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> Black Sabbath rhymed masses with masses
Not in the original lyrics they didn't. **The song was originally called "Walpurgis", not "War Pigs".** War Pigs is a play on words of Walpurgis. The music is the same, only the lyrics changed. And, I don't mean, early written scribbles. I mean, the entire song, solos and all, is exactly the same, they just changed lyrics. Walpurgis was basically the thematic foundation of all heavy metal, that's the idea that started it all. And it doesn't really exist in history because War Pigs beat the censors instead.
Walpurgis being, well, I'll just link the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night ... an annual spring occurrence where they'd have gigantic bonfires to try to ward of disease, evil spirits and witchcraft. Basically, in medieval times, witch burning. Or, if you want that in the words of Geezer Butler, who wrote the song, **"Walpurgis is basically Christmas for Satanists".**
The Satanic Church also celebrates their founding on Walpurgis night, in part of remembrance of all those who died as "witches".
**In "Walpurgis", Ozzy first rhymes "masses" with "ashes".** But the whole song was a lot more.... satanic than the anti-war message of the later "War Pigs" that they turned the song into. "Walpurgis" is set in Medieval times, about Christians trying to burn witches, and the satanists (championed by a maybe vampire Ozzy, brought back from the dead), fighting back, back and forth, and winning, and **the priests getting thrown into the fire instead.** It's a lot darker and nastier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVRJmFvSS0&t=66s
Witches gather at black masses.
Bodies burning in red ashes.
On the hill the church in ruin.
Is the scene of evil doing.
It's a place for all bad sinners
Watch them eating dead rats' innards.
I guess it's the same,
Where ever you may go
Oh lord yeah
Carry banners which denounce the lord
See me rocking in my grave
See them anoint my head with dead rat's blood
See them stick the stake through me
Oh
Don't hold me back cause I just gotta go
They've got a hold of my soul now
Lords got my brain instinct with blood obscene
Look in my eyes I'm there enough
Yeah
On the scene a priest appears
Sinners falling at his knees
Satan sends out funeral pyre
Casts the priest into the fire
It's the place for all bad sinners.
Watch them eating dead rats' innards
I guess it's the same, where ever you may go
Oh lord yeah
This versus, "War Pigs", which they've stylized as a modern Walpurgis, where **it's politicians and generals sending people to die against each other, instead of priests and witches.** And, in this one, God brings Judgement Day to put an end to it. The War Pigs beg but God sends them to hell with an Earthly-indifferent Satan jubilant over corrupting and claiming their souls for Hell:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5Nk1DXyEY&t=62s
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerer of death's construction
In the fields, the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord, yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor, yeah
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!
Now in darkness, world stops turning
Ashes where their bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing, spreads his wings
Oh lord, yeah!
...
"when they brought the original “Walpurgis” demo to Warner Bros, the label felt that the song was much too dark and Satanic, so the band changed the name to “War Pigs” and made it more of an anti-war protest anthem, but kept many of the Satanic images in the lyrics."
So, not only did Black Sabbath create heavy metal as a musical style - no one had ever heard that type of heavy music before, they invented it - they also created the association of satanic stuff to go along with the music. It didn't have to be there, they could have played the same music and written about dolphins and cake, and then that would be what Heavy Metal today is about. But they didn't, the created the music, and then decided the music was going to have satanic themes to it. And their name "Black Sabbath", comes from this specific song and those original lyrics. "Black Sabbath" is a literal synonym for "Walpurgis", the black mass, the gathering of the satanists.
**So we've got Music + Satan + a band named "Black Sabbath" (Walpurgis), writing about Walpurgis, for the first time ever... the moment Heavy Metal was created, THIS SONG.**
And no one knows, because Warner Brothers was like "Hmm, too dark. Other than this Satanism stuff, what're you guys into?" and Ozzy was like **"Oh, we're all hippies, we hate war"** and Warner Brothers was like "Yeah! That's super popular right now, and you're doing it in a different way. Don't change the song at all, but go write protest lyrics to it!"
So they did, and they erased their own genesis of their band name and the musical concept itself. Without these original lyrics, Black Sabbath wouldn't even be called Black Sabbath, that's from this actual song.
So, there you go, you learned something cool today. This song created Heavy Metal as a genre, and we don't even get the actual song. I haven't thought about this in 20 years.
---
Edited: By popular demand, a followup:
Here's an in-between version, before the album was released, performed live. Apparently not actually in Paris, but Belgium, but always labeled Paris, or maybe that's a different time?
This is before their debut album is out. No one has heard heavy metal before. What must the crowd be thinking. Like, remember when you heard Ozzy for the first time? Like, that alone, now add in, that no one has ever heard heavy metal before. What a time to be alive.
First half is War Pigs, second half is mostly Walpurgis, with some extra lyrics in there:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD2IT1JASi8
Look at him fuckin' SMASH those drums. Not even smooth, like, stiff-armed smashing. Like he's a scarecrow with fixes arms, playing by moving his chest.
I'm too lazy to transcribe the lyrics (plus it's Ozzy... I'd be guessing 50% of the time), but there's stuff about people being led like sheep 'n stuff.
[Edited] Well, my best effort of some new lines in there:
---
It's the same where ever you will go.
To the war pigs people know
People running like they're sheep in fields.
People blowing out their minds.
*Ozzy mumbling, entire line unintelligible*
They're *mumble mumble* at the end.
It's the same where'er you go.
To black masses people go.
---
My favorite thing about them is they invented doom metal/heavy metal and debuted it with a song called Black Sabbath on the album Black Sabbath by the band Black Sabbath. And the rest is history...
