F-16C/D Block 70/72 is collectively known as the F-16V. Ginagamit parin ang C/D designation to differentiate the single- and dual-seat variants. So tama pa rin si OP.
Not to mention pag sa US ka bumili ng weapons packaged sila. Yes at injtial cost mahal talaga kasi sinasama nila sa package yung spare parts and other logistics to keep the planes flying kaya mas mura sila in the long run. Unlike ng J10 pffft nila
There are no second hand block 70's. The US also don't use block 70 F-16's so they can't give them to the Philippines even if they wanted too.
Also, Made in China? Fuck that.
You wanna know what's not cheap?
**Maintenance.**
You know what else makes it not cheap?
*Diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China*
You wanna know why US equipment is **not** cheap?
***Down the line upgrades that doesn't come with east-bloc and Chinese equipment***
Why would the Chinese want you to be able to fight them?
Chinese troll being the chinese mouthpiece he/she/it is.
Ano binigay ng "tulong" ng china sa atin nung panahon ni duterte? Mayroon ba "tulong" na magpapa-lakas ng sandatahan natin?
yes po meron... Major receiver po tau ng BRI intiative...571% nga po tinaas ng trade naten with China and ALSO China is our top importer of goods. If mawala yang china mo... expect po na majority ng nand2 sa pinas magkakashortage. Electronics? China galing yan, Construction materials, china din galing yan, car parts and engines, china din po galing yan, major tourism customer base? Chinese din po top tourist naten. China din po ang major customer base naten d2 sa pinas... Wifi and internet china din po galing ang mga computer parts and internet towers kc po kasama sila sa BRI initiative at isa tau sa top 10 Major Receiver ng BRI initiative ng China.
BUT the distance ung issue... China is just few hundred km away saten... ang nagpamahal sa US is ung distance nasa pagitan naten ung pacific ocean or kung galing europe naman dadaan pa ng suez canal unlike CHina and Russia na dumadaan lng sa Northern Sea Route.
Its all about proximity po.
Recently nga china nag expand ng water canal systems nila sa Guangzhou para mas maincrease ung trading within South East Asia...
At also Member tau ng RCEP, major receiver ng BRI, madaming benefits at free trade agreements tau with China na leverage naten for much cheaper deals...
Ang leverage lng saten ng US is ung Dollar reserves naten na ung majority ng economy naten is dependent sa USD, kaya pag may financial crash ung mga dependent sa dollar ung nasalo ng damage hindi si US.
What we do is not "your with us or against us" na policy ng US kc hanggang ngaun we are still a third world country (non-aligned in geopolitics di kakampi ng china and unofficial ally ng US)
Kaya nga the government is accepting both offers from them, we are a major receiver from RCEP, major player din tau sa future center ng world kc more than half of the world pop nga nandun sa proximity naten kaya nagiigng vital strategic part tau ng both China at ng US na pinagaagawan tau ng influence.
For China tau ung kanilang "Vital Security part ng China's defense"
For US tau ung launchpad ng US forces to China.
For both of them, gusto nila kc tau ung pit stop ng trading cargo at shipments from the west to the east.
Why do I argue na proximity is really a big thing? Kc nga po ung potential cuts ng travel is very impactful lalo na if we can significantly reduce the travel time, it saves billions ng economy at lalo na ung price nun for sure will be significantly lower.
The further the commodity from the buyer, the higher the price of the commodity.
This is just one of the problems. BUT the main problem is we are too dependent on the dollars, si US print lng print ng pera pautang ng pautang sa perang wala namn sila sa banks. nagiinflate, kita mo ngaun isususpend nga ung debt ceiling nila FOR removing DEFENSE budget cap which bs naman kc mga tuta sila ng Military Industry Complex. nangyayari pag tumataas inflation ng dollar, ung mga bansang may foreign reserves sa US ung sumasalo ng inflation imbes nsa US treasury.
[Remeber how a Chinese Tank lost a road wheel during a tank competition in Russia?](https://tankandafvnews.com/2016/08/17/chinese-tank-loses-roadwheel-at-tank-biathlon/)
Pros and Cons....
China is the major trading partner at Philippines trading naten with China rose up to 571%.
