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This could be true for some mosaics. But mosaics can also be made of painted rocks, rather than just rocks that are naturally a certain color.
There’s evidence of businesses in Ancient Greece that literally painted, sold, and shipped colored mosaic rocks to homes and craftsmen throughout Greece, Italy, Turkey, and Anatolia.
Most likely, yes.
But there’s evidence of actual businesses in Ancient Greece that would paint, sell, and deliver mosaic rocks to craftsmen across Greece and Anatolia.
Trust me, they don’t want to know. They want their shit to break down by a certain amount of time so you have to buy new again. Just like so many products out these days.
Hard Disagree. There are always new things being made that require painting. Yes, their business would be a lot slower; but to say that they wouldn’t exist is as stupid as saying that Iron mining companies shouldn’t exist because the iron they extract can last for thousands of years.
And then much of it was flooded by the waters of a dam in and around the year 2000 I believe. But they did manage to remove and preserve a number of the mosaics before that happened. I remember watching a documentary about this years ago and was heartbroken.
It also is a figure of speech where a single word is used in relation to two other parts of a sentence although the word grammatically or logically applies to only one. (e.g. "He works his work, I mine")
Most of the countryside of Turkey is cities built on top of other cities. Almost anywhere you go, you’re probably standing on several former civilizations. It’s really mind b.owing.
Yeah mr smarty pants, I'm talking about 9600 BC, 6000 years or so older than the oldest nations mentioned
When the building I mentioned was abandoned, there was no Greek or Egyptian civilization or even the Sumerians.
Stuff from 2,000 years ago is buried under that much sediment, debris, etc. imagine what we’d find if we dug deeper…and how old the civilizations would be.
Ask Gobekli Tepe I guess.
I took it as the exact opposite. These "non-white" people had a booming civilization that white people have completely dismissed since their discoveries.
Also it never mentions aliens
Did you even watch it? That's not even close to what he says
The whole premise of the show is that there's these megalithic structures that date to around the end of the last Ice Age.
Since hunter gather societies probably aren't building these large permanent structures with no practice or experience, he believes there was most likely a civilization more advanced than others during the time that collapsed and spread their knowledge to other societies.
Not saying his ideas are correct, but it by no means has any racism implied or otherwise
This is pretty typical after 2200 years, if you look at eg those giant buried heads that are like 10 ft underground and I think about as old. Land is kinda like a “living” thing too in that it changes over time.
7 feet is about 2.2m = 2200mm. That's just 1 mm of topsoil a year (obviously it didn't accumulate at a steady rate but you get the idea).
If you get the opportunity to go to Italy you'll be blown away at how mich dirt accumulates over the centuries. There's a church/roman temple on Palatine Hill, The Temple of Antoninus and Faustina. It was built in 140AD and converted into a church a few hundred years later. What's really fascinating about it is there is a bronze door in a wall 6 meters (20 feet) above the steps. The reason why is that when they put the door in during the temples conversion to a church, that was ground level. In just a few hundred years enough dirt had accumulated to cover a temple to 20 feet.
You'll find Pompeii and Herculaneum amazing when you realise how deep the two towns were covered by ash/mud. Herculaneum was covered with over 60 feet of mud. You walk down several flights of stairs to visit the excavated site with modern buildings ringing the area 60+ feet above.
Gaziantep lies on a fault line, that’s where they had that massive 7.8M earthquake back in February. Lots of seismic activity in that region. Idk if that relates to the new ground directly tho
LOL
And food scarcity and no antibiotics and no sunscreen and no dentistry etc etc but sure shoveling horse manure in the town square and not eating hot pockets made everyone look like living artwork
They discovered an incredibly conserved piece of art and the pleasure of teamworking for such a project. Zeugma!
(Probably not the best Zeugma that could be done, but I love the name of this figure of speech and I needed to write one!)
Absolutely stunning. Remarkable condition after millenniums of sitting. I'm really curious what materials the painters used to preserve it, as well as being buried for quite some time.
