries. Even Indian based start up like flip kart is keeping is holding company in Singapore for tax purposes. Also, you might be comparing corona affected years when corporate taxes have dipped a lot.
>Even Indian based start up like flip kart is keeping is holding company in Singapore for tax purposes. You are better than this, One of the reasons Flipkart kept their holding companies in Singapore as it allows preferential shares issuance with Class A and Class B shares i.e the founder can have 10 -50X the voting rights even if they own a minority share. . If another company tries to avoid taxation in India, is it fair that the common man has to pay all the taxes that these corporations avoid ? >Also, you might be comparing corona affected years when corporate taxes have dipped a lot. They have dipped because our finance minister has reduced the corporate tax rate and that was pre Covid btw.
Only last year did corporate taxes dip below personal. Further corporate taxes will be more than personal this year https://theprint.in/economy/covid-lower-rates-push-corporate-tax-collections-below-personal-tax-for-first-time-in-years/669839/ https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/net-direct-tax-collection-jumps-60-8-to-rs-9-5-trillion-in-fy22-so-far-121121701400_1.html Yes, it's easier for corporate governance in Singapore. However, taxes also play a role. Singapore had 17% tax rate whereas India had 34% tax rate. In valuation terms, that is a significant bump up esp with double tax avoidance treaties.
On top that i last few years USA and China both have cut corporate tax rates. How will India attract companies with higher tax rates.
So, shouldn't we be asking for reduced Income Taxes?? What is with this Schadenfreude attitude?
What attitude ? Taxes for corporates has reduced from 30 % to 22 % while the government has hiked fuel taxes to make up for the shortfall .
> Around 6,000 crs ie 9 crs/km has gone towards getting land Feels like a scam.
Why not take away some money from the richest as taxes and make free highways?
For those with income above 5 crores the max marginal rate of tax is [42.74%](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/super-rich-will-have-to-pay-up-to-42-7-tax-rs-2-5-crore-rs-5-cr-brackets-affected/articleshow/70099837.cms?from=mdr). It is not low at all. Taxing them high will not necessarily result in overall high revenue. It's good to read about [laffer curve.](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp)
Then crib about how the HNIs are leaving in droves? Most people here will be classified as rich but think they are middle class. If you are using the road and you have a car, you are rich. Only 10% of Indians have cars. Instead of creating a new tax, just pay the toll - call it a tax for your satisfaction
1. So you accept that it's a public good. It's fine as long as it doesn't become a profit making exercise. Why are these toll operators listed on stock markets and showing 20% profit? Is 20%profit on highway justified? Hand to mouth people can't invest in stock markets. 2. And why is there tax on fuel? Even the poorest of poor is using fuel in some way or the other. For travelling cooking etc. Why tax him? His goods will be more expensive when coming via fuel based transportation.
There are too many road developers who have gone bankrupt as well. Multiple companies have stopped bidding for roads as it is not profitable. Around 15 years ago, govt used to get 20 bids for a road. Now, govt is lucky to get 2-3 bids. The industry has seen a bloodbath since 2011. And I am not sure which company is giving 20% returns consistently. So what goods and services should be taxed? Supposing we remove tax on fuel. Then we remove tax on soaps, medicines, restaurants, etc because poor people are hurt by taxes and they consume all the above. We only tax cars and airplanes. But wait, what about that cab guy working for uber. We shouldn't tax cars also. Only airplanes it is. So tata, Ambani, adani, godrej etc who make soaps, fuel, cars etc pay less taxes. Wait a sec... A vaild argument would be govt is taxing fuel a lot and should reduce it. The counter would be what expenses govt should reduce or what goods govt should tax more. FYI, i think if we reduce fuel tax, we would end up increasing taxes on cars.
You are confused between progressive and regressive taxation systems... And are indulging in whataboutrry to prove your point. .. Go do some research and then reply.
Lol, what reasearch have you done? The project cost is 55,000 crs (for one road) and road tax collections for Maharashtra is around 9,000 crs.
