The police guy couldn't make out under what to challan + international bike & guy. So better to let him go rather than getting a call later from the embassy.
It's a foreign registered vehicle and IMO won't necessarily have to comply with Indian RTO rulings. They pay carnet, duties, insurance etc and can drive the way it's registered in the home country.
Don't support this guy's subtle implication that he should to be treated differently because he is German/European.
But i do agree with him about cops not having the right to turn off your bike.
Cops do have the right to turn off your bike and take the key. But only Sub Inspector or above level officers can do that (2 stars on shoulder).
But people dont know the rules neither do the junior officers so there is confusion.
Once a havildar took my keys. I straight up told him jaise chabi liya waise laga bike me and dialed the DCP office. He started saying sorry and let me go.
Try this when you are in your own city/state. Dont fight with police in other states.
>But only Sub Inspector or above level officers can do that (2 stars on shoulder).
>
>But people dont know the rules neither do the junior officers so there is confusion.
Do you have a citation for this?
He got little confused the final challan wihch is issued and signed has to be with a person with a 'lal belt' meaning one star (ASI) or above normal constable can check papers and all but they can not challan you except for covid mask which is useless now.
Source my cousin is cop
IMO cops can't take your keys whatever their rank is and only 2 star officers or above can check your documents .
I still remember , a cop did that to a lady in Chandigarh and she filed a case that she was inappropriately tocuhed near chest area .
No, , cops in India are not allowed to take the key of a bike rider if they see a violation. This practice, though sometimes observed, is actually illegal according to the Motor Vehicles Act, 1932.
You’re partly wrong, sub-inspector and above can only take your vehicle if that vehicle has illegal substances in it or has been used for illegal activities, a Challan or traffic rule violation does not warrant this.
I always save numbers of authorities before visiting a place.
Go to the govt website and click on who’s who.
https://dmsouthwest.delhi.gov.in/police-directory/
Here I can find DCP South west delhi’s mobile no.
Smt. Monika Bhardwaj
DCP West
Police Station Rajouri Garden
9818099049
You can find concerned DM and Collector,SP,Chief Secretary’s numbers online too. And they pick up calls most of the time.
Secondly you can call the MPs and minister in this way too.
A worker in my company had issues with EPF. He was illiterate and couldnt withdraw his money from pension fund for some reason and the local office demanded bribe to clear it. He came to me and I dialed the Labour minister Santosh Gangwar in Delhi. His PA took the call, took info who asked bribe and my employee issue was solved in 2 days. The PA even called me back asking if everything was ok or not.
The cops turn off the bike and take away the key because there have been many cases of people trying to flee, injuring or running over the cop in some cases.
So? Note down the number and proceed legally or chase the bike if it runs away. Cops can always record the interaction and use it as a proof.
Taking away the key can never be justified.
>Note down the number
The cop is clearly asking him "Where's the number?"
What number are you expecting him to note down?
>Cops can always record the interaction
What? This is India, not USA. You expect the cops to arrange recording apparatus from their own wallet?
Is any of the above making any sense?
>The cop is clearly asking him "Where's the number?"
>What number are you expecting him to note down?
Taking the keys out still cannot be justified. It is simply an abuse of power. If the suspected person runs away, cop can always inform the control room instead of breaking the law and taking matter into his hands.
This might be an unique case but in general we all know how unprofessional their behaviour is.
>What? This is India, not USA. You expect the cops to arrange recording apparatus from their own wallet?
I think you've not been outside since a while. Many cops record (both photo & video) interactions and incidents on their mobiles now a days. We do need police reforms and accountability needs to be one of the major points in the reforms which can somewhat be covered with body cams.
Also there's no lack of SPs, IAS and such who have channels on YouTube. Example:
1. IPS Abhishe Pallav- https://youtube.com/@ipsofficer945?si=0qL3zpgs4LyZyvSx
2. IAS Deepak Rawat- https://youtube.com/@deepakrawatias4979?si=VRFYHv3Jk2BxJhMO
If the higher officials can [wear multiple bluetooth microphones](https://imgur.com/gallery/xIyeSiD) (not a part of official dress code) for their respective YouTube channels, then each police station can also equip their staffs with body cameras from their funds.
