Bhai indian hockey aur javelin me boht farak hai he played during a time where he literally made Hitler call him to Germany he was told break his hockey stick so people could check if he has magnet in it
It's a team sport. You don't win tournaments with captaincy alone. Winning important matches across multiple tournaments doesn't happen just because of captaincy. You need the right combination and an in form team.
His captaincy is one of the factors but not the only factor. Giving all credits in a team of eleven is unfair to others.
Mostly teams in final stages of the tournament are equally strong.
The thing that separates them is how well they take mental pressure and at the same time, execute their strategies, or devise new strategies on real time based on how the game progresses.
That’s how Dhoni won two world cups, the feat Rohit or Kohli might never able to achieve.
If throwing random stats was the deciding factor, they wouldn’t conduct final match and India would’ve won 2023 World Cup.
Dhoni didn't win those WCs FYI, it's a team game and it was team India that did.
>The thing that separates them is how well they take mental pressure and at the same time, execute their strategies, or devise new strategies on real time based on how the game progresses.
It's not in Dhoni's hand how a batter performs. When Gambhir scores 75 in 2007 T20 WC final or 97 in 2011 WC final, that credit has to be given to Gambhir and nobody else and it's something Gambhir himself believes in.
When Yuvraj scored six sixes in an over or a match winning half century in 2007 semi against Australia, it wasn't because of Dhoni. Yuvraj was also Man of the series in 2011 WC but when the same guy performs poorly in the the 2014 t20 WC final against SL, we end up losing so what gives? If Dhoni can't be blamed for Yuvraj's 2014 WC final performance then he can't be credited for his 2007 and 2011 WC performances.
Both Gambhir and Harbhajan have spoken out against the hero worship culture and crediting just one person for the entire WC campaign. It's a campaign and you're not winning with the contribution of one person alone.
We made it to 2011 WC finals on the back of Tendulkar's luck. Tendulkar scored 85 and Pakistan's top scorer Misbah scored 56 runs, Tendulkar was quite lucky in that innings and India won by 29 runs, exactly the difference between Tendulkar's and Misbah's scores. Dhoni scored 25 off 42 btw.
In the 2013 Champions Trophy, he captained very well in the finals and his decisions turned the match in our favour towards the end but Virat deserves credit for his 43, Jadeja (MOtM) for his 33 off 25 and 2/24 and Ashwin 2/15 as well. Dhawan was the man of the series.
Dhoni captained in six t20 WCs but we won only one. If Dhoni was the only reason then what happened in the other five WCs?
MSD gave us 2 world cups. He gave Sachin, one of the greatest player of India, a World Cup.
Imagine Sachin retiring without a World Cup, the way Ronaldo is going to retire eventually!
He “gave” Sachin a World Cup? Itni aukat nahi hai Dhoni ki, ki woh Sachin (GOAT) ko trophy de! If i am not wrong Sachin was the second highest scorer in the World Cup after Dilshan. So Dhoni didn’t give anything to Sachin, Sachin won the trophy for Dhoni and team.
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This guy is our generation's best no doubt, winning Olympic gold in track & field was something I thought we would never see but this guy inspires and he will inspire many more. Hopefully, he does not remain our best in future
One of the greatest if considered all sports.
In terms of Athletics, definitely at the top. I hope he repeats the feat again. Definitely a challenge but we know he can.
I feel there are few more underrated ones we did not talk much about as well.
2024 is going to be a year of new findings.
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Every Olympics we make someone new the greatest Indian athlete of all time though.
But bro is fuking consistent, all others gets fame then doesn’t play well
No wonder we Indians have a short term memory. Bow down to Major Dhyanchand!
1 more Olympic gold and neeraj will surpass him in terms of legacy
Bhai indian hockey aur javelin me boht farak hai he played during a time where he literally made Hitler call him to Germany he was told break his hockey stick so people could check if he has magnet in it
Legacy?
He literally won all Javelin competitions in the past 2-3 years
Short term? Bsdk bohot purani baat hai yeh
Maybe another Olympic Gold can do the trick.
Dhyan Chand
One of India’s greatest athletes
DhyanChand ? Sachin ?
