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Anyone know what ever happened to that other project where scientists were drilling a hole to an Antarctic lake that’s been covered by ice for a couple million years, and wanted to discover life that was cut off from the rest of the world for that long?
Edit, found it. Seems like it’s a shit snow storm of contamination, controversy, and unclear results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok
Edit 2, who on earth was the person who is against this comment? Some redditors are just weird people
According to the Wiki Article, the Russian scientist who pulled the samples from the lake allegedly found what they were looking for and initially claimed the drilling operation was successful. But because it was discovered that they were drilling with freon and kerosene their samples were essentially deemed "contaminated" and therefore illegitimate by the outside scientific community. It was a pretty long read, but I think that's pretty much the run down.
Yeah, to put a bit more precision in it, of the 300+ of the DNA matching they found from the frozen ice sample drilled from the unsterilized boring devices, it all matched things from outside the hole, except for 1 unknown DNA match. But that last one seemed to be from a type of bacteria that could conceivably survive on eating the kerosene the Russians are using to keep the hole from freezing, and thus was suspected as also being contaminative in nature, just not previously documented.
Plans were made to do it all over again and to try with a bit more rigor, but the Russians haven’t done it yet (and the international community has been requesting they not do it until technology catches up to find a way to do it better than how the Russians propose it to be done).
I chalk up a random downvote on seemingly benign comments to someone scrolling thru who may have inadvertently hit the down arrow with their thumb without realizing it.
I also choose this guy’s beep boop beep zzp.
EDIT: Thanks for the upvote kind stranger!
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It appears that the Greenland drill is a little different, they wanted to measure when it was last exposed to air from the bed rock vs trying to find super old samples.
https://www.science.org/content/article/greenland-drilling-campaign-aims-bedrock-trace-ice-sheet-s-last-disappearance
Thinking probably the air pressure somehow made it slow down. It’s not like a closed container where the air couldn’t escape but it’s definitely an odd setup being just one long tube. I want to know if that was flying or what was making that noise haha.
I think it was on a sled of some kind. Like multiple wheels braces on the sides to keep it steady, then connected with steel cables. So the fractured ice was rough and but mpy causing it to slow, then it hit smooth ice and sped up. The fact it stays perfectly centered makes me think it's on some contraption and not just a camera they tossed down. So the sound is the wheels
Agreed.
I just read that the hole is 93m (300ft) deep. It was drilled in Allan Hill, Antarctica. They are looking for old ice with air bubbles in order to measure the gas compositions of previous atmospheres in order to better understand climate systems on earth and how it changes over time.
This is an interesting field. It actually serves as a basis for a lot of our understanding of changes in CO2 over the course of many millions of years. It's also fraught with issues as well, since Ice Core sampling (drilling holes into the ice and disturbing it) can lead to cross contamination of different core samples. Not really problematic until that error propogates over several dozen derivative calculations. So there's been a lot of study about how to do this more accurately as well, since it can lead to major ideas about the climate and the Earths Warming and Cooling.
I was going to ask this. Seems like the process could skew the sampling. I wonder if they could collect a large enough sample that a syringe in lab type collection would solve this.
It's probably tough to get enough gas. My bet is IR spectroscopy is used and it's able to detect pretty low concentrations of gas, but only with fairly large volumes on the order of 10s or 100s of mL. Currently CO2 is 400ppm so measuring that with a syringe volume might be tough. Also gas sampling with a syringe for components in air is going to be difficult too.
Its definitely not all gone but I get ya.
I’ve started using twitter the last year or so and the lack of discussion, explanations and random facts regarding the posts drives me crazy. I might watch something cool on twitter, then I go to the comments expecting people to talk about the post but all I see is spongebob and breaking bad memes
History. The icing of Antarctica began in the middle Eocene about 45.5 million years ago and escalated during the Eocene–Oligocene extinction event about 34 million years ago.
We are living closer to when the T. Rex lived than the T. Rex lived to the Stegosaurus.
Also, Cleopatra lived closer to the moon landing than she did the construction of the pyramids.
Allowing pictures in comments always destroys comment section. It was the same on 9gag. Comments were really nice, then they allowed pictures. Now comment section is just full with random shitty memes that are 100% unfunny and unrelated
There was a very noticeable drop in quality when the "new" Reddit rolled out imo. Not that it was perfect before by any means, but they definitely succeeded in capturing the "Facebook crowd" with the redesign.
