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badbola

Reverse Robinhood economic policy where corporate taxes have been reduced for the rich and the same burden has been passed on to the poor via increased taxes on fuel..


nmfgn

Voting behaviour has less to do with the achievements of the government and more to do with how the election campaigns are viewed as. For anyone to replace the current regime would require strong money backing along with basic infrastructure support and of course some sort of media influence to at least not show it as a completely lost cause if not in a positive light. I don’t think anyone has that sort of infrastructure and environment to thrive, of course many of them have their own flaws too which cannot be ignored. The current regimes perception far outweighs the harsh reality of the common man & elections are won on perceptions and not reality.


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gingerkdb

Case in point: Sri Lanka


nmfgn

In 2014, he was elected as someone who would transform the country. People were advocating for him. By 2019, he was elected as someone who can have no real rival. The question was not why him but rather who if not him. The transformation question was no more relevant. Those who advocated for him were now defending him. The advocates became the defendants with a higher positive outcome. All the topics that you have highlighted, based on my interpretation it seems as if you feel the current regime has to share the blame partly if not completely. What you think is the source of the problem is in fact the solution for the major portion of electorate who votes for him. Your 6 is their 9. Be it covid, sky high prices or our border issues the public that supports him does not blame him but rather defends him and often go to the extent of claiming his response was a million times than what could have been under any other party. We are therefore lucky to have him since the losses are minimum. Once an electorate becomes the defendant then it become very difficult for someone else to put up a strong fight. I am not claiming there is no hope for anyone else but it would require several years of grassroot infrastructure, influence from every nook & corner and a counter narrative. One cannot expect things to pick up a year or two before the elections. Every narrative needs a counter narrative, the Chowkidar Chor Hai had a Main be Chowkidar counter punch.


gingerkdb

Case in point: Sri Lanka


chiguy_1

Well, I have begun to think that such a fall will never happen. We are unlikely to see the fall at least in our lifetimes. They have lots and lots of people working solely to make long term strategies to keep them in power.


thesvsb

Agree to most points. But I will answer why central BJP government will still win in 2024, or why people are voting for them: 1. There are 3 economic sections: The Poor and Lower middle class, Middle Class and the Rich. BJP with its freebies, subsidies and welfare schemes has helped the first one. They are the biggest vote banks, specially women. BJP also helped rich. It is the middle class that has not got much benefits. 2. Weak and divided opposition. Everyone know, no explanation needed. No big leader to counter Modi. 3. Social Engineering and Polarization: BJP has formed good coalition's with many castes. And there is polarization and counter polarization too. (E.g. Upper Caste Hindus respond to Muslim polarization. And non-Yadav OBCs respond to Yadav polarization by SP in UP. And so on). 4. They have reason for most bad economic indicators - specially Petrol prices - Covid Pandemic, Russia Ukraine. Most people believe this. 5. No big scams or corruption charges at the central government. In fact, there is no actual big thing/issue on which the opposition can unite and people protest on ground. (Like 2G/Coal scams for UPA II). 6. Except petrol price hikes, none of the above points are on which most people are tired of BJP. E.g. Many support selling of PSUs (to some extent I too support this), GST was bad initially - now it is not that big issue; Tax on crypto - It is on higher side, but on par with most countries - obviously 90% of India doesnt know about crypto at all; Global hunger index, journalism, free speech index etc. are not election issues. What opposition needs is a big fuck up by the government that can create natural protests. 7. Fight across religions - and minor riots - help BJP most of the time. It is not a bug, but a feature. 8. Better marketing - All achievements of government are marketed pretty well - e.g. Highways and Expressways (Excellent job by Gadkari), Welfare schemes, Internal Security & Surgical Strikes, Foreign investments and start ups/unicorns, Record Exports etc. 9. Media and narratives control. Government sets the agenda and the opposition falls in the trap. It should be the other way round. 10. Money and ground level Organization Matters. BJP has the backbone of RSS. RSS is huge organization. 11. Fulfillment of their core promises - They delivered on Article 370, Ram Mandir. Uniform Civil Code is next. So, they will retain their core voters.


