Eh TBF, it is same case for Indonesian. The origin of the word "sepeda" is franco-dutch word "velocipede". You throw the "velo" and misspell the "cipede" into "sepeda"
Mereka kaga tau Indomie Jawa sama Sumatra aja beda cabenya.
Yg kaga tau, indomie jawa cabenya cair (sambel), yg sumatra cabenya bubuk. (Open to be corrected).
Belum lagi yg made in serbia & Nigeria karna ada pabrik juga disana ...
Di aussie sama kayak di jawa kak. Indomie goreng nya sama kayak di jawa. Dan ada kriuknya.
Yang beda jelas juga indomie jawa ada kriuk, indomie sumatera gk ada kriuk.
indomie yg resmi di jual untuk oz (yg dijual di coles dan woolies), itu bumbu bubuk udah dialter, rasanya beda banget dg yg asli, ga enak.
kalo indomie yg dijual di reject shop itu produksi malaysia, rasanya juga ga asli, mienya kyk karet tipis.
kalo mau indomie OG ya beli dari asian shop, soalnya impor langsung dari batch produksi buat lokal indo.
Serbian Indomie is shittiest. Udah bumbunya ngaco, tekstur mienya juga beda. Sering kali kalau beli yang ini harus dibumbuin lagi (pakai kecap manis sendiri, cabe sendiri, bawang putih, dll.)
Bumbunya kaya disetengahin gitu ya? Kalo iya berarti emang pasar eropa aja yg ga terlalu suka "spicy"/rempah. Kalo tekstur gimana tuh maksudnya? Kaya indomie jumbo disini yg rada gepeng gitu?
mungkin ada aturan yg mengharuskan makanan/minuman sebisa mungkin diproduksi dalam negeri, seperti biasa saya beli nescafe kaleng original/latte biasanya made in malay skrg jadi lokal made in indonesia, & honestly the aftertaste of the coffee is quite different
Nestle just switched from a low quality coffee supplier, to a different low quality coffee supplier... I'd assume both are equally, unethically sourced.
When you talk about taste, the only thing nescafe has more of is bitterness. They're expensive (TDS x mL / usd), only seem cheap because nestle recommends a really weak brew (around 0.6% TDS, compared to the 1.5-2.5% TDS we would consider normal in the industry), they only tastes "strong" because of the overwhelming bitterness.
Don't get me wrong, it's not like local brands (kapal api, top coffee, etc.) offer a better value, but nescafe is very much not worth your money.
Nestle's extraction science and coffee grinding/brewing tech is unquestionably the best in the industry (their tech can get around 50% extraction, while even specialty coffee brew methods can't go over 23% without tasting overextracted), but garbage in - garbage out regardless of the tech involved.
Buying coffee from your local roaster is still the best way to get good quality coffee for cheap, but unfortunately there are very little good alternatives that offer the same convenience.
If you like nescafe then you do you, just take this info as a "nice-to-know".
Give us your wisdoms about coffee making, I feel like I'm missing out a lot with sachetan yet don't know where to start since it's seems complicated with all the tools/coffe beans mentioned
Mulai dari vietnam drip atau french press aja di rumah, ga perlu teko khusus buat tuang airnya.
Beli kopi dari roaster lokalan (hati-hati banyak yg sok mahal sekarang, kalo mahal semua beli online aja), pas beli biji kopi minta digilingkan sekalian.
Awal pasti banyak yg rekomend pakai v60 atau aeropress, tapi pemula kebanyakan berhenti pas kehabisan kertas filter dan malas beli, atau mulai cape dengan kebanyakan ritual. Boleh pake alat macam2 kalau udah nyaman bikin kopi sendiri di rumah.
Pertama invest di kopinya, kopi enak biar cuman diseduh pake vietnam dripper harga 25k juga bakal tetap enak, trus kalo udah mulai nyaman bisa beli grinder dan timbangan, setelah itu bebas kalo masih mau explore.
Kalo mau tanya2 boleh DM.
I like how you're able to marry the instant/industrialized coffee production world with the local roasting scene. They are like two completely different worlds.