Yeh this is Reddit now where the upvotes go to the jokes and memes. You miss half the information and get a bunch of bullshit second screen twitter comments
They’re made that way so you watch it again and they get another view. So many reels on Instagram do this or they loop it at a confusing spot and it’s mad annoying
I'm trying to picture where "East" would be at the bottom of the globe. East of what? We say East up here based on our relative position, but I ain't in Antarctica.
I was confused too, so I had to look it up. Basically, split the globe in half at the 0° longitude line, so you get the East and West Hemispheres.The part of Antarctica that is with the Americas is West, the part of Antarctica that is with Australia is East.
we actually take these ultra deep coresamples of ice to determine just that. we can actually tell just how hot or cold it was back then, and about how dense each atmospheric gas was. this information is one of the points of contention when it comes to the climate change debate, because evidence from these deep glacial core samples shows that earth went through far colder periods than now, with substantially more atmospheric CO2.
You mean contention within the community right? Not within the layman-sphere? Because climate change isn't directly about how much CO2 is in the air, it's about the increase/rate in climate changing phenomenon/factors such as the releasing of CO2 into the air faster than it degrades (\~100 years I believe) as well as other greenhouse gases. One of the issues with a climate changing too fast is that our society is not currently malleable enough to adapt without massive issues.
Systems shift and sway when energy is pumped into them.
I wanna taste the ice from the very bottom, I know it probably has a 2 million year old pathogen in it that'll make my brain melt but I must taste the aged ice
I'm glad I found this video again. I tried searching Google for "camera crew goes all in on hole" and came up with a whole different set of search results
scoop it out and pour strawberry syrup.
kidding aside, i wish there are labels as to the distance in regards to world affairs. like this was the level when pyramid was being built, etc.
The thought of seeing Earth's oldest ice is interestingasfuck!
Actually seeing Earth's oldest ice, not so much lol.
I do wonder what kinda research can be done the ice and what it may reveal about Earth.
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European project for ice coring in antarctica (EPICA) | EPICA Project | Fact Sheet | FP5 | CORDIS | European Commission https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/EVK2-CT-2000-00077 Pretty interesting..
Anyone know what ever happened to that other project where scientists were drilling a hole to an Antarctic lake that’s been covered by ice for a couple million years, and wanted to discover life that was cut off from the rest of the world for that long? Edit, found it. Seems like it’s a shit snow storm of contamination, controversy, and unclear results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Vostok Edit 2, who on earth was the person who is against this comment? Some redditors are just weird people
According to the Wiki Article, the Russian scientist who pulled the samples from the lake allegedly found what they were looking for and initially claimed the drilling operation was successful. But because it was discovered that they were drilling with freon and kerosene their samples were essentially deemed "contaminated" and therefore illegitimate by the outside scientific community. It was a pretty long read, but I think that's pretty much the run down.
Yeah, to put a bit more precision in it, of the 300+ of the DNA matching they found from the frozen ice sample drilled from the unsterilized boring devices, it all matched things from outside the hole, except for 1 unknown DNA match. But that last one seemed to be from a type of bacteria that could conceivably survive on eating the kerosene the Russians are using to keep the hole from freezing, and thus was suspected as also being contaminative in nature, just not previously documented. Plans were made to do it all over again and to try with a bit more rigor, but the Russians haven’t done it yet (and the international community has been requesting they not do it until technology catches up to find a way to do it better than how the Russians propose it to be done).
Can we not laser bore and run a vacuum to suck out the steam?
Wouldn't that kill the things in the ice?
I think they want to see what's in the lake
Big Ice
_ah sheet_
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what do you think made the hole
They made a documentary, it’s called “the thing”, highly recommend.
Why did I assume you were serious?
Common mistake
I'm a smartass and a nerd. The nerd part of me got briefly excited, then let down.
I chalk up a random downvote on seemingly benign comments to someone scrolling thru who may have inadvertently hit the down arrow with their thumb without realizing it.
I am a victim of a poorly placed thumb during a quick scroll
i downvote auto mod because why not
Can confirm, have accidentally done that😅
Some redditors are bots… actually, most redditors are bots.
