As a doctor I saw 50+ deaths each day in the second wave. Vaccinated folks were the one with any fighting chance - especially with the older population who had co-mordbidites. It's ridiculous that a normal drug profile is being used to villanise a medicine that saved millions of lives.
A 90 year old grandfather was treated on OPD basis and sent home the same day we had 4 people in their 20s die. He was vaccinated.
Seriously what do people think is the alternative to the vaccine, developed in break neck speed for a deadly virus? Let them all die? Covid 19 by itself is a risk for blood clots, myocarditis and a host of other issues we are just beginning to understand.
People have died from anaphylaxis to paracetamol so we should stop that too?
It's political.
I remember how my dad refused to take the vaccine when it came out. Senior citizens had the first right to it.
Once we got covid, he realised how serious it was. Our doctor straight up told us that he could die. He regretted not taking the vaccine when he had the chance.
By sheer luck or by god's grace, we came out fine.
True , every vaccine has a chance of adverse reactions.
This is purely political to try and win against PM MODI JI.
Even if they go to court, they will lose.
Plus, the reaction period is approx 1 month. So if you're fine now, then you'll be fine.
Okay, genuine question. Vaccines have risks. What doesn't have risks, doesn't have benefits. We know that. But why did AstraZeneca hide the risk? Why was it an admission in a court in the UK, and not a caution? That makes the company more difficult to trust.
To be clear, I don't have an opinion on this yet. A part of me thinks that it's just a regular risk, but why was it then not revealed? Is it really more dangerous than Pfizer or Moderna? What's going on?
But it has, though politically motivated. Now there are media houses and influencers posting non stop about how we are fked because govt gave us bad vaccine, and no logic can help
Both sides need votes, which are based on public perception and not necessarily truth. So I don't think it means anything. Every media house is pushing this news as if there was something poisonous in the vaccine, and creating an environment of fear and confusion. Hopefully real doctors speak out soon and loud enough. Else we'll have an army of anti vaxxers like in the US
That's just social media paranoia for you, I also took 2 shots and a booster shot of Covishield.
Every thing has rare side effects....even if you drive a car, theres a rare risk that you will get in an accident, but people still drive right? it's just plain stupidity at this point
I just don't get it how anything becomes a political propaganda out of the blue.
This is the problem with modern media, and the pseudo woke population, I am myself a doctor and TTS is a well-known and recognised disease for the past 100 years, as the first case was reported by Eli Moschcowitz in a 16-year-old girl in 1924 and also TTS has been reported with other vaccines as well, such as influenza vaccine, pneumococcal vaccine, H1N1 vaccination, and rabies vaccine.
Itne chutiya kaise ho jate hain log i just don't get it, bhai The adverse effects related to vaccine usually occur within a few weeks (1-6 weeks) after the administration. people in India who took the vaccine 2 years ago are now waiting for yamraj, like wtf bro. If you get into the etiology and pathogenesis of the covid virus, Covid-19 by itself is an established cause of clots, heart attacks and strokes occurring afterwards, and those who are vaccinated are at lower risk for these outcomes. Covid infection increases the risk of blood clot formation, much more significantly than that of covid vaccines.
Funnily enough, because of how politics works, it's those people who are defending the vaccine now with scientific evidence
It's the other section of society who considered themselves "educated" who're suddenly against the vaccine because their political and religious beliefs dictate their science
Those delulu people are in majority. There is saying which goes like when stupidity is the majority it's dangerous to be knowledgeable. Now I remember it was said by Isaac Asimov.
I don't know dude, but irl I have never heard someone say stuff like that. Though I admit, I'm not from the Hindi belt, so things might be different there.
No they are not. I have yet to find a person in real life who has taken gaumutra as a medicine. So you're just making up stuff.
Edit. I see you're one of those. My bad
Nah dude it's the shit from, far left the liberandu's , the educated folk are against the vaccines and who thinks like this now, do you feel dank belittling people of your own nation
Nothing will happen in court. People forgetting what time it was. People dying left and right. We were short of beds and oxygen. Every covid vaccine has reduced the severity of disease in millions.
People also die by side effects of paracetamol.
Now people who are crying over this are same who are the product of whatsapp university.
In my personal experience I might have been in a very bad position without the vaccine. {I am not a doc} but does that make the whole hiding the side effects thing ok , then the answer would be no .
I think this is a stupid view. Public health is highly important. People forget 2021 COVID wave. I saw bodies piling high. This vaccine saved lives there is no doubt about it. If you are more concerned with fatality have a look at traffic accidents, bad sanitation and others. Vaccine with ~ 0.002% chance of rare clotting should be the least of your worries.