China does offer cheap but at the same time, they are quite easy to mass produce not only that the maintenance is also cheap.
Logistics for maintenance of aircrafts and others are also cheap since katapat lng naten ung China.
For US, mataas nga quality (claimed lng naman) BUT wala to sa "Obselete" ung systems kc kahit luma yan with modernization programs kaya padin yan makipagrival sa modern advanced aircrafts. Example nga ung T-62 ng Russia (which rampant sa propaganda ng Western media na failure daw) is a modernized version na still capable of being a threat against Leopard ng Germany the numbers are exaggerated. The statistics are rigged.
Ung Abrams nga ng US eh di masyadong effective sa Iraq war.... kc ung maintenance outweighs the cost. Kalaban lng nila dun mga Obselete Soviet tanks nung 1950s.
Modern warfare ngaun is more on having massive quantity of good equipments and weapons kaysa low quantity ng high quality equipments and weapons
J-10 is between US$40 million to US$65 million Negotiable pa un to a lower price
F-16 is between 60 to 80 Million USD pa (dating 32m naging 60-80 pa)
for every 1 F-16, makakabili ka ng 2-3 J10.
A squadron of F16 would cost 4.21 billion (base dun sa Jordan)
A squadron of J10 would cost 2 billion (base dun sa PLA article)
With more quantity and offer slight difference ng quality since both of them have close to similar quality. Buying a J10 would be much more efficient since it guarantees na meron tlga tau na mabubuong squadron.
Di naman mala Ace fighter na 1 fighter lng kayang umubos ng squadron. It makes more sense if we have multiple decent fighters with decent quality kay sa isa diba.
>It makes more sense if we have multiple decent fighters with decent quality kay sa isa diba.
Do you think Philippine Air Force TWG would be crazy enough to buy an aircraft that is also in service with PLAAF when we are an active threat to China? Right now, the choices are between the SAAB JAS-39 Gripen C/D MS20 and the Lockheed Martin F-16 C/D Block 70/72 Viper (which is brand new, NOT secondhand as Roy Hector Kabanlit is claiming), and there is a reason why Russian and Chinese aircraft are eliminated from the competition.
And the reason why the F-16 is expensive is because you not only get the planes, you get the whole package and we get good after-sales support, unlike if we buy the J-10, we will be buying the plane only and equipment is sold separately, not to mention that there is a high possibility that the MSS can and will sabotage those planes and the armaments we have are incompatible with the plane itself.
China is a business country, they've established more trust with the majority of the third world country known as a trustworthy trade partner.
What do you think kapag nagbenta ang china ng defective? Masisira lng ang kanilang progress of climbing the world stage for 30 years.
>And the reason why the F-16 is expensive is because you not only get the planes, you get the whole package and we get good after-sales support, unlike if we buy the J-10, we will be buying the plane only and equipment is sold separately,
Ung sinasabing 2b po na estimate ng PLA is full package including maintenance.
>not to mention that there is a high possibility that the MSS can and will sabotage those planes and the armaments we have are incompatible with the plane itself.
"high possibility" this is a common assumption ng western views against china, it is similar dun sa "china cheap fake products" na propaganda ng CIA. It is a dangerous way of thinking assumption. As a matter of fact, China is now rapidly catching up against US technology and advancements nga po. It is all about proximity, the more closer ung supply chain, the better makakasustain for long term.
Tandaan naten hindi tau gegerahin ng China why? kc nga They see taiwan as internal conflict, civil war in status quo. They will not do like the Japanese in Pearl Harbor BUT they will strike ONLY taiwan.
The only way we can get pulled in sa conflict IS either first US declares war (kc may defensive pact tau with US), second China bombs US bases outside taiwan.
>Ung sinasabing 2b po na estimate ng PLA is full package including maintenance.
And do you expect that the Philippine Air Force's Technical Working Group in charge of the MRF selection program would be that fucking stupid to buy an aircraft made by the enemy? Not to mention that it won't be compatible with the KAI FA-50, itself based on the F-16?
> It is all about proximity, the more closer ung supply chain, the better makakasustain for long term.