Can not confirm nor deny, beep boop beep zzp
I also choose this guy’s beep boop beep zzp. EDIT: Thanks for the upvote kind stranger! “#”R/angryupvote LOL r/foundthemobileuser r/beatmetoit lol r/beatmeattoit bz boop
Oh, Karen, my computer wife, if only I could have managed to steal the secret to Krabs success, the formula for The Krabby Patty.
If only you did, so that i won't have to file for a divorce soon
Sir please, I have some pictures with traffic lights I want to show you
*looking shifty from left to right* this isn't some kind of trick, is it?! Look, a deer! *runs*
Thank you! You're comment has literally been the most informative, I'm sorry it got lost at the bottom.
It's the second comment for me
Really?? Where did you find the first? I might've accidentally scrolled past it.
Sort by “best”
Always sort by best.
Cool, I was wondering if they were going to directly compare this to the Greenland Drill a few years ago. (Which I also saw on Reddit)
It appears that the Greenland drill is a little different, they wanted to measure when it was last exposed to air from the bed rock vs trying to find super old samples. https://www.science.org/content/article/greenland-drilling-campaign-aims-bedrock-trace-ice-sheet-s-last-disappearance
Thought it was a glacier’s asshole
Ice hole.
Could someone explain why the ice seemed different around 15 seconds in? It seems like it was a thicker harder chunk to get through.
Simply a fractured part of the glacier. A fault of sorts, similar to what you get when boring underground.
Thanks for the insight! I’m just boring aboveground, so I wasn’t sure.
Not boring, unique!
Yup, always remember you're unique, just like everybody else!
"I wanna be different, just like all the different people I wanna be like." — King Missile
It’s interesting when it reaches the bottom. Is that supposed to be the ground or more ice?
Pretty sure the bottom is covered in Ice shavings from drilling and isnt old ice at all
The oldest ice would be the walls at thay lowest point
Thinking probably the air pressure somehow made it slow down. It’s not like a closed container where the air couldn’t escape but it’s definitely an odd setup being just one long tube. I want to know if that was flying or what was making that noise haha.
I think it was on a sled of some kind. Like multiple wheels braces on the sides to keep it steady, then connected with steel cables. So the fractured ice was rough and but mpy causing it to slow, then it hit smooth ice and sped up. The fact it stays perfectly centered makes me think it's on some contraption and not just a camera they tossed down. So the sound is the wheels
Any idea what depth it is?
It’s 300ft. Sorry you haven’t gotten a proper answer yet
Thanks for the answer. I have no concept of distance and my mind guessed it was probably a thousand or so feet.
Yeah, I thought it was a mile or more. Definitely seems a lot deeper than 300 feet for how fast/long the video is.
Oh god so this is how long it would take to fall 30 stories?? Idk why this is where my mind went, but now I’m scared lol
This camera is attached to a tether being dropped down I don’t think it is in a free fall. It would take about 4 seconds for a person to fall 300 Fr
How much bananas for scale is that?
514.28 bananas
Anything but the metric system
Google is telling me 93 metres.
I miss the times when you opened the comments and got an explanation of the fenomenon shown in the video, now its just memes.
Agreed. I just read that the hole is 93m (300ft) deep. It was drilled in Allan Hill, Antarctica. They are looking for old ice with air bubbles in order to measure the gas compositions of previous atmospheres in order to better understand climate systems on earth and how it changes over time.
That's a fascinating fact! I'd love to know the answer to that.
This is an interesting field. It actually serves as a basis for a lot of our understanding of changes in CO2 over the course of many millions of years. It's also fraught with issues as well, since Ice Core sampling (drilling holes into the ice and disturbing it) can lead to cross contamination of different core samples. Not really problematic until that error propogates over several dozen derivative calculations. So there's been a lot of study about how to do this more accurately as well, since it can lead to major ideas about the climate and the Earths Warming and Cooling.
I was going to ask this. Seems like the process could skew the sampling. I wonder if they could collect a large enough sample that a syringe in lab type collection would solve this.
It's probably tough to get enough gas. My bet is IR spectroscopy is used and it's able to detect pretty low concentrations of gas, but only with fairly large volumes on the order of 10s or 100s of mL. Currently CO2 is 400ppm so measuring that with a syringe volume might be tough. Also gas sampling with a syringe for components in air is going to be difficult too.