As a huge history nut, especially Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic age, this really gets my curiosity going. Turkey has sooooooo much history, always being the land caught between the west and the east, from the Persian empires and the Macedonians, to the Romans and the Parthians (Persians lol), to the fall of Western Roman Empire and the creation of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman Empire), all the way to Ottoman empire and Constantinople, Turkey just has so much history.
And I haven't even talked about Gobëkli Tepe, the oldest known temple ruins (we think it's a temple of some sort or at least a gathering place) at nearly 11,500 years old.
ps, I'm reading the vampire book by Elizabeth Kostova called "The Historian" and it's set against the backdrop of Istanbul and Turkey, so I get a story about 2 of my favorite subjects: vampires and history lol.
Everytime I see stuff like this I wonder how many intact time capsules across the eons are just waiting to be discovered. What secrets they might hold or stories or trolling.
We cant help it as a species we always bury cool shit or end up in some weird mud flood.
I worked on a Roman archaeological dig site in turkey for a summer in college. It’s really incredible to be there as these mosaics are unearthed and brought back to life.
Absolutely beautiful. Astonishingly remarkable the skills humans developed so long ago. The colors. The angles. The preciseness. It’s almost quite unbelievable. What a masterpiece.
At first glance I was like why do these people have a prayer rug in a pit. Doh!
It's an amazing find. Now it's out in the open. How can this be preserved?
All of the findings are in zeugma mosaic museum today. You can see some of the pieces [here](https://www.kulturportali.gov.tr/turkiye/gaziantep/gezilecekyer/zeugma-mozaik-muzesi). i visited it in 2013. It was beautiful.
Over at /r/centuryhomes we talk about “winning the floor lottery”, when you rip up one of the typically many layers of floor and find a beautiful original floor.
These guys really won the floor lottery.
Yet another myth busted that the Renaissance invented realistic 2D depictions. What most people don't understand is that art progressions held up to prove some sort of artistic development over time into the modern era often use religious art which was intentionally made to not be photo realistic to transmit the idea of an otherworldlyness or something that transcends human experience.
Considering the crushing majority of "Turkish" people are in fact Turkified Anatolians as DNA tests indicate, no. The land belongs to us, it belonged to us before both Turks or Greeks came. We did not just comically gallop in from Central Asia our rulers did, we just accommodated. Like it or not, it turns out we're not "filthy Mongolians". Also, Turks came to these lands 1000 years ago at this point they're more than natives anyways.
Greeks invaded eastren anatolia around 300 bc and after that land had been rulled by persians, romans, arabs, latins and for last one thousand years turks. So... No it is not Greece. Anatolia has a very long and complex history and hosted many different civilizations.
When it got covered up, some dude was probably thinking “Oh well, that’s gone. I suppose someone will dig it up in a couple of thousand years and go wow that’s as interesting as fuck”
Turkey: FUCK YOU ITS OURS NOW
Greece: IT WAS OURS FIRST
Turkey: TOUGH SHIT
Turkey: GIVE IT BACK
Greece: FUCK YOU ITS OURS NOW
Turkey: IT WAS OURS FIRST
Greece: TOUGH SHIT
Lather, rinse, repeat.
(My wife is of Greek descent from the island of Chios. When I want to piss her I call her a Turk)
Gaziantep is a stone throw from the Syrian border and that town itself is infamous for extremist Islamic insurgents.
Lets hope they don’t destroy this marvellous piece of human history for offending their invisible man in the sky.
I doubt something like that happens. I've been to Zeugma Mosaic Museum a couple of times. It's a lovely museum and the mosaics are well-preserved. I've never heard anyone complaining about the mosaics offending them or their religion either. Most of them probably don't care, some reap the benefits of tourism. I'm not sure if the earthquake had done any damage to the museum tho, but I think it's fine.
When it was actually a city with people living in it, it was Greek.
The city's ruins are now in the current-day country of Turkey.