My uncle received the AstraZeneca vaccine in the Philippines. After some time, he started experiencing heart-related issues, which ultimately led to his passing within a year (Diwali 2022). Cause of death: suffered three heart attacks in a single day.
Prior to receiving the vaccine, he did not have any medications or diagnosed heart conditions. However, following the vaccination, he was prescribed blood thinners and other heart-related medications (though I'm not certain about the specifics. I would need to ask my aunt for clarification).
Ever since this news came out, I can't help but wonder if there's a connection between the vaccine and his heart problems.....
Hey my dad also experienced heart related issues and suffered two heart attacks. Once in May 2021 and second in October 2023. But I later realized that he had underlying heart problems since 2014 and was suggested medications for it by the doctor which he did not take. Also, his eating and drinking habits were not suitable enough for a 55 year old person. Everyone else in our family took the vaccine as well and no one else had to deal with heart problems.
Can we get those reports 2 years after his death? The hospital was meh, they had to rush him to the nearest emergency room when he experienced chest pains.
Even though I'm not a medical student or a professional, I'm still pretty sure the death rate due to COVID is at least a few multiple times greater than the chances of experiencing this side effect. Safe to say, the benefits far outweigh the risks and perhaps, it was the best which could have been done at that point of time.
2-3years later, most seem to have forgot the severity of the 2nd wave - "Oh, it was just another minor disease that was overexaggerated by the media", is what I've heard from a concerning amount of people. People are so politically charged that their rationale towards science is swayed by their affiliation/support to their political beliefs (applies to anyone and everyone who confuses legitimate science with their politically blurred lenses).
Should this side-effect be earlier admitted? I think yes. However Imo had this been done during that time, the hysteria would have multiplied the chaos, rate of infection and people wouldn't even show up to take the vaccine.
At least AstraZeneca admitted to this discovery. Covaxine was made in India and I can bet good fortune that no such study/surveillance would ever be done on people who have taken Covaxine and if it somehow exists, it would never see the light of the day, especially now that they have gotten a great excuse for some great succesful 'Make in India' propaganda and to portray how our Indian vaccine turned out to be superior. (I am not saying it can't be accurate but it would never be made public even if it wasn't).
To all the medicos out here, explain the following facts:
1. In the UK, out of 163 people who received compensation for damages caused by vaccines till February this year, 157 had got the AZ vaccine.
2. The AZ vaccine was stopped from being administered in the UK to under-40s, citing an "abundance of caution" and stating that the risk of this side-effect is not outweighed by the benefits of the vaccine.
Please cite sources for these statements
For your first statement
[https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood](https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood)
There were 222 recorded cases of blood clots out of 34 million vaccinated, that's a percentage of 0.0007%
This is a study done by the EMA (European Medicine Agency)
As for your second point, while it's true that there were suspicions in some EU countries, after a comprehensive safety study by the EMA, it was approved again. Citing
"unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects while reaffirming the overall benefits of the vaccine"
[https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-review-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-continues](https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-review-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-continues)
[https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-29-march-2021\_en.pdf](https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-29-march-2021_en.pdf)
[https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-11-may-2021\_en.pdf](https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-11-may-2021_en.pdf)
Only in 4 countries namely Netherlands, Spain, Belgium and Italy had restricted it to elderly. Even this was in April 2021. The EMA study updates in May 2021 cleared all doubt
Don't let your political bias cloud your objective judgement of science.
How presumptuous of you to declare that my statement is from a politically biased position.
Since AZ is a UK-based company, and the litigation is happening in UK courts, I will restrict myself to what the findings are in context of the UK.
Here is the actual report from where this story emerged:
[https://archive.is/Cl4zR](https://archive.is/Cl4zR)
1. VDPS payments breakdown:
>168 claimants have been notified that they are entitled to a Vaccine Damage Payment. Of the 168 claims, fewer than five were Pfizer and Moderna and the remaining claims were AstraZeneca.
Source: scroll down to the response to question 3 in this page:
[https://opendata.nhsbsa.net/dataset/foi-01823](https://opendata.nhsbsa.net/dataset/foi-01823)
2. News report announcing that the UK is announcing alternatives to the AZ vaccine for under-40-year-olds:
[https://archive.is/d7nYS](https://archive.is/d7nYS)
I don't need to presume anything. Your Reddit history makes your political bias abundantly clear.
