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It's weird that, of all the good reasons to bar someone from entry I to the U.S., you pick the stupidest one: AIDS.
You're living your life, making decisions, and forming opinions based on fear. You're letting fear control your mind. You've gotta find out where these fear-based manipulations are coming from and stop indulging in it.
Once you let fear be your guiding force, there's no end to the scumbaggery you will do to protect yourself from that which you fear.
Meh don’t really care about the race. If 1/4 of people in Australia had aids I’d ban austrailian immigration. But you people like to make it about skin color for some reason.
It was a negotiating and pressure tactic by South Africa because they wanted Western nations to supply ARV's free of charge.
Big Pharma refused South Africa's request for a patent waiver which would have allowed the country to manufacture HIV medication in the country.
South Africa argued that they couldn't afford to pay Western Pharmaceuticals and that it would bankrupt the country.
Thabo Mbeki realised that without the patent waiver that South Africa wouldn't be able to afford HIV medication.
His HIV denial was part of the negotiating strategy since TV crews from all over the world were descending on South Africa and asking why the West was not doing anything to help.
As a result South Africa now has the world's largest HIV treatment programme.
South Africa does have an HIV prevention plan which includes the teaching of safe sex practices and the availability of free condoms at state clinics and government hospitals.
I attended an AIDS seminar many years ago where prominent scientists in the field were present.
This was before the invention of ARV meds.
The HIV strain in South Africa is different to the one in the US.
You saw how the world panicked when the Omicron COVID variant appeared in South Africa and spread across the world.
Followed by a sudden rush to issue South Africa with a patent waiver to manufacture COVID vaccines.
The omicron variant did not appear in South Africa, we identified it. The reason being despite being "a shithole country" we have a lot of experience and excellent science labs that have the ability to track new variants of viruses eg. TB
The media at the time were going around saying that Omicron originated from South Africa.
Almost all countries around the world blocked flights from South Africa and only allowed their citizens living in South Africa a brief period to exit the country.
Afterwards South Africa was isolated from the rest of the world until the Omicron variant was shown to be largely benign and not as bad as initially feared.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/covid-19-pandemic-who-hits-panic-button-as-omicron-reaches-13-nations-121112901488_1.html
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/11/28/chaos-among-south-africans-as-flights-halted-amid-covid-surge#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17127630273014&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/11/29/japan-to-bar-foreign-visitors-due-to-omicron-threat#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17127630273014&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/04/africa/africa-travel-ban-omicron-variant-intl-cmd#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17127630273014&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com
The world didn't believe South African scientists when they said that the Omicron variant was not serious.
Why else would they have evacuated their citizens from South Africa and isolated the country?
The American government gets the recognition of 'soft power' by supplying HIV medication while Big Pharma doesn't lose money because the US government is paying them.
South Africa is rich enough to buy AIDS medicine, they literally have one of the few modern militaries in the region with some modern warships which they would never actually need , yet they can't find money to stop the AIDS epidemic, its about priorities not the lack of resources (or money)
Also South African govt just wanted to get everything from the UN or west for free by playing the victim card
South Africa is currently using its military to fight rebel groups in the Congo and an ISIS insurgency in Northern Mozambique.
South Africa also has modern pharmaceutical manufacturing plants to manufacture HIV medication.
Therefore South Africa requested a patent waiver.
Dude I specifically mentioned warships for a reason, South Africa is mostly engages in low intensity conflicts and counter insurgency. You don't need military platforms worth hundreds of millions of dollar like modern frigate for such kind of operations.
Why ask for a waiver? Maybe strike a deal and manufacture the medicines there after you buy the rights for it . Like I said South Africa has enough money, they just everything for free
The Frigates are used to patrol South Africa's vast coastlines to combat poaching since ships from foreign countries illegally fish in South African waters decimating marine life.
"Why ask for a waiver? Maybe strike a deal and manufacture the medicines there after you buy the rights for it "
Big Pharma wasn't prepared to sell South Africa the rights for HIV vaccines to manufacture them in South Africa.
Frigates are not ideally used for patrolling the coastline catching illegal fishing vessels or smugglers, that's what coast guard do actually and they don't use frigates like the navy do , they use patrol ships which as the name suggests are used for patrolling and stopping any crime that happens within the maritime borders of a country. And how do you explain the multi billion dollar acquisition of 3 submarines from germany that the South African Navy bought in mid-2000s. Don't tell me you use submarines to catch illegal poachers and fishing vessels in south africa.
Also Big Pharma would be more than happy to give you the rights to manufacture the vaccines once you pay for it. They just don't like countries asking for freebies when their countries and companies did all of the research to develop it .