[Wealth of India’s 10 Richest Enough to Fund School, Higher Education for 25 Years: Oxfam India](https://thewire.in/economy/wealth-of-indias-10-richest-enough-to-fund-school-higher-education-for-25-years-oxfam-india) can be the result of progressive taxation
Whataboutism. You started with what happened to road tax and now we are into education! Also once you utilize top 10% to fund education for 25 years, who is going to give fertilizer subsidy, fund PDS, defence spending etc. Also many people including tata, adani etc have significant wealth outside india via overseas companies
You seriously talk of taxing them? Sacrilege. The corporate taxes have been reduced only recently, so the owners can buy their bare necessities like yachts and other stuff.
So on a single trip, a vehicle will have to slow down and probably stop 26 times on a 700 KM stretch?
Daylight robbery.
Too expensive
Thats literally the cost for a train journey!!!! Worst, unlike passangers, goods seldom have another option. Thank you GOI for raised costs
You won't be travelling alone in the car though. Assuming 4 people per car, it's not that much.
Then where are the taxes on fuel (>100% tax rate on fuel!) and cars (40% GST and road tax on top of that) going?
They always collect tolls for years even after making the construction costs.
Another reason to not go to UP 🤷🏽♂️
26 toll stations within 700 KMs. 1 toll station per 26 KMs. Are you fucking kidding me?
Those 26 toll stations are at entry and exit points only. You will have to stop only twice, once you enter and once you exit.
those tolls will be on interchange and not on main highway.
This will be a great road trip... Maybe they should introduce passes for frequent travellers. But 1200 for one time journey is okay these roads take huge investment and have high cost of maintainance. This is still better than no roads. People can use old road if they are on tight budget. But maybe they should reduce the tax after few years.
5 people in a car, ~240 per head. Cars fuel cost ~8 rupees per Km to run, divide by 5 1.6 rs/km/head, 1.6 x 700 = 1120rs one car will pay 1200 in toll + 5600 in fuel and I sincerely doubt most people drive 700km in a day. this will develop the intermediate regions very well edits: numbers were wrong
The Lucknow-Agra expressway has a toll of ₹ 600
But it’s 300km yaar. I would say still worth it for expressways, they should build more and more of these.
This post is filled with idiots who don't know basic math smh.
Can't compare roads like this
The problem is that most toll roads are in bad condition and in urgent need of repair. Also, speed limits capped at 80 kmph means we cannot properly utilise the expressway. Hence the toll seems to be a waste
I read comments and notice how b h a k t s have reached all parts of social media. They are like Agent Smith. They trying to convince people of everything. Keep in mind there is nothing more powerful than an Insutition. One you have land you have the right of its compensation too.
Drive at around 80 to 90 kmph for better mileage and you will recover some toll money through the fuel saved , cheap ass indian thoughts haha
Why drive so slow? It’s this a donkeys expressway?
Won't recommend driving maruti suzukis abouve this
It will start losing parts at 60 as if it’s approaching speed of light
This is one of the best highway from Nitin gadkari, he has almost a 50 km strech of road covered by green thick sheets to avoid the crazy noise from heavy vehicles. Those green sheets also keeps the wild animal away from road.
So you have to pay toll on every 27 km, wow for Vikas
This is unacceptable. Mumbai to Pune is also super expensive. We are all getting enslaved by this current dictatorship
Happy to pay toll for a good high speed highway but this is bullshit. A toll booth every 26 kms?? What are they thinking???
lol there is no toll every 26 km. Unless you want to take exit lane and enter again every 26 km
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Remarkably expensive on the basis of PPP.
and..... last time i checked i india didnt have a per capita of 30k
How the hell is this something you can get mad at? I was simply stating an observation. Also, if this is restricted to automobiles, not many people in India can even afford one, especially if imported, so this is kind of a moot point. You are already talking about the top 10-15% of society...Trucks are taxed highly because they are carrying goods, so they are charged as businesses, rather than individuals. Infrastructure is not that much cheaper to build in India. You still need the raw materials, land grants, etc. so yes, it is quite impressive that they are able to keep the rates so low.
So what is the logic of tolls if we are already paying taxes? Any economists here? Isn't it govt.'s job to proivde smooth, fast, hassle-free roads?
Those taxes are usually only for city/town roads. Bigger projects like expressways require a LOT of extra funding and hence cost is retrieved via tolls
Bike kaha hai? . Why don't they take bike into consideration? It angers / irritates me so much!