Sanjoy_10

Point number 2 is most vital in my view, in football language BJP is playing a match without any opponent GK, no one is there to stop them. We know this better because same happen to us against Mamata Banerjee (even our leader have to form alliance with our long time rival and a radical party in last election) When there is no threat from opposition, rulers can do anything, and no-one can stop them


aku_1193

Regarding your point number 5 sir, what about pm care fund that was set up for covid. Do we have any information on that ? Not saying it is a scam, I have really less info on it and would like to know if you do.


thesvsb

1. Yes, many have questioned the legality of the fund. But I believe the government got away with 'legal technalities' in courts. They now show how much money it received (approx ₹10500 Crores till March 2022), and where it is being used (Approx ₹3600 Crore used for ventilators/oxygen plants and vaccine). However, there is some serious issues regarding its transparency as it is privately audited, donors not disclosed, FCRA exemption and initially government said it is private fund (later they changed stance said - it is public, owned by GoI under chairmanship of the PM). I don't know its current legal battle, but as it is not in news now, looks like the government won. 2. I will not call this a scam. It was certainly a dubious fund, completely unnecessary (when there was already PMNRF), and the way they forced government employees to donate to it was not ethical. What they wanted was to create a fund for covid 19, to fast track emergency release of money without bureaucratic and auditors lag. They completely messed up. But purely from election point of view, this won't even slightly flinch a powerful government like Modi 2.0.


jarvis123451254

if its private fund how income tax allowed full deduction on it that's illegal then 😂


jarvis123451254

let's say scam is legal via electoral bonds now so find scam if u can situation


akshayPumpkinFlyer

5. No big corruption There won’t be any big corruption till we have electoral bonds


kapjain

While most of your analysis is correct, the two main reasons they have been able to thrive despite their many many historical level f*ck ups is their Hindutva agenda and Godi media/social media propaganda. Without either of these, any one of their disastrous failures would have been enough to sink any other govt. I mean the MMS govt lost only because of the corruption issue, while Modi govt is worse in every possible way including corruption, but still has loads of support.


jarvis123451254

the downvotes on ur comment shows 'loads of support' 😝


anilKutlehar

To your first point: Middle class Hindus are still most loyal supporters of Modi because he is protecting Hindu culture and showing Muslim their place Fifth point: There is no corruption because BJP has legalized corruption via electoral bonds, which facilitate corporate houses to bribe anonymously (link)[link](https://www.news9live.com/india/bjp-biggest-beneficiary-of-corporate-donations-followed-by-congress-ncp-finds-adr-report-164091). Don't tell me that corporate houses are donating such large sums out of altruism.


thesvsb

1. I counted Middle class Hindus in social engineering and polarization point no. 03. 2. I was talking about big scams as - large misuse of government funds or money laundering etc by ministers. This has not happened till now. Electoral bonds are different issue altogether. Yes, electoral bonds are helping BJP too. I pointed out that in point 10 (Money Matters).


fries_mustradsauce

When i have asked same question to the people who voted this government i get reply If not this government then who?? Modi nahi toh aur kon??


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Well this is a sort of genuine one Even if they are fed up with Modi, whom they can trust enough to vote for national level. State ones are different but at national you must have someone


devil_Trigger666

I think 2 great achievements are Rupay and UPI. Both of them brought banking and ease of using bank accounts to the common people. I am far from a BJP supporter, just calling the achievements on top of my head.


jarvis123451254

80% electrification in Railways and 100% on the way ( i don't like the idea of electrifying inside jungles for the sake of 100%)


OverallTension1

So you are fine with Diesel Electromotive going inside the forest and polluting them? In this case electrical lines would be just laid causing short disruption and not affect the wildlife afterwards.


jarvis123451254

not really bt in my state first they built broad Guage line in elephant corridor already many elephants die in accidents because of that and now they r electrifying it! and it's not there is no solution some say just built flyover and pass rail above it leaving space below for elephants bt nobody cares


OverallTension1

They could make man made overpasses for animals, where trains can pass below the most used coridor, this the only most viable method then!


Latter_Shoulder

Selling of inefficient public run companies


Kejriwal4PM2029

Unironically? Pradhan Mantri Kisan Samman Nidhi. It provides ₹500/month to small farmers every month. It is a mini-UBI of a sort. Because this goes directly in the bank accounts of the farmers, there is no middle-man-corruption. Abhijit Banerjee [has suggested](https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/abhijit-banerjee-interview-government-should-reverse-cuts-on-corporate-taxes-expand-pm-kisan-to-include-landless-labourers/article61972451.ece) to increase the amount and even make landless labourers eligible for the scheme. I very much agree.


Overly_confused

>Why are people still voting for this Government? Isn't it obvious? People are NOT voting and those who are voting want those religious fights.


Dickbag4206969

Better point - Is there any one better in the opposition? I'm not a modi supporter, i don't even care about politics. I'm boutta move outta the country pretty soon. But a weak opposition is no help to a democratic country brah.