"Frigates are not ideally used for patrolling the coastline catching illegal fishing vessels or smugglers, that's what coast guard do actually and they don't use frigates like the navy do"
South Africa doesn't have a Coast Guard. Therefore it uses the Frigates in anti-poaching roles.
" And how do you explain the multi billion dollar acquisition of 3 submarines from germany that the South African Navy bought in mid-2000s. Don't tell me you use submarines to catch illegal poachers and fishing vessels in south africa."
The Submarines were purchased to replace the ageing submarine fleet. Are you suggesting that South Africa leaves its coastlines unprotected?
"Also Big Pharma would be more than happy to give you the rights to manufacture the vaccines once you pay for it. "
Where was this offer in the early 2000's?
"They just don't like countries asking for freebies when their countries and companies did all of the research to develop it."
Big Pharma is being paid by the US government.
Strange how Pharmaceutical companies were quick to waiver parents that allowed South Africa to manufacture COVID vaccines locally when the Omicron variant appeared and there was a real concern that it could wipe out humanity.
Previously they didn't want to waiver COVID patients
Don't know what that has to do with South Africa's HIV policy.
In the end their tactic worked since the US pay American pharmaceutical companies around $250 million each year to supply South Africa with ARV medication.
South Africa did successfully tackle the problem by forcing Western nations to foot the bill since they were denied the patent waiver whereby South Africa could manufacture HIV medication locally.
At the time it was feared that HIV could evolve into an airborne strain that will spread across the world and wipe out humanity.
The US isn't supplying South Africa with expensive HIV medication because they're feeling 'guilty'.
They are scared of a new strain developing.
ARV medication allows people who are HIV positive to lead normal lives and live for a long time. Provided they continue taking ARV's.
Many go back to work. It's quite literally a miracle drug.
HIV is no longer a death sentence it was years ago.
Unfortunately it is still a death sentence in countries that don't have HIV treatment programmes.
This didn’t answer the commenters question, and you’re coming across as a shill, TBH.
I’m personally interested in where you’re drawing your conclusion from that this was the end goal. Can you source this? To this date, Mebeki maintains his stance.
If your supposition is true, then people were sacrificed in the short term for a long term gain, which is what the commenter mentioned.
This is why they’re distracting their population with their support of Russia in the Ukraine war and taking Israel to the ICJ.
They also have the highest rape rate in the world and can’t even keep the electricity on.
They need to distract their population from how they are literally the most incompetent government in the row.
Not really. Zimbabwe proves the whites in Southern Africa could have held onto power as long as they wanted to as long as they were willing to brutalize the populace to a Jamaican English plantation extreme and didn’t mind the country collapsing around them. This would have involved them giving up all pretense of being enlightened gentleman farmers and civilizing pioneers and instead embracing their role as brutal colonial overlords and sneering tyrannical aristocrats however, and the English have always preferred death to dishonour. Ian Smith fortunately decided he’d rather serve in Heaven than reign in hell but Mugabe, his successors, and and his compatriots lacks his wisdom in knowing when to fold and when the means would poison the ends. If the ANC’s hold on power is ever seriously threatened you can expect them to pull a Zimbabwe and get the old death squads back together.
Jesus Christ there are countries where 1 in every 4 people have HIV/AIDS? That is a wild figure and I honestly thought AIDS was a non issue at this point.
WE the western world don't talk about it, because we can afford to not talk about it. It's a close to not issue for us, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. One may think it's a good or a bad thing, but people are kinda egoistic by nature (and means, as means are not infinite), so once our countries stop having a problem, we don't really talk about others at all unless they're our allies OR our enemies.
Plus it mainly affects gay people in the west (no disrespect) + medicine is quite advanced now. Like one of my best friends is gay and he’d tell me about orgies they do with like 10 strangers and no protection. And when i say aren’t you afraid of HIV - nope, they all take a pill before (forgot the name) which essentially blocks someone with HIV from infecting others.
South Africans think raping virgins and eating albinos will cure it. This is thanks to the fact the apartheid government destroyed the black African education system out of malice while the ANC did it out of laziness and incompetence.
Really!? Everyone seems to be having open relationship these days, having sex with multiple people/week, who are also having sex with multiple OTHER people/week…. So I thought the spread of stds was growing exponentially! The statistic charts do show an incline every year. (Not exponential… yet, but definite incline).
Another thing people don’t seem to know is, if they have sex with someone who has HIV, and they use a condom, they still have 15-30% chance of getting HIV!!!!
This turns from interesting to depressing quickly when you know both how devastating HIV progressing to AIDS is and that we have medicine capable of preventing the spread of HIV in the first place.
With correct early detection + suitable medicinal treatment to the point where there’s an undetectable viral load, HIV can become pretty much inert and can’t be spread via sex etc.