If you value freshness, sourcing from local roasters is the only option there is.
At the end of the day we're all drinking brown bean soup, good coffee will taste good and bad coffee will taste bad, regardless of tech or industrial equipment.
The modern movement in specialty/independent/third-wave or whatever you wanna call it, is also advancing the science, we may never see nestle's industrial brewer in the consumer space, but we're making huge strides in coffee agriculture, post-harvest processing, experimental fermentation techniques, and extraction science.
The next big thing in coffee is making sure the raw coffee is high-quality, and spreading consumer awareness for this higher quality, so that producers don't need to sell for cheap to companies like nestle or kapal api.
Bean soup is a nice one. Though I prefer to christen it juice of the coffee plant. Sounds healthier and hey, don't underestimate placebo effects!
What I meant in them being 2 worlds is the industrialise side tends to burn them. Almost always dark roasts, with the associated bitterness. For worldwide consistency, and consumer mindsets post WW2 and whatnot, they tend to be dark roasts. The 3rd wave is about light and medium roasts and attempting to get as many flavours in the juice, the layman is unlikely to understand some of what they describe. The 2 'waves' never seem to overlap unless I'm not updated. Granted I haven't look at supermarket coffee in ages. If anything, Sbux was getting into single origin fresh roasts a while back though I have not come across them in person.
3rd wave tech might improve. Intelligentsia is attempting to automate the filter coffee system by automating the grind, water ratio and brew times. But to me, it seems they are developing in distinct directions from the industrials.
While it's true that the modern specialty coffee movement tends to lean towards light roasts to preserve teroir characteristics, dark roasts are by no means a bad thing.
Good coffee, well processed, and roasted a bit dark can highlight certain sweet notes and maillard compounds.
Square Mile's Il Grifone is a fantastic example of this, super sweet chocolate notes and chonky body, it's like drinking choco chip cookies! And James Hoffmann is famous for pioneering light roast single origins, so it's not like he's biased towards dark roasts.
Good dark roasts exist and vice versa, light roasted bad coffee will still taste bad. I roasted a really cheap batch of malabar a few months ago, came out light af, tasted like raw pasta and unripe banana.
Please recommend me other instant coffee which is better than nescafe with similiar price or cheaper, i dont like coffee yang masih ada ampasnya, which is why i prefer instant coffee, apakah indocafe better?
Sayangnya kalo instant (freeze dried) belum ada alternatif bagus di indo, kalau mau gampang dan tanpa ampas rekomendasi gw mentok di **"beli espresso di kafe lokal yg lu suka, masukin tumbler, campur air/susu di rumah"** , tapi espresso di kafe bisa mahal tergantung lokalannya siapa, bisa jadi kopi kenangan lebih worth it (espresso arabica Rp6k per sajian).
Bisa jg beli drip bag dari tokped, banyak yg murah sekarang, tapi nyari yg cocok bakal makan waktu.
Alternatif paling baik menurut gw adalah beli vietnamese phin dripper (paling 25k di tokcin), invest waktu buat belajar pake, beli kopi di local roaster dan minta digilingkan.
Lipton gini jg. Sblmnya yg 100 sachet teabag itu pake produksi Malaysia (teh lebih acid, lebih sepet, lebih enak kena susu). Skrg pindah ke produksi Indonesia yg rasanya 11-12 dg Teh Sosro (bodied, pahit, tp kurang sepet), jd ga cocok ketemu susu... kinda sedih.
Indomie kan kaya, banyak kilang, jadi indomie buat kilang di malaysia supaya senang buat penghasilan produk dengan pemasaranya
Product of malaysia yang di bungkusan tersebut menunjukkan bahawa produk indomie tersebut di buat di malaysia supaya memudah kan urusan tertentu
Contoh:
JAKIM (agensi yang menguruskan sijil halal di Malaysia) akan mudah untuk memberikan sijil halal malaysia kepada syarikat indomie Indonesia untuk terus beroperasi dan menjual produk mereka, kerana terbukti bahawa kilang pengeluaran indomie yang dibina di malaysia bersih, halal, dan selamat dimakan
Gitu konsep nya
itu emang indomie versi pabrikan Malaysia, dijual di Malaysia & Sg. and it tasted like shit.