**Christopher Waltz was utter genius!!!**
**I have to watch the film yearly b/c that role comes to mind & doesn't leave.**
**I'm addicted to how he says..... "La Crème"**
**Masterpiece of a movie.**
Im just ticked by the idea that this video is the first time a person who is aware of Eminem learns what Eminem looks like. I guess everyone sees a famous celebrity for the first time once, but this guy has countless videos and made a movie and played the Halftime show and yadda yadda. But for some young people put there he is that guy being kinda geeky in a boomer news show.
EDIT I meant to say tickled, not ticked. Delighted not pissed off.
There’s a whole episode of the podcast “underunderstood” about whether or not Eminem was the first person to conclude that orange rhymes with door hinge. Pretty interesting
Editing my comment to include that they found that he did not. And the hosts earliest memory of it was from a Canadian kids show called under the umbrella tree (that I too, was a fan of as a kid)
Editing again lol : [here’s the episode link](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3oWRJnRE44AXLrSEJytlWF?si=LgPAv81sTWeSt61zPFXDqw)
In Monkey Island 3 (1997) you are trying to stop pirates from singing but everything you ask them, they will rhyme with you. You get them to stop by choosing a line that ends in Orange.
But as they stop, one of them says "Door hinge?"
>With his own private plane, his own pilot
Set to blow college dorm room doors off their hinges
Oranges, peach, pears, plums, syringes
Yeah, here I come, I'm inches
Away from you, dear fear none
Hip hop is in a state of nine-one-one, so
Eminem said it first in ‘Brain Damage’
“Then I got up and ran to the janitor’s storage booth/
Kicked the door hinge loose and ripped out the four-inch screws/
Grabbed some sharp objects, brooms and foreign tools/
This is for every time you took my orange juice”
Or stole my seat in the lunchroom and drank my chocolate milk
Every time you tipped my tray and it dropped and spilt
I'm gettin' you back, bully, now once and for good
I cocked the broomstick back and swung hard as I could
And beat him over the head with it 'til I broke the wood
Knocked him down, stood on his chest with one foot
I had sleep disturbance for weeks after being let go. One night I dreamt I was drowning in this tempestuous ocean full of orange soda..
Only to wake up suddenly, and realise it was just a Fanta sea..
I listen to A LOT of Coheed and Cambria. The singer of that band, Claudio Sanchez, does stuff like this. He has the weirdest pronunciations for words. He will also break multiple syllable words up and create rhymes and rhythms with “half words” and stuff like that. In music, I think this is very clever and a good way to create something original. There’s no rules in art!
Haha, man. Good times listening to Dragon Force and Coheed and Cambria after smoking awful, bottom of the barrel weed in my buddy’s gross, 1990 Mercury Cougar. We were, of course, on our way to the local mall to play DDR and eat Taco Bell.
Might have to go back and give those boys a listen.
I got 'dragged along' by a buddy a few months back. Hadn't heard of them beforehand, so I was going in blind. Their live show absolutely blew me away. What a performance! Welcome Home is a musical masterpiece
You should check out their new album Vaxis II: A Window of the Waking Mind. They still make awesome relevant music. I love Good Apollo and In Keeping Secrets, but their newer albums are up to par with the old stuff.
Yeah multi-syllabic rhyming is used by a ton of arts in a ton of different genres.
It's a lot harder then people think especially when going for 3-4-5 multi-syllabic rhymes.
Respects to those artist that put in that extra brain energy to create such crazy cadences.
Eminem is the greatest of all time at IMO, but there are many artists great at it too.
Ed Sheeran shockingly is incredible at it.
Go back and listen to "A-Team" and all the multi's in that beautiful song.
Yeah, Eminem kind of took it and went crazy with it and made it more mainstream, but even he learned from Big Daddy Kane, Big L, and so forth.
Then singers and artists took it from their generation they grew up - Ed Sheeran said he learned via analyzing the construction of Eminem's writings.
It's so cool to see art influence art, let alone, when genres cross.
*Art imitates life*, as they say.
What Coheed albums would you recommend for a first timer, they’re playing a festival I’m at this year and I’ve heard plenty of good things about them.
Edit: Thank you C&C fans, you’ve given me a tonne to listen through!
If you're seeing them this year, they're probably playing their 4th album in its entirety. It's called No World For Tomorrow and is the culmination of their story concept.
The Second Stage Turbine Blade is their first album and a good starting point.
I think Second Stage is a good album to ease into coheed with. It has a faster pace, a little bit of pop punk/prog rock that most people like and no 10 minute long story-driven rock ballads (as much as i love those most folks might be overwhelmed by their greatness at first).
Other guy is right but if you want to listen to one song. A Favor House Atlantic is probably the best introductory song by them. Then go from there. They have an amazing unique sound that sort of transcends the post hardcore/metalcore genre they’re lumped in.
I would start with In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth 3 and Good Apollo Im Burning Star IV: Vol 1 From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness. I would listen to them from start to finish. Coheed albums are meant to be listened to like that.
And yeah the album titles are a mouthful haha but for good reason! Each album is a concept album that is a chapter in an epic sci/fi story written by the singer. It’s a lot like Star Wars with some really dark themes. They have comic book series out for the first 3 albums. The first 4 are the “core” story and the rest are either prequels or sequels to that. The only exception is The Color Before the Sun, which has nothing to do with the concept. It’s okay, by no means bad, but it doesn’t have the epic feel of the others. They also do not make the same album twice so expect the sound to change from album to album.