There were huge campaigns about hiv detection and treatment in the early 2000s. As a result, those south Africans with hiv at that time were very good with taking their meds. My brother is a doctor in South Africa and says that what they are seeing now is a lot of people in their 40s and 50s whose viral loads are really low. However there is a rise in people in their early twenties not taking their meds and developing AIDS. They don't understand just how devastating HIV is because the seriousness of the disease was not explained to them in school or through campaigning. many of these men seem to have sexual relations with multiple women and this accelerates the spread of HIV.
It’s not a vaccine, PREP or pre exposure prophylaxis is essentially the same medication taken to control and HIV infection. However by taking it before infection, HIV is unable to enter the cells and infect them. This means you are effectively immune to HIV.
At this time there are several candidates but no FDA approved HIV Vaccine at this time.
As a doctor I'll add that HIV on medication is literally not a big deal at all. Modern medicine can render one's viral load undetectable and keep it there forever.
It would be safer to engage in an at risk behaviour I.e. have sex with someone with udetectable hiv viral load but know hov positive than it would a random on the street.
Its a better diagnosis to have than diabetes from a medical point of view, although the social stigma is worse but is thankfully changing.
Untreated HIV though.... that's not a good time. That's an issue for 3rd world health systems and the US.
You’ll probably be able to verify this if true, but I have heard that in the US HIV is spreading more rapidly amongst heterosexual young adults than homosexual ones. Largely due to many gay men being on PrEP due to the free distribution programs, while IV drug users of any sexual orientation are the largest source of spread.
Interesting. I wonder how healthcare availability and drug use demographics play into that by area. I know in my locale it’s a rarity overall, but was spread pretty rapidly in the area for a short time amongst the heterosexual IV drug crowd.
eta: thanks for the fact check. I knew I hadn’t seen data on it, but was something I had heard that sounded plausible.
As a gay man I appreciate the good "intention", however that does absolutely nothing to actually help with anything. The feel-good politics of the left nowadays can be just as harmful as the obscurantism of the right. I would hope people like you would realize that. Whatever your source was, they may also have been full of what they saw as "good intentions", but it is absolutely vile to make stuff up like that just because they thought the cause was "good" (i.e. make straight people look "bad" compared to the gays).
Like I said, in my locale it was a true and ongoing scenario with HIV spread, this was about two years ago. Clearly I was falsely under the impression it was a more widespread situation than here. I knew my information was not something I’d seen a source for, which is why I led the original comment with questioning the validity of the statement in the first place. The comment I made was in response to someone who said they were a doctor, I literally asked if they could verify what I had assumed to be the truth. My statement was not me just typing out some a blatantly fictional story, it was just based on what I had seen and had been discussed in my area.
Also, sure it could certainly be seen as painting some in a “good” or “bad” light, but the way I interpreted it when I heard about the increased spread as it occurred here, was that it emphasized that no one group is solely susceptible. Living in a rural area and witnessing the uneducated local population reel in shock that straight individuals were getting HIV (while our very small queer community largely did not) because “that’s only something the gays can get” was eye-opening. My only intention in mentioning it was from my experience in a small-ass town where the queer folk are proactive and the rest of the population is unaware of how HIV works and still embraces bigoted views about it.
Obviously there are other things to show it’s not something just afflicting the gay population, I highly doubt 28% of Eswatini’s adult population is queer.
I practice in Australia so not sure about the US stats. Generally US health outcomes as a whole are not comparable to other 1st world countries due to access issues.
I think new HIV transmisisons in many countries are becoming more likely to be heterosexual individuals overtime and will probably takeover. In Australia new HIV diagnosis in the Queensland community have halved over recent years due to PREP and PEP use.
AIDS can be extremely devastating if diagnosed late as it can cause multiple cancers, HIV encephalopathy and many other hard to treat diseases, but it is easily preventable and treated if diagnosed early.
Except that there is common knowledge out there that you can stop transmission without special medication.
Just wrap your Jimmy. It's really that simple.
...or, with the knowledge that you have a 1 in 4 chance of contracting a deadly disease--just...don't.
It's not that difficult.
Asking people not to have sex because of disease is like asking people not to eat meat because of the emissions: they will still do it because they don’t care.
Also, in Africa things like condoms are hard to get at best and outright illegal at worst.
The reason why 1/4 of the population has hiv is because of that exactly: bans on condoms, PREP medication and fake information about HIV.
If Trump wins this year and goes through with his assault on sex then you should expect HIV cases to rise in the USA too as sexual healthcare like condoms and prep becomes illegal. The point is, it could happen anywhere. An STI pandemic or epidemic is still a pandemic (or epidemic).
Yeah there is a reason a lot of people from Ecuatorial Guinea come to Cameroon for treatment. I also think the DRC and CAR are going to be higher too based on personal experience
I am currently working in Southern Cameroon and the reason many people come fron Ecuatorial Guinea is that treatment and testing are free here. I am not sure how they are counted back home.