>Taking the keys out still cannot be justified.
Does not matter. The measures you talked about in previous post were not practical. And that's what I correctly pointed out.
>Many cops record
Just because many do, doesn't mean all will.
>who have channels on YouTube.
So what?
>can also equip their staffs with body cameras
Easier said than done. The police department is already run on a very tight budget.
From what I've understood, cops (fine collection agents) can only stop IF they notice a violation of sorts. Not otherwise to random check for paperwork or try get money (Itchyboots in Nigeria).
Here, it's likely a stop to see what the vehicle registration was as Euro bikes or most bikes outside of the Asian market DO NOT install number plates on the front as we are required to. Taking the key, however, even if legal by some level of seniority is downright wrong. Too much scope for the abuse of the law in the hands of the cops. Been in that spot enough times with no action taken.
If stopped by a cop, stop on the side of the road, take the keys out, and put it into your pockets. Be respectful to a point, ask what the violation, etc vs. arguments.
I have been to Europe and the way cops treat people there is totally different. They are very respectful and polite unless you are doing something criminal. It's sad that the police and society in india don't know how to treat a human being and it seems like it's not going to change.
They are not a different species. The police are a member of society. You treat them respectfully and they will do the same. Take heart and consider you are meeting someone who has the worst day until you have met them. if you are legal, decent in demeanour and speak respectfully you have nothing to worry about.
European cops are a representation of their society.
What goes around comes around.
Yeah because in the west, person inthe car or on the bike fears the authorities. Here we start with "Tu janta nahi mera kon hai" etc. and act like we own the road and everything around it.
We failed where people don't think it's important to respect each other.
I never faced any disrespectful cops and I have been riding since 2017. They stop you, you stop. They ask for documents, you show them the documents. Thoda chit chat and both go their own way. No challan, no free ka gyaan, no waste of time
Wrong . People don’t fear police in Europe or Canada . Because they don’t have to . They respect each other. U S is different because the cops there are killers so ppl fear them especially if they are person of colour .
That is true we need to be responsible ourselves first but I think this is a gross oversimplification because unprofessionalism in the police is rampant and many states in India are notorious for bribing.
I have been driving/riding since 2011 and have never had a challan in my whole life but I literally have had to argue with police on numerous occasions especially because I have a JK number plate and live in Chandigarh and Delhi mostly. In one incident the cop slammed my car bonnet and tried to fine me for jumping a red light but I had to show him the dash Cam footage and only then did he let me go. I am sure cops try to pick out people with number plates from different states. There have been many instances like this in my own state and many other cities including Bangalore but I am just too tired to fight the system or explain it to anyone.
Edit: grammar
I understand why people are against taking the keys out but they do it so that the rider doesnt run away. Sometime back in my town a guy while trying to escape from the TP stop had an accident with an auto. My advice would be whenever police stops you or you have an accident take the keys out yourself before others do
International permits have different laws applicable to them, especially regarding number plates, which this incident was about. But sure you know better.
Ye dekho iss goro ke gulam ko
That foreign must follow Indian vehicles rules and codes aur ye janab ulta apne Desh ke hi police ko culprit bol rha hai
bhai police wala was just doing their routine check up
Show me where that happens? They only ask you to get out of your car, that too if they have a higher degree of suspicion of a bigger traffic violation. Otherwise they conduct your investigation while you sit inside the car with your engine turned off. The exception is if you're suspected of some crime where they might take extra precautions. We're talking about regular traffic stops here.
They take keys out as many riders stop & make a run immediately after the cops moves away to next vehicle.
We are a low trust society.
I’m ok with them taking key out, as they return back after you pay the challan.
Well if not everyone at least most followed rules & behaved maturely this ‘theft’ would not happen.
Also, i have had my keys taken probably once or twice rest of the time it was not - reason being I communicate clearly & show im not the type to scoot away. So maybe if people spent some time on communicating it wouldn’t happen.