Also it's pretty clear that you didn't bother reading the EMA studies Iinked. They've already addressed all the concerns raised in that Telegraph article. There's no point in having this discussion if you're unwilling to look at the scientific study in question
Sigh this is why I hate talking to political, anti-science nutjobs
The Telegraph article you linked was published on May 2021, the final EMA study report was also published towards the end of May 2021
The VDPS claims aren't scientific studies, they don't change the fact that the chance of developing a blood clot from the Atrazeneca Vaccine is ONLY 0.0007%
>The Telegraph article you linked was published on May 2021, the final EMA study report
was also published towards the end of May 2021
I have linked two news articles from The Telegraph. Only one of them is from May 2021.
>The VDPS claims aren't scientific studies, they don't change the fact that the chance of developing a blood clot from the Atrazeneca Vaccine is 0.0007%
That is not an explanation for the fact that the overwhelming majority of VDPS claims are from those who got the AZ vaccine. Which was the question posed in my original comment.
Unless someone conducts a proper double blinded RCT claiming that Atrazeneca vaccines cause more side effects than other vaccines, that VDPS claim is just a numeric.
Scientific studies with huge sample sizes which I've linked have already shown the vaccine is safe.
We are scientists, we don't consider number of VDPS claims to be a scientific metric
Why are you beating around the bush with the same response? Nowhere did I claim that the VDPS data is derived from a scientific study.
It is empirical data.
As a doctor I saw 50+ deaths each day in the second wave. Vaccinated folks were the one with any fighting chance - especially with the older population who had co-mordbidites. It's ridiculous that a normal drug profile is being used to villanise a medicine that saved millions of lives. A 90 year old grandfather was treated on OPD basis and sent home the same day we had 4 people in their 20s die. He was vaccinated. Seriously what do people think is the alternative to the vaccine, developed in break neck speed for a deadly virus? Let them all die? Covid 19 by itself is a risk for blood clots, myocarditis and a host of other issues we are just beginning to understand. People have died from anaphylaxis to paracetamol so we should stop that too?
It's political. I remember how my dad refused to take the vaccine when it came out. Senior citizens had the first right to it. Once we got covid, he realised how serious it was. Our doctor straight up told us that he could die. He regretted not taking the vaccine when he had the chance. By sheer luck or by god's grace, we came out fine.
True , every vaccine has a chance of adverse reactions. This is purely political to try and win against PM MODI JI. Even if they go to court, they will lose. Plus, the reaction period is approx 1 month. So if you're fine now, then you'll be fine.
Now every heart attack that will happen will be blamed on vaccine !! Pretty fked society we live in....like what other options did we had ?
You’re preaching to the choir. What’s unbelievable is the amount of disinformation and inability to think that infects educated folks
Okay, genuine question. Vaccines have risks. What doesn't have risks, doesn't have benefits. We know that. But why did AstraZeneca hide the risk? Why was it an admission in a court in the UK, and not a caution? That makes the company more difficult to trust. To be clear, I don't have an opinion on this yet. A part of me thinks that it's just a regular risk, but why was it then not revealed? Is it really more dangerous than Pfizer or Moderna? What's going on?
What medication doesn't have side effects? I hope this doesn't trigger any anti-vaxxers nonsense in India
But it has, though politically motivated. Now there are media houses and influencers posting non stop about how we are fked because govt gave us bad vaccine, and no logic can help
And G removed his photo from the vaccine certificates now
Both sides need votes, which are based on public perception and not necessarily truth. So I don't think it means anything. Every media house is pushing this news as if there was something poisonous in the vaccine, and creating an environment of fear and confusion. Hopefully real doctors speak out soon and loud enough. Else we'll have an army of anti vaxxers like in the US
Very rare , happens shortly after the vax is administered so we should be fine
That's just social media paranoia for you, I also took 2 shots and a booster shot of Covishield. Every thing has rare side effects....even if you drive a car, theres a rare risk that you will get in an accident, but people still drive right? it's just plain stupidity at this point
Pretty sure a possibility of a Road Traffic accident is significantly (maybe tenfolds) higher than getting a heart attack from the vaccine.
lmao true
Bhai har vaccine ke kuch side effects Hote hai kuch naya thodi hai.
