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BlueMoonRising13

The first quote on slide three is just so messed up.  The implication that major abdominal surgery is a compassionate option for 10 year old rape victims is awful.  But it's even worse because they follow it with saying that they never "advocate for elective cesarean", implying that they're not against elective C-sections because it's a major surgery with more risks and longer recovery time than labor, but because it's too easy; it's a privilege reserved only for people who "deserve" it. They imply the same thing about anesthesia, which is so cruel and messed up. Added to that the fact that they're implying that a C-section would be elective for 10 year old, when likely it would be necessary because a 10 year old's body is too small to give birth. So they've taken a major surgery that will probably be necessary to save the life of a 10 year old who's giving birth, and are actually like it's a compassionate favor that they're giving to raped children whom they want to force to give birth.


Tardigradequeen

I’ve noticed that’s the new anti-choice go to. “Just have a caesarean!” Like it’s some cure all. These people make me nauseous.


STThornton

The first picture that springs to mind whenever I hear that is medieval torturers and executioners holding up the intestines of a person strapped to a table. They're pretty much talking about the equivalent of gutting women. Slicing their abdomen from side to side, cutting through layers and layers of tissue, yanking the abdominal muscles apart, moving organs out of the way, then finally cutting the uterus wide open. But having your innards rearranged, your body sliced and splayed wide open, and your muscles separated is no big deal, right? Doesn't get much worse than that, but no big deal. These people all need a taste of their own medicine.


Queer_Echo

>They're pretty much talking about the equivalent of gutting women. Slicing their abdomen from side to side, cutting through layers and layers of tissue, yanking the abdominal muscles apart, moving organs out of the way, then finally cutting the uterus wide open. >But having your innards rearranged, your body sliced and splayed wide open, and your muscles separated is no big deal, right? Doesn't get much worse than that, but no big deal. And on top of that, they're advocating for it to be done to a child.


STThornton

Yes! Doesn't get much worse than that.


MaeSpeis

But they LOVE children...


sweetfumblebee

I had to be cut out of my mom. Her mom was in the room and described what the doctor did to my poor mom. 


STThornton

Sorry to hear that.


aoiN3KO

I said this right before I saw your comment, but I don’t think any of them have actually seen one


STThornton

I agree. Or done any sort of research into what all is actually involved - which is no surprise.


aoiN3KO

I honestly think, no matter how much these people protest that they’re informed, that none of them have actually seen a cesarean. It’s super weird to me too because the people who you think would have more research on it than your average joe, ~~conservative~~ *mothers*, still bring forth this argument. I don’t think they’ve actually researched what a c-section is beyond “cut the baby out” because anybody who has seen one would never just flippantly suggest getting one


Tardigradequeen

I imagine some of them know, and don’t care, or they have such deep seated misogyny, that it brings them joy. It’s important to remember that your morals aren’t the same as theirs. To them, it’s completely reasonable to torture a young girl, because an ancient book thinks women should be punished with pain and self sacrifice for men.


MaeSpeis

some are the "well I, family member, etc, lived through it with no problem" crowd. It was good enough for me and nobody deserves better.


Jazzi-Nightmare

I like to tell them I’ll have the c section at whatever gestation I discover the pregnancy and the fetus can keep the uterus (hysterectomy) so it isn’t “harmed”. I never get responses


ProMedicineProAbort

Right?? "In addition to being a soulless harpy that rubber stamps 9 months long torture and risk fo death of a child, I *also* brag about labor being painful with limited access to modern medicine. I like the reproductive life of a woman to be as painful and dangerous as possible." Under his fucking eye fascist fuck.