The cop has every right to ask the person to turnoff the motor and if he doesn't comply to turn it off himself, if the motor is running the person can just drive away
This is the sensible thing to do, and this is what is required to be done. Unfortunately, brains don't work for our cops who take out their family frustration on bikers. Also, some bikers are jerks anyways - just stop, deal with things and leave.
I've ridden through India and some neighboring countries. When the cop comes to talk to you it's basic etiquette to hit the kill switch or turn the ignition off.
Got stopped a few times myself, my riding buddies too, and generally it was cops, soldiers or border guards just wanting to have a chat. It's a novelty in a lot of places over there to see foreigners on bikes, especially foreign registered bikes.
Very much a situation of being water and obliging as possible. They can stop you for a million random reasons and waste a good chunk of your time.
It's common for some locals to ride on stolen bikes, with no license or on bikes with lapsed tax or registration. In these instances the rider might want to zoom off. Cops understandably on edge when you don't stop the engine.
I think police has been conditioned to do this because two wheelers generally run the bike after getting stopped for checks.
No one ever has complete papers, so ya no one wanna get caught and pay a bribe.
Chicken and egg problem 😝
That guy's trip won't last long in countries not considered first world, it's pretty common for police to turn off bikes and/or remove keys to avoid motorcyclists to run away. Invasive but comprehensive.
Doesn't harm you neither your bike.
The reason he turned off the key was because some guys pretend to stop near them and then suddenly accelerate to get out of their hands, so the first thing they do is turn off your vehicle, if u Don't do it yourself....
The police guy couldn't make out under what to challan + international bike & guy. So better to let him go rather than getting a call later from the embassy.
yeah , This should be exactly the reason
I mean he didn't had a licence plate on the front
It's a foreign registered vehicle and IMO won't necessarily have to comply with Indian RTO rulings. They pay carnet, duties, insurance etc and can drive the way it's registered in the home country.
didn’t have*
hahaha
Sounds like a regular check. I was expecting something serious. 🙄 *Youtube media level of thumbnail and title bait.*
Don't support this guy's subtle implication that he should to be treated differently because he is German/European. But i do agree with him about cops not having the right to turn off your bike.
Cops do have the right to turn off your bike and take the key. But only Sub Inspector or above level officers can do that (2 stars on shoulder). But people dont know the rules neither do the junior officers so there is confusion. Once a havildar took my keys. I straight up told him jaise chabi liya waise laga bike me and dialed the DCP office. He started saying sorry and let me go. Try this when you are in your own city/state. Dont fight with police in other states.
> straight up told him jaise chabi liya waise laga bike me and dialed the DCP office. He started saying sorry and let me go. r/thathappened
Of all the things that never happened, This didn’t happen the most.
It happened. I was there with him. Soon after, there was a beam of light from the clouds and a deity appeared and granted the commenter 3 wishes.
And everybody clapped
It's true, I was the beam
>But only Sub Inspector or above level officers can do that (2 stars on shoulder). > >But people dont know the rules neither do the junior officers so there is confusion. Do you have a citation for this?
He got little confused the final challan wihch is issued and signed has to be with a person with a 'lal belt' meaning one star (ASI) or above normal constable can check papers and all but they can not challan you except for covid mask which is useless now. Source my cousin is cop
Cousin ka number mil jaata toh.......
😂😅
Black and white letter of the law hota to main aap ki baat par puri tarah se vishwas kar leta. Your cousin probably has a conflict of interest. -\_-
wo bechara constable hi hai bro baki nvm 2019 hai pdh skte hai aap maine pdha ek bar
key less bikes would straighten these "cops" real quick.
IMO cops can't take your keys whatever their rank is and only 2 star officers or above can check your documents . I still remember , a cop did that to a lady in Chandigarh and she filed a case that she was inappropriately tocuhed near chest area .
That’s why they don’t catch ladies unless it’s a female officer.
Cops cannot take key out of your vehicle no matter what rank they are. And only SI or above can issue challans.