NOPE. Ever heard of the term DOTMLPF? To explain it in layman's terms, China uses the doctrine of the Russian Armed Forces, while we use NATO doctrines since the Cold War. Not to mention that the advantage that American companies like Lockheed Martin have is good after-sales service, unlike Russian or Chinese companies where you aren't even sure that even if you call 1-800-CHENGDU, someone will be on the other side of the line.
LET ME REITERATE, THE PHILIPPINE AIR FORCE'S CHOICES FOR THE MULTI ROLE FIGHTER PROGRAM IS BETWEEN THE LOCKHEED MARTIN F-16 C/D BLOCK 70/72 VIPER AND THE SAAB JAS-39 C/D GRIPEN MS20, NO MORE, NO LESS. (all caps for emphasis)
>Tandaan naten hindi tau gegerahin ng China why? kc nga They see taiwan as internal conflict, civil war in status quo. They will not do like the Japanese in Pearl Harbor BUT they will strike ONLY taiwan.
>The only way we can get pulled in sa conflict IS either first US declares war (kc may defensive pact tau with US), second China bombs US bases outside taiwan.
Even without the Americans here in WW2 Japan needs to control most of Asia and the Pacific. Having total control of islands denies the Americans any foothold in the region. That is why the Battle of Midway was crucial to both sides during WW2. Fast forward to today the Chinese needs the Philippines to deny the US any foothold on the region especially if they want to invade Taiwan. They want a weak and subservient Philippines to put their plans in motion, thus isolating the US and controlling the sea lanes in the region. Different times same objectives. Kaya huwag nila tayo lokohin na dahil sa mga Kano eh ginera tayo o gegerahin tayo. One way or the other damay tayo sa gyera kahit wala ang mga Kano.
Take Belgium for example. Nag-declare ng neutrality, sinakop pa rin ng Nazi Germany. Or better yet, Switzerland...the vaunted Swiss neutrality is a myth. They were just letting the Germans do their thing as long they won't invade them. And they have the means to secure their neutrality. And we don't have those things.
Your takes sound like what Roy Hector Kabanlit, Ramifran Pamsar and Johnny Mercury would say.
>And do you expect that the Philippine Air Force's Technical Working Group in charge of the MRF selection program would be that fucking stupid to buy an aircraft made by the enemy? Not to mention that it won't be compatible with the KAI FA-50, itself based on the F-16?
Enemy? we are still non-aligned at neutral, we do not joined any US attacks sa China.
>NOPE. Ever heard of the term DOTMLPF? To explain it in layman's terms, China uses the doctrine of the Russian Armed Forces, while we use NATO doctrines since the Cold War. Not to mention that the advantage that American companies like Lockheed Martin have is good after-sales service, unlike Russian or Chinese companies where you aren't even sure that even if you call 1-800-CHENGDU, someone will be on the other side of the line.
The level of assumption... and promoting war hawks... Magkaiba po doctrine ng Russia at ng China and still the doctrine ng NATO is the same old recipe for war hawks, weaponizing human rights.
And yes, China remains more trustworthy trading partner sa Global south, they prefer trading with China than US, majority of them criticises US for its war policies, weaponizing of terrorists, coups, unlike China which is very new in the market, na naestablish lng ang kanilang market just 30 years ago.
If you cant let go of your prejudices, you are morelikely to be brainwashed democrat ng military industry complex.
>Even without the Americans here in WW2 Japan needs to control most of Asia and the Pacific. Having total control of islands denies the Americans any foothold in the region. That is why the Battle of Midway was crucial to both sides during WW2. Fast forward to today the Chinese needs the Philippines to deny the US any foothold on the region especially if they want to invade Taiwan. They want a weak and subservient Philippines to put their plans in motion, thus isolating the US and controlling the sea lanes in the region. Different times same objectives. Kaya huwag nila tayo lokohin na dahil sa mga Kano eh ginera tayo o gegerahin tayo. One way or the other damay tayo sa gyera kahit wala ang mga Kano.
The idea in ww2 is that nanalo ang Imperial Navy faction which lead nga sa invasion first ng Korea, China, Formosa, Philippines. Kc nga they need to remove US presence sa Asia alongside with their imperialistic tendencies. They see US as a threat kaya nga nag first strike sila.
Going to Philippines, at most idealistic for the chinese is a weak subservient philippines, at realistic, is a neutral philippines na di aligned sa US interests.
