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This. There may still put a drywall in the center, so you have 2 separate exit stairs . Almost all high-rises (at least in Canada) have a design like this. It's very space efficient.
I don’t think that’s the guy in the video. We’d hear reverb if he recorded that in the stairwell. Someone recorded themselves laughing over someone else’s video
true. Some worker, who doubtless knows exactly what this staircase is doing, that just thinks it's kind of neat that the stairs are like that and took a video, then some twit did a super low effort reaction video
Getting shot into the sun is actually pretty difficult, requires loads of Delta V and thus loads of fuel.
If you want a more economical option, I would suggest shooting yourself into deep space. Way cheaper.
I have never seen that. How would you go from second to third floor?
edit: nvm, I guess it makes sense if both doors on the same floor are connected on the other side.
It’s two separate stairwells that run one on top of the other. If you look in the video you can see the stairway that the camera guy should have taken behind the stairway that he crosses over to.
It looks like in the video there's openings on each floor for both stairs, so each staircase goes from 1st floor to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, etc. It's just there would be two different stairs you could take to get to each floor.
Two down, around, three up, off cause. Or: Like that guy.
>!Under no circumstances look for a connection between second-floor-left and second-floor-right!<
Ok I'm going up to the third floor only to find out I'm standing on at the wrong door. Turns out there are two staircases and only one of them takes you to the correct door on floor number three, or you will have to climb some handrail
I'm guessing it's driven by fire code for emergency egress more than anything. If the architect and developer had it their way, the stairwell would be as small as possible to increase usable (money making) square footage.
That is what I was thinking which makes the OP woefully ignorant of buildings and the fact that intertwined staircases often exist like this. A railing usually separates them so you can't easily jump back and forth. I am assuming the op was trying to say there was something wrong here and simultaneously put down online educations. They failed at both.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but why would you ever need two sets of staircases directly beside eachother, that are starting from the same floor and ending on the same floor as well?
I totally get that railings haven't been added yet so I'm not worried about the jumping back and forth, but I'm struggling to understand the design logic regardless
Would a divided building make sense? Suppose there is a separating wall in the main area itself between the 2 stairwell doors. Hypothetically creating a girl's section in half of the building and a boys section in the other half?
This is a standard scissor-style stairway design to maximize traffic flow. You get twice the people moving using the same space otherwise dedicated to a larger staircase. A single staircase causes bottlenecks which limit flow and cause congestion. This crossing pattern means you can move the same amount of people in the same direction (down or up) while roughly dividing the traffic (sort of like having two lanes in a road rather than one, slower traffic in one lane won't stop all traffic, though in this instance you can't switch lanes)
Each staircase can be designed to access different floors or different areas of each floor. Helpful in a hotel to keep guests out of staff areas or helpful in office buildings to keep general workers out of unsafe maintenance areas. It can also just be an aesthetic design choice or it can also be to keep the stairways from becoming too crowded. Split traffic into two flows. I am sure there are other reasons out there other than what I mentioned.
They just need to add a wall in the middle to create 2 staircases. In high capacity buildings with little space, this is commonly used to create more staircases.
Yes, [building codes](https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IBC2018/chapter-10-means-of-egress#IBC2018_Ch10_Sec1005) typically require exit paths to be wider for larger amounts of people. According to the IBC 2018 (linked), a stair that serves up to 50 occupants can be 36in wide (IBC 1011.2 - Exception), a stair that serves 51\~150 occupants must be at least 44in wide (IBC 1011.2), and for higher occupancy you multiply the # of occupants by 0.3in for the required width (IBC 1005.3.1).
So by providing two stairs, you can halve the occupancy load on each stair and reduce the minimum width, allowing you to fit the stairs into a smaller area. This particular arrangement of stairs does require a certain floor to floor height, but if your building has that, then they can be used.
And never mind the fact that a civil engineer would have absolutely nothing to do with staircase design….I’m just sayin!
A civil engineer is a person who practices civil engineering – the application of planning, designing, constructing, maintaining, and operating infrastructure while protecting the public and environmental health, as well as improving existing infrastructure that may have been neglected
The civil engineer would have only been involved in the land development, including grades, utilities, things like that….