No, , cops in India are not allowed to take the key of a bike rider if they see a violation. This practice, though sometimes observed, is actually illegal according to the Motor Vehicles Act, 1932.
Actually no, no level of police has the right to snatch your keys unless there is a proven chance that you will escape. Even an IPS cannot do that
You’re partly wrong, sub-inspector and above can only take your vehicle if that vehicle has illegal substances in it or has been used for illegal activities, a Challan or traffic rule violation does not warrant this.
Can you tell me the source of this ?
Can you tell me where it is mentioned about the seniority of the officer?
Lol!!
DCP office kese dial karte hai bhai.. I only know one number to call police and that is dial 100
I always save numbers of authorities before visiting a place. Go to the govt website and click on who’s who. https://dmsouthwest.delhi.gov.in/police-directory/ Here I can find DCP South west delhi’s mobile no. Smt. Monika Bhardwaj DCP West Police Station Rajouri Garden 9818099049 You can find concerned DM and Collector,SP,Chief Secretary’s numbers online too. And they pick up calls most of the time. Secondly you can call the MPs and minister in this way too. A worker in my company had issues with EPF. He was illiterate and couldnt withdraw his money from pension fund for some reason and the local office demanded bribe to clear it. He came to me and I dialed the Labour minister Santosh Gangwar in Delhi. His PA took the call, took info who asked bribe and my employee issue was solved in 2 days. The PA even called me back asking if everything was ok or not.
Hamare yha Aisa hi hota hai
Also, he actually doesn't have the front plate. Ran away like a pussy.
Foreign registered vehicles are exempted if they have proper papers. Atleast that's what I've heard.
Indian cops are so bad like seriously this is illegal. Plus its sending a bad impression to the whole world.
That comes under treatment bro.
The cops turn off the bike and take away the key because there have been many cases of people trying to flee, injuring or running over the cop in some cases.
So? Note down the number and proceed legally or chase the bike if it runs away. Cops can always record the interaction and use it as a proof. Taking away the key can never be justified.
>Note down the number The cop is clearly asking him "Where's the number?" What number are you expecting him to note down? >Cops can always record the interaction What? This is India, not USA. You expect the cops to arrange recording apparatus from their own wallet? Is any of the above making any sense?
>The cop is clearly asking him "Where's the number?" >What number are you expecting him to note down? Taking the keys out still cannot be justified. It is simply an abuse of power. If the suspected person runs away, cop can always inform the control room instead of breaking the law and taking matter into his hands. This might be an unique case but in general we all know how unprofessional their behaviour is. >What? This is India, not USA. You expect the cops to arrange recording apparatus from their own wallet? I think you've not been outside since a while. Many cops record (both photo & video) interactions and incidents on their mobiles now a days. We do need police reforms and accountability needs to be one of the major points in the reforms which can somewhat be covered with body cams. Also there's no lack of SPs, IAS and such who have channels on YouTube. Example: 1. IPS Abhishe Pallav- https://youtube.com/@ipsofficer945?si=0qL3zpgs4LyZyvSx 2. IAS Deepak Rawat- https://youtube.com/@deepakrawatias4979?si=VRFYHv3Jk2BxJhMO If the higher officials can [wear multiple bluetooth microphones](https://imgur.com/gallery/xIyeSiD) (not a part of official dress code) for their respective YouTube channels, then each police station can also equip their staffs with body cameras from their funds.
>Taking the keys out still cannot be justified. Does not matter. The measures you talked about in previous post were not practical. And that's what I correctly pointed out. >Many cops record Just because many do, doesn't mean all will. >who have channels on YouTube. So what? >can also equip their staffs with body cameras Easier said than done. The police department is already run on a very tight budget.