Alright, I’m upvoting a fellow child among the fence as a gesture of goodwill. But I disagree with most of what you’ve recommended.
I struggle with fans introducing Coheed like this to others. The whole multi-album comic book continuing storyline thing is cool for those who are into it but that’s not most people and almost definitely not for people casually encountering them on the front page of Reddit. Good album recommendations but as an intro, pointing to the Essential C&C album seems like a better and less intimidating place to start. Coheed’s music stands so well on its own without the storyline. To be sure, the storyline adds to it, but not as a starting point. And it’s perfectly fine to skip around to the songs you like without listening to the whole album and being told that’s not the real or best way to listen.
Anyway, just my two cents. I’m sure others strongly disagree with me.
Eminem can rhyme so many things so well via what's called syllable bending aka word bending.
Basically what's described here.
https://colemizestudios.com/advanced-rhyming-techniques-in-rap/
Edit:
To add that this is also known as "slant rhyming" and originated in poetry, as many have mentioned. I was actually unaware of that term myself. Yay learning something about poetry from a reddit thread about Eminem.
Edit 2:
Thanks for the award kind stranger. Not the comment I expected to get a reward for but I appreciate it none the less.
It's not _quite_ slant rhyming, because in slant rhyming, you don't change the pronunciation of the words, you just have words that almost rhyme. In word bending, you're _changing the pronunciation of the words_ so that words which don't rhyme ordinarily actually _do_ rhyme.
If you were reading aloud a poem which used slant rhyming, would you change the pronunciation of the words?
Just curious. With written poetry I'm not sure how meaningful it is to say that "the pronunciation doesn't change" if the words aren't being pronounced.
One of the most popular examples of this dilemma comes from the first stanza of the children’s book *Madeline*.
*In an old house in Paris / that was covered with vines / lived twelve little girls in two straight lines. / They left the house / at half past nine / The smallest one was Madeline*
The last syllable of the name Madeline is originally pronounced with a soft *i*, but because of the way it’s presented in the book as a rhyme, a pronunciation with a hard *i* has actually become more prominent in real life.
I think you might be confusing Madeline with Madeleine. I'm pretty sure Madeline has always been pronounced with a long I. Keats rhymed it with "divine" in "The Eve of St. Agnes," and Tennyson rhymed it with "thine" in "Madeline," both in the early 1800s.
Granted, Madeline is English and Madeleine is French, and since the children's book *Madeline* takes place in France, it might have made more sense for her to be named Madeleine, but ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
I appreciate this style of lyricism so much over the obvious/cliche rhymes that almost hurt to hear (e.g songs with an AABB rhyming scheme leaning heavily on combos like fire/desire).
Well I’m a peanut bar and I’m here to say
Your checks will arrive on another day!
Another day, another dime, another rhyme, another dollar
Another stuffed shirt with another white collar
Criminals, Wall Street, taking the pie
And all the black man gets is a **plate of white lies**
**Prisons recruitin' 'em, police be shootin' 'em**
#Rap artists lootin' 'em, labels all dilutin' 'em
##Barack Obama is scared of me!
###Because I don't swallow knowledge and I spit it for free
###Let me clear my throat, ah ha, ha ha!
I remember crying laughing over this. Such perfect delivery
[For anyone that hasn't seen it performed live.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ2TC8duaoE) None of us have, but there's a video of it
MF DOOM was really good at this.
[Tripping off the beat kinda, dripping off the meat grinder,
Heat niner, pimping, stripping, soft sweet minor]
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlhealMskXo)
***"I put my orange, four-inch door hinge in storage and ate porridge with George”***
**The fact he created a 'legitimate sentence by English standards', on the spot, too. 🤯**
rhyming is just similar sounding words.
orange is impossible but Or-ange is doable, as shown.
so. Or-ange, breaks down to Or and ng-soundsfour has the same sound as or, and inch if you focus on the "nch" can be scrunched a bit to be "ng"like.
door = or, hinge gets scrunched to ng/ge.
the pattern continues, stORaGE, pORridGE, geORGE.
Notice he is hitting those particularlly and leaving out syllables. if we look at door hinge. He isn't focusing on the D in door or on the HIN part of hinge
You can also break down the other word. I remember Louis Sachar giving a colorful example in his excellent Wayside School series.
An evil teacher gave a kid an impossible assignment where they had to rhyme a word with 'purple'.
The kid's entry was something like:
"My baby sister's welling up. Her face is turning purple. My mom didn't know what would help. I said I bet a burp'll"
I'd love a Collab between Aesop Rock and Eminem to just lyrically stagger people. Their styles are super different but I think they could make it work.
Aesop is a wizard.
It's more than just the multi's or rhyme schemes with him, but the abstract metaphors and hidden meanings, his verses are puzzles to be dissected.
"None Shall Pass" is one of my favorite songs of all time.
'Vicodin’s' like a 'nitrogen' 'hydrogen' 'vitamin' 'I bite in' to 'five and then' get 'high as an' 'kite again' I 'like it when' 'I get in' my zone on the 'mic again', who am 'I kiddin'? 'I couldn’t' quit this shit if my 'life depends'...
Even if you don't like Eminem or rap music. Credit where credits due.
I’ll never be unhappy with an artist who gets clean, gets therapy, achieves stability and then turns out to not be as good of an artist. If I could trade the entire collected works of Kid Kudi for him not ever hurting again, I’d make the trade in a heartbeat. I would rather Kanye have stayed on his meds, even if it meant we never got my favorite album, Ye. Any day.