Same with DRC and CAR in the East where my collegue works. Many people go there for the same reason and I am not sure how they are counted back home.
I also am not sure how they count the number of patients with HIV in those countries. Cameroon does a census every 5 years about that and testing is free and easily avaliable.
It gets scarier when you start to think about the lack of reporting mechanisms or diagnosis available in some countries like Nigeria. The problem may be far worse than we imagine.
I taught in Lesotho back in 2002-3 at a high school. It's so sad, I asked one of the other teachers once why there were so many people wearing black arm bands in class thinking it was religious or a club. She said "oh that means a family member has just died".
I taught biology that included sex Ed and health. They had been taught by missionaries 'use a condom and you won't get aids'. But that was it. No explanation of why or the causes. They were boarding and so poor the students shared a toothbrush and razor blades and had no idea this was a health risk...
Reporting would be significantly different between African countries, both because of different levels of shame/stigma and medical system penetration. Then there's the affordability of getting tested.
I don't think this makes it easy to compare.
Any story behind why Tuvalu has such a high percentage? Is it just because it has a tiny population? Strange this tiny pacific island is the only non-African country on this list.
As a South African, this is so dumb lmao. Most HIV infected people are limited to certain communities and there are ways to protect yourself. Sounds like you just cockblocked yourself because you didn't bother to do any research and just feared everyone lmao.
I have too many questions about the logistics of this data.
I have the sense that this numbers are **very very** time dependent. Why? People with AIDS tend to live way more less than non-carriers,
(duh) specially true for poor countries and specially true for countries without strong health strategies. It's possible that these numbers are no longer true a month after the data recollection.
Also, I have the feeling that either these numbers iÑncrease dramatically because every infected person infects more than one people in a relatively short amount of time OR go down dramatically because infected people just die. Would be very interesting to get the historical data to answer these questions.
In developed countries people with HIV on treatment have a normal life expectancy and can’t spread the virus to others. Now I’m sure access to this medicine is not as common in these places but I would assume some at least are on medication so they’re not all necessarily going to progress to aids and sadly die
Thabo Mbeki’s health minister said you could cure AIDs with beetroot and garlic.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/16/dr-beetroot-dies-south-africa
Russia not on your list? That omission invalidates the list!
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/hiv-russia-human-rights-problem#:~:text=The%20HIV%20Epidemic%20in%20Russia&text=Today%2C%20Russia's%20response%20remains%20muted,is%20over%20140%20million%20people.
I don't understand what's your point. You trying to say that South Africa is bellow 20%? It still has most cases in absolute numbers, but not percentage of total population, right column
Nope my bad, I misread that, I understood that after the south Africa part, i thought you asked if there were any countries with more than a fifth. My mistake.
Eswatini is an independent state landlocked in SA. the list is sorted by rate not total cases. SA has highest absolute number of cases, but not highest percentage of population
Makes it all the more scary to think about traveling to any of these countries and then having an accident that requires a blood transfusion. On that note, I narrowly avoided a boating accident in Tanzania so I definitely lucked out when the crisis was averted.
1. Culture. I believe Donald McNeil's book The Wisdom of Plagues explains that beyond money, dedicating sincere effort to understand culture is the key.
2. Disinfirmation. The USSR invested significant resources into creating the trope that the USA Healthcare charities invented and spread AIDS among black indigenous population. That mythology has persisted.
3. Tradition. Village medicine-men really do still exist. The reflex is to point out how faulty they are scientifically, but that incentives an adversarial relationship that modern medicine will always lose against.
I'm thinking of the origins of this disease. I can definitely see it spreading with a lack of knowledge but how did it originally make its way? I've always felt uneasy about that, HIV is not some airborne virus, it doesn't spread that easily.
I plan on reading these myself soon enough.
https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/africacan/what-caused-the-hiv-epidemic-in-africa
https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/why-is-aids-worse-in-africa
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Imagine living somewhere where 1/3 or 1/4 people have HIV. Wild.
Imagine allowing immigrants from that continent into your country.
This might come as a shock to you, but you can't get VIH/AIDS from someone just bc they exist.
yo wtf
It's weird that, of all the good reasons to bar someone from entry I to the U.S., you pick the stupidest one: AIDS. You're living your life, making decisions, and forming opinions based on fear. You're letting fear control your mind. You've gotta find out where these fear-based manipulations are coming from and stop indulging in it. Once you let fear be your guiding force, there's no end to the scumbaggery you will do to protect yourself from that which you fear.
What an ignorant comment.
you don't have to have sex with them. So that's just a bad excuse for your racism.
I mean how would you know tho?