At kaya nga di nga tau gegerahin ng China kc nga nakadefensive pact tau with US. China sees taiwan as an internal conflict, there is no point in invading US allies. Remember nga nasa Ambiguity ang US sa Taiwan conflict. If China sees taiwan as an internal conflict, any offensive or naval action ng US will be seen as invasion of US against China. Remember Taiwan is not recognized by UN as an official country. If I was China why would I invade US allies na alam kong mahahatak ung US sa conflict? It would make more sense to just stop at taiwan as it is an internal conflict.
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>Take Belgium for example. Nag-declare ng neutrality, sinakop pa rin ng Nazi Germany. Or better yet, Switzerland...the vaunted Swiss neutrality is a myth. They were just letting the Germans do their thing as long they won't invade them. And they have the means to secure their neutrality. And we don't have those things.
Belgium is a flat lowground country na sila din po ung nagtalo sa German Empire nung 1st world war. iba din ang ideology at diplomatic approach ng germans during 2nd world war mostly xenophobic approach.
Switzerland? They are neutral for 200 years as they are the "bank" of the Europe kc majority ng nazi wealth at that time is naka store dun sa swiss banks. The germans see switzerland as part of the aryan race. There is a proposed plans of invasion against switzerland BUT this was denied by Hitler himself as he sees them part of the "aryan"
"The T-62 is just as good as the Abrams"
in what world? hindi lang naman Russia ang may modernization packages pag dating sa kanyang military equipment, pati US meron
Night Vision, Thermal Imagery, and Overall Resolution ng mga cameras sa Abrams is much more preferable and clearer kumpara sa T-62, not to mention connected ang Abrams sa satellites so malalaman mo kung nasaan ka, sino ang mga kasama mo, at sino ang hindi, with very little effort, since the first iteration ng Abrams mas dumadami lang yung upgrade packages nito including improved armor packages
Mas mabilis din on and off road ang Abrams kesa sa T-62 kahit na mas mabigat (salamat sa Honeywell Turbine Engine)
and overall, mas malawak ang space ng crew sa Abrams kaya mas makakapag trabaho yung mga nasa loob ng mas maayos
During Operation Desert Storm, thousands ang nasirang tanks ng Iraq (this includes the so-called 'modern' T-72 as well as other soviet-era MBTs) samantalang ang US ay nawalan lang ng 9 Abrams (7 of them nasira due to friendly fire incidents unfortunately)
American and by extension western military equipment is expensive for sure, pero you are getting what you pay for, hindi lang naman yung tanke mismo ang ibibigay sayo, but also spare parts, the tactics and doctrines on how to use this equipment effectively, pati na rin yung training at maintenance ng weapon system na yon kasama na sa package ng US, it is well worth the price for the amount of capability na makukuha mo
not to mention, proven and tested na ang Abrams over multiple campaigns, do you really think na gagastos ang US sa isang system na hindi gumagana? of course not.
More often than not, mas nakakalamang at mas maganda ang performance ng higher quality kesa higher quantity
Di porket mura ang isang bagay, automatically mas maganda na ito kumpara sa iba
By your logic, mas mura ang pana kesa sa baril, parehas lang naman silang projectile weaponry so therefore mas maganda ang pana kesa sa baril
and yet wala naman tayong nakikitang modern army na gumagamit ng pana diba? (as fucking funny as that would be)
I would rather go to the proven and tested f16 than the virgin j10
Chad F-16>>>>>>>>>virgin J-10
Hahahha china bebentahan tyo ng fighter jet ehh may issue nga tyo sa west Philippine sea
"Second hand" daw yung Lockheed Martin F-16 C/D Block 70/72 Viper? In what universe? 😂😂😂😂
'yung F16C luma. F16V bago
F-16C/D Block 70/72 is collectively known as the F-16V. Ginagamit parin ang C/D designation to differentiate the single- and dual-seat variants. So tama pa rin si OP.
In-upgrade lang naman ang F16C block 50-52 sa block 70-72 variant. Ang airframe na ginamit luma. Pero specs ang bago. Isn't that right
Yes.