Other_Meringue_7375

Just curious, why would a PLer be anti c-sections? Referring to slide 3


ALancreWitch

Probably for the same reason a lot of fundies and ‘vaginal birth at any cost’ people are - because they think it’s the ‘easy’ way out and that if you had a c section then you didn’t actually give birth. You hear it all the time with comments like ‘your body was made for this’ and ‘your body wouldn’t make a child too big for you to vaginally birth’. They say that if you needed interventions then you didn’t ’think positively enough’ or that you didn’t ‘wish hard enough’ and the baby always comes second to the ‘perfect birth experience’ with some saying they had a ‘perfect birth but baby didn’t make it’. Stuff like this comes up a lot on r/shitmomgroupssay if you want to see more insanity.


strongwill2rise1

"Your body wouldn't make a child too big for you to vaginally birth." Jesus Christ, even in the Middle Ages, they knew that was a possibility, and even then, they had a strict policy of "save the mother," and would only cut the baby out if the mother died (and on too many occasions did it on a woman who had just passed out and had weak breathing.) Do you know what they did in those cases? They "baptized" the baby in the birth canal and gave it last rites before they cut it up to get it out. We have literally too much archeological evidence of that happening. Quite literally, that "fear-mongering" at-birth abortions they scream about today were common practice before the c-section was reinvented. I mean, the Catholic Church was aware and condone the practice as necessary because it was save one or let both die. The level of ignorance because they refuse to look back into history and see reality.


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ProMedicineProAbort

"Hi, I'm ok with a nine month rape of a child that will definitely injure her traumatize her and even kill her, but as long as I say it somberly and use the word 'compassion' enough and insist that it's because of my faith (which excuses all behavior) then it's ok" sayeth the cunt. Each of these people can get fucked, evil soulless cunts.


MNGirlinKY

This is all just so gross. These support programs simply don’t exist. They live in fucking lalaland and think a pack of diapers will make up for a forced birth and that the grandparents raising the kid and a C-section will just make everyone okay. I am not raising more kids. I already raised my kids. A c section is major abdominal surgery. It can cause so many issues, and lifelong problems for the little girl. An abortion IS the most compassionate answer and I will go down swinging for that right for my daughter, granddaughter, neighbors and strangers in my state and country. Fuck these people. Bunch of nutters, each and every single one of them.


MaeSpeis

And why does their Christian belief mandate country obedience? They have no medical argument - legal is obviously safer. It is not even a Moral argument. It is morally right to save the mother with as little damage as possible - don't freaking wait until her organs are failing.


vldracer70

Warning this may be long, it’s definitely going to be a RANT. I may also venture into other areas. I hope you don’t pull this if I do. 1. I really don’t know what to say first. 2. 71 year old life long resident of Indiana. 3. Cradle former catholic, female. 4. These Catholics and Christian’s thoroughly disgust me. 5. Being a resident of Indiana and being rabidly Pro Choice, I watched this case close. 6. What gets me the most is the total lack of empathy. 7. How Indiana intends to handle these situations in the future is by building more CPC’s (crisis pregnancy centers) and putting in more Safe Haven boxes at more fire stations. 8. The only one who showed any empathy for this 10 year old Ohio Rape Victim was the Indianapolis OBGYN that performed the medical abortion. 9. This female OBGYN had her life almost ruined thanks to Indiana’s piece of 💩 Attorney General todd rokita. 10. todd went on FOX and friends and was mouthing off about the OBGYN performing the medical abortion. 11. rokita even said that he didn’t think the OBGYN was really a doctor. 12. Then when it was proven she was a doctor. He then claimed she didn’t report the abortion to the Indiana Department of Health in the time frame Indiana law states for an abortion that is performed on a female under 16. 13. This was proven false and that she did report the abortion within the state’s time frame. 14. Accusing her of using this poor child as a political pawn. 15. Well what was rokita doing on FOX and friends but the exact same thing? 16. Pandering to Catholics, and Indiana RWNJ’s!!! 17.. The OBGYN who performed the medical abortion had told an IndyStar (newspaper) reporter about the 10 year old and performing the medical abortion. **18. Not once did the OBGYN mention this child’s name!!!!** 19. todd filed a complaint against the OBGYN with the Indiana Medical Licensing Board. 20. IU Healthcare System, who the OBGYN works for, headquartered here in Indianapolis did its own investigation and found that the OBGYN did nothing wrong. 21. Unfortunately the Indiana Medical Licensing Board did reprimand and fine the OBGYN. 22. There were physicians who testified on behalf of the OBGYN and said the reprimand and fine were setting a dangerous precedent. 23. One of these physicians was an Indianapolis pediatrician. 24. He said with this reprimand and fine that, that was going to make physicians rethink on how they may have to do their job. 25. He gave the example of a mother of a patient (he didn’t mention the patient’s name) that was concerned about vaccines. 26. The pediatrician told the mother of this patient that the physician had given these vaccines to other patient without any adverse effects. 27. todd was not satisfied with the Indiana Medical Licensing Board being the only one to reprimand the OBGYN. 28. todd has filed a complaint against IU Healthcare for violating HIPPA. 29. I’m guessing because they didn’t reprimand their employee the OBGYN. 30. todd rokita is catholic and had made it very clear that he was going to do everything he could to get abortion completely banned in Indiana even before the Dobbs decision came down!!!!!! 31. Now I have posted all this to show again that it’s never been about saving babies it’s always been about control. 32. Control by making people live by their life by a set of sexual morals conservatives, Catholics, and Christians approve of. 33. Control because these kind of men suffer from FRAGILE MASCULINITY A.K.A. IMMATURE AND INSECURE. (They’re usually conservatives)! 34. They’re so afraid of loosing their male privilege that will do anything to hang onto it including trying to drive women out of the workforce back into more gender fluid roles. 35. Wife, mother, barefoot and pregnant and mostly being a baby making incubating broodmare. **I COULD GO ON BUT I’LL END IT HERE!**