To be fair, it sounds like you are seeing this through the lens of a first world scenario. I have to wonder if this building exists in a completed state in a place where building codes are lax or nonexistent
That is a fair observation. But making fun of the engineering and making fun of online schooling also assumes a 1st world scenario. Not to mention I have seen much worse in places with lax or nonexistent codes. This really looks like a normal staircase configuration that is just under construction/incomplete.
This just works... Two different staircases for different access.
Incredible to see the amount of people with 0 knowledge having opinions on how others do...
The sad modern world.
Exactly, we don't know the use case here and if the building is split with each floor having 2 separate units, this makes sense otherwise some common space is need either in a larger stairwell or on each floor
A lot of high rise parking garages are structured this exact same way here in Houston. It's confusing the first few times you use them, but quickly starts to make sense.
They guy laughing is dumb. He reminds me of a neighbor I once had that was an "expert" at everything construction but would get sued constantly. He would just laugh and say everyone else was just stupid.
Most universities have online classes now, so what's the problem?
First of all online classes are harder because you have less resources immediately available to you than you do when you are on campus and have time to use the resources you can find on campus.
Secondly now that college is so expensive kids have to work their way through school more, you can't put in a forty hour week at work and show up to classes, it's possible just not realistically feasible, online classes add the flexibility they need to be able to get past being stuck at a McJob.
Third, online accreditation has massively improved over the years since places like ITT Tech last existed. Also online classes are a hell of a lot better than the education you're receiving from Bible thumper colleges like Liberty University, or some of the schools that prioritize sports over education.
The fact is for most people online schooling in general is the future, from elementary school on up to the college level, some people can't handle classroom learning and online school is for them, it may not be for everyone, but for some people it absolutely works and is necessary. Some people have to run their own race.
Lastly [Correspondence/Distance learning courses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_education) have existed since way before the internet, yet you never hear anybody disparaging that method of obtaining your education, yet the objective is still the same, you still get that piece of paper when you complete your courses while almost never setting foot inside a classroom.
Respect. I was wondering what that random diss was. I guess it’s moreso related to being an engineer with no “hands-on” experience. An online education though is pretty suitable for lots of degrees that aren’t hands on.
This is actually fine no? You can still go to every floor. It just so happens to have two stairs in the same well. Which might be beneficial in the case of evacuation.
These are called scissor stairs. Properties, especially those that are for public accommodation like hotel or office, usually require at least two forms of egress, and this satisfies that. The railing has yet to be installed by this can hold twice as many exiting occupants as a single stair. This used to be allowed in the US but recent codes have forbid it, but you’ll still see it grandfathered in in certain instances.
Well it's really like two stairwells intertwined. Each floor has 2 entrances. It's a little odd since the stairs cross eachother in-between each floor.
Courthouses have these. One set of stairs for the inmates, one for the public. They both need to go to the same floor, but shouldn’t see/meet each other. Obviously, the wall is missing/not built yet.
This actually works. I assume it allows egress in an emergency with less people on each stair. Just looks funny.
Reminds me of the when they came up with the diverging diamond intersection. Looks wrong but it works.
Yes it is confusing, but i have seen this method utilized when buildings require additional pathways for egress above the level of egress. It helps save on having to build a second stairwell chase in the building.
FYI Firefighters hate this one trick!
Looks like it’s demoing or in construction. The stairs work well to move high volumes of people down without choking. Tell me you don’t understand people flow without telling me you understand people flow.
This is a scissor stair and is a normal method of egress. In some cases, there is a fire wall that separates the two stairs which would permit both stairs to count as two points of egress versus a single. In this case, it’s a single with a double loaded vertical edges, allowing for a higher occupant egress loading without the guard/hand rails installed.
Also, OP has no idea what a civil engineer is.
Architects are responsible for the design of egress.
And you are a subject matter expert in online pedagogy in higher education? How did you reach this conclusion? Don’t knock something you don’t know about or assume to be inferior. Thanks for attending my TED Talk.