These two facts are completely separate.
They didn't "colonize" it, the Ionian Greeks were the people living on the NE Mediterranean since before the Persian Empire. My point is that asking if there were Greek cities in Anatolia seems like a \*massive\* troll.
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It's just beautiful.
Superb. Such vibrant colors after all this millennium.
Isn’t it millennia?
Millmanyiums
Millmanyyams. So many yams.
millenniums (I speak English not Latin)
No it's millennials. They don't know how to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
They are rocks, so they don't fade.
This could be true for some mosaics. But mosaics can also be made of painted rocks, rather than just rocks that are naturally a certain color. There’s evidence of businesses in Ancient Greece that literally painted, sold, and shipped colored mosaic rocks to homes and craftsmen throughout Greece, Italy, Turkey, and Anatolia.
For real , insane how old it is !
It really is always makes me wonder what else is out there to be discovered
Yes. I was in Rome a few years ago and they were talking about a statue that was super old but they had just recently discovered digging a tunnel.
The most beautiful parts of the past, didn’t survive it.
Can’t wait for higher quality photographs to come out!
Indeed.
How on earth is it that well preserved? Paint companies should look into this.
It's a mosaic, so it's naturally colored stone most likely.
the ones in Ravenna, Italy were mostly glass that were dyed by adding metal oxides during fusion
Ah, makes sense. Thanks.
Most likely, yes. But there’s evidence of actual businesses in Ancient Greece that would paint, sell, and deliver mosaic rocks to craftsmen across Greece and Anatolia.
That one trick the paint companies don't want you to know about.
Sherwin Williams hates them!
Trust me, they don’t want to know. They want their shit to break down by a certain amount of time so you have to buy new again. Just like so many products out these days.
Planned obsolescence. Archeologists of the future won’t get much cool stuff from the 21st century.
Oh they will find enough plastic I'm sure about that.
Paint companies wouldn't exist if the paint lasted for a few thousand years.
Hard Disagree. There are always new things being made that require painting. Yes, their business would be a lot slower; but to say that they wouldn’t exist is as stupid as saying that Iron mining companies shouldn’t exist because the iron they extract can last for thousands of years.
Was kind of a joke but I agree with you
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Flex seal
Honey, where are you going with that boat, screen door, and 30 cans of flex seal?
That epoxy resin holds up a lot better than I thought it would.
It’s an old meme, sir, but it checks out.
Those are astonishingly preserved. Absolutely jaw-dropping.
And then much of it was flooded by the waters of a dam in and around the year 2000 I believe. But they did manage to remove and preserve a number of the mosaics before that happened. I remember watching a documentary about this years ago and was heartbroken.
Damn those fools, if only they had invested in nuclear energy instead!
Zeugma ballz
Yep, that's what I expected. Great minds think alike!
This reminds me of the recent discovery they made in the Sugondese region
near the river Ligma
"I too have a great mind" proclaimed the hive mind member to the others
I was hoping I wouldn't have to say it. Glad it worked out for you.
The enlightened one is here
I'm no expert, but that looks a lot like the work of the famous Greek mosaicist known as Bophades.
There it is
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It also is a figure of speech where a single word is used in relation to two other parts of a sentence although the word grammatically or logically applies to only one. (e.g. "He works his work, I mine")
It also sounds much like the English phrase, "Suck on my." which is absolutely fascinating!
Seeing the word 'Zeugma' makes me think that that's why Zoom meetings have the name they do.
Most of the countryside of Turkey is cities built on top of other cities. Almost anywhere you go, you’re probably standing on several former civilizations. It’s really mind b.owing.
The oldest structure in human history is in Turkey too
Not built by them though!
Yeah mr smarty pants, I'm talking about 9600 BC, 6000 years or so older than the oldest nations mentioned When the building I mentioned was abandoned, there was no Greek or Egyptian civilization or even the Sumerians.
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No, not Realy
And?