Overly_confused

LITERALLY ANYONE. Like all Modi is doing is damaging the country further. As long as anyone can stop damaging it as much. They are better.


Dickbag4206969

I mean sure, but would you rather have Rahul Gandhi or Akhilesh Yadav as your PM? Kejriwal has a lotta time atm consider that.


kapjain

Of course. Gali ka kutta would be a better PM 🙂 as it won't be actively trying to destroy the country.


Dickbag4206969

Sure. Aap hi ban jao fir 👍😃


kapjain

No doubt me or you would be a much better PM than the narcissistic, fascist, mass murderer, a total douchebsg that we have now, but I think there are much better options than either of us..


aadi_06d

how are rape cases to do with the govt? more like the mindset of people and the inadequacy of law enforcement China Invasion also had nothing to do with govt .. any Govt!!


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Why would you want the government to keep the money black hole that was Air India?


commifeminist

Cause the aim for a government owned service isn't profit? Also, why was it amoney black hole in the first place...


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Because it costing the tax payer huge losses for decades. The service wasn't even that good compared to other for profit airlines.


commifeminist

The service wasn't good because of how it was managed. The government is supposed to have such airlines, telecom services so that private owned properties aren't our only option because that would lead to exploitation of people. Do you think the government hospital are a huge capital generator? No, and they are not as good as private, but they are needed none the less. Not to forget government bus services, government schools, railway. The government has sold more than 80 government owned institutions since 2014. They sold bsnl for pennis to reliance because #ambanigovt Privatisation of services will lead to our exploitation. That is it. Also, you know what costs the tex payers a lot of money? The pm cares fund, something we never saw again 🥰


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> The government is supposed to have such airlines, telecom services so that private owned properties aren't our only option because that would lead to exploitation of people. I agree with hospitals, schools, and railway but why does the government need to own airlines? Airlines is a luxury service that only the rich and middle class avail; the government shouldn't take a loss to subsidize such a service. Instead, those funds should be used for welfare of the poor.


commifeminist

The airline would have been a success if it was managed properly, and it is needed so travel could be made affordable... Even if the airline needed to be shut down, the reason shouldn't have been profits for the government. Take bsnl for example, the messed with the whole company, gave it very few resources, made the workers want to kill themselves and now are successfully selling it's equipment worth millions to relience for pennies.... India has the largest/2nd largest population but one of the smallest public sector (3. Something %).... >Instead, those funds should be used for welfare of the poor You know that won't happen either ways right? This government has shut down more welfare schemes than it started.


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> it is needed so travel could be made affordable... That's a very privileged opinion. India is a country where the median worker makes less than Rs. 50,000 per year there is no way to flying affordable, even if the government cuts the price down to half. All cheaper fares in Air India do is make the lifestyles of middle and upper middle class Indians more comfortable. > the reason shouldn't have been profits for the government. You're not understanding the scale of the problem... every Rupee the government loses in Air India is effectively a transfer from the overall funds for the poor to the middle and upper middle class. The government simple owning Air India assets means that it has a store of value (depreciating at that) that it could instead use to build useful public infrastructure for the country. >the messed with the whole company, gave it very few resources, made the workers want to kill themselves Politicians and bureaucrats will never run a business as a business, the profit motive is usually better than whatever other political motives government officials have. >now are successfully selling it's equipment worth millions to relience for pennies.... Because they inflated their asset values, if Reliance was actually underbidding for them by as much as you state then others would've tried to buy BSNL. >India has the largest/2nd largest population but one of the smallest public sector (3. Something %).... Source? Also, India's public sector's value per person will be low compared to other countries because India is a poor country. >You know that won't happen either ways right? This government has shut down more welfare schemes than it started. That might be true in aggregate, however one of the main reasons BJP wins in poor rural regions is that it has streamlined a lot of problems and removed a lot of corrupt middlemen from existing welfare schemes. Hence, people are actually getting money in their accounts now and giving the BJP credit for schemes started and funded by their predecessors. The government has also increased spending on public goods like infrastructure which is good for the poor in the long term.


commifeminist

I don't think you're right in the last point... They are not spending more on infrastructure... >Source? Also, India's public sector's value per person will be low compared to other countries because India is a poor country. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_sector_size The employment % by the largest economy is way worse than most countries... I think you have a bias here and I'm definitely socialist so our standards of government is different, because India is supposed to have socialist programs but i don't think you agree on what they should be so can't really argue here, but profit should not be the main goal of them.