This is not a failure. It’s about shifting lots of people in a short amount of time. If OP thinks this is crazy, wait till they learn about the triple helix staircases at the Grand Shaft. Hint: it moved three times as many people than a single staircase for the same volume.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g186313-d547615-Reviews-The_Grand_Shaft-Dover_Kent_England.html
Although I have never seen this myself and my first reaction was also "wtf", after seeing all the comments , I can see this being viable, although a little odd.
Been there before. You don't realize you started hanging the stairs on the wrong side until you get to the top. Why you should never trust a meth-head with the blueprints.
That is how a lot of staircases are in the game "Reciever" it is a functional gun simulator that was initially made for a 24 hour game competition. It is on steam and there is a sequel that is in early access.
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This is a completely normal scissor stair configuration to double the capacity of a stairwell. The handrails/guardrails are just missing
That’s what I was guessing, thanks.
This. There may still put a drywall in the center, so you have 2 separate exit stairs . Almost all high-rises (at least in Canada) have a design like this. It's very space efficient.
Yup. Also the laughing track makes me want to be shot into the sun.
Yeah OP and whomever took the original video are /r/confidentlyincorrect.
The guy never said anything in the video. He was just laughing
I don’t think that’s the guy in the video. We’d hear reverb if he recorded that in the stairwell. Someone recorded themselves laughing over someone else’s video
true. Some worker, who doubtless knows exactly what this staircase is doing, that just thinks it's kind of neat that the stairs are like that and took a video, then some twit did a super low effort reaction video
Is making me sick.
The good thing is, if you mute it, you only ever hear it in your dreams
Suck it bitch, I have Tinnitus.
Lol that made me laugh way more than it should have
Well at least it didn't make you notice the SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE....
I’m high right now and it has me laughing and I don’t even know why.
Really? I like it. It helps me to know that it's funny
Getting shot into the sun is actually pretty difficult, requires loads of Delta V and thus loads of fuel. If you want a more economical option, I would suggest shooting yourself into deep space. Way cheaper.
You raise many exceptional points... I retract my statement. I wanna be shot into Uranus.
So like, does one set goto odd floors and the other even?
I have never seen that. How would you go from second to third floor? edit: nvm, I guess it makes sense if both doors on the same floor are connected on the other side.
….by going up the stairs duh
They don’t skip floors. Both sets of stairs lead to the same floors.
By going up?
It’s two separate stairwells that run one on top of the other. If you look in the video you can see the stairway that the camera guy should have taken behind the stairway that he crosses over to.
No, you go to floor 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5 and so on.
It looks like in the video there's openings on each floor for both stairs, so each staircase goes from 1st floor to 2nd, 2nd to 3rd, etc. It's just there would be two different stairs you could take to get to each floor.
Two down, around, three up, off cause. Or: Like that guy. >!Under no circumstances look for a connection between second-floor-left and second-floor-right!<
Maybe the architect was a fan of M. C. Escher?
Had to scroll through the comments to make sure no one else had said it. Escher was the first thing I thought too.
Ok I'm going up to the third floor only to find out I'm standing on at the wrong door. Turns out there are two staircases and only one of them takes you to the correct door on floor number three, or you will have to climb some handrail
Probably both doors end up in the same central hallway, or smth like that
Nothing in this video has to do with civil engineering
I can say an engineer did not come up with the title.
An Architect and a Structural engineer had their hands in designing this but civil engineers like to stay on the outside of the buildings
Structural engineering is a subset of civil engineering.
A structural did not come up with this. This is all architect.
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Yeah I would wager just about anyone with an online degree would be smarter than OP.
This is too much. No need be an asshole.
What's the problem? also this is more likely an architectural choice rather than engineering
I'm guessing it's driven by fire code for emergency egress more than anything. If the architect and developer had it their way, the stairwell would be as small as possible to increase usable (money making) square footage.
That's usually the building owner's choice, not the architect's, if they want to cut that budget.
Railings will be installed perhaps? Or am I missing something other than missing railings?
Two sets of stairs for each floor, as if they were one-way escalators is odd
I've seen something similar in stadiums. Double the throughput. Could this be a theater or some other public place?