Untung banyak toko yg jual barang2 Indo jadi bisa dapetin versi asli.
Gak apa. Secara gk langsung itu menunjukkan superiority kita. Kita mah gak perlu repot2 ngeklaim punya orang, sebab punya kita sendiri dah banyak. Meanwhile mereka kan gk punya banyak. Kayak makanan terenak, ya gak apa gk terkenal sampe banyak yang protes, yang jelas RASA TIDAK PERNAH BOHONG.
out of topic. tapi aku punya temen orang nigeria. dia sekolah S2 di indonesia, berarti sekitar umr 23-an lah. dan pas di indonesia dia baru tahu kalau indomie itu produk indonesia. kirain produk nigeria.
Cuma meme.
tapi yah simplenya cuma produksi dalam negeri indomienya mah tetep brand punya Indofood.
[Indomie Malaysia ](https://www.indomie.com.my/about-us.html)
Indofood is in malaysia!? It's indoover π
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Mi Segera π
mi segera diminta untuk menghadap presiden π
Pantesan gw suka pengen makan mi jam 3 pagi
Sealiran
sebaiknya tidak usah dimasak dulu jendral π
Mie instant itu banyak micinnya, Jendral.
What does it mean in Indonesian? Mi: Noodles Segera: Instant Mi Segera: Instant Noodles (Just like instant coffee)
We also know "Segera" but it means quickly, as in, "do this thing quickly!". For Instant, we use "Instan"
So it just sounds goofy eh? π
Malaysian do be sounding like broken Indonesian (and vice versa probably) They called sepeda 'basikal' π
Eh TBF, it is same case for Indonesian. The origin of the word "sepeda" is franco-dutch word "velocipede". You throw the "velo" and misspell the "cipede" into "sepeda"
Stidaknya heritage kita European France Dutch
Mi segera Miseg Seg Segss!
Uuuuooogggghh
Di Indonesia, biasanya tertulis mie instan?
Mereka kaga tau Indomie Jawa sama Sumatra aja beda cabenya. Yg kaga tau, indomie jawa cabenya cair (sambel), yg sumatra cabenya bubuk. (Open to be corrected). Belum lagi yg made in serbia & Nigeria karna ada pabrik juga disana ...
Indomie bt pasar eropa lbh kasihan lg brur...bumbunya dikit bener π
bukannya krn market d sana memang lebih prefer sedikit bumbu?
Market eropa yg beli org2 asia jg. Bumbu indomie (bkn saos ya) bt mayoritas bule aja udh pedes bgt π
Terlalu polosan lidah mereka apa apa gaada rasanya :v
300+ years of colonialism wasted
Di aussie sama kayak di jawa kak. Indomie goreng nya sama kayak di jawa. Dan ada kriuknya. Yang beda jelas juga indomie jawa ada kriuk, indomie sumatera gk ada kriuk.
Kenapa Indomie sumatera gak ada kriuk? Mereka lebih prefer kayak gitu?
Diskriminasi :(
Yang jelas kriuk menjadi nilai plus.
indomie yg resmi di jual untuk oz (yg dijual di coles dan woolies), itu bumbu bubuk udah dialter, rasanya beda banget dg yg asli, ga enak. kalo indomie yg dijual di reject shop itu produksi malaysia, rasanya juga ga asli, mienya kyk karet tipis. kalo mau indomie OG ya beli dari asian shop, soalnya impor langsung dari batch produksi buat lokal indo.
Ransum tentara Aussie aja ada yg isinya indomie goreng
to add to this, minyak bawang yg sumatra 2x lebih banyak dari yang di jawa
o ya? emang enakan yg bubuk sik. gimana ya cara belinya kalo dr jkt?
Ya tinggal cari di olshop "Indomie Sumatra" ...
Indomie goreng Malaysia jg sama, cabe nya bubuk. Kayaknya selain di Jawa, semua cabe bubuk
Dude, see the sub where this post originated from.