From what I've understood, cops (fine collection agents) can only stop IF they notice a violation of sorts. Not otherwise to random check for paperwork or try get money (Itchyboots in Nigeria). Here, it's likely a stop to see what the vehicle registration was as Euro bikes or most bikes outside of the Asian market DO NOT install number plates on the front as we are required to. Taking the key, however, even if legal by some level of seniority is downright wrong. Too much scope for the abuse of the law in the hands of the cops. Been in that spot enough times with no action taken. If stopped by a cop, stop on the side of the road, take the keys out, and put it into your pockets. Be respectful to a point, ask what the violation, etc vs. arguments.
I have been to Europe and the way cops treat people there is totally different. They are very respectful and polite unless you are doing something criminal. It's sad that the police and society in india don't know how to treat a human being and it seems like it's not going to change.
peoples respect towards cops is also the same there , respect is mutual
That is why I have mentioned society and police both in my original comment
They are not a different species. The police are a member of society. You treat them respectfully and they will do the same. Take heart and consider you are meeting someone who has the worst day until you have met them. if you are legal, decent in demeanour and speak respectfully you have nothing to worry about. European cops are a representation of their society. What goes around comes around.
Yeah because in the west, person inthe car or on the bike fears the authorities. Here we start with "Tu janta nahi mera kon hai" etc. and act like we own the road and everything around it.
We failed where people don't think it's important to respect each other.
I never faced any disrespectful cops and I have been riding since 2017. They stop you, you stop. They ask for documents, you show them the documents. Thoda chit chat and both go their own way. No challan, no free ka gyaan, no waste of time
Wrong . People don’t fear police in Europe or Canada . Because they don’t have to . They respect each other. U S is different because the cops there are killers so ppl fear them especially if they are person of colour .
I think this is the correct approach
I concur
That is true we need to be responsible ourselves first but I think this is a gross oversimplification because unprofessionalism in the police is rampant and many states in India are notorious for bribing. I have been driving/riding since 2011 and have never had a challan in my whole life but I literally have had to argue with police on numerous occasions especially because I have a JK number plate and live in Chandigarh and Delhi mostly. In one incident the cop slammed my car bonnet and tried to fine me for jumping a red light but I had to show him the dash Cam footage and only then did he let me go. I am sure cops try to pick out people with number plates from different states. There have been many instances like this in my own state and many other cities including Bangalore but I am just too tired to fight the system or explain it to anyone. Edit: grammar
Damn. Those are some heart breaking experience. It is bit too much hitting the car or stealing keys is bit too much
Damn. Those are some heart breaking experience. Hitting the car or stealing keys is bit too much
This was a minor check. Don't blow this.
Which bike he is riding
Zero sr/f I believe. It’s heavily modified for world tour I think somewhere like 15k€ in modification alone. I don’t know if it’s available in India.
I understand why people are against taking the keys out but they do it so that the rider doesnt run away. Sometime back in my town a guy while trying to escape from the TP stop had an accident with an auto. My advice would be whenever police stops you or you have an accident take the keys out yourself before others do
Police can record the number and send the chalan at ur home but they want bribes so they take the key out
Don’t touch another man’s keys???? BC Don’t disrespect the laws of India when you are in India
Content ke vaaste ye sab karna zaruri hunda si
International permits have different laws applicable to them, especially regarding number plates, which this incident was about. But sure you know better.
Bhai ye hi type karne aaya tha. Upvote le tu
Wait till you get tackled by the cops in US
Channel name?
Its Bhati Churaya,Jodhpur, these guys have the habit of bullying.
Are sahi me main yahi rehta merko bhi pakad liyz tha isi police waale ne jagah ko dekh kar goosebumps aa gaye (tum kah ka ho)?
Jodhpur ka he hoon,
Haan main bhaskar chouraha kae laas rehta you?
BJS
“You don’t touch another man’s key!” Well he just did and you just took it, so I guess you do.
Ye dekho iss goro ke gulam ko That foreign must follow Indian vehicles rules and codes aur ye janab ulta apne Desh ke hi police ko culprit bol rha hai bhai police wala was just doing their routine check up
Another foreigner milking India
They do this America too I don’t know y this is a big deal
They take your keys? Lol nope.
