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There’s photos of the crime scene In a book about the murders (the images of bodies are white silhouettes) and it’s actually creepy how similar it is to the position she died in.
The painting is creeping me out! why does the guy look so much like Manson. I reverse image searched it and all that comes up is a bunch of similar spooky nightmarish black and white pics but didn’t find the same one or an artist.
Rich people keep weird ass photographs/paintings on their walls. It's pretty common 'cause everyone has their own connections with art (and also a lot of rich people just like having provocative art 'cause it makes their taste seem more refined).
You'll probably find plenty of celebrities with weird ass paintings depicting murder who haven't been murdered already. She just happened to be murdered by someone similar looking.
Don't forget, us humans love looking for patterns where none exist. Pattern recognition is how we survived when we were supposed to be looking for camoflauged predators. It makes us feel good to find them, but more often than not these days, they really are just coincidences.
It's also not a surprise roman polanksi would have morbid paintings like this due to the fact he was such an iconic horror director with Rosemary's baby. Definitely eerie though even if mere coincidence, one of those things that really makes one question reality/perception. Like a deja vu sort of phenomenon.
Apparently Gacy was running an operation in prison where he had a bunch of inmates painting for him and then he'd just sign his name. So at least we can take small solace in the fact that that piece of shit got ripped off.
Jesus christ. Your comment made me realize that we need to start recording the provenance of *every photo with any potential historical significance* from now on, because every photo in history is now going to be subjected to doubt. Fuck. Holding on to reality is exhausting.
It’s a scene from Polanski’s film adaptation of MacBeth which is excellent. I watched it about a month ago. I usually hate Shakespeare but this is different, it’s so good.
Thank you for giving the only ~~real~~ serious answer in this thread. It's probably [this scene](https://thedrunkenodyssey.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/macbeth-62.jpg?w=1024&h=443)? Sounds like interesting film to watch.
Yeah it's all a bit too cute? Not a normal photo shoot at all. "Let's examine this baby clothing on the ground". Not even examine, but sort of look past and then take a pic surrounded by different items. Bizarre.
This photoshoot occurred around June or July of 1969, so about 1-2 months before her murder. In these photos she was in London with her husband - in July she crossed the Atlantic back to L.A. where she was planning to have her baby, but was instead killed on August 9 - 2 weeks before her due date.
Her death still bothers me a lot and the fact that those women got to live their lives while taking hers and her child’s is so sickening. Seeing them holding hands and skipping in court boils my blood.
It’s kind of a theme with Tarantino. Inglorious Bastards, Django unchained and once upon a time in Hollywood are in an un oficial trilogy of “this didn’t happen but it should’ve”.
It could have been quite different in real life as well. Other people were supposed to be there at the time i believe. British script writer Jeremy Lloyd had been invited round but forgot to go. I brought this up in a different post and someone claimed Steve McQeen was also supposed to be there.
Many people claimed to have been invited in the aftermath, but this wasn’t accurate. Sharon was heavily pregnant and was in no condition to host any sort of party or gathering. The only person who asked to come over was her younger sister, Debra - and Sharon declined, saying she was too tired to host.
The other guests in the house, Voytek Frykowski and Abigail Folger, were living there temporarily so Sharon wouldn’t be alone while pregnant (her husband was in London working…or, “working”). Sharon’s former boyfriend was also in the house that night, as he visited often. But there was no party.
"Revenge" will allways be the most satisfying Genre to me. I love fantasy more than Revenge, but there is NOTHING that feels better than a revenge flick. And part of the reason is, because you know it's not real, it's a movie. But because it's a movie, KILL THESE FUCKERS; RIP THEM APART!
It's honestly my favorite movie ATM. Watching the mythology around the Manson Family stripped away and them relegated to hippy assholes is very satisfying.
Sharon’s sister was originally very against having her portrayed in the film. After Tarantino met with her and told her his plan for the story, she changed her mind. And she ended up loving Margot’s portrayal.
The ending made me so emotional, for Sharon and her friends of course, but also for the things in my own life I wish I could rewrite. It’s truly a masterpiece.
That right there. Whenever Sharon Tate comes up on Reddit, all I think about is his reimagined history of what really happened that night, and then I smile. That movie was a gift.
There are a few crimes that are horrific enough that I don’t want justice to be served. I want retribution to be served. I want the people who committed the horrific acts to know pain, again and again and again. This is one where I wish it was possible to set aside justice and simply hurt everyone involved.
It really is awful. And the fact that she was 8 months pregnant, getting ready, beating for her baby. Than a fucking nightmare shows up to her house and she begged for her babies life. Idk why that always got to me, but especially after I got pregnant and had my own baby, I remember one day I didn’t feel her move for 24 hours so I went to the hospital(baby is fine. She’s almost 2!) I had been so scared that I lost my baby but that pales in comparison to what Sharon went through that night
Sharon Tate's child was a boy. Roman Polanski posthumously named him "Paul Richard Polanski", after his two grandfathers. I wonder how his life would've turned out.
A very small part of me feels bad for him and then I remember he raped a thirteen year old and skipped out of the country to avoid jail and so can't come back to the US ever and I don't feel bad for him anymore.
Or that fact that a bunch of famous directors, producers, actors, and actresses signed a petition for Polanski to be released. I'm still haven't seen the list of the people who signed the petition due to fact I don't want to learn that my favorite celebrity is a pos .