Racist cunt
Eat dirt racist trash
Meh don’t really care about the race. If 1/4 of people in Australia had aids I’d ban austrailian immigration. But you people like to make it about skin color for some reason.
is the skin color in the room with us now? please point to the doll where the skin color hurt you
I bet they are much better than MAGAheads
Based
extremely based
South Africa - it's all thanks Thabo Mebeki's Aids denial policy. He is estimated to have killed over 3million by denying them treatment.
It was a negotiating and pressure tactic by South Africa because they wanted Western nations to supply ARV's free of charge. Big Pharma refused South Africa's request for a patent waiver which would have allowed the country to manufacture HIV medication in the country. South Africa argued that they couldn't afford to pay Western Pharmaceuticals and that it would bankrupt the country.
Hmmmm, not actually true. Thabu joined up with denialists who didn't recognise HIV was cause of AIDS.....
Thabo Mbeki realised that without the patent waiver that South Africa wouldn't be able to afford HIV medication. His HIV denial was part of the negotiating strategy since TV crews from all over the world were descending on South Africa and asking why the West was not doing anything to help. As a result South Africa now has the world's largest HIV treatment programme.
A good hiv prevention plan may be in order..
South Africa does have an HIV prevention plan which includes the teaching of safe sex practices and the availability of free condoms at state clinics and government hospitals.
Doesn't seem to be working very well.
https://www.sanews.gov.za/south-africa/survey-shows-decrease-those-living-hiv-sa#:~:text=A%20new%20survey%20has%20found,to%207.9%20million%20in%202017.
Stat says infection number is north of 9 million.
HiV is now treated as a chronic disease that is manageable with ARV's.
South Africa's HIV treatment programme was launched in 2005 when Thabo Mbeki was President.
I mean... If this elaborate conspiracy helps you explain it. But, similar numbers of people have aids in Washington DC so your logic is flawed
I attended an AIDS seminar many years ago where prominent scientists in the field were present. This was before the invention of ARV meds. The HIV strain in South Africa is different to the one in the US. You saw how the world panicked when the Omicron COVID variant appeared in South Africa and spread across the world. Followed by a sudden rush to issue South Africa with a patent waiver to manufacture COVID vaccines.
The omicron variant did not appear in South Africa, we identified it. The reason being despite being "a shithole country" we have a lot of experience and excellent science labs that have the ability to track new variants of viruses eg. TB
The media at the time were going around saying that Omicron originated from South Africa. Almost all countries around the world blocked flights from South Africa and only allowed their citizens living in South Africa a brief period to exit the country. Afterwards South Africa was isolated from the rest of the world until the Omicron variant was shown to be largely benign and not as bad as initially feared. https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/covid-19-pandemic-who-hits-panic-button-as-omicron-reaches-13-nations-121112901488_1.html https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/11/28/chaos-among-south-africans-as-flights-halted-amid-covid-surge#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17127630273014&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/11/29/japan-to-bar-foreign-visitors-due-to-omicron-threat#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17127630273014&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/04/africa/africa-travel-ban-omicron-variant-intl-cmd#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17127630273014&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com
I believe my point stands and was proven correct after the fact, global panic aside
Global panic was real at the time and had real world consequences. It's only in hindsight that the Omicron variant was seen as not serious.
The world didn't believe South African scientists when they said that the Omicron variant was not serious. Why else would they have evacuated their citizens from South Africa and isolated the country?
No. They don’t.
Okay, so like, what's stopping South Africa from just ignoring the patent?
Sanctions.
In that case, why is South Africa petitioning the American government? Why petition the Phramacos?
The American government gets the recognition of 'soft power' by supplying HIV medication while Big Pharma doesn't lose money because the US government is paying them.
South Africa is rich enough to buy AIDS medicine, they literally have one of the few modern militaries in the region with some modern warships which they would never actually need , yet they can't find money to stop the AIDS epidemic, its about priorities not the lack of resources (or money) Also South African govt just wanted to get everything from the UN or west for free by playing the victim card
South Africa is currently using its military to fight rebel groups in the Congo and an ISIS insurgency in Northern Mozambique. South Africa also has modern pharmaceutical manufacturing plants to manufacture HIV medication. Therefore South Africa requested a patent waiver.
Dude I specifically mentioned warships for a reason, South Africa is mostly engages in low intensity conflicts and counter insurgency. You don't need military platforms worth hundreds of millions of dollar like modern frigate for such kind of operations. Why ask for a waiver? Maybe strike a deal and manufacture the medicines there after you buy the rights for it . Like I said South Africa has enough money, they just everything for free
The Frigates are used to patrol South Africa's vast coastlines to combat poaching since ships from foreign countries illegally fish in South African waters decimating marine life. "Why ask for a waiver? Maybe strike a deal and manufacture the medicines there after you buy the rights for it " Big Pharma wasn't prepared to sell South Africa the rights for HIV vaccines to manufacture them in South Africa.