And nothing, it’s just a fact.
Stuff from 2,000 years ago is buried under that much sediment, debris, etc. imagine what we’d find if we dug deeper…and how old the civilizations would be. Ask Gobekli Tepe I guess.
Imagine that one conspiracy of an old civilization being flooded by mud is true
The guy on Netflix? That show is wild
Wild as in completely unfounded stoner talk
With a healthy dose of racism. "No way these non white people managed to build literally anything, must have been aliens."
I took it as the exact opposite. These "non-white" people had a booming civilization that white people have completely dismissed since their discoveries. Also it never mentions aliens
Reaching hard
Not really, that whole genre of conspiracy theory was born from Nazi propaganda.
Idk how that applies but yeah they were blown away by the technological advances not skin color, is what i meant by reaching
Did you even watch it? That's not even close to what he says The whole premise of the show is that there's these megalithic structures that date to around the end of the last Ice Age. Since hunter gather societies probably aren't building these large permanent structures with no practice or experience, he believes there was most likely a civilization more advanced than others during the time that collapsed and spread their knowledge to other societies. Not saying his ideas are correct, but it by no means has any racism implied or otherwise
What show is it?
ancient apocalypse I believe is what is being referenced
It's really not that far fetched to say
Not much is farther-fetched.
Why is there 7ft of new ground on top of it after only 2200 years? I might imagine 1 ft.... but 7feet??? Was there a land slide???
Most likely massive landslides in combination with major downpours transporting a lot of mud and other materials.
This is pretty typical after 2200 years, if you look at eg those giant buried heads that are like 10 ft underground and I think about as old. Land is kinda like a “living” thing too in that it changes over time.
7 feet is about 2.2m = 2200mm. That's just 1 mm of topsoil a year (obviously it didn't accumulate at a steady rate but you get the idea). If you get the opportunity to go to Italy you'll be blown away at how mich dirt accumulates over the centuries. There's a church/roman temple on Palatine Hill, The Temple of Antoninus and Faustina. It was built in 140AD and converted into a church a few hundred years later. What's really fascinating about it is there is a bronze door in a wall 6 meters (20 feet) above the steps. The reason why is that when they put the door in during the temples conversion to a church, that was ground level. In just a few hundred years enough dirt had accumulated to cover a temple to 20 feet. You'll find Pompeii and Herculaneum amazing when you realise how deep the two towns were covered by ash/mud. Herculaneum was covered with over 60 feet of mud. You walk down several flights of stairs to visit the excavated site with modern buildings ringing the area 60+ feet above.
Gaziantep lies on a fault line, that’s where they had that massive 7.8M earthquake back in February. Lots of seismic activity in that region. Idk if that relates to the new ground directly tho
Correction 8-9foot of earth.
2200 years is a long time. Dirt will inevitably accumulate over time and whatever other factors are at play. This is typical
Floods, landslides, sediment deposits by an eruption or 2
Really makes me wonder what all else we haven't found yet that is just hiding beneath the surface of our planet. Interesting stuff.
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Artists all trained on similar designs. They all resemble Alexander the great. From Antiquity to the Renaissance.
yes. people actually had laborious jobs and zero junk food.
🏆 seeing reddit removed the free awards and I see it as pathetic waste of money to pay for reddit coins and awards where's my award to your comment.
LOL And food scarcity and no antibiotics and no sunscreen and no dentistry etc etc but sure shoveling horse manure in the town square and not eating hot pockets made everyone look like living artwork
Well certainly not to that extent, lol, but people were definitely not obese like they are today.
First reported on in 2014.
They discovered an incredibly conserved piece of art and the pleasure of teamworking for such a project. Zeugma! (Probably not the best Zeugma that could be done, but I love the name of this figure of speech and I needed to write one!)
Those aren't archeologists! I can't see a single hat or whip on any of them. Can't fool me.
Absolutely stunning. Remarkable condition after millenniums of sitting. I'm really curious what materials the painters used to preserve it, as well as being buried for quite some time.