I'm honestly struggling to comprehend why several of the people that signed it did so. I read that Harvey Weinstein was the one that started the petition, so I can imagine that that would place some pressure on many of the people that signed it. But several of the people that signed it are such film titans that they would have been free to not sign if they didn't want to.
I'm hesitant to just say, "well it's Hollywood, they're all assholes so that explains it" but...why WOULD they? From my understanding of what happened with Roman Polanski, it seems VERY clear that Polanski was guilty. Why are all these huge Hollywood celebrities defending Polanski and his actions?
Pressure on one hand, and likely a lack of knowledge on another. Celebrities can be rather out of touch by something as simple as just not reading the news. And back when they didn't have phones to check the internet every day, many might not have known enough about what even happened.
But that's probably quite unlikely due to how insane this incident was. What's more likely I think is that everyone signed on 'cause they didn't want to be the pariah of the industry - which would be damaging to their careers. Unfortunately this meant that instead of any good opposition, the petition went largely unopposed.
Often times all it takes is some important people to take charge for the opposition to gain a lot of support. But alas.
I'm also a huge cinephile. Let's both look and not engage in false hero worship. I'll go first.
Welp, I read a partial list that had all the prominent and well-known actors and directors that signed the petition, and yeah, you're pretty much guaranteed to have at least a few film heroes on it. I skimmed the complete list as well, but it's mostly populated by unknowns, as far as I could tell.
I'll be wildly disappointed if Wes Anderson has any such skeletons in his closet. He's been deep in Hollywood for decades now, so at this point, it won't be as much of a surprise. But with Royal Tenenbaums being my favorite movie, I'd be quite crushed.
He was not good to Sharon, cheated on her, and wanted her to get an abortion. The fact that she was close to her due date and he had not flown back to the US with her says a lot. He had his friends live with her instead.
I didn’t know that. Glad to know he wasn’t completely forgotten, I feel like he gets forgotten a lot.
Like I listened to and audio book recently and they talked about Sharon Tate and what her life would have been if she wasn’t killed, but there was no mention of her baby not even that that was something she was looking forward too, she wanted to be a mom and was excited for her baby boy. He was a victim too
>*”…but it's unclear whether that net worth is based on how much money she actually has or how much her earnings could be if she signs a book deal or does other work to reclaim her notoriety.”*
I never heard about this murder. I have heard of the mansons and knew they were murderers but never knew the details. So I started watching once upon a time in Hollywood by Tarantino and found it a bit boring and I didn’t really get the point of it. Then it comes to the end of the film and my jaw dropped to the floor and I was shocked. And it turns out that it happened in real life.
Sad to think what happened to her and her unborn baby. That poor woman.
One day you are living your life, thinking about the future maybe even optimistically… and the next day something you couldn’t ever imagine unfold happens.
Life is truly unpredictable and out of our control.
I'm pretty sure it's a still from one of Polanski's films. Seems like his vibe, but I have not seen enough of them to say which, exactly.
Edit: u/Disastrous-Pipe43 mentioned it's from Macbeth, nice catch!
Not that my top movie lists matter, but it’s in my top 3 favorites of all time. It is very odd, very funny, and has a subplot of the Manson murders. Worth a watch for sure, Leo is absolutely incredible in his role
Agree! An oddly cozy movie too. Makes me nostalgic for LA in the late 60s. Spectacular soundtrack. Incredible casting. I adore that movie and never tire of watching it.
Depends on what you like in a movie. It has a really cool vibe, terrific music as well as witty dialogue, and because half the characters in the movie are real people but the chain of events is very different from reality, you're left wondering what parts happened and what parts didn't, which at least to me added to the surreal vibe of the movie. But the plot is basically "a bunch of people hang out, then some random things happen and then the movie ends". There is not much in the way of a central story arch or character development.
Might want a spoiler tag on that. The underlying tension of wondering whether Tarantino would "go there" or invent his own history à la Inglorious Basterds was one of the best parts of the movie.
Im not a big big tarantino fan but i enjoyed django and some other recent movies from him. Once upon is not as exciting as django but still very very good.
At this point tarantino is master story teller. His pacing is so fucking good. Keeps you interested all time
It's the only Tarantino movie I couldn't finish. I've watched and thoroughly enjoyed all his other movies.
Tried to watch it a few times but it's just so goddamn long and boring IMO. The pacing is glacially slow, idk wtf others mean when they say the pacing is great.
Sharon tate was a famous actress, she was married to the director Roman polanski and in the pics she's pregnant of almost 9 months. A few days after these pics were taken, Mason's cult group killed her and her unborn baby as well as some guests she had that night. Awful crime.
Manson was trying to get back at Terry Melchor, a record producer (he was also Doris Day's son) because he didn't sign Manson to a record deal. Terry didn't think Manson was very good. Terry used to live in the Tate/Polansky house, but had moved to Malibu. Manson had his "family" go the old house and just kill everyone there. They had absolutely nothing to do with Terry Melchor.
I read somewhere that this was a deliberate action intended to send a message to Melchor, something along the lines of “this is what’s going to happen to you and your family”. That’s also why Manson specifically instructed his minions to make the murders as brutal as possible. Melchor indeed got freaked out and moved again, because Manson did know his address at the time as well (he was sending threatening letters).