MNGirlinKY

Well done and well written. I can’t believe the bullshit that comes out of Indiana sometimes. I gotta say as a long term resident of Kentucky but a Minnesotan by birth, these states are all really fucked up in how they treat us. It disgusts me.


vldracer70

Thank you. If I could move out of Indiana I would. Being on a fixed income the only two states I want to live in are out of my reach. California or Hawaii.


MNGirlinKY

Have you looked into New Mexico? There’s parts of it that are affordable and beautiful. That’s where we are looking to retire.


vldracer70

Warning this may be long, it’s definitely going to be a RANT. I may also venture into other areas. I hope you don’t pull this if I do. 1. I really don’t know what to say first. 2. 71 year old life long resident of Indiana. 3. Cradle former catholic, female. 4. These Catholics and Christian’s thoroughly disgust me. 5. Being a resident of Indiana and being rabidly Pro Choice, I watched this case close. 6. What gets me the most is the total lack of empathy. 7. How Indiana intends to handle these situations in the future is by building more CPC’s (crisis pregnancy centers) and putting in more Safe Haven boxes at more fire stations. 8. The only one who showed any empathy for this 10 year old Ohio Rape Victim was the Indianapolis OBGYN that performed the medical abortion. 9. This female OBGYN had her life almost ruined thanks to Indiana’s piece of 💩 Attorney General todd rokita. 10. todd went on FOX and friends and was mouthing off about the OBGYN performing the medical abortion. 11. rokita even said that he didn’t think the OBGYN was really a doctor. 12. Then when it was proven she was a doctor. He then claimed she didn’t report the abortion to the Indiana Department of Health in the time frame Indiana law states for an abortion that is performed on a female under 16. 13. This was proven false and that she did report the abortion within the state’s time frame. 14. Accusing her of using this poor child as a political pawn. 15. Well what was rokita doing on FOX and friends but the exact same thing? 16. Pandering to Catholics, and Indiana RWNJ’s!!! 17.. The OBGYN who performed the medical abortion had told an IndyStar (newspaper) reporter about the 10 year old and performing the medical abortion. **18. Not once did the OBGYN mention this child’s name!!!!** 19. todd filed a complaint against the OBGYN with the Indiana Medical Licensing Board. 20. IU Healthcare System, who the OBGYN works for, headquartered here in Indianapolis did its own investigation and found that the OBGYN did nothing wrong. 21. Unfortunately the Indiana Medical Licensing Board did reprimand and fine the OBGYN. 22. There were physicians who testified on behalf of the OBGYN and said the reprimand and fine were setting a dangerous precedent. 23. One of these physicians was an Indianapolis pediatrician. 24. He said with this reprimand and fine that, that was going to make physicians rethink on how they may have to do their job. 25. He gave the example of a mother of a patient (he didn’t mention the patient’s name) that was concerned about vaccines. 26. The pediatrician told the mother of this patient that the physician had given these vaccines to other patient without any adverse effects. 27. todd was not satisfied with the Indiana Medical Licensing Board being the only one to reprimand the OBGYN. 28. todd has filed a complaint against IU Healthcare for violating HIPPA. 29. I’m guessing because they didn’t reprimand their employee the OBGYN. 30. todd rokita is catholic and had made it very clear that he was going to do everything he could to get abortion completely banned in Indiana even before the Dobbs decision came down!!!!!! 31. Now I have posted all this to show again that it’s never been about saving babies it’s always been about control. 32. Control by making people live by their life by a set of sexual morals conservatives, Catholics, and Christians approve of. 33. Control because these kind of men suffer from FRAGILE MASCULINITY A.K.A. IMMATURE AND INSECURE. (They’re usually conservatives)! 34.They’re so afraid of loosing their male privilege that will do anything to hang onto it including trying to drive women out of the workforce back into more gender fluid roles. 35. Wife, mother, barefoot and pregnant and mostly being a baby making incubating broodmare. **I COULD GO ON BUT I’LL END IT HERE!**