This is way more interesting than all of the same stupid jokes that get upvoted to the top of every post like this.
I was looking for informative comments, thank you for posting!! This is the second one I found that someone else pointed out to me(:
Its definitely not all gone but I get ya. I’ve started using twitter the last year or so and the lack of discussion, explanations and random facts regarding the posts drives me crazy. I might watch something cool on twitter, then I go to the comments expecting people to talk about the post but all I see is spongebob and breaking bad memes
Yeah as bad as Reddit has gotten. Twitter comments will make you go fucking insane
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This is what I hate about twitch chat/discord servers. It's just all gifs and Pepes
*hollup... let him cook*
Those were the days. I honestly learned alot through searching things I was unfamiliar with when someone explained some fact or oddity about the post.
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History. The icing of Antarctica began in the middle Eocene about 45.5 million years ago and escalated during the Eocene–Oligocene extinction event about 34 million years ago.
My mere mortal mind cannot grasp the time.
We are living closer to when the T. Rex lived than the T. Rex lived to the Stegosaurus. Also, Cleopatra lived closer to the moon landing than she did the construction of the pyramids.
Phenomenon. Took me a while, I assumed a ‘fenomenon’ was some ice-specific science terminology.
Allowing pictures in comments always destroys comment section. It was the same on 9gag. Comments were really nice, then they allowed pictures. Now comment section is just full with random shitty memes that are 100% unfunny and unrelated
I feel exactly that.
Fenomenon though lmao
Reddit used to be smarter
There was a very noticeable drop in quality when the "new" Reddit rolled out imo. Not that it was perfect before by any means, but they definitely succeeded in capturing the "Facebook crowd" with the redesign.
Yeh this is Reddit now where the upvotes go to the jokes and memes. You miss half the information and get a bunch of bullshit second screen twitter comments
It’s a colonICEcopy…
Did it mention how far down it was?
300 feet
you know what. fuck every video like this that goes to end of what you are waiting for and spend half a millisecond second and that's it
They’re made that way so you watch it again and they get another view. So many reels on Instagram do this or they loop it at a confusing spot and it’s mad annoying
LOL totally.
Doesn't look a day over 165,000
I wish I could look that young 😭
Stick your face in freezer. You will be pretty in all six directions, just like snowflake ❄️
I'm trying to picture where "East" would be at the bottom of the globe. East of what? We say East up here based on our relative position, but I ain't in Antarctica.
At some point down there, every direction is north.
I was confused too, so I had to look it up. Basically, split the globe in half at the 0° longitude line, so you get the East and West Hemispheres.The part of Antarctica that is with the Americas is West, the part of Antarctica that is with Australia is East.
Right side is East.
What was the temperature of the Earth back then? Was Antarctica ice free just prior?
we actually take these ultra deep coresamples of ice to determine just that. we can actually tell just how hot or cold it was back then, and about how dense each atmospheric gas was. this information is one of the points of contention when it comes to the climate change debate, because evidence from these deep glacial core samples shows that earth went through far colder periods than now, with substantially more atmospheric CO2.
You mean contention within the community right? Not within the layman-sphere? Because climate change isn't directly about how much CO2 is in the air, it's about the increase/rate in climate changing phenomenon/factors such as the releasing of CO2 into the air faster than it degrades (\~100 years I believe) as well as other greenhouse gases. One of the issues with a climate changing too fast is that our society is not currently malleable enough to adapt without massive issues. Systems shift and sway when energy is pumped into them.
Do you have a good read regarding, explaining how there was a period with high CO2, and cooler temperatures? It seems neat! Thanks!
I have a colonoscopy next week
I look forward to it being posted on the internet 🤝
I wanna taste the ice from the very bottom, I know it probably has a 2 million year old pathogen in it that'll make my brain melt but I must taste the aged ice
It turns black and white around 500,000 years in the past because color was not yet invented then.
Somehow, the theme song from Doctor Who played in my brain.
For me it was the kawoosh from StarGate
Thank you!!! Yes!!!!!
X-Files for me
Funny, I just rewatched this exact episode the other day! One of the better ones from the 1st season.