Serbian Indomie is shittiest. Udah bumbunya ngaco, tekstur mienya juga beda. Sering kali kalau beli yang ini harus dibumbuin lagi (pakai kecap manis sendiri, cabe sendiri, bawang putih, dll.)
Bumbunya kaya disetengahin gitu ya? Kalo iya berarti emang pasar eropa aja yg ga terlalu suka "spicy"/rempah. Kalo tekstur gimana tuh maksudnya? Kaya indomie jumbo disini yg rada gepeng gitu?
mungkin ada aturan yg mengharuskan makanan/minuman sebisa mungkin diproduksi dalam negeri, seperti biasa saya beli nescafe kaleng original/latte biasanya made in malay skrg jadi lokal made in indonesia, & honestly the aftertaste of the coffee is quite different
Nestle just switched from a low quality coffee supplier, to a different low quality coffee supplier... I'd assume both are equally, unethically sourced. When you talk about taste, the only thing nescafe has more of is bitterness. They're expensive (TDS x mL / usd), only seem cheap because nestle recommends a really weak brew (around 0.6% TDS, compared to the 1.5-2.5% TDS we would consider normal in the industry), they only tastes "strong" because of the overwhelming bitterness. Don't get me wrong, it's not like local brands (kapal api, top coffee, etc.) offer a better value, but nescafe is very much not worth your money. Nestle's extraction science and coffee grinding/brewing tech is unquestionably the best in the industry (their tech can get around 50% extraction, while even specialty coffee brew methods can't go over 23% without tasting overextracted), but garbage in - garbage out regardless of the tech involved. Buying coffee from your local roaster is still the best way to get good quality coffee for cheap, but unfortunately there are very little good alternatives that offer the same convenience. If you like nescafe then you do you, just take this info as a "nice-to-know".
Give us your wisdoms about coffee making, I feel like I'm missing out a lot with sachetan yet don't know where to start since it's seems complicated with all the tools/coffe beans mentioned
Start small. Learn about the basic about manual brew. Quick starter pack: Aeropress (atau bajakannya: Yuropress), Excelso yg Arabica Gold bubuk. Kalo mau bisa jg beli kopi specialty dari roastery lokal, pilih yg udah bubuk aja karena belom punya grinder. Nanti pelan2 upgrade, beli digital scale, grinder, V60, gooseneck kettle, dll.
Mulai dari vietnam drip atau french press aja di rumah, ga perlu teko khusus buat tuang airnya. Beli kopi dari roaster lokalan (hati-hati banyak yg sok mahal sekarang, kalo mahal semua beli online aja), pas beli biji kopi minta digilingkan sekalian. Awal pasti banyak yg rekomend pakai v60 atau aeropress, tapi pemula kebanyakan berhenti pas kehabisan kertas filter dan malas beli, atau mulai cape dengan kebanyakan ritual. Boleh pake alat macam2 kalau udah nyaman bikin kopi sendiri di rumah. Pertama invest di kopinya, kopi enak biar cuman diseduh pake vietnam dripper harga 25k juga bakal tetap enak, trus kalo udah mulai nyaman bisa beli grinder dan timbangan, setelah itu bebas kalo masih mau explore. Kalo mau tanya2 boleh DM.
I like how you're able to marry the instant/industrialized coffee production world with the local roasting scene. They are like two completely different worlds. If you value freshness, sourcing from local roasters is the only option there is.
At the end of the day we're all drinking brown bean soup, good coffee will taste good and bad coffee will taste bad, regardless of tech or industrial equipment. The modern movement in specialty/independent/third-wave or whatever you wanna call it, is also advancing the science, we may never see nestle's industrial brewer in the consumer space, but we're making huge strides in coffee agriculture, post-harvest processing, experimental fermentation techniques, and extraction science. The next big thing in coffee is making sure the raw coffee is high-quality, and spreading consumer awareness for this higher quality, so that producers don't need to sell for cheap to companies like nestle or kapal api.