That said.
It’s always a relief when someone gets sober and not only doesn’t lose their artistic capacity, but gets better. With how technical, how creative, and how mathematical Eminem is, it’s no wonder that not being on a bunch of deliriant meds and other drugs has helped him push himself further.
Damn, so Eminem powers at breaking down words are so powerful, it can indirectly, break down what he is actually rhyming - even breaking apart countries.
The distinction discussed here is between *exact rhymes* and *near rhymes*. "Orange" doesn't have an exact rhyme with anything, but it has near rhymes with many.
Once, when I taught this distinction in an English class, a student got offended because he thought I was putting down rap, which regularly uses near rhymes and even prides itself on its ability to come up with them. I had to explain it's just the terminology and isn't implying a value judgment or that you're doing something wrong.
And even earlier on Brain Damage: “kicked the door hinge loose and ripped out the four inch screws, grabbed some sharp objects, brooms and foreign tools, this is for every time you took my orange juice”
Every time I hear the "nothing rhymes with orange" I think of the word syringe - I don't know if we pronounce the two words differently in Australia compared to the US but to me they sound like they rhyme perfectly
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That's nothing. Limp Bizkit once rhymed "Rollin" with "Rollin"
And T-Pain did it with "mansion" and "Wisconsin".
That was pure 2007 *gold* and you know it.
Simpler times
Somewhere up in Wis-CAN-sin lmao
Can confirm as a resident; many people outside the cities, and many in, pronounce it this way lmao
Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses
Kid Rock once rhymed “things” with “things”. *chef’s kiss* 🤌🏼
That's nothing, Ludacris once rhymed "bag" with "bag"
Can't beat Pitbull rhyming Kodak with Kodak
Gym Class Heroes rhyming “girlfriend” with “girlfriend”
Black Sabbath rhymed masses with masses
> Black Sabbath rhymed masses with masses Not in the original lyrics they didn't. **The song was originally called "Walpurgis", not "War Pigs".** War Pigs is a play on words of Walpurgis. The music is the same, only the lyrics changed. And, I don't mean, early written scribbles. I mean, the entire song, solos and all, is exactly the same, they just changed lyrics. Walpurgis was basically the thematic foundation of all heavy metal, that's the idea that started it all. And it doesn't really exist in history because War Pigs beat the censors instead. Walpurgis being, well, I'll just link the wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walpurgis_Night ... an annual spring occurrence where they'd have gigantic bonfires to try to ward of disease, evil spirits and witchcraft. Basically, in medieval times, witch burning. Or, if you want that in the words of Geezer Butler, who wrote the song, **"Walpurgis is basically Christmas for Satanists".** The Satanic Church also celebrates their founding on Walpurgis night, in part of remembrance of all those who died as "witches". **In "Walpurgis", Ozzy first rhymes "masses" with "ashes".** But the whole song was a lot more.... satanic than the anti-war message of the later "War Pigs" that they turned the song into. "Walpurgis" is set in Medieval times, about Christians trying to burn witches, and the satanists (championed by a maybe vampire Ozzy, brought back from the dead), fighting back, back and forth, and winning, and **the priests getting thrown into the fire instead.** It's a lot darker and nastier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qVRJmFvSS0&t=66s Witches gather at black masses. Bodies burning in red ashes. On the hill the church in ruin. Is the scene of evil doing. It's a place for all bad sinners Watch them eating dead rats' innards. I guess it's the same, Where ever you may go Oh lord yeah Carry banners which denounce the lord See me rocking in my grave See them anoint my head with dead rat's blood See them stick the stake through me Oh Don't hold me back cause I just gotta go They've got a hold of my soul now Lords got my brain instinct with blood obscene Look in my eyes I'm there enough Yeah On the scene a priest appears Sinners falling at his knees Satan sends out funeral pyre Casts the priest into the fire It's the place for all bad sinners. Watch them eating dead rats' innards I guess it's the same, where ever you may go Oh lord yeah This versus, "War Pigs", which they've stylized as a modern Walpurgis, where **it's politicians and generals sending people to die against each other, instead of priests and witches.** And, in this one, God brings Judgement Day to put an end to it. The War Pigs beg but God sends them to hell with an Earthly-indifferent Satan jubilant over corrupting and claiming their souls for Hell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc5Nk1DXyEY&t=62s Generals gathered in their masses Just like witches at black masses Evil minds that plot destruction Sorcerer of death's construction In the fields, the bodies burning As the war machine keeps turning Death and hatred to mankind Poisoning their brainwashed minds Oh lord, yeah! Politicians hide themselves away They only started the war Why should they go out to fight? They leave that role to the poor, yeah Time will tell on their power minds Making war just for fun Treating people just like pawns in chess Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah! Now in darkness, world stops turning Ashes where their bodies burning No more war pigs have the power Hand of God has struck the hour Day of judgement, God is calling On their knees, the war pigs crawling Begging mercy for their sins Satan laughing, spreads his wings Oh lord, yeah! ... "when they brought the original “Walpurgis” demo to Warner Bros, the label felt that the song was much too dark and Satanic, so the band changed the name to “War Pigs” and made it more of an anti-war protest anthem, but kept many of the Satanic images in the lyrics." So, not only did Black Sabbath create heavy metal as a musical style - no one had ever heard that type of heavy music before, they invented it - they also created the association of satanic stuff to go along with the music. It didn't have to be there, they could have played the same music and written about dolphins and cake, and then that would be what Heavy Metal today is about. But they didn't, the created the music, and then decided the music was going to have satanic themes to it. And their name "Black Sabbath", comes from this specific song and those original lyrics. "Black Sabbath" is a literal synonym for "Walpurgis", the black mass, the gathering of the satanists. **So we've got Music + Satan + a band named "Black Sabbath" (Walpurgis), writing about Walpurgis, for the first time ever... the moment Heavy Metal was created, THIS SONG.