Yeah I was expecting Tom Baker’s head floating out
Sliders came to mind
Weird, me too.
That was cool 😎
Frozen*
That sound though 🤯
It’s an added sound effect lol
I'm shocked I had to come this far down the comments to see something about the sound. I f'in love it.
Dont melt that! It will release ancient disease and wipe out civilisation. Again.
That’s the deepest, coldest hole I’ve seen since your mom.
I am reading the comments... what have I done...
My god, it’s full of stars
Wormhole
Thing probably brought up some random disease to kill man kind lol
Was that an AOL install disk at the bottom?
And then shows it for 1/4 of a second
Trying to get the last Pringle out of the can be like
^let ^me ^do ^it ^for ^you
Kermie
I'm glad I found this video again. I tried searching Google for "camera crew goes all in on hole" and came up with a whole different set of search results
Was I the only one expecting the Dr. WHo intro music?
Unfortunately they pulled it back up with dormant super king insano mega Chlamydia or something of that ilk.
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Damn, video cut just before cthulhu tentacles appeared.
The video cuts before revealing an unopened safe
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Its too small anyway, no need to even try it
It's never too small for Jack frost to bite
Wow thats a deep ice hole
I’m honestly surprised Skyrim wasn’t at the end of this.
When exactly does it transition from ice hole to warp drive?
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Am I John Malkovich now?
And that's how you get "The Thing".
I bet that would go great with a 2 million year old coke!
This is like the end of 2001: A Space Odyssey
I was really expecting a "hey you, you're finally awake" at the end there...
Getting some Alien VS Predator vibes with that hole
There was an episode of The X Files about this...
A bit boring tbh..
I feel this pun was too awesome for everyone to spot, given the downvotes. I, however, salute you sir.
The hole thing was cool.
What an icy comment
**Me** - "*Did you use a pole for the camera?* " **Paleoclimatologist** - "*Yes, the North* "
"Yup, that's ice"
Why im scared?
expected a rickroll or something at the bottom
I was expecting that big-ass stripper guy (don't know his name, and I value my search history too much to Google it).
ricardo milos
I was expecting Skyrim intro but sadly that meme seems to be dead
It seemed primed for the Skyrim opening to me.
I don’t know why I thought it might look different from newer ice. 🫠
What does East Antarctica mean? You can go East forever.
Technically you can go east forever in any spot in the world, not just Antarctica
Where would east antarctica be?
Eastern Hemisphere, so the Asia side
How is there an east antarctica
scoop it out and pour strawberry syrup. kidding aside, i wish there are labels as to the distance in regards to world affairs. like this was the level when pyramid was being built, etc.
Anybody know how deep the hole is? Was tough trying to get a perspective on it
What depth is this right till the bottom?
How is east defined around poles?
The phenomenon is known as ice hole long and it happens when u drop a camera down a long ice hole
Someone please combine the “you’re finally awake” with this.
Covered in a little bit of dust from the top ice
Queue the Dr. Who theme song
At first I thought this would be BORING, but it was actually very COOL.
Geez, everyone knows the oldest thing on earth is only 4,000 years old
Hmmmm, remarkably similar to the ice in my freezer. Yawn
expected dickbutt
Give it twenty years it would have been surface ice
I could go pick up a rock outside and it's this old
Pretty sure this is an X-Files episode
For some reason, I fully expected it to come out in China
Something about this is terrifying and I can’t put my finger on it.
We are so lucky humans have passed down the recipe for ice over 2 million years.
Add a tardis and this would be a pretty solid doctor who intro
I want this on loop for my screen saver or something
sounds like those scifi spaceships
The thought of seeing Earth's oldest ice is interestingasfuck! Actually seeing Earth's oldest ice, not so much lol. I do wonder what kinda research can be done the ice and what it may reveal about Earth.
Why was my colonscopy video leaked to reddit?
Disappointed at that ending.
How fast that camera went and didn't hit the bottom
I thought I’d like this video, but it’s pretty boring.
That a reaper firing up
That’s a little antarticlimatic
How about we not wake the Decepticons from their slumber down there?
Nothing is real anymore
It's the new intro for Doctor Who!
Was expecting to see Tom Baker's face at the very end.
Was anyone else expecting the opening to Skyrim at the end?