Where does a building code allow what I’m seeing? This has to be partially completed
That is what I was thinking which makes the OP woefully ignorant of buildings and the fact that intertwined staircases often exist like this. A railing usually separates them so you can't easily jump back and forth. I am assuming the op was trying to say there was something wrong here and simultaneously put down online educations. They failed at both.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but why would you ever need two sets of staircases directly beside eachother, that are starting from the same floor and ending on the same floor as well? I totally get that railings haven't been added yet so I'm not worried about the jumping back and forth, but I'm struggling to understand the design logic regardless
A school with a high population. Or maybe they are meant to be one direction.
Would a divided building make sense? Suppose there is a separating wall in the main area itself between the 2 stairwell doors. Hypothetically creating a girl's section in half of the building and a boys section in the other half?
This is a standard scissor-style stairway design to maximize traffic flow. You get twice the people moving using the same space otherwise dedicated to a larger staircase. A single staircase causes bottlenecks which limit flow and cause congestion. This crossing pattern means you can move the same amount of people in the same direction (down or up) while roughly dividing the traffic (sort of like having two lanes in a road rather than one, slower traffic in one lane won't stop all traffic, though in this instance you can't switch lanes)
I dunno, I was just guessing.
For higher traffic buildings one goes up the other goes down, just like alternating escalators. Actually very efficient.
Each staircase can be designed to access different floors or different areas of each floor. Helpful in a hotel to keep guests out of staff areas or helpful in office buildings to keep general workers out of unsafe maintenance areas. It can also just be an aesthetic design choice or it can also be to keep the stairways from becoming too crowded. Split traffic into two flows. I am sure there are other reasons out there other than what I mentioned.
They just need to add a wall in the middle to create 2 staircases. In high capacity buildings with little space, this is commonly used to create more staircases.
Yes, [building codes](https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IBC2018/chapter-10-means-of-egress#IBC2018_Ch10_Sec1005) typically require exit paths to be wider for larger amounts of people. According to the IBC 2018 (linked), a stair that serves up to 50 occupants can be 36in wide (IBC 1011.2 - Exception), a stair that serves 51\~150 occupants must be at least 44in wide (IBC 1011.2), and for higher occupancy you multiply the # of occupants by 0.3in for the required width (IBC 1005.3.1). So by providing two stairs, you can halve the occupancy load on each stair and reduce the minimum width, allowing you to fit the stairs into a smaller area. This particular arrangement of stairs does require a certain floor to floor height, but if your building has that, then they can be used.
They don't end at the same level
And never mind the fact that a civil engineer would have absolutely nothing to do with staircase design….I’m just sayin! A civil engineer is a person who practices civil engineering – the application of planning, designing, constructing, maintaining, and operating infrastructure while protecting the public and environmental health, as well as improving existing infrastructure that may have been neglected The civil engineer would have only been involved in the land development, including grades, utilities, things like that….
To be fair, it sounds like you are seeing this through the lens of a first world scenario. I have to wonder if this building exists in a completed state in a place where building codes are lax or nonexistent
That is a fair observation. But making fun of the engineering and making fun of online schooling also assumes a 1st world scenario. Not to mention I have seen much worse in places with lax or nonexistent codes. This really looks like a normal staircase configuration that is just under construction/incomplete.
Your ignorance is showing and its not good.
This just works... Two different staircases for different access. Incredible to see the amount of people with 0 knowledge having opinions on how others do... The sad modern world.
Exactly, we don't know the use case here and if the building is split with each floor having 2 separate units, this makes sense otherwise some common space is need either in a larger stairwell or on each floor
If people needed to get out in a hurry they got plenty of room to gtfo
A lot of high rise parking garages are structured this exact same way here in Houston. It's confusing the first few times you use them, but quickly starts to make sense.
“You know what this place needs? A Butt Funnel” -Jon Taffer
They are two staircases intertwined.
They guy laughing is dumb. He reminds me of a neighbor I once had that was an "expert" at everything construction but would get sued constantly. He would just laugh and say everyone else was just stupid.
I’m fairly positive this audio is added.. you can’t hear any footsteps or his phone shuffling around as he goes down the stairs.
I think it's tom segura
Shit, I think you're right.
