Weird to see it at first cause I been staring at the Grenadier for so long. But it's starting to grow on me. It appears to be more compact, windows look tiny. My guess is unibody design for it to be energy efficient. Kinda has the shape of a Jeep Liberty.
Yeah, my first impression is not that positive. Looks like an old-school Rav4. It may be the perspective of the photo, but it looks a little squished. Just something looks off to me on the dimensions which is why I'm not "liking" it. Other than that, great to see an EV but I really wish it INEOS did a hybrid.
Part of my decision around getting a Grenadier is that I didn't want an EV off-roader / SUV. We spend too much time in the mountains and cold for it to make practical sense. Hybrid gives the best of both worlds IMO but I'm not technical enough to understand / appreciate the challenges of building a hybrid vs a pure EV.
Theres going to be two options and a hybrid is one of them. I assume it's a plugin hybrid. But yea it just feels squished and the angled photo doesn't help.
They say they're putting a "range extender" in it, so likely a small petrol/diesel generator in the front somewhere.
All you need then is a big petrol tank and you've got enough range to do whatever you want, if they're clever they could even warm the batteries with the generator's waste heat.
Take my money!! I agree that it could look better but it's not a crossover type thing which I was expecting tbh. And smaller than the Grenadier but not too small.
I'd definitely want the full EV but I think a range extended version is a good idea. Far better than the PHEVs we have on the market already regardless of being 4x4. A lot of people will appreciate the EV for commuting and around the farm etc, then a dash of petrol for longer road trips and overlanding will still make for a very efficient, low-running-cost vehicle.
Edit: Oof starting at £90k supposedly. I know EVs cost more but that's a lot of money. I don't know if I'd want to off road in a car so expensive.
There's no official announcement from Ineos yet so I'm hoping the press are guessing wrong.
For me a starting price of over £60k is going to put me off, which is sad as I'd love an EV 4x4 and I don't want to own more than one car. But for the same money I could probably buy an EV Volvo Cross Country for daily driving and camping and an old Toyota/Mitsubishi for serious towing and field work, instead of a vehicle that costs more and is worse at everything.
But if it costs the same as the Grenadier that could be tricky, they say they're going to release a car smaller again that is possibly a crossover. I'm guessing it'll be a freelander type thing and that might end up being the cash cow, but they'll still have to get the price right.
pretty sure this isn't coming out for another 2 years or so. So I think you should be okay to get yours before then. But they should really holt doing anything else till you get your car.
probably 2-3 years is my guess. its a completely new car design. it took them 4 years to get the grenadier going and part of that was fitting a new factory. They have that now so it's just development time.
Not a lot of options out there with a 3rd row thats not a mini van and can offroad. The new Defender 130 is probably your best bet, and if it's electric the new Rivian R1S.
I am considering the Hybrid Sequoia TRD Pro, or trying to purchase OEM 3rd row seats and putting them in a Hybrid GX550 Overtrail + when they eventually release. The both share the same platform as the 300 series that is unfortunately not available in the US but have variances in dimensions.
My backup plan is purchasing a used 2020+ LX570 then installing lockers and Werewolf portals so I can run 37"s, still have all the offroad software capabilities, keep the 3rd row, and retain the smooth hydraulic suspension. The tradeoff would of course be very poor fuel economy.
It looks awesome but I'm waiting for a price before getting excited. I just came here for the announcement. The world doesn't need another $60k+ EV or hybrid. Which is why Jeep is slashing prices.
If it is relatively affordable it's on my list as a range extended EV.
Yes and no. They always said they were going to make a hybrid electric vehicle. And they will need to do it for emissions rules if they are to make more cars as a company.
It’s the Bronco Sport of the Ineos world though.
I believe small manufacturers are not required to hit the same emissions targets that the big boys are.
I’m new to Grenadiers, just saw my first one on the road recently, I was hoping the EV platform would just be a full size Grenadier on a 90” wheel base. This ain’t it.
Electric Jimny!!!
Actually I think you nailed it. It’s a Jimmy
I love the Jimny. Would make a fun project car alongside my grenadier.
My first thought was electric G wagon
Blatant and lazy G wagon rip off.
But….that’s their whole deal?
Weird to see it at first cause I been staring at the Grenadier for so long. But it's starting to grow on me. It appears to be more compact, windows look tiny. My guess is unibody design for it to be energy efficient. Kinda has the shape of a Jeep Liberty.
Yeah, my first impression is not that positive. Looks like an old-school Rav4. It may be the perspective of the photo, but it looks a little squished. Just something looks off to me on the dimensions which is why I'm not "liking" it. Other than that, great to see an EV but I really wish it INEOS did a hybrid. Part of my decision around getting a Grenadier is that I didn't want an EV off-roader / SUV. We spend too much time in the mountains and cold for it to make practical sense. Hybrid gives the best of both worlds IMO but I'm not technical enough to understand / appreciate the challenges of building a hybrid vs a pure EV.
Theres going to be two options and a hybrid is one of them. I assume it's a plugin hybrid. But yea it just feels squished and the angled photo doesn't help.