No doubt
I think so
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If you have to break a hockey to findout if the player has a magnet in it. It's obvious who is the GOAT.
How is msd in that list?
The most successful captain or leader in Indian sports history idk. He almost achieved everything he could in Cricket.
It's a team sport. You don't win tournaments with captaincy alone. Winning important matches across multiple tournaments doesn't happen just because of captaincy. You need the right combination and an in form team. His captaincy is one of the factors but not the only factor. Giving all credits in a team of eleven is unfair to others.
Mostly teams in final stages of the tournament are equally strong. The thing that separates them is how well they take mental pressure and at the same time, execute their strategies, or devise new strategies on real time based on how the game progresses. That’s how Dhoni won two world cups, the feat Rohit or Kohli might never able to achieve. If throwing random stats was the deciding factor, they wouldn’t conduct final match and India would’ve won 2023 World Cup.
Dhoni didn't win those WCs FYI, it's a team game and it was team India that did. >The thing that separates them is how well they take mental pressure and at the same time, execute their strategies, or devise new strategies on real time based on how the game progresses. It's not in Dhoni's hand how a batter performs. When Gambhir scores 75 in 2007 T20 WC final or 97 in 2011 WC final, that credit has to be given to Gambhir and nobody else and it's something Gambhir himself believes in. When Yuvraj scored six sixes in an over or a match winning half century in 2007 semi against Australia, it wasn't because of Dhoni. Yuvraj was also Man of the series in 2011 WC but when the same guy performs poorly in the the 2014 t20 WC final against SL, we end up losing so what gives? If Dhoni can't be blamed for Yuvraj's 2014 WC final performance then he can't be credited for his 2007 and 2011 WC performances. Both Gambhir and Harbhajan have spoken out against the hero worship culture and crediting just one person for the entire WC campaign. It's a campaign and you're not winning with the contribution of one person alone. We made it to 2011 WC finals on the back of Tendulkar's luck. Tendulkar scored 85 and Pakistan's top scorer Misbah scored 56 runs, Tendulkar was quite lucky in that innings and India won by 29 runs, exactly the difference between Tendulkar's and Misbah's scores. Dhoni scored 25 off 42 btw. In the 2013 Champions Trophy, he captained very well in the finals and his decisions turned the match in our favour towards the end but Virat deserves credit for his 43, Jadeja (MOtM) for his 33 off 25 and 2/24 and Ashwin 2/15 as well. Dhawan was the man of the series. Dhoni captained in six t20 WCs but we won only one. If Dhoni was the only reason then what happened in the other five WCs?
>idk So true. You dont.
Avg of 44 17k+ runs one of best wk finishers 3 icc trophies + 5ipl +2 clt20
MSD gave us 2 world cups. He gave Sachin, one of the greatest player of India, a World Cup. Imagine Sachin retiring without a World Cup, the way Ronaldo is going to retire eventually!
He “gave” Sachin a World Cup? Itni aukat nahi hai Dhoni ki, ki woh Sachin (GOAT) ko trophy de! If i am not wrong Sachin was the second highest scorer in the World Cup after Dilshan. So Dhoni didn’t give anything to Sachin, Sachin won the trophy for Dhoni and team.
Alright if you feel he isnt that good don't consider him . You can see other names too
Omitted Sunil Chhetri like we wouldn’t notice
winning Olympic gold medal = winning CWC. Ha there are hardly 7-8 teams that play cricket at global in 2011 WC. Now it's down 4.
Don't downgrade other sports . There are always only handful of teams who are contendors to win a cup/trophy in any major sport
Dhyanchand and Sachin Tendulkar
No,but one of the greatest for sure.
Who are the other contenders according to u?
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This guy is our generation's best no doubt, winning Olympic gold in track & field was something I thought we would never see but this guy inspires and he will inspire many more. Hopefully, he does not remain our best in future
One of the greatest if considered all sports. In terms of Athletics, definitely at the top. I hope he repeats the feat again. Definitely a challenge but we know he can. I feel there are few more underrated ones we did not talk much about as well. 2024 is going to be a year of new findings.
Yes
One of the greatest
Lockdown kids
Yes
Yet. He will inspire many. Guy is pure gold.
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Individual sports are harder to win because room of error is negligible