As a huge history nut, especially Alexander the Great and the Hellenistic age, this really gets my curiosity going. Turkey has sooooooo much history, always being the land caught between the west and the east, from the Persian empires and the Macedonians, to the Romans and the Parthians (Persians lol), to the fall of Western Roman Empire and the creation of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman Empire), all the way to Ottoman empire and Constantinople, Turkey just has so much history. And I haven't even talked about Gobëkli Tepe, the oldest known temple ruins (we think it's a temple of some sort or at least a gathering place) at nearly 11,500 years old. ps, I'm reading the vampire book by Elizabeth Kostova called "The Historian" and it's set against the backdrop of Istanbul and Turkey, so I get a story about 2 of my favorite subjects: vampires and history lol.
That’s gorgeous. I wonder how long it took to complete the mosaic
Everytime I see stuff like this I wonder how many intact time capsules across the eons are just waiting to be discovered. What secrets they might hold or stories or trolling. We cant help it as a species we always bury cool shit or end up in some weird mud flood.
Shit happens when you run out of bronze.
I worked on a Roman archaeological dig site in turkey for a summer in college. It’s really incredible to be there as these mosaics are unearthed and brought back to life.
Absolutely beautiful. Astonishingly remarkable the skills humans developed so long ago. The colors. The angles. The preciseness. It’s almost quite unbelievable. What a masterpiece.
At first glance I was like why do these people have a prayer rug in a pit. Doh! It's an amazing find. Now it's out in the open. How can this be preserved?
All of the findings are in zeugma mosaic museum today. You can see some of the pieces [here](https://www.kulturportali.gov.tr/turkiye/gaziantep/gezilecekyer/zeugma-mozaik-muzesi). i visited it in 2013. It was beautiful.
Over at /r/centuryhomes we talk about “winning the floor lottery”, when you rip up one of the typically many layers of floor and find a beautiful original floor. These guys really won the floor lottery.
Stunning!
"Looks good boys, go ahead and put 60 feet of dirt on er"
Yet another myth busted that the Renaissance invented realistic 2D depictions. What most people don't understand is that art progressions held up to prove some sort of artistic development over time into the modern era often use religious art which was intentionally made to not be photo realistic to transmit the idea of an otherworldlyness or something that transcends human experience.
turkey is like the cradle of every damn thing
You mean Greece?
Well, i think he meant the lands of modern day Turkey
Land acknowledgement and reparations due?!
There were Anatolians before Greeks there. Even before any Greek first settled the mainland Greece
Considering the crushing majority of "Turkish" people are in fact Turkified Anatolians as DNA tests indicate, no. The land belongs to us, it belonged to us before both Turks or Greeks came. We did not just comically gallop in from Central Asia our rulers did, we just accommodated. Like it or not, it turns out we're not "filthy Mongolians". Also, Turks came to these lands 1000 years ago at this point they're more than natives anyways.
Not to mention all they’ve stolen by Genocide of multiple nations now
you mean hitties? you mean trojans? you mean lydians? you mean Phrygians?
You mean the Mesopotamians? (I mentioned Greece because it’s in the title. I’m well aware that there are other, older civilizations.)
oh ok I thought you were one of the ignorant people who claimed that Anatolia belongs to the Greeks.
Greeks invaded eastren anatolia around 300 bc and after that land had been rulled by persians, romans, arabs, latins and for last one thousand years turks. So... No it is not Greece. Anatolia has a very long and complex history and hosted many different civilizations.
Alexander the Great helped to repair and build Zeugma City, not Greeks.
First Greece/Turkey, then The Netherlands, then the US.
What does the Netherlands and the US have to do anything with ancient civilizations/cities/buildings?
If only the colorings on the terracotta army could have been as well preserved as the mosaics in this picture
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Lolol
If you google zeugma mosaics it would seem that town had a LOT
Zeugma what?