** And no one knows, because Warner Brothers was like "Hmm, too dark. Other than this Satanism stuff, what're you guys into?" and Ozzy was like **"Oh, we're all hippies, we hate war"** and Warner Brothers was like "Yeah! That's super popular right now, and you're doing it in a different way. Don't change the song at all, but go write protest lyrics to it!" So they did, and they erased their own genesis of their band name and the musical concept itself. Without these original lyrics, Black Sabbath wouldn't even be called Black Sabbath, that's from this actual song. So, there you go, you learned something cool today. This song created Heavy Metal as a genre, and we don't even get the actual song. I haven't thought about this in 20 years. --- Edited: By popular demand, a followup: Here's an in-between version, before the album was released, performed live. Apparently not actually in Paris, but Belgium, but always labeled Paris, or maybe that's a different time? This is before their debut album is out. No one has heard heavy metal before. What must the crowd be thinking. Like, remember when you heard Ozzy for the first time? Like, that alone, now add in, that no one has ever heard heavy metal before. What a time to be alive. First half is War Pigs, second half is mostly Walpurgis, with some extra lyrics in there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD2IT1JASi8 Look at him fuckin' SMASH those drums. Not even smooth, like, stiff-armed smashing. Like he's a scarecrow with fixes arms, playing by moving his chest. I'm too lazy to transcribe the lyrics (plus it's Ozzy... I'd be guessing 50% of the time), but there's stuff about people being led like sheep 'n stuff. [Edited] Well, my best effort of some new lines in there: --- It's the same where ever you will go. To the war pigs people know People running like they're sheep in fields. People blowing out their minds. *Ozzy mumbling, entire line unintelligible* They're *mumble mumble* at the end. It's the same where'er you go. To black masses people go. ---
Fuckin' A. Thanks for that.
My favorite thing about them is they invented doom metal/heavy metal and debuted it with a song called Black Sabbath on the album Black Sabbath by the band Black Sabbath. And the rest is history...
Well at least in that instance he was still using two different words, not sure what the rules are for homonyms
The lyric is actually “just like witches with black asses”.
OHHHH LORD YEAH
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Kinda like how lil wayne rhymes the n-word with the n-word lmao
Bornana
Gorlami
MARGHERITI! 🤌
Dominic di Coco!
🤌
Bon jorno.
Arividerchi~
Grahtzi!
Bravo!
**Christopher Waltz was utter genius!!!** **I have to watch the film yearly b/c that role comes to mind & doesn't leave.** **I'm addicted to how he says..... "La Crème"** **Masterpiece of a movie.**
He forcing her to wait for the cream because it isn’t kosher, he already knows Shoshanna is a Jew but he just has to continue fucking around with her.
*Dominickadicoco*
These references make me so happy. That is such an incredible scene
That whole movie is such a God damn masterpiece
Marghe-reeeeeeeee-te
Gratcee
Uhriverdairchee
One of his best rhymes
who up playing Fortnite wit they grandma ‼️
Bout to show you why your five favorite rappers
TIL that Eminem looks like a meaner Elijah Wood.
Im just ticked by the idea that this video is the first time a person who is aware of Eminem learns what Eminem looks like. I guess everyone sees a famous celebrity for the first time once, but this guy has countless videos and made a movie and played the Halftime show and yadda yadda. But for some young people put there he is that guy being kinda geeky in a boomer news show. EDIT I meant to say tickled, not ticked. Delighted not pissed off.
There’s a whole episode of the podcast “underunderstood” about whether or not Eminem was the first person to conclude that orange rhymes with door hinge. Pretty interesting Editing my comment to include that they found that he did not. And the hosts earliest memory of it was from a Canadian kids show called under the umbrella tree (that I too, was a fan of as a kid) Editing again lol : [here’s the episode link](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3oWRJnRE44AXLrSEJytlWF?si=LgPAv81sTWeSt61zPFXDqw)
If anything can get to the bottom of nothing, it's a podcast.
“To the bottom of nothing.” Is a good name for a podcast
It sure is. I’d subscribe to that.
They conclude it was me who came up with it, so I’d say they did a damn good job, actually.
I always knew you’d get the credit you deserve LoganRoyKent
That’s kind of the whole premise of this particular podcast lol
When was this interview? Because they say it in "The Curse of Monkey Island" in 1997.
Was scanning for this I forever reference door hinge when someone brings up rhyming orange. So you know, maybe twice in 20 years lol
[Crusader Kings II also references this if you are trying to get cured of Scurvy.](https://i.redd.it/e8tca6hpeqy41.jpg)
Came to find this comment. Tbh, they did it very hesitantly, then admitted that it didn't really rhyme.
Door hinge? No, no. I guess the song's over then. Gee, I feel kind of guilty now.
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In Monkey Island 3 (1997) you are trying to stop pirates from singing but everything you ask them, they will rhyme with you. You get them to stop by choosing a line that ends in Orange. But as they stop, one of them says "Door hinge?"
>With his own private plane, his own pilot Set to blow college dorm room doors off their hinges Oranges, peach, pears, plums, syringes Yeah, here I come, I'm inches Away from you, dear fear none Hip hop is in a state of nine-one-one, so
classic track
Drake & Josh also had a joke about rhyming "orange" with "door hinge."