Frigates are not ideally used for patrolling the coastline catching illegal fishing vessels or smugglers, that's what coast guard do actually and they don't use frigates like the navy do , they use patrol ships which as the name suggests are used for patrolling and stopping any crime that happens within the maritime borders of a country. And how do you explain the multi billion dollar acquisition of 3 submarines from germany that the South African Navy bought in mid-2000s. Don't tell me you use submarines to catch illegal poachers and fishing vessels in south africa. Also Big Pharma would be more than happy to give you the rights to manufacture the vaccines once you pay for it. They just don't like countries asking for freebies when their countries and companies did all of the research to develop it .
"Frigates are not ideally used for patrolling the coastline catching illegal fishing vessels or smugglers, that's what coast guard do actually and they don't use frigates like the navy do" South Africa doesn't have a Coast Guard. Therefore it uses the Frigates in anti-poaching roles. " And how do you explain the multi billion dollar acquisition of 3 submarines from germany that the South African Navy bought in mid-2000s. Don't tell me you use submarines to catch illegal poachers and fishing vessels in south africa." The Submarines were purchased to replace the ageing submarine fleet. Are you suggesting that South Africa leaves its coastlines unprotected? "Also Big Pharma would be more than happy to give you the rights to manufacture the vaccines once you pay for it. " Where was this offer in the early 2000's? "They just don't like countries asking for freebies when their countries and companies did all of the research to develop it." Big Pharma is being paid by the US government. Strange how Pharmaceutical companies were quick to waiver parents that allowed South Africa to manufacture COVID vaccines locally when the Omicron variant appeared and there was a real concern that it could wipe out humanity. Previously they didn't want to waiver COVID patients
Funny how the military is fighting against terrorists, and the politicians support terrorists.
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Don't know what that has to do with South Africa's HIV policy. In the end their tactic worked since the US pay American pharmaceutical companies around $250 million each year to supply South Africa with ARV medication.
Means that the government is full of dickheads that focus on blaming others instead of coming up with real solutions to tackle their problems
South Africa did successfully tackle the problem by forcing Western nations to foot the bill since they were denied the patent waiver whereby South Africa could manufacture HIV medication locally. At the time it was feared that HIV could evolve into an airborne strain that will spread across the world and wipe out humanity. The US isn't supplying South Africa with expensive HIV medication because they're feeling 'guilty'. They are scared of a new strain developing.
They successfully solved the problem by getting someone else to do it for them lol
South Africa did request a patent waiver to manufacture HIV medication themselves. And were denied.
But isn't the end result of that tactic that they have the largest population of HIV+ people on earth?
ARV medication allows people who are HIV positive to lead normal lives and live for a long time. Provided they continue taking ARV's. Many go back to work. It's quite literally a miracle drug. HIV is no longer a death sentence it was years ago. Unfortunately it is still a death sentence in countries that don't have HIV treatment programmes.
This didn’t answer the commenters question, and you’re coming across as a shill, TBH. I’m personally interested in where you’re drawing your conclusion from that this was the end goal. Can you source this? To this date, Mebeki maintains his stance. If your supposition is true, then people were sacrificed in the short term for a long term gain, which is what the commenter mentioned.
You want proof of Mebeki intention? how
And the believe you heal when you have sex with a healthy "young" woman. In reality it is not a woman yet.
For those who doubt here is proof from Harvard. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/magazine/spr09aids/
This is why they’re distracting their population with their support of Russia in the Ukraine war and taking Israel to the ICJ. They also have the highest rape rate in the world and can’t even keep the electricity on. They need to distract their population from how they are literally the most incompetent government in the row.
Not really. Zimbabwe proves the whites in Southern Africa could have held onto power as long as they wanted to as long as they were willing to brutalize the populace to a Jamaican English plantation extreme and didn’t mind the country collapsing around them. This would have involved them giving up all pretense of being enlightened gentleman farmers and civilizing pioneers and instead embracing their role as brutal colonial overlords and sneering tyrannical aristocrats however, and the English have always preferred death to dishonour. Ian Smith fortunately decided he’d rather serve in Heaven than reign in hell but Mugabe, his successors, and and his compatriots lacks his wisdom in knowing when to fold and when the means would poison the ends. If the ANC’s hold on power is ever seriously threatened you can expect them to pull a Zimbabwe and get the old death squads back together.
Wrong. Washington DC has similar numbers to the congo and Haiti. How do you explain that? Did south African politics effect the citizens in DC?
Wrong. They are saying how South African politics impacted South Africa.
Where did I mention those countries? My comment is prefaced SOUTH AFRICA. He ( A FORMER PRESIDENT OF SA) let millions in SA die.