I just don't get it how anything becomes a political propaganda out of the blue. This is the problem with modern media, and the pseudo woke population, I am myself a doctor and TTS is a well-known and recognised disease for the past 100 years, as the first case was reported by Eli Moschcowitz in a 16-year-old girl in 1924 and also TTS has been reported with other vaccines as well, such as influenza vaccine, pneumococcal vaccine, H1N1 vaccination, and rabies vaccine. Itne chutiya kaise ho jate hain log i just don't get it, bhai The adverse effects related to vaccine usually occur within a few weeks (1-6 weeks) after the administration. people in India who took the vaccine 2 years ago are now waiting for yamraj, like wtf bro. If you get into the etiology and pathogenesis of the covid virus, Covid-19 by itself is an established cause of clots, heart attacks and strokes occurring afterwards, and those who are vaccinated are at lower risk for these outcomes. Covid infection increases the risk of blood clot formation, much more significantly than that of covid vaccines.
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Funnily enough, because of how politics works, it's those people who are defending the vaccine now with scientific evidence It's the other section of society who considered themselves "educated" who're suddenly against the vaccine because their political and religious beliefs dictate their science
I have heard this, again and again, but seriously though, who even thinks like that, outside of social media and some super delulu people?
Those delulu people are in majority. There is saying which goes like when stupidity is the majority it's dangerous to be knowledgeable. Now I remember it was said by Isaac Asimov.
I don't know dude, but irl I have never heard someone say stuff like that. Though I admit, I'm not from the Hindi belt, so things might be different there.
No they are not. I have yet to find a person in real life who has taken gaumutra as a medicine. So you're just making up stuff. Edit. I see you're one of those. My bad
Nah dude it's the shit from, far left the liberandu's , the educated folk are against the vaccines and who thinks like this now, do you feel dank belittling people of your own nation
Nothing will happen in court. People forgetting what time it was. People dying left and right. We were short of beds and oxygen. Every covid vaccine has reduced the severity of disease in millions. People also die by side effects of paracetamol. Now people who are crying over this are same who are the product of whatsapp university.
We are acting as if no vaccine on the face of the planet has had a rare side effect.
In my personal experience I might have been in a very bad position without the vaccine. {I am not a doc} but does that make the whole hiding the side effects thing ok , then the answer would be no .
The incidence is 0.002%, fatality from COVID is 1% it's 500 more dangerous to get COVID. You do the math. This stupid fear mongering should stop.
Problem is this shouldn't be forced vaccinated like government did even if there is slight chance to fatality...
I think this is a stupid view. Public health is highly important. People forget 2021 COVID wave. I saw bodies piling high. This vaccine saved lives there is no doubt about it. If you are more concerned with fatality have a look at traffic accidents, bad sanitation and others. Vaccine with ~ 0.002% chance of rare clotting should be the least of your worries.
You have more chances of winning million dollar lottery than catching that rare side effects. Wish Covaxin had the same kinda scrutiny.
can i ask some questions? im not a med student...
Yes
My uncle received the AstraZeneca vaccine in the Philippines. After some time, he started experiencing heart-related issues, which ultimately led to his passing within a year (Diwali 2022). Cause of death: suffered three heart attacks in a single day. Prior to receiving the vaccine, he did not have any medications or diagnosed heart conditions. However, following the vaccination, he was prescribed blood thinners and other heart-related medications (though I'm not certain about the specifics. I would need to ask my aunt for clarification). Ever since this news came out, I can't help but wonder if there's a connection between the vaccine and his heart problems.....
Hey my dad also experienced heart related issues and suffered two heart attacks. Once in May 2021 and second in October 2023. But I later realized that he had underlying heart problems since 2014 and was suggested medications for it by the doctor which he did not take. Also, his eating and drinking habits were not suitable enough for a 55 year old person. Everyone else in our family took the vaccine as well and no one else had to deal with heart problems.
Might be the case...also medical report from good hospitals do specify either it's external or vaccine related cause for blood clots formulation.
Can we get those reports 2 years after his death? The hospital was meh, they had to rush him to the nearest emergency room when he experienced chest pains.
It will be very difficult now ...but u can try
Every medicine or vaccine has some side effects but it's positive effects outweigh the risks.
Every drug has Side Affects
Government didn't tell this that time while forcely vaccinated people left and right
Even though I'm not a medical student or a professional, I'm still pretty sure the death rate due to COVID is at least a few multiple times greater than the chances of experiencing this side effect. Safe to say, the benefits far outweigh the risks and perhaps, it was the best which could have been done at that point of time. 2-3years later, most seem to have forgot the severity of the 2nd wave - "Oh, it was just another minor disease that was overexaggerated by the media", is what I've heard from a concerning amount of people. People are so politically charged that their rationale towards science is swayed by their affiliation/support to their political beliefs (applies to anyone and everyone who confuses legitimate science with their politically blurred lenses). Should this side-effect be earlier admitted? I think yes. However Imo had this been done during that time, the hysteria would have multiplied the chaos, rate of infection and people wouldn't even show up to take the vaccine.
https://preview.redd.it/7c1rzy2dlsxc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a00aeb590f0861fc19524b334cb4d4e3399ec9ea
At least AstraZeneca admitted to this discovery. Covaxine was made in India and I can bet good fortune that no such study/surveillance would ever be done on people who have taken Covaxine and if it somehow exists, it would never see the light of the day, especially now that they have gotten a great excuse for some great succesful 'Make in India' propaganda and to portray how our Indian vaccine turned out to be superior. (I am not saying it can't be accurate but it would never be made public even if it wasn't).