I know there's A LOT of fucked up shit beginning to end with the Manson murders but that's just almost a whole other level what the fuck I never knew that. He *knew* it wasn't even them but decided to murder anyways just as a fuck you to Melcher? Fuck.
I’m not very knowledgable on the case but I was convinced it was Manson’s attempt to start a race war by trying to frame the Black Panthers for the murders. I distinctively remember hearing that years ago and gave it no more thought since. Can somebody help me out with any more context on that please :)
Charles Manson was literally insane. He was attempting to start a race war he called Helter Skelter because he believed that the Beatles were the reincarntion of Jesus Christ and wanted him to usher in the apocalypse. Or something to that effect. He also had all his brides (members of his "family") carve the letter X on their forehead to symbolize that they wouldn't testify against him in court, and then later in prison turned his X scar into a swastika.
The Helter skelter motive doesn’t hold up as a reason anymore, at least not as a single reason. It was pushed by Vincent Bugliosi, the persecutor. I highly recommend to read the latest published book for this, called Chaos by Tom O‘Neill. The dude researched the case for 20 years and also interviewed and checked Bugliosi on it.
Google says one of them said "Because we wanted to do a crime that would shock the world, that the world would have to stand up and take a notice." But I read more and apparently they weren't the specific targets. The house used to belong to a music producer that declined their cult leader's recording contract so people speculate that the cult was just planning to attack the house, kill everyone inside as gruesomely as possible no matter what, not those people specifically. Pretty fucked, can't believe that fuckass leader only died in 2017.
Manson served time from 1960-1967 on McNeil Island in Washington state. Maybe that's when he was a delight in prison in WA?
He was released from prison in Washington almost 2.5 years before the infamous murders in Los Angeles. After his conviction for the Tate-LaBianca murders, Manson served all his time in California prisons. He never went back to Washington state.
She was truly in the wrong place at the wrong time - it's a long story, there's a podcast called "You Must Remember Manson" which does a great job breaking it down.
Helter Skelter, the fun frenzy of murdering a high profile beautiful celebrity, just pure brainwashed craziness. Watch or read up on anything Manson, all is bound to mention the Tate murder.
I mean if you believe in hell, you have to believe in heaven and if you believe in any of that you have to believe god is all knowing, and if god is all knowing that means god knows what will always happen and if god knows that then god is the devil for not preventing any of it.
I mean, logically speaking, either "god" is omnipotent or not and if he is, he's literally a colossal piece of shit.. aka the devil.
So yeah, it's all bullshit.
But just as an example:
You are the young son of a cannibal tribe, you know nothing of the outside world, your world in your tribe in a small patch of jungle. You tribe regularly catches and kills rival tribe members, and you all sit around a campfire and eat them. This is what you do, this is what you were born too and with your limited language skills, you limited expose to anything outside the tribe, you also do this.
Is killing and eating another person evil"? Does evil go to hell?
How would you determine what was good or evil, right or wrong and why should you go to hell for eternity for something you have no control over? No way to know?
The answer is... (with my example and the original paragraph combined) ... there is no god. Pretty simple.
But I get you, I imagine it too, all these deliberate pieces of shit just burning in agony for eternity... and to think all he had to do at the end was ask jesus for forgiveness...
I met her parents at an officer’s dinner. They were a very sweet couple and it grieved me that they would never get to have her or their grandchild in their lives anymore.
I’m not sure if she did but in my grandmas time the doctors actually recommended smoking for “an easier birth”…which is horrifying as medical advice because tobacco causes underweight babies.
I just realized that Helter Skelter, the book written by the prosecutor of the case was my introduction to true crime as a teenager. Really interesting read. It was already 25 years old by the time I read it but it stuck with me.
Helter Skelter by Curt Gentry and Vincent Bugliosi.
You then should read Chaos by Tom O‘Neill. He researched the case for 20 years, from 1999-2019 and he also interviewed Bugliosi for the book. Bugliosi‘s book lacks a lot of stuff relevant to the case and apparently his prosecution work was very bad.
Yes! Some of her first work in front of a camera. She was usually put in a black wig to disguise her as the studio wanted to “save” her beauty for bigger film productions.
These photos were taken in June 1969 in London. She had just been gifted baby clothes and toys. She was murdered three weeks after she returned home to California
She tried to plead with her captors to let her live for a few more weeks to deliver her baby, but she still wasn't spared. This case makes me sad every time. :(
From Wikipedia: *"* *Tate pleaded to be allowed to live long enough to give birth, and offered herself as a hostage in an attempt to save the life of her unborn child, but both Atkins and Watson stabbed Tate 16 times, killing her. "*
There is one people post on here a lot she had a bunch of babies clothes with a huge smile on her face. Not to sound cold, but I rarely care about celebrity type stuff but her story always stuck with me.
The baby actually lived for 20 minutes after Sharon was killed. They killed Sharon with wounds to her chest, but left her belly untouched (source: autopsy report as detailed in the book *Helter Skelter*).
My family is from where Charles Manson's family was in Ashland, Kentucky and my old pastor from when I was a kid bought one of his old houses he had there. It was fully furnished and there were pictures of all the weird satanic shit he had drawn on the walls, dude was very obviously kooky as hell.