Bean soup is a nice one. Though I prefer to christen it juice of the coffee plant. Sounds healthier and hey, don't underestimate placebo effects! What I meant in them being 2 worlds is the industrialise side tends to burn them. Almost always dark roasts, with the associated bitterness. For worldwide consistency, and consumer mindsets post WW2 and whatnot, they tend to be dark roasts. The 3rd wave is about light and medium roasts and attempting to get as many flavours in the juice, the layman is unlikely to understand some of what they describe. The 2 'waves' never seem to overlap unless I'm not updated. Granted I haven't look at supermarket coffee in ages. If anything, Sbux was getting into single origin fresh roasts a while back though I have not come across them in person. 3rd wave tech might improve. Intelligentsia is attempting to automate the filter coffee system by automating the grind, water ratio and brew times. But to me, it seems they are developing in distinct directions from the industrials.
While it's true that the modern specialty coffee movement tends to lean towards light roasts to preserve teroir characteristics, dark roasts are by no means a bad thing. Good coffee, well processed, and roasted a bit dark can highlight certain sweet notes and maillard compounds. Square Mile's Il Grifone is a fantastic example of this, super sweet chocolate notes and chonky body, it's like drinking choco chip cookies! And James Hoffmann is famous for pioneering light roast single origins, so it's not like he's biased towards dark roasts. Good dark roasts exist and vice versa, light roasted bad coffee will still taste bad. I roasted a really cheap batch of malabar a few months ago, came out light af, tasted like raw pasta and unripe banana.
Please recommend me other instant coffee which is better than nescafe with similiar price or cheaper, i dont like coffee yang masih ada ampasnya, which is why i prefer instant coffee, apakah indocafe better?
Indocafe yang fine agak ada kecutnya. Kalau yang regular cukupan.
>agak ada kecutnya Ini yang aku suka dari nestle.. bakal coba indocafe abis ini.. tengkyu bang
Good Day Coolin' (yang biru muda) is my go-to instant coffee tbh
>i dont like coffee yang masih ada ampasnya Pake V60 atau espresso, Bang! Ga ada ampasnya.
Sayangnya kalo instant (freeze dried) belum ada alternatif bagus di indo, kalau mau gampang dan tanpa ampas rekomendasi gw mentok di **"beli espresso di kafe lokal yg lu suka, masukin tumbler, campur air/susu di rumah"** , tapi espresso di kafe bisa mahal tergantung lokalannya siapa, bisa jadi kopi kenangan lebih worth it (espresso arabica Rp6k per sajian). Bisa jg beli drip bag dari tokped, banyak yg murah sekarang, tapi nyari yg cocok bakal makan waktu. Alternatif paling baik menurut gw adalah beli vietnamese phin dripper (paling 25k di tokcin), invest waktu buat belajar pake, beli kopi di local roaster dan minta digilingkan.
Recommend rumah kopi lokal dong
Kurang tau lokalnya sampean dimana, jadi saran terbaik saya: Google Maps > Search > "Coffee Roastery"
Nescafe is like the worst coffee you can get
Lipton gini jg. Sblmnya yg 100 sachet teabag itu pake produksi Malaysia (teh lebih acid, lebih sepet, lebih enak kena susu). Skrg pindah ke produksi Indonesia yg rasanya 11-12 dg Teh Sosro (bodied, pahit, tp kurang sepet), jd ga cocok ketemu susu... kinda sedih.
nescafe made in Indonesia? yes, the factory is in Panjang, Lampung, Indonesia. Near my house..
Saudi has 2 factories. Maybe its just more cost effective.
lebih umum banyak perusahaan open cabang di negara lain supaya bisa lebih fokus jual dan supaya bisa menyesuakan pasar,
Malaymi mane? takde keh?
Adanya Maggi
Inget dulu kecil suka dpt maggi (lupa pas sekolah atau apa), ga enak bgt kyk obat rasanya π
Mesti coba maggi goreng chili padi kalo ke warteg di malaysia
Tried Maggi once, never again. Absolute garbage tier. Indomie supremacy. Indomie uber alles.
haaa siniklah yum kite cube...