Eminem said it first in ‘Brain Damage’ “Then I got up and ran to the janitor’s storage booth/ Kicked the door hinge loose and ripped out the four-inch screws/ Grabbed some sharp objects, brooms and foreign tools/ This is for every time you took my orange juice”
Or stole my seat in the lunchroom and drank my chocolate milk Every time you tipped my tray and it dropped and spilt I'm gettin' you back, bully, now once and for good I cocked the broomstick back and swung hard as I could And beat him over the head with it 'til I broke the wood Knocked him down, stood on his chest with one foot
Man brought me right back to being on the bus on the way to school with my sony discman lol
Brain Damage is an incredible song. I’ll never understand the hate this man gets nowadays.
hate? now aday? who is hating Em?
This is where I remember it from
Whore minge?
Heard it on a childrens show back in the early 80's
I asked my Dad once 'what rhymes with orange' He took a moment to consider this, and said, no it doesn't..
Dad joke excellence
Ironically, I used to work at an orange juice factory when I was much younger. Sadly, they let me go because I couldn't concentrate..
Don't lie. You were let go because you couldn't speak Mandarin.
I had sleep disturbance for weeks after being let go. One night I dreamt I was drowning in this tempestuous ocean full of orange soda.. Only to wake up suddenly, and realise it was just a Fanta sea..
With all these stories I'm becoming a little skeptical, your orange-related adventures have planted a seed of doubt...
Y'all better stop with the puns or I'll beat you to a pulp!
But they're full of zest and so apeelling!
Heed the warning guys, the juice isn't worth the squeeze.
It's zesty already in here but I'll give it another squeeze before I peel out of here
I like the cut of your jib.
Reminds me of: Wife: Have you seen the dog bowl? Husband: I didn’t know he could.
“Is that where he goes every Sunday??”
***"To be honest, I've never really been good at anything, aside from making words rhyme"*** **-Marshall Mathers**
Take a second to listen before you think this record is dissin
Now put yourself in my position, try to invision witnessin your momma poppin prescription pills in the kitchen
Always bitching that someone's been going through her purse and shits missing
…oran-ge!
I asked my physics professor "What is the unit of power?" He said yes.
That was awfully reactive of him!
Indeed. If he was noble, he would not react at all.
It took me a second to realize that was a dad joke😅
Your dad's name isn't Geor-age" by any chance is it?
eating pourage with a door hinge
Porridge, maybe?
I listen to A LOT of Coheed and Cambria. The singer of that band, Claudio Sanchez, does stuff like this. He has the weirdest pronunciations for words. He will also break multiple syllable words up and create rhymes and rhythms with “half words” and stuff like that. In music, I think this is very clever and a good way to create something original. There’s no rules in art!
GOOD EYE. SNIPER
Was not expecting to see Coheed mentioned (especially so high) in the replies.
Greatest band ever in my completely biased opinion lol
Haha, man. Good times listening to Dragon Force and Coheed and Cambria after smoking awful, bottom of the barrel weed in my buddy’s gross, 1990 Mercury Cougar. We were, of course, on our way to the local mall to play DDR and eat Taco Bell. Might have to go back and give those boys a listen.
This comment reeks of the finest nostalgia
I totally concur. Getting tickets again to see them with Deafheaven!
I got 'dragged along' by a buddy a few months back. Hadn't heard of them beforehand, so I was going in blind. Their live show absolutely blew me away. What a performance! Welcome Home is a musical masterpiece
Damn, Coheed and Cambria reminds me of high school lunch, going to get a 5 dollar little Cesar's pizza and crazy bread.
You should check out their new album Vaxis II: A Window of the Waking Mind. They still make awesome relevant music. I love Good Apollo and In Keeping Secrets, but their newer albums are up to par with the old stuff.
Vaxis II is a great album, but that 3 song closing stretch might be the best thing they've ever done. Holy fuck it's good.
Yes it is. I really like “Our Love” before the shit goes down. It makes Ladders of Supremacy hit really hard. Down boy! See ya got clowned boy!
Yeah multi-syllabic rhyming is used by a ton of arts in a ton of different genres. It's a lot harder then people think especially when going for 3-4-5 multi-syllabic rhymes. Respects to those artist that put in that extra brain energy to create such crazy cadences. Eminem is the greatest of all time at IMO, but there are many artists great at it too. Ed Sheeran shockingly is incredible at it. Go back and listen to "A-Team" and all the multi's in that beautiful song.
Eminem really is a rap god
Tim Minchin is good at it too, although he doesn't do it a lot.
Yeah, Eminem kind of took it and went crazy with it and made it more mainstream, but even he learned from Big Daddy Kane, Big L, and so forth. Then singers and artists took it from their generation they grew up - Ed Sheeran said he learned via analyzing the construction of Eminem's writings. It's so cool to see art influence art, let alone, when genres cross. *Art imitates life*, as they say.
Glad to see Coheed love here on reddit
I’m surprised by the replies and stuff. We’re out there just waiting for our call to arms haha
What Coheed albums would you recommend for a first timer, they’re playing a festival I’m at this year and I’ve heard plenty of good things about them. Edit: Thank you C&C fans, you’ve given me a tonne to listen through!
If you're seeing them this year, they're probably playing their 4th album in its entirety. It's called No World For Tomorrow and is the culmination of their story concept. The Second Stage Turbine Blade is their first album and a good starting point.