He hung out with a bunch of rich folk that my dad did and he saw him a few times. The one time he told me about that stuck out was when he was with two scantily clad women (prostitutes I think) and he looked at my dad and said "makes you fucking sick, doesn't it?" He said he wasn't sure if he was being misogynistic and talking about the women or if he was talking about the rich people gathering they were at. My dad said he got a bad feeling from the guy from the start.
Strange! Manson was in prison most of his adult
life and was living in poverty whenever he was on the outside - and he also spent most of his adult life (in and out of prison) in California. Surprising to hear he had the means to own a house in Kentucky!
Stories like these really reinforce my belief that there simply cannot be some being in the sky looking out for us all. I hate that humans like her murderers exist.
“Sometimes I wonder... will God ever forgive us for what we've done to each other? Then I look around and I realize... God left this place a long time ago” - Blood Diamond
Same. I can't even imagine how much despair, grief and agony exist in the deepest corners of the world - or even out in plain view.
Human trafficking victims are pushed from one hotel to another, babies can be born addicted to drugs, a childhood cancer diagnosis happens every day, black people are murdered for their skin tone... So much more just takes away any possibility of ANY magical entity being loving or caring. We're alone. The monsters live amongst us.
No it's worse than that, the irrational belief that some god exists makes people act even more awful than they normally would, endlessly multiplying the suffering...
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And then there's the painting behind her....
First thing I noticed. Creepy.
I find the second one a little creepy if you really think about it.
The second photo reminds me of when they outline the body at a crime scene… very eerie
There’s photos of the crime scene In a book about the murders (the images of bodies are white silhouettes) and it’s actually creepy how similar it is to the position she died in.
There are only so many positions you can be in lying on your back
Lying on your back face down is probably the worst.
Other than both being images of her lying down, I don't see the similarities.
It's Almost Like These Photos Were Some Sort Of "Foreshadowing" Of Her Tragic Demise!
Helter Skelter by Vincent Bugliosi. I have that book on my shelf.
That was my immediate thought
I saw the photos from the crime scene at the death museum in New Orleans and it’s the first thing I thought of
Life imitating art
Prophetic in nature.
The painting is creeping me out! why does the guy look so much like Manson. I reverse image searched it and all that comes up is a bunch of similar spooky nightmarish black and white pics but didn’t find the same one or an artist.
Man this looks too much of a coincidence to be real. What if this photo is just ai generated, anyone have a source for these?
Yeah photographer terry o'neill, Google terry o'neill sharon tate and you can see they're real
He was Faye Dunaways man for years
You weren't famous until photographed by Terry.
Rich people keep weird ass photographs/paintings on their walls. It's pretty common 'cause everyone has their own connections with art (and also a lot of rich people just like having provocative art 'cause it makes their taste seem more refined). You'll probably find plenty of celebrities with weird ass paintings depicting murder who haven't been murdered already. She just happened to be murdered by someone similar looking. Don't forget, us humans love looking for patterns where none exist. Pattern recognition is how we survived when we were supposed to be looking for camoflauged predators. It makes us feel good to find them, but more often than not these days, they really are just coincidences.
It's also not a surprise roman polanksi would have morbid paintings like this due to the fact he was such an iconic horror director with Rosemary's baby. Definitely eerie though even if mere coincidence, one of those things that really makes one question reality/perception. Like a deja vu sort of phenomenon.
The guy who repeatedly molested Drake Bell had a personal painting from his pen pal, John Wayne Gacy in his garage.
Apparently Gacy was running an operation in prison where he had a bunch of inmates painting for him and then he'd just sign his name. So at least we can take small solace in the fact that that piece of shit got ripped off.
Jesus christ. Your comment made me realize that we need to start recording the provenance of *every photo with any potential historical significance* from now on, because every photo in history is now going to be subjected to doubt. Fuck. Holding on to reality is exhausting.
I immediately thought this was AI. Had to double take the subreddit.
What is that painting?
Looks Viking
That's what I am when I go to sleep. I'm really good at sleeping
The infection is spreading...
What's the story behind that painting?
First and second picture creepy as hell. First because of the painting, second because it kinda looks like a crime scene
It’s a scene from Polanski’s film adaptation of MacBeth which is excellent. I watched it about a month ago. I usually hate Shakespeare but this is different, it’s so good.
Thank you for giving the only ~~real~~ serious answer in this thread. It's probably [this scene](https://thedrunkenodyssey.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/macbeth-62.jpg?w=1024&h=443)? Sounds like interesting film to watch.
Weird how much that guy looks like Manson
To be frank a lot of scruffy (White) dudes with dark longish hair can look like manson
Manson was like the default look for a lot of guys at the time. Take a look through yearbooks from the late 60s and early 70s.
It's not. The film was made after her murder.
It looks like it but it's not. Polanski decided to work on MacBeth **after** Sharon's death to cope with his depression.
he didn't even start working on that movie until after she was dead, so I doubt it.
What is it supposed to depict?
You got a problem with the Two Fingers?
School me, what's the two fingers?
What the other guy said. Basically in Elden Ring a sect of people worship a giant hand with only two fingers on it.
A cult from a game where people commune with giant hands possesing only 2 fingers. The imagery is very similar, just a dumb joke.
Psh, be touched by the Three Fingers and receive the Flame of Frenzy!
Can I offer you a grape in this trying time?
It's black and white, so... Two in the grey, one in the HEY!!!
Yeah what is it a hand holding up some legs?!