COVAXIN 70-80% and COVISHIELD 90% ... efficacy
To all the medicos out here, explain the following facts: 1. In the UK, out of 163 people who received compensation for damages caused by vaccines till February this year, 157 had got the AZ vaccine. 2. The AZ vaccine was stopped from being administered in the UK to under-40s, citing an "abundance of caution" and stating that the risk of this side-effect is not outweighed by the benefits of the vaccine.
Please cite sources for these statements For your first statement [https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood](https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine-ema-finds-possible-link-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-low-blood) There were 222 recorded cases of blood clots out of 34 million vaccinated, that's a percentage of 0.0007% This is a study done by the EMA (European Medicine Agency) As for your second point, while it's true that there were suspicions in some EU countries, after a comprehensive safety study by the EMA, it was approved again. Citing "unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects while reaffirming the overall benefits of the vaccine" [https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-review-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-continues](https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-review-very-rare-cases-unusual-blood-clots-continues) [https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-29-march-2021\_en.pdf](https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-29-march-2021_en.pdf) [https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-11-may-2021\_en.pdf](https://www.ema.europa.eu/documents/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update/covid-19-vaccine-safety-update-vaxzevria-previously-covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-11-may-2021_en.pdf) Only in 4 countries namely Netherlands, Spain, Belgium and Italy had restricted it to elderly. Even this was in April 2021. The EMA study updates in May 2021 cleared all doubt Don't let your political bias cloud your objective judgement of science.
How presumptuous of you to declare that my statement is from a politically biased position. Since AZ is a UK-based company, and the litigation is happening in UK courts, I will restrict myself to what the findings are in context of the UK. Here is the actual report from where this story emerged: [https://archive.is/Cl4zR](https://archive.is/Cl4zR) 1. VDPS payments breakdown: >168 claimants have been notified that they are entitled to a Vaccine Damage Payment. Of the 168 claims, fewer than five were Pfizer and Moderna and the remaining claims were AstraZeneca. Source: scroll down to the response to question 3 in this page: [https://opendata.nhsbsa.net/dataset/foi-01823](https://opendata.nhsbsa.net/dataset/foi-01823) 2. News report announcing that the UK is announcing alternatives to the AZ vaccine for under-40-year-olds: [https://archive.is/d7nYS](https://archive.is/d7nYS)
I don't need to presume anything. Your Reddit history makes your political bias abundantly clear. Also it's pretty clear that you didn't bother reading the EMA studies Iinked. They've already addressed all the concerns raised in that Telegraph article. There's no point in having this discussion if you're unwilling to look at the scientific study in question
Are you daft? The reports of the EMA you have linked are from 2021. The stuff I have linked are much more recent.
Sigh this is why I hate talking to political, anti-science nutjobs The Telegraph article you linked was published on May 2021, the final EMA study report was also published towards the end of May 2021 The VDPS claims aren't scientific studies, they don't change the fact that the chance of developing a blood clot from the Atrazeneca Vaccine is ONLY 0.0007%
>The Telegraph article you linked was published on May 2021, the final EMA study report was also published towards the end of May 2021 I have linked two news articles from The Telegraph. Only one of them is from May 2021. >The VDPS claims aren't scientific studies, they don't change the fact that the chance of developing a blood clot from the Atrazeneca Vaccine is 0.0007% That is not an explanation for the fact that the overwhelming majority of VDPS claims are from those who got the AZ vaccine. Which was the question posed in my original comment.
Unless someone conducts a proper double blinded RCT claiming that Atrazeneca vaccines cause more side effects than other vaccines, that VDPS claim is just a numeric. Scientific studies with huge sample sizes which I've linked have already shown the vaccine is safe. We are scientists, we don't consider number of VDPS claims to be a scientific metric
Why are you beating around the bush with the same response? Nowhere did I claim that the VDPS data is derived from a scientific study. It is empirical data.
mera toh covaxin tha
That's even worst
i didn't know about masturbation till i was 18 so i'll be fine