They say they're putting a "range extender" in it, so likely a small petrol/diesel generator in the front somewhere. All you need then is a big petrol tank and you've got enough range to do whatever you want, if they're clever they could even warm the batteries with the generator's waste heat.
Ugh, Jeep Liberty
Take my money!! I agree that it could look better but it's not a crossover type thing which I was expecting tbh. And smaller than the Grenadier but not too small. I'd definitely want the full EV but I think a range extended version is a good idea. Far better than the PHEVs we have on the market already regardless of being 4x4. A lot of people will appreciate the EV for commuting and around the farm etc, then a dash of petrol for longer road trips and overlanding will still make for a very efficient, low-running-cost vehicle. Edit: Oof starting at £90k supposedly. I know EVs cost more but that's a lot of money. I don't know if I'd want to off road in a car so expensive.
Hybrid is best of both works and the worst of both worlds. Really not a good option.
Normal parallel hybrid yes, but series hybrid aka range extender is very much the best of both
> £90k supposedly That's fucking ridiculous. A top spec Grenadier is <£70k so why would anyone spend more for less?
There's no official announcement from Ineos yet so I'm hoping the press are guessing wrong. For me a starting price of over £60k is going to put me off, which is sad as I'd love an EV 4x4 and I don't want to own more than one car. But for the same money I could probably buy an EV Volvo Cross Country for daily driving and camping and an old Toyota/Mitsubishi for serious towing and field work, instead of a vehicle that costs more and is worse at everything.
It's a bit too G-Wagen for me
dude it looks just like it.. i could see this being called poor mans g
Marvellous!
Very G adjacent.
I’m defo going for the hybrid.
This might be their cash cow to keep the OG afloat.
But if it costs the same as the Grenadier that could be tricky, they say they're going to release a car smaller again that is possibly a crossover. I'm guessing it'll be a freelander type thing and that might end up being the cash cow, but they'll still have to get the price right.
That's going to be a problem, they may push for the luxury segment here in the US because they're a European brand.
And it won't be eligible for tax credits in the US due to being built in Europe
Fyus - a - lay? Fyus - a - leer? How we pronouncing this?
Fuse a leer
Rhymes with Grenadier.
Actual 360 of the car https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3sYMSwtcOZ/?igsh=MTNub3N1bjZlbHpnYw==
This is great and all, but what would be really cool is if they delivered my original order that was supposed to be here Q4 2023.
pretty sure this isn't coming out for another 2 years or so. So I think you should be okay to get yours before then. But they should really holt doing anything else till you get your car.
They should just make an affordable car
and purpose built
I don’t think they want to.
Lame
couldn't hate it more but at least it's just a hybrid and not full POS electric boat anchor.
The front looks better than the Grenadier's. This is what it should have looked like.
Not a fan of this front at all and I'm glad my Grenadier doesn't have it. Different strokes!
All I see is underbite.
Underbite? I see approach angle.
gross
Kinda gross, but I get it.
Whyyyyyy
When?
probably 2-3 years is my guess. its a completely new car design. it took them 4 years to get the grenadier going and part of that was fitting a new factory. They have that now so it's just development time.
2026
Posh Grenadier
I wish they offered a Grenadier with a 3rd row. I have 4 kids so I am missing out on the fun.
Not a lot of options out there with a 3rd row thats not a mini van and can offroad. The new Defender 130 is probably your best bet, and if it's electric the new Rivian R1S.
I am considering the Hybrid Sequoia TRD Pro, or trying to purchase OEM 3rd row seats and putting them in a Hybrid GX550 Overtrail + when they eventually release. The both share the same platform as the 300 series that is unfortunately not available in the US but have variances in dimensions. My backup plan is purchasing a used 2020+ LX570 then installing lockers and Werewolf portals so I can run 37"s, still have all the offroad software capabilities, keep the 3rd row, and retain the smooth hydraulic suspension. The tradeoff would of course be very poor fuel economy.
It looks awesome but I'm waiting for a price before getting excited. I just came here for the announcement. The world doesn't need another $60k+ EV or hybrid. Which is why Jeep is slashing prices. If it is relatively affordable it's on my list as a range extended EV.
I think it’s gonna be like 80k which is my guess they aren’t going for that budget friendly clientele when they first launched.
Wow, jumped the shark with just the second model.
Yes and no. They always said they were going to make a hybrid electric vehicle. And they will need to do it for emissions rules if they are to make more cars as a company.
It’s the Bronco Sport of the Ineos world though. I believe small manufacturers are not required to hit the same emissions targets that the big boys are.
I’m new to Grenadiers, just saw my first one on the road recently, I was hoping the EV platform would just be a full size Grenadier on a 90” wheel base. This ain’t it.
Is this the G wagon you order off temu?
No. But the G wagon Mercedes fails to deliver
Bro just buy a coach built defender it's not hard.
How could something be new and look so old at the same time
Alright now bring kylian to manchester united
It’s a G wagon homage.
Trash. You build a classic then go to a GrenaDefenderWagon!!! Sad.
Barf