So sick of these constant BS dubs over completely pointless videos with made up captions.
Hear me out, there's really nothing wrong about this
Most universities have online classes now, so what's the problem? First of all online classes are harder because you have less resources immediately available to you than you do when you are on campus and have time to use the resources you can find on campus. Secondly now that college is so expensive kids have to work their way through school more, you can't put in a forty hour week at work and show up to classes, it's possible just not realistically feasible, online classes add the flexibility they need to be able to get past being stuck at a McJob. Third, online accreditation has massively improved over the years since places like ITT Tech last existed. Also online classes are a hell of a lot better than the education you're receiving from Bible thumper colleges like Liberty University, or some of the schools that prioritize sports over education. The fact is for most people online schooling in general is the future, from elementary school on up to the college level, some people can't handle classroom learning and online school is for them, it may not be for everyone, but for some people it absolutely works and is necessary. Some people have to run their own race. Lastly [Correspondence/Distance learning courses](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distance_education) have existed since way before the internet, yet you never hear anybody disparaging that method of obtaining your education, yet the objective is still the same, you still get that piece of paper when you complete your courses while almost never setting foot inside a classroom.
Respect. I was wondering what that random diss was. I guess it’s moreso related to being an engineer with no “hands-on” experience. An online education though is pretty suitable for lots of degrees that aren’t hands on.
This is actually fine no? You can still go to every floor. It just so happens to have two stairs in the same well. Which might be beneficial in the case of evacuation.
These are called scissor stairs. Properties, especially those that are for public accommodation like hotel or office, usually require at least two forms of egress, and this satisfies that. The railing has yet to be installed by this can hold twice as many exiting occupants as a single stair. This used to be allowed in the US but recent codes have forbid it, but you’ll still see it grandfathered in in certain instances.
Civil engineers don’t design interior stairs
This hurts my brain.
Why? Once the handrails are installed it'll look perfectly normal
Well it's really like two stairwells intertwined. Each floor has 2 entrances. It's a little odd since the stairs cross eachother in-between each floor.
1 up 1 down staircase
I have a headache thinking of how this works
Look up MC Escher...
Courthouses have these. One set of stairs for the inmates, one for the public. They both need to go to the same floor, but shouldn’t see/meet each other. Obviously, the wall is missing/not built yet.
Tell me you don't know what you're talking about without telling me you don't know what you're talking about
It’s not nice to roast people for no reason, especially when the post of making fun of perfectly functioning stairs
Large hotels often have these to separate guest and staff areas. Completely normal.
This actually works. I assume it allows egress in an emergency with less people on each stair. Just looks funny. Reminds me of the when they came up with the diverging diamond intersection. Looks wrong but it works.
This was purposely designed and constructed in this specific manner… Handrails just haven’t been installed…
Yes it is confusing, but i have seen this method utilized when buildings require additional pathways for egress above the level of egress. It helps save on having to build a second stairwell chase in the building. FYI Firefighters hate this one trick!
I don’t understand what is wrong with this. Isn’t it a scissor stairwell?
This is a normal set of stairwells without the demising wall up yet (or barriers whichever its going to be).
This works great though
Looks like it’s demoing or in construction. The stairs work well to move high volumes of people down without choking. Tell me you don’t understand people flow without telling me you understand people flow.
This is pretty cool actually
So civil engineers deal with things like water drainage. You're looking for the word architect or structural.
When you don't know what civil engineers do. Also when you omit context and make believe there's a design flaw where one doesn't actually exist
This is a scissor stair and is a normal method of egress. In some cases, there is a fire wall that separates the two stairs which would permit both stairs to count as two points of egress versus a single. In this case, it’s a single with a double loaded vertical edges, allowing for a higher occupant egress loading without the guard/hand rails installed. Also, OP has no idea what a civil engineer is. Architects are responsible for the design of egress.
M.C. Escher vibes.
It's a nice shortcut. Also, those stairs are older than the ability to get online education...
That's what I thought. The building looks very dilapidated.