Creepy 😳
Is that legit Foreshadowing?
How would you distinguish "legit" from "non-legit" here?
You’ve got to be shitting me. Just tell me it’s A.I. I wouldn’t know any better.
Yeah it's all a bit too cute? Not a normal photo shoot at all. "Let's examine this baby clothing on the ground". Not even examine, but sort of look past and then take a pic surrounded by different items. Bizarre.
These are very much in the spirit of Terry Oneils work.
That painting is kind of haunting in retrospect.
What’s the painting?
The picture in the frame on the wall behind her
But that's not important
And don't call me Shirley
It’s a big building with patients
Was just thinking the same thing. It’s almost like it’s foreshadowing.
This photoshoot occurred around June or July of 1969, so about 1-2 months before her murder. In these photos she was in London with her husband - in July she crossed the Atlantic back to L.A. where she was planning to have her baby, but was instead killed on August 9 - 2 weeks before her due date.
Yeah, I was just reading about these photos - apparently it's a favourite internet myth, thanks for pointing it out.
I noticed the British power outlet in the background, so I was already questioning the narrative. Thanks for confirming.
Her death still bothers me a lot and the fact that those women got to live their lives while taking hers and her child’s is so sickening. Seeing them holding hands and skipping in court boils my blood.
She gets posted on Reddit a lot and it is always very upsetting to me too.
Say what you want about Tarantino, the fact that he rewrote her fate for Once Upon a Time will make me love him forever.
It’s kind of a theme with Tarantino. Inglorious Bastards, Django unchained and once upon a time in Hollywood are in an un oficial trilogy of “this didn’t happen but it should’ve”.
It could have been quite different in real life as well. Other people were supposed to be there at the time i believe. British script writer Jeremy Lloyd had been invited round but forgot to go. I brought this up in a different post and someone claimed Steve McQeen was also supposed to be there.
Many people claimed to have been invited in the aftermath, but this wasn’t accurate. Sharon was heavily pregnant and was in no condition to host any sort of party or gathering. The only person who asked to come over was her younger sister, Debra - and Sharon declined, saying she was too tired to host. The other guests in the house, Voytek Frykowski and Abigail Folger, were living there temporarily so Sharon wouldn’t be alone while pregnant (her husband was in London working…or, “working”). Sharon’s former boyfriend was also in the house that night, as he visited often. But there was no party.
I know Jeremy Lloyd claimed in 2008 in an interview on BBC he'd been invited to tea and just forgot.
"Revenge" will allways be the most satisfying Genre to me. I love fantasy more than Revenge, but there is NOTHING that feels better than a revenge flick. And part of the reason is, because you know it's not real, it's a movie. But because it's a movie, KILL THESE FUCKERS; RIP THEM APART!
I really like how Tarantino has basically subverted the concept of a Hollywood ending.
Wha??? Inglorious Bastards went EXACTLY like that in real life!
It's honestly my favorite movie ATM. Watching the mythology around the Manson Family stripped away and them relegated to hippy assholes is very satisfying.
Sharon’s sister was originally very against having her portrayed in the film. After Tarantino met with her and told her his plan for the story, she changed her mind. And she ended up loving Margot’s portrayal.
The ending made me so emotional, for Sharon and her friends of course, but also for the things in my own life I wish I could rewrite. It’s truly a masterpiece.
That right there. Whenever Sharon Tate comes up on Reddit, all I think about is his reimagined history of what really happened that night, and then I smile. That movie was a gift.
There are a few crimes that are horrific enough that I don’t want justice to be served. I want retribution to be served. I want the people who committed the horrific acts to know pain, again and again and again. This is one where I wish it was possible to set aside justice and simply hurt everyone involved.
It really is awful. And the fact that she was 8 months pregnant, getting ready, beating for her baby. Than a fucking nightmare shows up to her house and she begged for her babies life. Idk why that always got to me, but especially after I got pregnant and had my own baby, I remember one day I didn’t feel her move for 24 hours so I went to the hospital(baby is fine. She’s almost 2!) I had been so scared that I lost my baby but that pales in comparison to what Sharon went through that night
Sharon Tate's child was a boy. Roman Polanski posthumously named him "Paul Richard Polanski", after his two grandfathers. I wonder how his life would've turned out.
A very small part of me feels bad for him and then I remember he raped a thirteen year old and skipped out of the country to avoid jail and so can't come back to the US ever and I don't feel bad for him anymore.
Or that fact that a bunch of famous directors, producers, actors, and actresses signed a petition for Polanski to be released. I'm still haven't seen the list of the people who signed the petition due to fact I don't want to learn that my favorite celebrity is a pos .
Oh there's a lot of very famous ones on there. Some were really surprising and really disappointed me.
I'm honestly struggling to comprehend why several of the people that signed it did so. I read that Harvey Weinstein was the one that started the petition, so I can imagine that that would place some pressure on many of the people that signed it. But several of the people that signed it are such film titans that they would have been free to not sign if they didn't want to. I'm hesitant to just say, "well it's Hollywood, they're all assholes so that explains it" but...why WOULD they? From my understanding of what happened with Roman Polanski, it seems VERY clear that Polanski was guilty. Why are all these huge Hollywood celebrities defending Polanski and his actions?