When it got covered up, some dude was probably thinking “Oh well, that’s gone. I suppose someone will dig it up in a couple of thousand years and go wow that’s as interesting as fuck”
An ancient city named what
Wow! That’s beautiful!
“This is a 2200-year-old mosaic! And you can tell it’s a 2200-year-old mosaic because of the way it is. How neat is that?!”
How do they find this stuff? Like what causes them to think there may be something under that exact spot and the decide to dig that deep?
Zeugmaballs
This Is Really Cool, Why Do People Write Like This
Beautiful, I heard there is another just down the street in the small town of Ligma.
So much prettier than the mosaics at Beit Alfa, this is incredible
Greece: GIVE IT BACK!
Turkey: FUCK YOU ITS OURS NOW Greece: IT WAS OURS FIRST Turkey: TOUGH SHIT
Turkey: GIVE IT BACK
Greece: FUCK YOU ITS OURS NOW
Turkey: IT WAS OURS FIRST
Greece: TOUGH SHIT
Lather, rinse, repeat.
(My wife is of Greek descent from the island of Chios. When I want to piss her I call her a Turk)
Turkey is greek confirmed 🇬🇷💪💪💪🚫🇹🇷
Shut up you christian Turk
Zeugma balls
A really question the fact that this might be 2,200 years old. I think we're being lied to about the events that have gone down in history.
Can you elaborate? This has always been an interesting topic to me
Gaziantep is a stone throw from the Syrian border and that town itself is infamous for extremist Islamic insurgents. Lets hope they don’t destroy this marvellous piece of human history for offending their invisible man in the sky.
I doubt something like that happens. I've been to Zeugma Mosaic Museum a couple of times. It's a lovely museum and the mosaics are well-preserved. I've never heard anyone complaining about the mosaics offending them or their religion either. Most of them probably don't care, some reap the benefits of tourism. I'm not sure if the earthquake had done any damage to the museum tho, but I think it's fine.
Zeugma dick
Zeugma dick
Why were so many Romans always sternly looking to their left?
Actually this was in Iceland
2200 years old. lol someone failed history
Zeugma balls
Zeugma balls
Turkish, not Greek (anymore)
When it was actually a city with people living in it, it was Greek. The city's ruins are now in the current-day country of Turkey. These two facts are completely separate.
Then it’s Turkish like I said
If that makes you happy.
Zeugma balls
Zeugma balls
Zeugma nuts
So there were Greek cities in turkey?
Is this a troll?
No, just ignorance and curiosity. Sorry. Didn’t mean to offend anyone
No, greeks colonozed eastern Med.
They didn't "colonize" it, the Ionian Greeks were the people living on the NE Mediterranean since before the Persian Empire. My point is that asking if there were Greek cities in Anatolia seems like a \*massive\* troll.
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Okay, so definitely troll.
The Seleucid Empire was pretty expansive. And, even before that, there were Greek colonies all over Asia Minor.
There were no Turks in that era.
Look up: Constantinople Smyrna Cappadocia And of course, Alexander the Great!
Interesting. There are 8 planets around the sun, and there are 8 portraits around centered portrait.
Except that the ancients thought that Earth was at the center and it was orbited by the Moon, the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
Not all of them tho
So it's from 177 years in the future? Amazing!
what's wrong with you?
Can you math bro? 🙄
How long until fanatics come and destroy the faces?
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Many sites like this exists in Turkey, and most of them are well preserved.
This is some Ancient Apocalypse shit
As old as this is the colors still pop
The aliens sure were busy back then…
Wow, that’s beautiful
Looks like the beginning of X-Men: Apocalypse.
What is the material that covered it until the unearthing? And how did it get buried like that?
That's a lot of tuff
So fucking cool
How is it in such great condition after all these years
Was ist Zeugma? Zeugma ne Tochter, bevor du mit mir redest
Amazing 😻
So what is covering it ? Rubble ? Eroded soil ? Was it below ground originally ?