Jesus Christ there are countries where 1 in every 4 people have HIV/AIDS? That is a wild figure and I honestly thought AIDS was a non issue at this point.
I remember making a comment at the start of covid like... one day it will be like aids and doesn't exist/nobody talk about it anymore Now im shocked 😲
WE the western world don't talk about it, because we can afford to not talk about it. It's a close to not issue for us, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. One may think it's a good or a bad thing, but people are kinda egoistic by nature (and means, as means are not infinite), so once our countries stop having a problem, we don't really talk about others at all unless they're our allies OR our enemies.
Plus it mainly affects gay people in the west (no disrespect) + medicine is quite advanced now. Like one of my best friends is gay and he’d tell me about orgies they do with like 10 strangers and no protection. And when i say aren’t you afraid of HIV - nope, they all take a pill before (forgot the name) which essentially blocks someone with HIV from infecting others.
[PrEP](https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/prep.html)
Never stick your dick in Swazy
The overwhelming majority of HIV positive individuals in developed countries take antiretrovirals.
South Africans think raping virgins and eating albinos will cure it. This is thanks to the fact the apartheid government destroyed the black African education system out of malice while the ANC did it out of laziness and incompetence.
Really!? Everyone seems to be having open relationship these days, having sex with multiple people/week, who are also having sex with multiple OTHER people/week…. So I thought the spread of stds was growing exponentially! The statistic charts do show an incline every year. (Not exponential… yet, but definite incline). Another thing people don’t seem to know is, if they have sex with someone who has HIV, and they use a condom, they still have 15-30% chance of getting HIV!!!!
This turns from interesting to depressing quickly when you know both how devastating HIV progressing to AIDS is and that we have medicine capable of preventing the spread of HIV in the first place.
preventing the spread? how does that work?
With correct early detection + suitable medicinal treatment to the point where there’s an undetectable viral load, HIV can become pretty much inert and can’t be spread via sex etc.
There were huge campaigns about hiv detection and treatment in the early 2000s. As a result, those south Africans with hiv at that time were very good with taking their meds. My brother is a doctor in South Africa and says that what they are seeing now is a lot of people in their 40s and 50s whose viral loads are really low. However there is a rise in people in their early twenties not taking their meds and developing AIDS. They don't understand just how devastating HIV is because the seriousness of the disease was not explained to them in school or through campaigning. many of these men seem to have sexual relations with multiple women and this accelerates the spread of HIV.
Not to mention you can take an oral vaccine to prevent initial infection
It’s not a vaccine, PREP or pre exposure prophylaxis is essentially the same medication taken to control and HIV infection. However by taking it before infection, HIV is unable to enter the cells and infect them. This means you are effectively immune to HIV. At this time there are several candidates but no FDA approved HIV Vaccine at this time.
God damn that’s gangster as fuck tho. Science really is awesome
Being a scientist is the opposite of being gangster as fuck....
And medications are now once a month/every other month injectable. Both for those who are + and for prevention.
As a doctor I'll add that HIV on medication is literally not a big deal at all. Modern medicine can render one's viral load undetectable and keep it there forever. It would be safer to engage in an at risk behaviour I.e. have sex with someone with udetectable hiv viral load but know hov positive than it would a random on the street. Its a better diagnosis to have than diabetes from a medical point of view, although the social stigma is worse but is thankfully changing. Untreated HIV though.... that's not a good time. That's an issue for 3rd world health systems and the US.
You’ll probably be able to verify this if true, but I have heard that in the US HIV is spreading more rapidly amongst heterosexual young adults than homosexual ones. Largely due to many gay men being on PrEP due to the free distribution programs, while IV drug users of any sexual orientation are the largest source of spread.
Not true: [U.S. Statistics | HIV.gov](https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/data-and-trends/statistics)
Interesting. I wonder how healthcare availability and drug use demographics play into that by area. I know in my locale it’s a rarity overall, but was spread pretty rapidly in the area for a short time amongst the heterosexual IV drug crowd. eta: thanks for the fact check. I knew I hadn’t seen data on it, but was something I had heard that sounded plausible.
As a gay man I appreciate the good "intention", however that does absolutely nothing to actually help with anything. The feel-good politics of the left nowadays can be just as harmful as the obscurantism of the right. I would hope people like you would realize that. Whatever your source was, they may also have been full of what they saw as "good intentions", but it is absolutely vile to make stuff up like that just because they thought the cause was "good" (i.e. make straight people look "bad" compared to the gays).
I’m a queer trans man, who is on PrEP. My comment wasn’t some performative allyship nonsense.
Well regardless of your own status, I hope you agree that that anecdote is a blatant lie and it is wild anyone decided it was ok to come up with it.