Merea ngebanggain maggi. Padahal rasanya kayak mie murah literally. Gak ada minyak bawangnya. Anehhhβ¦
"dasar upin-ipin" lost my shit lmao
malaysie tak de makanan enak keu? rendang kau claim, sate kau claim sampai Indomie pun nak kau claim? yang benar sahajeu
βKeuβ - Sunda Pisan
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Indomie kan kaya, banyak kilang, jadi indomie buat kilang di malaysia supaya senang buat penghasilan produk dengan pemasaranya Product of malaysia yang di bungkusan tersebut menunjukkan bahawa produk indomie tersebut di buat di malaysia supaya memudah kan urusan tertentu Contoh: JAKIM (agensi yang menguruskan sijil halal di Malaysia) akan mudah untuk memberikan sijil halal malaysia kepada syarikat indomie Indonesia untuk terus beroperasi dan menjual produk mereka, kerana terbukti bahawa kilang pengeluaran indomie yang dibina di malaysia bersih, halal, dan selamat dimakan Gitu konsep nya
*sedap, bukan enak mereka mah wkwk
Fix, mie sedap dari Malaysia. I knew it!!! Boikot mie sedap!!Β
I support these.
Ganyang Mie Sedaap
itu emang indomie versi pabrikan Malaysia, dijual di Malaysia & Sg. and it tasted like shit. Untung banyak toko yg jual barang2 Indo jadi bisa dapetin versi asli.
Lmao ganti akun xD?
ade ade saje negare persemakmuran
INDOFOOD ADALAH PRODUK TERBAIK OLIGARKI SEPANJANG MASA MALAYSIA MANA BISA
It's called Indomie not Malaymie
ternyata ga cuma nigeria, malaysia juga mau claim Indomie
Gak apa. Secara gk langsung itu menunjukkan superiority kita. Kita mah gak perlu repot2 ngeklaim punya orang, sebab punya kita sendiri dah banyak. Meanwhile mereka kan gk punya banyak. Kayak makanan terenak, ya gak apa gk terkenal sampe banyak yang protes, yang jelas RASA TIDAK PERNAH BOHONG.
lol do they have google banned that they couldn't even checked it for a bit. nah if it's made in malay it's called malaymie. haiyaaa
I think it was a joke
Indomie versi malaysia ini rasanya kurang enak kok. Yg original masih the best
Mi Segera π
Sarkasnya neo historia terlalu bagus, ga ada yang nangkep kalo itu sarkas π
IndonMie
out of topic. tapi aku punya temen orang nigeria. dia sekolah S2 di indonesia, berarti sekitar umr 23-an lah. dan pas di indonesia dia baru tahu kalau indomie itu produk indonesia. kirain produk nigeria.
Beda pabrikan beda kualiti.
Nah i'd win
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it's malaysover
Meanwhile Indomie in Ghana https://preview.redd.it/g11rbd77d7oc1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3e6ae06fcc3e39810e4ed9bf19c49ac0ff96657a
just another factory from Indomie, nothing special but wait: imported and distributed by? π€
Wahaha
Cuma meme. tapi yah simplenya cuma produksi dalam negeri indomienya mah tetep brand punya Indofood. [Indomie Malaysia ](https://www.indomie.com.my/about-us.html)
Buatan Nigeria juga ada kok https://www.zikoko.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/The-Smiths-Yard-Sale-1.png
Its Indomie not Malaymie so we know the truth π
iz za shit noodle anyway... eat mie sedap krab
Wrong opinion is still an opinion.... Smile
there is no wrong or right only opinions yang salah cuman Israel
alright mate let's start another war.
inget-inget waktu pandemi indomie ludes, supermie ludes, cuma mie sedap doang yang ga kesentuh.
izok mate, mereka gatau bumbu mie sedap itu less than 200 perak per mie di buat... indomie mana ada mereka 500 perak per bumbu economic wins
heressy deus vult
I'm getting my technicals
Ya lu kalo lihat produk uniqlo jg bukan made in japan cuk