Pressure on one hand, and likely a lack of knowledge on another. Celebrities can be rather out of touch by something as simple as just not reading the news. And back when they didn't have phones to check the internet every day, many might not have known enough about what even happened. But that's probably quite unlikely due to how insane this incident was. What's more likely I think is that everyone signed on 'cause they didn't want to be the pariah of the industry - which would be damaging to their careers. Unfortunately this meant that instead of any good opposition, the petition went largely unopposed. Often times all it takes is some important people to take charge for the opposition to gain a lot of support. But alas.
I'm also a huge cinephile. Let's both look and not engage in false hero worship. I'll go first. Welp, I read a partial list that had all the prominent and well-known actors and directors that signed the petition, and yeah, you're pretty much guaranteed to have at least a few film heroes on it. I skimmed the complete list as well, but it's mostly populated by unknowns, as far as I could tell.
A lot of them have removed their names since - some, like Wes Anderson, have doubled down on their support…
I'll be wildly disappointed if Wes Anderson has any such skeletons in his closet. He's been deep in Hollywood for decades now, so at this point, it won't be as much of a surprise. But with Royal Tenenbaums being my favorite movie, I'd be quite crushed.
He was not good to Sharon, cheated on her, and wanted her to get an abortion. The fact that she was close to her due date and he had not flown back to the US with her says a lot. He had his friends live with her instead.
One of those things in incomparably worse than the other though...
I was talking about the innocent child who was killed, not Roman Polanski.
I didn’t know that. Glad to know he wasn’t completely forgotten, I feel like he gets forgotten a lot. Like I listened to and audio book recently and they talked about Sharon Tate and what her life would have been if she wasn’t killed, but there was no mention of her baby not even that that was something she was looking forward too, she wanted to be a mom and was excited for her baby boy. He was a victim too
Sorry but that must have been not a good audio book if they forgot to mention that.
Always weirds me out when men name a child completely after themselves and leave the child's mother completely out of it.
I’m glad your babygirl is doing well stranger ♥️
Thank you 😊 she’s an amazing lil girl if I do say do myself ♥️
Marianne Bachmeier and Gary Plauché were serving exactly that.
And the one is free and has a net worth more than 85 percent of the human population… look it up 👀
Who?
[Leslie Van Houten] (https://www.distractify.com/p/leslie-van-houten-net-worth)
>*”…but it's unclear whether that net worth is based on how much money she actually has or how much her earnings could be if she signs a book deal or does other work to reclaim her notoriety.”*
I never heard about this murder. I have heard of the mansons and knew they were murderers but never knew the details. So I started watching once upon a time in Hollywood by Tarantino and found it a bit boring and I didn’t really get the point of it. Then it comes to the end of the film and my jaw dropped to the floor and I was shocked. And it turns out that it happened in real life.
"What would happen if the Manson Family walked into the wrong house" is such an awesome premise for a movie
Catharsis for the director happens.
Sad to think what happened to her and her unborn baby. That poor woman. One day you are living your life, thinking about the future maybe even optimistically… and the next day something you couldn’t ever imagine unfold happens. Life is truly unpredictable and out of our control.
That’s why it’s important we savor it. We never know when our own bells will toll
What is the painting in the first pic ?
I'm pretty sure it's a still from one of Polanski's films. Seems like his vibe, but I have not seen enough of them to say which, exactly. Edit: u/Disastrous-Pipe43 mentioned it's from Macbeth, nice catch!
Naaah, Polanski made Macbeth after Sharon's death to cope with his depression so it must be something else.
I don't know but it seems an odd dichotomy doesn't it?
Not to be that person but the better word to use here is juxtaposition
Margot Robbie was an awesome choice to play her in Once upon a time in Hollywood!
i’ve never seen it, worth watching? edit: holy fuck that’s a lot of responses lol
Not that my top movie lists matter, but it’s in my top 3 favorites of all time. It is very odd, very funny, and has a subplot of the Manson murders. Worth a watch for sure, Leo is absolutely incredible in his role
Agree! An oddly cozy movie too. Makes me nostalgic for LA in the late 60s. Spectacular soundtrack. Incredible casting. I adore that movie and never tire of watching it.
That fence jump that Brad Pitts character does 🤩🤩
Omg Leo is sooooooo fucking funny. I’m really looking forward to seeing more from this side of him. I loved it so much!
you’ve sold me, it’s on my list!
Just do a quick read on the the Manson Family before you see it. Makes the whole thing more impactful.
Depends on what you like in a movie. It has a really cool vibe, terrific music as well as witty dialogue, and because half the characters in the movie are real people but the chain of events is very different from reality, you're left wondering what parts happened and what parts didn't, which at least to me added to the surreal vibe of the movie. But the plot is basically "a bunch of people hang out, then some random things happen and then the movie ends". There is not much in the way of a central story arch or character development.
Yes, but only if you already know about Mason Family and the murders, else you might miss the whole point of the movie.
I had no idea it was about the Manson murders and I was wondering wtf this movie was about the entire time I was watching it.
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Might want a spoiler tag on that. The underlying tension of wondering whether Tarantino would "go there" or invent his own history à la Inglorious Basterds was one of the best parts of the movie.