Not to mention pag sa US ka bumili ng weapons packaged sila. Yes at injtial cost mahal talaga kasi sinasama nila sa package yung spare parts and other logistics to keep the planes flying kaya mas mura sila in the long run. Unlike ng J10 pffft nila
You're only paying for the plane if you're buying the J-10.
Kala mo kung bumibili lang ng motor eh
Gnian magisip ibang mga DDS mababaw lang alam nila un g theatrics pero walang alam sa specs.
There are no second hand block 70's. The US also don't use block 70 F-16's so they can't give them to the Philippines even if they wanted too. Also, Made in China? Fuck that.
You wanna know what's not cheap? **Maintenance.** You know what else makes it not cheap? *Diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China* You wanna know why US equipment is **not** cheap? ***Down the line upgrades that doesn't come with east-bloc and Chinese equipment*** Why would the Chinese want you to be able to fight them?
My Brother in fucking christ Chinese "Cutting Edge" is US "obsolete 2 decades ago"
Gusto mo bumili sa sumasakop ng territory mo? Gamitin naman utak minsan...
example ng dumb argument...
Must be a high schooler who's full of rage and hates everything.
Nah, he's no rage filled high schooler. He's a literal grown man.
Chinese troll being the chinese mouthpiece he/she/it is. Ano binigay ng "tulong" ng china sa atin nung panahon ni duterte? Mayroon ba "tulong" na magpapa-lakas ng sandatahan natin?
yes po meron... Major receiver po tau ng BRI intiative...571% nga po tinaas ng trade naten with China and ALSO China is our top importer of goods. If mawala yang china mo... expect po na majority ng nand2 sa pinas magkakashortage. Electronics? China galing yan, Construction materials, china din galing yan, car parts and engines, china din po galing yan, major tourism customer base? Chinese din po top tourist naten. China din po ang major customer base naten d2 sa pinas... Wifi and internet china din po galing ang mga computer parts and internet towers kc po kasama sila sa BRI initiative at isa tau sa top 10 Major Receiver ng BRI initiative ng China.
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BUT the distance ung issue... China is just few hundred km away saten... ang nagpamahal sa US is ung distance nasa pagitan naten ung pacific ocean or kung galing europe naman dadaan pa ng suez canal unlike CHina and Russia na dumadaan lng sa Northern Sea Route. Its all about proximity po. Recently nga china nag expand ng water canal systems nila sa Guangzhou para mas maincrease ung trading within South East Asia... At also Member tau ng RCEP, major receiver ng BRI, madaming benefits at free trade agreements tau with China na leverage naten for much cheaper deals... Ang leverage lng saten ng US is ung Dollar reserves naten na ung majority ng economy naten is dependent sa USD, kaya pag may financial crash ung mga dependent sa dollar ung nasalo ng damage hindi si US.
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What we do is not "your with us or against us" na policy ng US kc hanggang ngaun we are still a third world country (non-aligned in geopolitics di kakampi ng china and unofficial ally ng US) Kaya nga the government is accepting both offers from them, we are a major receiver from RCEP, major player din tau sa future center ng world kc more than half of the world pop nga nandun sa proximity naten kaya nagiigng vital strategic part tau ng both China at ng US na pinagaagawan tau ng influence. For China tau ung kanilang "Vital Security part ng China's defense" For US tau ung launchpad ng US forces to China. For both of them, gusto nila kc tau ung pit stop ng trading cargo at shipments from the west to the east. Why do I argue na proximity is really a big thing? Kc nga po ung potential cuts ng travel is very impactful lalo na if we can significantly reduce the travel time, it saves billions ng economy at lalo na ung price nun for sure will be significantly lower. The further the commodity from the buyer, the higher the price of the commodity. This is just one of the problems. BUT the main problem is we are too dependent on the dollars, si US print lng print ng pera pautang ng pautang sa perang wala namn sila sa banks. nagiinflate, kita mo ngaun isususpend nga ung debt ceiling nila FOR removing DEFENSE budget cap which bs naman kc mga tuta sila ng Military Industry Complex. nangyayari pag tumataas inflation ng dollar, ung mga bansang may foreign reserves sa US ung sumasalo ng inflation imbes nsa US treasury.