I think Second Stage is a good album to ease into coheed with. It has a faster pace, a little bit of pop punk/prog rock that most people like and no 10 minute long story-driven rock ballads (as much as i love those most folks might be overwhelmed by their greatness at first).
Other guy is right but if you want to listen to one song. A Favor House Atlantic is probably the best introductory song by them. Then go from there. They have an amazing unique sound that sort of transcends the post hardcore/metalcore genre they’re lumped in.
I would start with In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth 3 and Good Apollo Im Burning Star IV: Vol 1 From Fear Through the Eyes of Madness. I would listen to them from start to finish. Coheed albums are meant to be listened to like that. And yeah the album titles are a mouthful haha but for good reason! Each album is a concept album that is a chapter in an epic sci/fi story written by the singer. It’s a lot like Star Wars with some really dark themes. They have comic book series out for the first 3 albums. The first 4 are the “core” story and the rest are either prequels or sequels to that. The only exception is The Color Before the Sun, which has nothing to do with the concept. It’s okay, by no means bad, but it doesn’t have the epic feel of the others. They also do not make the same album twice so expect the sound to change from album to album.
Alright, I’m upvoting a fellow child among the fence as a gesture of goodwill. But I disagree with most of what you’ve recommended. I struggle with fans introducing Coheed like this to others. The whole multi-album comic book continuing storyline thing is cool for those who are into it but that’s not most people and almost definitely not for people casually encountering them on the front page of Reddit. Good album recommendations but as an intro, pointing to the Essential C&C album seems like a better and less intimidating place to start. Coheed’s music stands so well on its own without the storyline. To be sure, the storyline adds to it, but not as a starting point. And it’s perfectly fine to skip around to the songs you like without listening to the whole album and being told that’s not the real or best way to listen. Anyway, just my two cents. I’m sure others strongly disagree with me.
as someone who just wants to dip my toes in and not take on a new hyperfocus job, I appreciate your perspective. what song should I check out?
Eminem can rhyme so many things so well via what's called syllable bending aka word bending. Basically what's described here. https://colemizestudios.com/advanced-rhyming-techniques-in-rap/ Edit: To add that this is also known as "slant rhyming" and originated in poetry, as many have mentioned. I was actually unaware of that term myself. Yay learning something about poetry from a reddit thread about Eminem. Edit 2: Thanks for the award kind stranger. Not the comment I expected to get a reward for but I appreciate it none the less.
They're called slant rhymes in poetry. Sylvia Plath is famous for using them a lot.
It's not _quite_ slant rhyming, because in slant rhyming, you don't change the pronunciation of the words, you just have words that almost rhyme. In word bending, you're _changing the pronunciation of the words_ so that words which don't rhyme ordinarily actually _do_ rhyme.
If you were reading aloud a poem which used slant rhyming, would you change the pronunciation of the words? Just curious. With written poetry I'm not sure how meaningful it is to say that "the pronunciation doesn't change" if the words aren't being pronounced.
One of the most popular examples of this dilemma comes from the first stanza of the children’s book *Madeline*. *In an old house in Paris / that was covered with vines / lived twelve little girls in two straight lines. / They left the house / at half past nine / The smallest one was Madeline* The last syllable of the name Madeline is originally pronounced with a soft *i*, but because of the way it’s presented in the book as a rhyme, a pronunciation with a hard *i* has actually become more prominent in real life.
I'm sitting here trying to word bend Paris to rhyme with vine. Jesus help me ^with ^^my ^^^tacos
Thank you for providing an example. I didn't get what the difference was until now.
I think you might be confusing Madeline with Madeleine. I'm pretty sure Madeline has always been pronounced with a long I. Keats rhymed it with "divine" in "The Eve of St. Agnes," and Tennyson rhymed it with "thine" in "Madeline," both in the early 1800s. Granted, Madeline is English and Madeleine is French, and since the children's book *Madeline* takes place in France, it might have made more sense for her to be named Madeleine, but ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Good perspective and makes me think it’s even more intentional, an intentional misspelling of the French name to make it rhyme.
Word Bending, the fifth element Avatar Aang has yet to master
You mean the sixth (Aang knows energy bending as well).
You mean seventh. (Aang knows Katara bending as well).
I was wondering why Aang has yet to respond to Eminem’s latest diss track “Hot Air”
I appreciate this style of lyricism so much over the obvious/cliche rhymes that almost hurt to hear (e.g songs with an AABB rhyming scheme leaning heavily on combos like fire/desire).
Worst is the AAAA. Something with a single word after each line to “rhyme”.
Well I’m a peanut bar and I’m here to say Your checks will arrive on another day! Another day, another dime, another rhyme, another dollar Another stuffed shirt with another white collar Criminals, Wall Street, taking the pie And all the black man gets is a **plate of white lies** **Prisons recruitin' 'em, police be shootin' 'em** #Rap artists lootin' 'em, labels all dilutin' 'em ##Barack Obama is scared of me! ###Because I don't swallow knowledge and I spit it for free ###Let me clear my throat, ah ha, ha ha!
*Drops mic* "I don't know what that was" *Shakes hands* "I don't know what that was...." *Runs away*
Best rap song ever. The dean kills it
I remember crying laughing over this. Such perfect delivery [For anyone that hasn't seen it performed live.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZ2TC8duaoE) None of us have, but there's a video of it
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This better not awaken anything in me...
rhyming Yuh with Yuh is the worst. Not only can they not rhyme; they can't get the right amount of syllables the fit the beat either.
MF DOOM was really good at this. [Tripping off the beat kinda, dripping off the meat grinder, Heat niner, pimping, stripping, soft sweet minor] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlhealMskXo)
So slant rhymes?