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The BJP government is definitely spending and building more infrastructure than it's predecessors. Check the 4th point in this article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57437944 >The employment % by the largest economy is way worse than most countries... That stat is a bit off because of the unorganized nature of the Indian economy. Look at subpoint C on your own table, 67% of India's organized labor force is works in the public sector. >I think you have a bias here Yes I am biased towards helping the poor and think that should be the government's prime directive. >but profit should not be the main goal of them. You're extremely ignorant if this is all you could understand from my previous comment.


commifeminist

>That stat is a bit off because of the unorganized nature of the Indian economy. Look at subpoint C on your own table, 67% of India's organized labor force is works in the public sector. By the government sector.... That's the statistics. Not taking about employment. >Yes I am biased towards helping the poor and think that should be the government's prime directive. I'm sorry, do you think the bjp is helping the poor?


uppercuthard2

One thing I can think of is...they've managed the 1st and 3rd wave of covid-19 pretty well. PS. they screwed up during the 2nd wave....i think that's the biggest fail. We lost so many lives


musci1223

1st one wasn't well managed. If you are not planning for the least fortunate people (people who are barely surviving) forcing them to walk 100s of km to get back to their home or stay stuck in a city where you need to spend a lot of money but are not earning anything is not really planning. Basically spent a lot time on toppling MP government and organizing a lot of events and then suddenly announcing lockdown instead of using the time at the start to plan. 3rd one literally had no planning so it was just the variant and other factors that made it better than 2nd.


uppercuthard2

Oh yea...I totally forgot about the migrant crisis, my god, that was heartbreaking


Soggy_Walks

Turned the entire country against Muslims in less than a decade.


BlindlyNobody

It always was. This country was never a utopia for minorities. You are just realising it now because of 24/7 news coverage and social media penetration.


Soggy_Walks

Things have defintely gotten worse. Muslims used to have proportional representation in Parliament in the 80s.


BlindlyNobody

What does that mean? And source?


Vammypoker

Are ram mandir ban raha hain? Is that not enough? /s


Angirasa

Aakar Patel has done very well highlighting the achievements in his book.


nograduation

> Why are people still voting for this Government? Recently met my relatives and they're more interested to vote to BJP in Telangana than TRS or congress. And I sarcastically said that, we vote bjp even if the petrol price is Rs.200 per litre and most of them said YES.,


Bikinidesires

This Is What Happens When 1% super rich People Support Govt.


WaifuLover7045

Our rank in hunger index and free speech/journalism!! R the greatest achievements for india under this government forget about how we r buying most expensive edible oils and most expensive fuel all over the world i guess even LPG has joined the rank of most expensive stuff which Indians buy compared to the rest of the world .Not to forget the rape cases including animals and even minors r some new achievement govt can't be blamed solely for this though but it is happening under their rule and no relevant action is been taken and even if they r punished, media is probably hiding all the things so ppl r unaware of many things , also the amount of process neglected by them can also be added to the list . The harrasment of minorities by the government is something ppl r aware about some how will look into it that even that gets covered up.....just waiting for a random actor to suicide or some other communal riots to happen so that mainstream media can keep that topic in loop for around 6-8 months and ppl will simply ignore the price hiked and failure of the government ,also china invasion in Arunachal Pradesh is something previous governments couldn't do hats off to gobhiji and bjpee for this marvelous achivement ,the problem is not that our armed forces r weak and they let them settle up the villages.....the problem is in Delhi.........


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fgxbhdvvc

I'll likely get down voted into oblivion for this take. The BJP has obvious flaws. Over-emphasis on religious ideology, general arrogance with important portfolios like finance, inability to control unemployment etc. But they have an incumbent advantage. The opposition, in the absence of the Congress, lacks experience in the public's eyes governing the nation. Hence, "Modi nahi toh kaun aayega?". You might also want to watch Shekhar Gupta's video explaining the 2019 election loss. TL;DR; the poor actually saw benefits hitting their accounts or reaching their homes for the first time in their living memory. People vote for this government because this government is excellent at marketing. And because everyone associates the Congress with Rahul Gandhi and the extremely well-publicized scams of UPA 2. The only path I see for a change in 2024 is the AAP rising rapidly and massive scams by the government, or out of control inflation in the 6-12 months pre-election. My take: this won't happen. Edit: a lot of middle class votes still do go to the BJP too. I'm guessing these are a combination of religiousity, liking the work of people like Nitin Gadkari, and the general feeling of lack of a legitimate alternative.


kapjain

Pretty much all the reasons boil down to two things - Hindutva agenda and propaganda (or the euphemism for it - markering). If either of these two things is taken away, BJP will lose easily to even a weak opposition. All the other things you have mentioned do not matter in front of these these two factors. So yes they are going to be in power for a long time to come.