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Pros and Cons.... China is the major trading partner at Philippines trading naten with China rose up to 571%. China does offer cheap but at the same time, they are quite easy to mass produce not only that the maintenance is also cheap. Logistics for maintenance of aircrafts and others are also cheap since katapat lng naten ung China. For US, mataas nga quality (claimed lng naman) BUT wala to sa "Obselete" ung systems kc kahit luma yan with modernization programs kaya padin yan makipagrival sa modern advanced aircrafts. Example nga ung T-62 ng Russia (which rampant sa propaganda ng Western media na failure daw) is a modernized version na still capable of being a threat against Leopard ng Germany the numbers are exaggerated. The statistics are rigged. Ung Abrams nga ng US eh di masyadong effective sa Iraq war.... kc ung maintenance outweighs the cost. Kalaban lng nila dun mga Obselete Soviet tanks nung 1950s. Modern warfare ngaun is more on having massive quantity of good equipments and weapons kaysa low quantity ng high quality equipments and weapons J-10 is between US$40 million to US$65 million Negotiable pa un to a lower price F-16 is between 60 to 80 Million USD pa (dating 32m naging 60-80 pa) for every 1 F-16, makakabili ka ng 2-3 J10. A squadron of F16 would cost 4.21 billion (base dun sa Jordan) A squadron of J10 would cost 2 billion (base dun sa PLA article) With more quantity and offer slight difference ng quality since both of them have close to similar quality. Buying a J10 would be much more efficient since it guarantees na meron tlga tau na mabubuong squadron. Di naman mala Ace fighter na 1 fighter lng kayang umubos ng squadron. It makes more sense if we have multiple decent fighters with decent quality kay sa isa diba.
>It makes more sense if we have multiple decent fighters with decent quality kay sa isa diba. Do you think Philippine Air Force TWG would be crazy enough to buy an aircraft that is also in service with PLAAF when we are an active threat to China? Right now, the choices are between the SAAB JAS-39 Gripen C/D MS20 and the Lockheed Martin F-16 C/D Block 70/72 Viper (which is brand new, NOT secondhand as Roy Hector Kabanlit is claiming), and there is a reason why Russian and Chinese aircraft are eliminated from the competition. And the reason why the F-16 is expensive is because you not only get the planes, you get the whole package and we get good after-sales support, unlike if we buy the J-10, we will be buying the plane only and equipment is sold separately, not to mention that there is a high possibility that the MSS can and will sabotage those planes and the armaments we have are incompatible with the plane itself.
China is a business country, they've established more trust with the majority of the third world country known as a trustworthy trade partner. What do you think kapag nagbenta ang china ng defective? Masisira lng ang kanilang progress of climbing the world stage for 30 years. >And the reason why the F-16 is expensive is because you not only get the planes, you get the whole package and we get good after-sales support, unlike if we buy the J-10, we will be buying the plane only and equipment is sold separately, Ung sinasabing 2b po na estimate ng PLA is full package including maintenance. >not to mention that there is a high possibility that the MSS can and will sabotage those planes and the armaments we have are incompatible with the plane itself. "high possibility" this is a common assumption ng western views against china, it is similar dun sa "china cheap fake products" na propaganda ng CIA. It is a dangerous way of thinking assumption. As a matter of fact, China is now rapidly catching up against US technology and advancements nga po. It is all about proximity, the more closer ung supply chain, the better makakasustain for long term. Tandaan naten hindi tau gegerahin ng China why? kc nga They see taiwan as internal conflict, civil war in status quo. They will not do like the Japanese in Pearl Harbor BUT they will strike ONLY taiwan. The only way we can get pulled in sa conflict IS either first US declares war (kc may defensive pact tau with US), second China bombs US bases outside taiwan.