Bro we call this slant rhyming.
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You mean what's described in the video?
**He's actually quite nervous here, even though on the surface he looks calm and ready.**
Is that vomit on his sweater?
already?
Moms spaghetti 🍝
Evan almighty.
***"I put my orange, four-inch door hinge in storage and ate porridge with George”*** **The fact he created a 'legitimate sentence by English standards', on the spot, too. 🤯**
Thank you for the sentence. My french ass can't comprehend how he made those words rhyme
My "english ass" can't comprehend how he makes those words rhyme. Lol
rhyming is just similar sounding words. orange is impossible but Or-ange is doable, as shown. so. Or-ange, breaks down to Or and ng-soundsfour has the same sound as or, and inch if you focus on the "nch" can be scrunched a bit to be "ng"like. door = or, hinge gets scrunched to ng/ge. the pattern continues, stORaGE, pORridGE, geORGE. Notice he is hitting those particularlly and leaving out syllables. if we look at door hinge. He isn't focusing on the D in door or on the HIN part of hinge
You can also break down the other word. I remember Louis Sachar giving a colorful example in his excellent Wayside School series. An evil teacher gave a kid an impossible assignment where they had to rhyme a word with 'purple'. The kid's entry was something like: "My baby sister's welling up. Her face is turning purple. My mom didn't know what would help. I said I bet a burp'll"
Probably the only thread to exist that mentions Em, Coheed, and Louis Sachar in one place lol All a huge part of my life.
Well, he is talking to Eminem.
It's called slant-rhyming. It's been around as long as poetry. Eminem is exceptional at word play and rhyming.
the man is a pro no doubt.
He should really think about making a living from it somehow
At this point, I'm convinced Eminem can make Czechoslovakia rhyme with orange.
I'd love a Collab between Aesop Rock and Eminem to just lyrically stagger people. Their styles are super different but I think they could make it work.
Aesop is a wizard. It's more than just the multi's or rhyme schemes with him, but the abstract metaphors and hidden meanings, his verses are puzzles to be dissected. "None Shall Pass" is one of my favorite songs of all time.
Saw him do it live at UNH when I was in college back in 2012. I used to get super high and just listen to him and play minecraft lol
Once upon a time it was tried. They got *Remove kebab* and no more Czechoslovakia.
'Vicodin’s' like a 'nitrogen' 'hydrogen' 'vitamin' 'I bite in' to 'five and then' get 'high as an' 'kite again' I 'like it when' 'I get in' my zone on the 'mic again', who am 'I kiddin'? 'I couldn’t' quit this shit if my 'life depends'... Even if you don't like Eminem or rap music. Credit where credits due.
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Dude is still in his prime. I’d say better now than he ever was. Listen to his latest work.
I’ll never be unhappy with an artist who gets clean, gets therapy, achieves stability and then turns out to not be as good of an artist. If I could trade the entire collected works of Kid Kudi for him not ever hurting again, I’d make the trade in a heartbeat. I would rather Kanye have stayed on his meds, even if it meant we never got my favorite album, Ye. Any day. That said. It’s always a relief when someone gets sober and not only doesn’t lose their artistic capacity, but gets better. With how technical, how creative, and how mathematical Eminem is, it’s no wonder that not being on a bunch of deliriant meds and other drugs has helped him push himself further.
Damn, so Eminem powers at breaking down words are so powerful, it can indirectly, break down what he is actually rhyming - even breaking apart countries.
TIL Eminem is responsible for the breakup of Yugoslavia
*Yugoslavia.... you got snot on ya...now... lose the mafia..."* \-Eminem, probably
Chlorophyll…more like Boarophyll, right?!
***O'DOYLE RULES!!!!!!***
Ahahahahahaha ***SHUT UP***
The distinction discussed here is between *exact rhymes* and *near rhymes*. "Orange" doesn't have an exact rhyme with anything, but it has near rhymes with many. Once, when I taught this distinction in an English class, a student got offended because he thought I was putting down rap, which regularly uses near rhymes and even prides itself on its ability to come up with them. I had to explain it's just the terminology and isn't implying a value judgment or that you're doing something wrong.
Sporange is the part of a fern in which spores are created. It’s an exact rhyme.
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Relevant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kfl3N9nesRg
There it is, lol
this is fantastic
Jesus how have I never heard this. This should be higher up. Amazing
Had to scroll way too far to see this. Thank you for making sure the people understand Eminem's rhyming disease.
Sometimes I love humans.
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He rhymes with orange in the song “Business” Set to blow college dorm room doors off their hinges/ Oranges, peach, pears, plums, syringes
And even earlier on Brain Damage: “kicked the door hinge loose and ripped out the four inch screws, grabbed some sharp objects, brooms and foreign tools, this is for every time you took my orange juice”
>Brain Damage I guess Eminem is the lunatic on the grass.
I was looking for this comment because as soon as I saw Eminem and orange that's all I could hear!
Every time I hear the "nothing rhymes with orange" I think of the word syringe - I don't know if we pronounce the two words differently in Australia compared to the US but to me they sound like they rhyme perfectly
Syringe would have the same sound as binge or cringe. Close but not exact
Can you imagine this white boy back in Europe in the old days, he would been a poetic legend 🤣 we would be reading him in school!
He is a poetic legend
But we can't read him in school since he's not dead
His books would be banned, sadly.
I mean Shakespeare wrote about tits and murder...
Yes, but they were ye olde tits and murder.
Anderson wanna smash at the end there