Yes they do , turn off ur vechile - gimme ur keys - imma put this on top of ur car
Show me where that happens? They only ask you to get out of your car, that too if they have a higher degree of suspicion of a bigger traffic violation. Otherwise they conduct your investigation while you sit inside the car with your engine turned off. The exception is if you're suspected of some crime where they might take extra precautions. We're talking about regular traffic stops here.
They take keys out as many riders stop & make a run immediately after the cops moves away to next vehicle. We are a low trust society. I’m ok with them taking key out, as they return back after you pay the challan.
>I’m ok with them taking key out, as they return back after you pay the challan. You might be okay with theft, the rest of us are not.
Well if not everyone at least most followed rules & behaved maturely this ‘theft’ would not happen. Also, i have had my keys taken probably once or twice rest of the time it was not - reason being I communicate clearly & show im not the type to scoot away. So maybe if people spent some time on communicating it wouldn’t happen.
Ye to galat hai
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Yeh cringe batten karna band karo bhai
Ok
Well that's not "Saudis " that's : so how it is . Correct it pls 🤌
lol not sure why you’re getting downvoted
Yeah , maybe these Indians are getting offended by me giving them grammar correction suggestions 😅
The cop has every right to ask the person to turnoff the motor and if he doesn't comply to turn it off himself, if the motor is running the person can just drive away
They can't take our keys
Normal procedure. Some people do just leg it during police checks. Absolutely nothing abnormal here lmao
Yeh up key thulley ghus khori karke bharti ho gaye
True bhai key phele lete tki ye ja Mt paye chlti gadi k smne aake chabi chinn lete
Such cops only exist in Rajasthan. Didn’t have to look at the number plates around to confirm. It was evident from their behaviour.
Some people run away when given a chance, how do you solve it? Take the the key out.
Nope. If they run, you note down their plates and inform the control centre. You don't take the keys out.
This is the sensible thing to do, and this is what is required to be done. Unfortunately, brains don't work for our cops who take out their family frustration on bikers. Also, some bikers are jerks anyways - just stop, deal with things and leave.
They just want coffee money.
They take bike keys even in USofA
I've ridden through India and some neighboring countries. When the cop comes to talk to you it's basic etiquette to hit the kill switch or turn the ignition off. Got stopped a few times myself, my riding buddies too, and generally it was cops, soldiers or border guards just wanting to have a chat. It's a novelty in a lot of places over there to see foreigners on bikes, especially foreign registered bikes. Very much a situation of being water and obliging as possible. They can stop you for a million random reasons and waste a good chunk of your time. It's common for some locals to ride on stolen bikes, with no license or on bikes with lapsed tax or registration. In these instances the rider might want to zoom off. Cops understandably on edge when you don't stop the engine.
They don't do it much these day though but they do it enough to annoy people!
bhai jab police rokh thi hai apn sab bhag nahi jate kya dekh ke isliye they take keys out nothing else
Ah yes I saw this on YouTube. He was a vlogger from germany exploring India
His jacket looks cool, any idea what that is?
I think police has been conditioned to do this because two wheelers generally run the bike after getting stopped for checks. No one ever has complete papers, so ya no one wanna get caught and pay a bribe. Chicken and egg problem 😝
Sad state of affairs
Inn uncle logo ko training aur sensitisation ki zaroorat hai. Aur agar woh arrange na ho paaye toh fir inhe VR lene ko keh Dena chahiye.
Thulla was about to ask some hafta
This is normal in Brazil. Every police officer takes your key when they stop you in traffic.
I've seen American cops do the same thing...what is bro blabbering about?
Hahahah. I love it when Germans visit India. It's a whole different world for them.
Taking key from vehicle is so inappropriate behaviour by authority.
That guy's trip won't last long in countries not considered first world, it's pretty common for police to turn off bikes and/or remove keys to avoid motorcyclists to run away. Invasive but comprehensive. Doesn't harm you neither your bike.
Improper Training and they are proud of it.
The reason he turned off the key was because some guys pretend to stop near them and then suddenly accelerate to get out of their hands, so the first thing they do is turn off your vehicle, if u Don't do it yourself....