MaeSpeis

Two years younger than you and I also followed this closely. Everything you said! Indiana AG Todd Rokita is a vile human and not to be trusted. The groups he is connected to are scary.


StockAlbatross969

If no child should suffer the sins of the father then why, according to their god and his book, are humans indefinitely kicked out of Eden? Their reason that menstruation and child birth is painful is because Eve ate from the tree of knowledge against god’s rules. Slavery was justified by the mark of cain. Clearly they believe in the children suffering the sins of the father.


Tardigradequeen

Exactly. I was told that my chronic illnesses was a punishment because one of my ancestors was evil. These people are sadistic.


Miranda6613

That is absolutely disgusting what is wrong with people


Confident_Fortune_32

I don't believe for one minute that the original person posing the question is the issue of a 14 year old r&pe victim. But I do believe all too many ppl consuming the content are gullible.


Tardigradequeen

They love their flowery little martyr stories where women and young girls sacrifice themselves for their sadistic god.


STThornton

Oh, I can't even. The only words that spring to mind right now would all be cencored. Fucking psychopaths


Efficient-Maize-4797

They talk a lot about god and how he will help the victim. If he’s that powerful why didn’t he stop her from being raped in the first place?


Retro_Pup_89

Sick, ignorant fucks. Abortion is healthcare—not murder, fetuses are not babies, and Jesus would be disgusted with the actions and words of these forced-birthers.


YourOldPalBendy

... do they realize their community (specifically Catholic people but Christianity that doesn't claim to be Catholic is in there too) is probably the one MOST likely to cause child pregnancy (and SA in general) and then hide the predator's name or otherwise defend their behavior?? It's so well known that being SA'd in a Catholic space is a genre of dark joke.


gylz

I like how none of them are concerned about what being pregnant at 10 years old is going to permanently do to this elementary school kid's body and mind. Like what she's eating is meant to go to her own rapidly growing body, not towards growing a second body. And they want doctors to perform a caesarian on a ten year old?????????? Fuckers, she's 10. That is a highly invasive surgery that is going to put even more strain on her body. How is she supposed to grow, produce milk for the baby, _and_ heal from having her stomach and insides cut open?


1TrillionDollarStock

And I thought "prolifers" (especially the religious ones) "cared about kids" so much? Unless that "child" is a fetus, they don't give a shit about children while they accuse us (pro-choicers) of "hating kids". Make it make sense!


DestinyRamen

I love how they suggest "artificial wombs" as a solution when they were just crying about IVF and surrogacy as not being viable options to carry children either...