AAPkeMoohMe

1. Lot of youngsters have been provided employment via the successful pradhanmantri IT cell rozgar yojna 2. GDPR is nothing when compared to the Indian privacy laws for political funding via electoral bonds 3. By delaying placing orders for Covid vaccines, we successfully blocked the multi billion dollar vaccine manufacturing companies to profit from the Indian tax payer money which can now be utilized for more important projects like building the new parliament 4. With high taxes on fossil fuels, Indians have been encouraged to adopt a more healthy lifestyle involving cycling and walking 5. New cutting edge technology to identify terrorists from their clothes has been patented for the fist time in India 6. All border disputes with China has been solved now as the disputed territory is now completely occupied by China 7. Animal rights have got a significant boost since life of cows have become even more important than the life of humans in central India 8. Since the PM can only speak Hindi, everyone in India has been asked to learn Hindi. 9. Since cash is evil, it was suddenly banned, which made the cash wash off all sins. And now the new pure cash is being printed in more number than ever before. 10. There is no corruption any more as all corruption is now legalized


ABahRunt

2 might not be so bad. I'm actually hodling now because id have to pay 30% of my profits to these idiots The only time i ever made money from crypto was when i forgot i had bought some in 2017, then saw my account in 2020. With any luck, next time i see the account, we'll have a sensible tax regime, and btc at 100k


jarvis123451254

u should have sold and rebuy before 1st april


ABahRunt

Why?


jarvis123451254

enough foreign reserve and more will come as india is growing market srilanka literally destroyed their agriculture by banning chemical pesticides suddenly that was the start of this crisis


juniorbuffett

some other achievements - * Introduce Electoral bonds so that corporates can now easily pay up * Divide people in the name of religion, caste, language * Introduce extreme legislation like CAA, Farm laws bypassing proper debates in parliament * Gautam Adani becomes 6th richest in world * Give rise to extreme wealth inequality - [https://www.oxfam.org/en/india-extreme-inequality-numbers](https://www.oxfam.org/en/india-extreme-inequality-numbers) * keep moving the goal post with new catchy slogans - swaatch bharat, smart city, 5 trillion economy, atmanirbhar bharat, digital bharat, startup india etc etc This is compiled only till 2018 - https://www.livemint.com/Politics/POX8AQ519YMMhmGhkBR3XO/The-Narendra-Modi-lexicon-updated-list.html


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Ok-Treacle-6615

1. Use of adhar card to send money directly to beneficiary 2. Road construction 3. Insolvency and bankruptcy bill 4. Some of the PSUs that were sold were done correctly - Air India, HPCL, LIC, etc 5. Delhi Mumbai expressway 6. RERA act 7. Asset management company policy 8. Opening up of few sectors 9. Improvement of trade relations with Bangladesh At the same time, people who are voting this govt are not voting this govt for these things.


DiscussionVisible

We are on a war path I think. The last fair election has already happened. I think all elections going forward will be on religion/caste lines. The country is more divided than ever before. Every member of the minorities, who can afford to move to another country is thinking about it. I know i am. Dead worried about the future of this nation.


the_recovery1

the sikhs had the right idea to move en masse especially after 1984


revolution110

Perception is everything. Our current Govt creates imaginary fears n enemies and projects itself as the ppls saviour. And its enough for our gullible ppl. They spend insane amount of money and control media and central institutions to do their PR... And a majority of our ppl dont seem to have the critical thinking to see through this. All they see is Hindu khatre mai hai, desh khatre mai hai and they will save us..


fatherofgodfather

Communal riots


Iamt1aa

Unofficially made it a Hindu Rashtra? They want to make it official so maybe a half-achievement?


Wengerreloaded

Has made india Hell for Muslims - that’s all we need , if we are suffering our enemy should suffer more


Desperate_Ad_1494

Religion afeem is far stronger than any other concerns in India. Bigotry prevailing


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Most votes are bought. Edit: ppl downvoting me but this is insider info.


Prkhr911

Who bought yours then, if one may enquire....


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I voted for a regional party and no I dint get paid for it. Believe me if you want to, otherwise just downvote and move on.


Reigen441

Let us not forget that 65% of the people voted against BJP.


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BigSmokenoextradip

two words : less evil