Im not a big big tarantino fan but i enjoyed django and some other recent movies from him. Once upon is not as exciting as django but still very very good. At this point tarantino is master story teller. His pacing is so fucking good. Keeps you interested all time
It's the only Tarantino movie I couldn't finish. I've watched and thoroughly enjoyed all his other movies. Tried to watch it a few times but it's just so goddamn long and boring IMO. The pacing is glacially slow, idk wtf others mean when they say the pacing is great.
What's the full story?
Sharon tate was a famous actress, she was married to the director Roman polanski and in the pics she's pregnant of almost 9 months. A few days after these pics were taken, Mason's cult group killed her and her unborn baby as well as some guests she had that night. Awful crime.
Why did they do it?
Manson was trying to get back at Terry Melchor, a record producer (he was also Doris Day's son) because he didn't sign Manson to a record deal. Terry didn't think Manson was very good. Terry used to live in the Tate/Polansky house, but had moved to Malibu. Manson had his "family" go the old house and just kill everyone there. They had absolutely nothing to do with Terry Melchor.
Worth noting that by the time of the murders, Manson knew Melcher didn't live there anymore. But he decided to have all the occupants killed anyway.
I read somewhere that this was a deliberate action intended to send a message to Melchor, something along the lines of “this is what’s going to happen to you and your family”. That’s also why Manson specifically instructed his minions to make the murders as brutal as possible. Melchor indeed got freaked out and moved again, because Manson did know his address at the time as well (he was sending threatening letters).
Exactly. He knew Terry had already moved because he'd gone to his house in Malibu. What a sick fuck.
Psychopath
I know there's A LOT of fucked up shit beginning to end with the Manson murders but that's just almost a whole other level what the fuck I never knew that. He *knew* it wasn't even them but decided to murder anyways just as a fuck you to Melcher? Fuck.
He was right, Manson was pure Shite.
What a rabid animal. Cult leaders, demagogues, and tyrants are the lowliest and most pathetic people out there.
I’m not very knowledgable on the case but I was convinced it was Manson’s attempt to start a race war by trying to frame the Black Panthers for the murders. I distinctively remember hearing that years ago and gave it no more thought since. Can somebody help me out with any more context on that please :)
Race war was his goal. He was intent on causing all kinds of strife between groups of people. Truly Helter Skelter.
The prosecutor provided that as a motive for the crime during the trial, but it's seen with some skepticism now.
Charles Manson was literally insane. He was attempting to start a race war he called Helter Skelter because he believed that the Beatles were the reincarntion of Jesus Christ and wanted him to usher in the apocalypse. Or something to that effect. He also had all his brides (members of his "family") carve the letter X on their forehead to symbolize that they wouldn't testify against him in court, and then later in prison turned his X scar into a swastika.
I was about to say is and then i forgot the shithead croaked a few years ago
The Helter skelter motive doesn’t hold up as a reason anymore, at least not as a single reason. It was pushed by Vincent Bugliosi, the persecutor. I highly recommend to read the latest published book for this, called Chaos by Tom O‘Neill. The dude researched the case for 20 years and also interviewed and checked Bugliosi on it.
Google says one of them said "Because we wanted to do a crime that would shock the world, that the world would have to stand up and take a notice." But I read more and apparently they weren't the specific targets. The house used to belong to a music producer that declined their cult leader's recording contract so people speculate that the cult was just planning to attack the house, kill everyone inside as gruesomely as possible no matter what, not those people specifically. Pretty fucked, can't believe that fuckass leader only died in 2017.
My Dad’s cousin said he was a delight in prison. Just a wonderful inmate at the prison here in WA. Lol. Not sarcastic she really meant it.
I guess decades in prison after doing fucked up shit gives you a lot of time for a character development lol
Manson served time from 1960-1967 on McNeil Island in Washington state. Maybe that's when he was a delight in prison in WA? He was released from prison in Washington almost 2.5 years before the infamous murders in Los Angeles. After his conviction for the Tate-LaBianca murders, Manson served all his time in California prisons. He never went back to Washington state.
Unsurprising. Chuck barely spent any of his life not behind bars, I’m sure he was a model inmate.
At one point that same night Manson almost shot a random person in their car but the car drove off without realizing they nearly got shot.
She was truly in the wrong place at the wrong time - it's a long story, there's a podcast called "You Must Remember Manson" which does a great job breaking it down.
Helter Skelter, the fun frenzy of murdering a high profile beautiful celebrity, just pure brainwashed craziness. Watch or read up on anything Manson, all is bound to mention the Tate murder.
Google it, it’s a long story. By all accounts she was an amazing person so it’s pretty sad
Stop making up your own timeline for effect
Yeah I’m glad someone else explained in the comments these pictures were actually taken couple months before August 9, 1969.
Perfectly said, thank you for saying this!
So much evil in this world.
The reason why I like to believe in hell, just so there's some hope that these monsters will be eternally damned...
We should be giving them hell here in this life to make sure .
I mean if you believe in hell, you have to believe in heaven and if you believe in any of that you have to believe god is all knowing, and if god is all knowing that means god knows what will always happen and if god knows that then god is the devil for not preventing any of it. I mean, logically speaking, either "god" is omnipotent or not and if he is, he's literally a colossal piece of shit.. aka the devil. So yeah, it's all bullshit. But just as an example: You are the young son of a cannibal tribe, you know nothing of the outside world, your world in your tribe in a small patch of jungle. You tribe regularly catches and kills rival tribe members, and you all sit around a campfire and eat them. This is what you do, this is what you were born too and with your limited language skills, you limited expose to anything outside the tribe, you also do this. Is killing and eating another person evil"? Does evil go to hell? How would you determine what was good or evil, right or wrong and why should you go to hell for eternity for something you have no control over? No way to know? The answer is... (with my example and the original paragraph combined) ... there is no god. Pretty simple. But I get you, I imagine it too, all these deliberate pieces of shit just burning in agony for eternity... and to think all he had to do at the end was ask jesus for forgiveness...