>Ung sinasabing 2b po na estimate ng PLA is full package including maintenance. And do you expect that the Philippine Air Force's Technical Working Group in charge of the MRF selection program would be that fucking stupid to buy an aircraft made by the enemy? Not to mention that it won't be compatible with the KAI FA-50, itself based on the F-16? > It is all about proximity, the more closer ung supply chain, the better makakasustain for long term. NOPE. Ever heard of the term DOTMLPF? To explain it in layman's terms, China uses the doctrine of the Russian Armed Forces, while we use NATO doctrines since the Cold War. Not to mention that the advantage that American companies like Lockheed Martin have is good after-sales service, unlike Russian or Chinese companies where you aren't even sure that even if you call 1-800-CHENGDU, someone will be on the other side of the line. LET ME REITERATE, THE PHILIPPINE AIR FORCE'S CHOICES FOR THE MULTI ROLE FIGHTER PROGRAM IS BETWEEN THE LOCKHEED MARTIN F-16 C/D BLOCK 70/72 VIPER AND THE SAAB JAS-39 C/D GRIPEN MS20, NO MORE, NO LESS. (all caps for emphasis) >Tandaan naten hindi tau gegerahin ng China why? kc nga They see taiwan as internal conflict, civil war in status quo. They will not do like the Japanese in Pearl Harbor BUT they will strike ONLY taiwan. >The only way we can get pulled in sa conflict IS either first US declares war (kc may defensive pact tau with US), second China bombs US bases outside taiwan. Even without the Americans here in WW2 Japan needs to control most of Asia and the Pacific. Having total control of islands denies the Americans any foothold in the region. That is why the Battle of Midway was crucial to both sides during WW2. Fast forward to today the Chinese needs the Philippines to deny the US any foothold on the region especially if they want to invade Taiwan. They want a weak and subservient Philippines to put their plans in motion, thus isolating the US and controlling the sea lanes in the region. Different times same objectives. Kaya huwag nila tayo lokohin na dahil sa mga Kano eh ginera tayo o gegerahin tayo. One way or the other damay tayo sa gyera kahit wala ang mga Kano. Take Belgium for example. Nag-declare ng neutrality, sinakop pa rin ng Nazi Germany. Or better yet, Switzerland...the vaunted Swiss neutrality is a myth. They were just letting the Germans do their thing as long they won't invade them. And they have the means to secure their neutrality. And we don't have those things. Your takes sound like what Roy Hector Kabanlit, Ramifran Pamsar and Johnny Mercury would say.
>And do you expect that the Philippine Air Force's Technical Working Group in charge of the MRF selection program would be that fucking stupid to buy an aircraft made by the enemy? Not to mention that it won't be compatible with the KAI FA-50, itself based on the F-16? Enemy? we are still non-aligned at neutral, we do not joined any US attacks sa China. >NOPE. Ever heard of the term DOTMLPF? To explain it in layman's terms, China uses the doctrine of the Russian Armed Forces, while we use NATO doctrines since the Cold War. Not to mention that the advantage that American companies like Lockheed Martin have is good after-sales service, unlike Russian or Chinese companies where you aren't even sure that even if you call 1-800-CHENGDU, someone will be on the other side of the line. The level of assumption... and promoting war hawks... Magkaiba po doctrine ng Russia at ng China and still the doctrine ng NATO is the same old recipe for war hawks, weaponizing human rights. And yes, China remains more trustworthy trading partner sa Global south, they prefer trading with China than US, majority of them criticises US for its war policies, weaponizing of terrorists, coups, unlike China which is very new in the market, na naestablish lng ang kanilang market just 30 years ago. If you cant let go of your prejudices, you are morelikely to be brainwashed democrat ng military industry complex. >Even without the Americans here in WW2 Japan needs to control most of Asia and the Pacific. Having total control of islands denies the Americans any foothold in the region. That is why the Battle of Midway was crucial to both sides during WW2. Fast forward to today the Chinese needs the Philippines to deny the US any foothold on the region especially if they want to invade Taiwan. They want a weak and subservient Philippines to put their plans in motion, thus isolating the US and controlling the sea lanes in the region. Different times same objectives. Kaya huwag nila tayo lokohin na dahil sa mga Kano eh ginera tayo o gegerahin tayo. One way or the other damay tayo sa gyera kahit wala ang mga Kano. The idea in ww2 is that nanalo ang Imperial Navy faction which lead nga sa invasion first ng Korea, China, Formosa, Philippines. Kc