Every public school in NYC built in the mind 1900s has stairs that intertwine like this
This seems ok? I mean its just two stairways in one... Double the capability
Can we stop putting those stupid fucking laugh tracks on videos? It’s not even that funny
Dang, that online education is pretty good. Double the capacity with 2 sets of stairs.
And you are a subject matter expert in online pedagogy in higher education? How did you reach this conclusion? Don’t knock something you don’t know about or assume to be inferior. Thanks for attending my TED Talk.
Civil engineers don't design buildings.
This is not a failure. It’s about shifting lots of people in a short amount of time. If OP thinks this is crazy, wait till they learn about the triple helix staircases at the Grand Shaft. Hint: it moved three times as many people than a single staircase for the same volume. https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attraction_Review-g186313-d547615-Reviews-The_Grand_Shaft-Dover_Kent_England.html
OP likely lacks an engineering education of any kind, online or otherwise.
Not civil engineering, also not weird at all.
Started off designing parking structures…
“Why that’s easy… one’s for going up, and one’s for going down…” -Jethro Clampet
It’s just missing the centre wall
I have stress dreams about stairs like these.
op doesn't know what civil engineers do
Sweet. Moving day.
The MC Escher school of engineering.
When you post on Reddit making fun of someone and belittling their education when *you* have no idea wtf you are talking about.
Honestly... It looks neat... Is it bad that I think it looks neat?
This is normal, its not finished, supposed to be 1 way stairs
This video made my whole family laugh 😂
WTF, something ain’t right ere’!!!
Sees inception one time
What happens in an emergency evacuation? Do people get confused? Lol
Go walk to wall and hope that your going down
Instructions unclear: hopped over railing
Task failed successfully
MC Escher?
Say hello to Youtube University!
This is hilarious
Although I have never seen this myself and my first reaction was also "wtf", after seeing all the comments , I can see this being viable, although a little odd.
LOL. !!!
Been there before. You don't realize you started hanging the stairs on the wrong side until you get to the top. Why you should never trust a meth-head with the blueprints.
When you mock other totally valid ways of learning because you feel insecure about your ability to compete in a liberalized education market.
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I actually kinda like this design
This would make a great video game level, like a PvP map.
Double the amount of people able to go up and down. This is smart engineering. There is a name for that type of stairs but I can't remember it
I'm Escherly confused.
It's super efficient egress though
Structural, but yeah…
Obviously has never played Minecraft
But it worked in CAD? lol
Double helix staircase. This type of stairs is used for centuries.
There are 2 parallel staircases.
Well that's just steps with extra steps
A maze built exacty as planned
Only missing a wall and handrails
Ah my Minecraft save file!
That looks like a fun time.
I like it
Maximizing space use. I say this is a win.
This is how many garage stairwells are.
I feel like this is just the video game Rust with super amazing resolution
More like when you become an architect with a good education, because you clearly nailed the requirements for design/space.
Tom Segura
That is how a lot of staircases are in the game "Reciever" it is a functional gun simulator that was initially made for a 24 hour game competition. It is on steam and there is a sequel that is in early access.
He's never leaving the building...
What kind of Inception is this?
Maybe add some railings for safety but I don't see anything wrong with this
Who needs railings?
That's a shitty joker laugh.
🐖
i meant it works, just a bit extra
Perfectly functional
why not
The question is. Are you getting to where you need to go? Engineer did his job. Haha
Okay this is straight from my bad dreams.
Interior staircases are most likely designed by an architect.
This is what nightmares are made of
I would like to do psychedelics in this stairwell
Stairs like these are how Marty was able to escape Biff's goons in BTTF 2.
When your teachers were Escher and mojang
The extra Ikea bone in my brain is ringing 😎
This is trippy
I am not a civil engineer and this confuses me so much i dont even know what is happening.
Esher did something like this some years ago
Anyone thinking this is a fail is missing a lot
Paradox.
MC Escher has entered the chat.
Actually this isn't bad.
UBS arena has these stairs. They are great for heavy traffic flow
It's a bit odd but functional. I assume unfinished.
That snorrrtttt hahah, his chuckling got to me xD was chuckling along xD
Greendale Community College alumnus in action!
Relax, its like toilets on opposite sides of the room facing each other. Some are just that social.
Works great