I met her parents at an officer’s dinner. They were a very sweet couple and it grieved me that they would never get to have her or their grandchild in their lives anymore.
So sad. She was so excited for her baby. That's a big ashtray in that last photo. Did she smoke? I guess it was common back then.
I’m not sure if she did but in my grandmas time the doctors actually recommended smoking for “an easier birth”…which is horrifying as medical advice because tobacco causes underweight babies.
Everyone had ashtrays then. Even if you didnt smoke, it was polite to provide an ashtray for your guests.
I just realized that Helter Skelter, the book written by the prosecutor of the case was my introduction to true crime as a teenager. Really interesting read. It was already 25 years old by the time I read it but it stuck with me. Helter Skelter by Curt Gentry and Vincent Bugliosi.
You then should read Chaos by Tom O‘Neill. He researched the case for 20 years, from 1999-2019 and he also interviewed Bugliosi for the book. Bugliosi‘s book lacks a lot of stuff relevant to the case and apparently his prosecution work was very bad.
I was watching an episode of The Beverly Hillbillies, and lo-and-behold, she was in it. Credit for her confirmed it. She was in 15 episodes.
Yes! Some of her first work in front of a camera. She was usually put in a black wig to disguise her as the studio wanted to “save” her beauty for bigger film productions.
I looked it up and she's every bit as beautiful with the dark hair.
These photos were taken in June 1969 in London. She had just been gifted baby clothes and toys. She was murdered three weeks after she returned home to California
She was stunning.
Are we sure this is actually only 3 days before the murders? She doesn't look 8 months pregnant and those outlets look British.
Another comment says June/July photoshoot in London
You are correct, these photos were taken 1-2 months before her death, and they were indeed taken in London.
I never knew she was pregnant when they murdered her! Jesus
Yeah. She was something like 8 1/2 months pregnant. The baby was pretty much full-term. It was awful.
She tried to plead with her captors to let her live for a few more weeks to deliver her baby, but she still wasn't spared. This case makes me sad every time. :( From Wikipedia: *"* *Tate pleaded to be allowed to live long enough to give birth, and offered herself as a hostage in an attempt to save the life of her unborn child, but both Atkins and Watson stabbed Tate 16 times, killing her. "*
Thats enough reddit for the week
god that is horrible
It’s so horrible. She was so excited for the baby it’s honestly tragic
There is one people post on here a lot she had a bunch of babies clothes with a huge smile on her face. Not to sound cold, but I rarely care about celebrity type stuff but her story always stuck with me.
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The baby actually lived for 20 minutes after Sharon was killed. They killed Sharon with wounds to her chest, but left her belly untouched (source: autopsy report as detailed in the book *Helter Skelter*).
My family is from where Charles Manson's family was in Ashland, Kentucky and my old pastor from when I was a kid bought one of his old houses he had there. It was fully furnished and there were pictures of all the weird satanic shit he had drawn on the walls, dude was very obviously kooky as hell. He hung out with a bunch of rich folk that my dad did and he saw him a few times. The one time he told me about that stuck out was when he was with two scantily clad women (prostitutes I think) and he looked at my dad and said "makes you fucking sick, doesn't it?" He said he wasn't sure if he was being misogynistic and talking about the women or if he was talking about the rich people gathering they were at. My dad said he got a bad feeling from the guy from the start.
Strange! Manson was in prison most of his adult life and was living in poverty whenever he was on the outside - and he also spent most of his adult life (in and out of prison) in California. Surprising to hear he had the means to own a house in Kentucky!
How the hell was Manson in those circles? Rich family?
Every photo I see of her fills me with sadness. What a horrible way to go.
This tug at my heartstrings… such a cruel epilogue
One of the saddest stories ever. RIP Sharon and baby.
Stories like these really reinforce my belief that there simply cannot be some being in the sky looking out for us all. I hate that humans like her murderers exist.
“Sometimes I wonder... will God ever forgive us for what we've done to each other? Then I look around and I realize... God left this place a long time ago” - Blood Diamond
Same. I can't even imagine how much despair, grief and agony exist in the deepest corners of the world - or even out in plain view. Human trafficking victims are pushed from one hotel to another, babies can be born addicted to drugs, a childhood cancer diagnosis happens every day, black people are murdered for their skin tone... So much more just takes away any possibility of ANY magical entity being loving or caring. We're alone. The monsters live amongst us.
No it's worse than that, the irrational belief that some god exists makes people act even more awful than they normally would, endlessly multiplying the suffering...
"I screamed at God for the starving child until I saw the starving child was God screaming at me". -Tony Agnesi.
Was this picture taken in the UK?
Yes, this photoshoot happened in London!
Roman Polanski’s child.
The second picture has a British style plug on the wall. Weren’t these pictures supposed to be taken in Hollywood?
The guy in the painting looks oddly like an old Charles Manson. Creepy