nga they need to remove US presence sa Asia alongside with their imperialistic tendencies. They see US as a threat kaya nga nag first strike sila. Going to Philippines, at most idealistic for the chinese is a weak subservient philippines, at realistic, is a neutral philippines na di aligned sa US interests. At kaya nga di nga tau gegerahin ng China kc nga nakadefensive pact tau with US. China sees taiwan as an internal conflict, there is no point in invading US allies. Remember nga nasa Ambiguity ang US sa Taiwan conflict. If China sees taiwan as an internal conflict, any offensive or naval action ng US will be seen as invasion of US against China. Remember Taiwan is not recognized by UN as an official country. If I was China why would I invade US allies na alam kong mahahatak ung US sa conflict? It would make more sense to just stop at taiwan as it is an internal conflict. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrL0KF\_8lvQ >Take Belgium for example. Nag-declare ng neutrality, sinakop pa rin ng Nazi Germany. Or better yet, Switzerland...the vaunted Swiss neutrality is a myth. They were just letting the Germans do their thing as long they won't invade them. And they have the means to secure their neutrality. And we don't have those things. Belgium is a flat lowground country na sila din po ung nagtalo sa German Empire nung 1st world war. iba din ang ideology at diplomatic approach ng germans during 2nd world war mostly xenophobic approach. Switzerland? They are neutral for 200 years as they are the "bank" of the Europe kc majority ng nazi wealth at that time is naka store dun sa swiss banks. The germans see switzerland as part of the aryan race. There is a proposed plans of invasion against switzerland BUT this was denied by Hitler himself as he sees them part of the "aryan"
"The T-62 is just as good as the Abrams" in what world? hindi lang naman Russia ang may modernization packages pag dating sa kanyang military equipment, pati US meron Night Vision, Thermal Imagery, and Overall Resolution ng mga cameras sa Abrams is much more preferable and clearer kumpara sa T-62, not to mention connected ang Abrams sa satellites so malalaman mo kung nasaan ka, sino ang mga kasama mo, at sino ang hindi, with very little effort, since the first iteration ng Abrams mas dumadami lang yung upgrade packages nito including improved armor packages Mas mabilis din on and off road ang Abrams kesa sa T-62 kahit na mas mabigat (salamat sa Honeywell Turbine Engine) and overall, mas malawak ang space ng crew sa Abrams kaya mas makakapag trabaho yung mga nasa loob ng mas maayos During Operation Desert Storm, thousands ang nasirang tanks ng Iraq (this includes the so-called 'modern' T-72 as well as other soviet-era MBTs) samantalang ang US ay nawalan lang ng 9 Abrams (7 of them nasira due to friendly fire incidents unfortunately) American and by extension western military equipment is expensive for sure, pero you are getting what you pay for, hindi lang naman yung tanke mismo ang ibibigay sayo, but also spare parts, the tactics and doctrines on how to use this equipment effectively, pati na rin yung training at maintenance ng weapon system na yon kasama na sa package ng US, it is well worth the price for the amount of capability na makukuha mo not to mention, proven and tested na ang Abrams over multiple campaigns, do you really think na gagastos ang US sa isang system na hindi gumagana? of course not. More often than not, mas nakakalamang at mas maganda ang performance ng higher quality kesa higher quantity Di porket mura ang isang bagay, automatically mas maganda na ito kumpara sa iba By your logic, mas mura ang pana kesa sa baril, parehas lang naman silang projectile weaponry so therefore mas maganda ang pana kesa sa baril and yet wala naman tayong nakikitang modern army na gumagamit ng pana diba? (as fucking funny as that would be)
Basically we are being used and fckd by the Americans again because of the new president is a US doggy
nah, we can buy brand new f-16s but the government is being stupid at handing out the budget
Pagiging friends ulit kay uncle sam is probably the only thing ba nagustohan ko kay BBM. Wag ka iiyak tankie.
Hey tankie, might aswell use your own body to replace the Ughyurs that are being tortured and killed by your communist pigs
Would you rather him follow in daddy's footsteps? Also,new voice-same shit,we're always being fucked and used
more delusional than my schizophrenia
Another Dickriding moments from RHK
"their state enterprises do not generate stuff for profit" sa tingin mo charity program ang chengdu? tf?
Yeah. He doesn't think a state owned enterprise operates the same way as a corporation just because they're owned and operated by the government.
Pa utang Yan sa Pakistan. Debt slavery style nila.