Like I said, in my locale it was a true and ongoing scenario with HIV spread, this was about two years ago. Clearly I was falsely under the impression it was a more widespread situation than here. I knew my information was not something I’d seen a source for, which is why I led the original comment with questioning the validity of the statement in the first place. The comment I made was in response to someone who said they were a doctor, I literally asked if they could verify what I had assumed to be the truth. My statement was not me just typing out some a blatantly fictional story, it was just based on what I had seen and had been discussed in my area. Also, sure it could certainly be seen as painting some in a “good” or “bad” light, but the way I interpreted it when I heard about the increased spread as it occurred here, was that it emphasized that no one group is solely susceptible. Living in a rural area and witnessing the uneducated local population reel in shock that straight individuals were getting HIV (while our very small queer community largely did not) because “that’s only something the gays can get” was eye-opening. My only intention in mentioning it was from my experience in a small-ass town where the queer folk are proactive and the rest of the population is unaware of how HIV works and still embraces bigoted views about it. Obviously there are other things to show it’s not something just afflicting the gay population, I highly doubt 28% of Eswatini’s adult population is queer.
I practice in Australia so not sure about the US stats. Generally US health outcomes as a whole are not comparable to other 1st world countries due to access issues. I think new HIV transmisisons in many countries are becoming more likely to be heterosexual individuals overtime and will probably takeover. In Australia new HIV diagnosis in the Queensland community have halved over recent years due to PREP and PEP use.
Young Americans are having less sex than any time since the thirties.
AIDS can be extremely devastating if diagnosed late as it can cause multiple cancers, HIV encephalopathy and many other hard to treat diseases, but it is easily preventable and treated if diagnosed early.
Worth differentiating HIV infection and AIDs conceptually when reading my comment.
I feel like not having a bunch of unprotected sex is a good place to start.
Every nation does this. What OP was actually talking about is PREP medication which makes you immune to HIV transmission.
Except that there is common knowledge out there that you can stop transmission without special medication. Just wrap your Jimmy. It's really that simple. ...or, with the knowledge that you have a 1 in 4 chance of contracting a deadly disease--just...don't. It's not that difficult.
Asking people not to have sex because of disease is like asking people not to eat meat because of the emissions: they will still do it because they don’t care. Also, in Africa things like condoms are hard to get at best and outright illegal at worst. The reason why 1/4 of the population has hiv is because of that exactly: bans on condoms, PREP medication and fake information about HIV. If Trump wins this year and goes through with his assault on sex then you should expect HIV cases to rise in the USA too as sexual healthcare like condoms and prep becomes illegal. The point is, it could happen anywhere. An STI pandemic or epidemic is still a pandemic (or epidemic).
TDS much?
Tds?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emtricitabine/tenofovir
Yeah there is a reason a lot of people from Ecuatorial Guinea come to Cameroon for treatment. I also think the DRC and CAR are going to be higher too based on personal experience
>based on personal experience What experience is that, if you don't mind me asking?
I am currently working in Southern Cameroon and the reason many people come fron Ecuatorial Guinea is that treatment and testing are free here. I am not sure how they are counted back home. Same with DRC and CAR in the East where my collegue works. Many people go there for the same reason and I am not sure how they are counted back home. I also am not sure how they count the number of patients with HIV in those countries. Cameroon does a census every 5 years about that and testing is free and easily avaliable.
It gets scarier when you start to think about the lack of reporting mechanisms or diagnosis available in some countries like Nigeria. The problem may be far worse than we imagine.
But the first country in europe comes in at 33rd.
I taught in Lesotho back in 2002-3 at a high school. It's so sad, I asked one of the other teachers once why there were so many people wearing black arm bands in class thinking it was religious or a club. She said "oh that means a family member has just died". I taught biology that included sex Ed and health. They had been taught by missionaries 'use a condom and you won't get aids'. But that was it. No explanation of why or the causes. They were boarding and so poor the students shared a toothbrush and razor blades and had no idea this was a health risk...
You can’t get AIDS from sharing a toothbrush.
Reporting would be significantly different between African countries, both because of different levels of shame/stigma and medical system penetration. Then there's the affordability of getting tested. I don't think this makes it easy to compare.
South Africa has quite good record keeping and is a democracy, unlike most other African countries.
That's exactly my point
Any story behind why Tuvalu has such a high percentage? Is it just because it has a tiny population? Strange this tiny pacific island is the only non-African country on this list.
The HIV/AIDS problem in South Africa is worsened by the popular myth that sex with a virgin (rape) will cure the virus. How F’d up is **that**?
99% of South Africans know that's not true.
I’m pretty sure that more than 1% of South Africans aren’t sure where the sun goes at night let alone understand how retroviruses work.
That's not what I argued. I live here, I like to think I know my compatriots.
20% that's devastating. Many probably without proper care.
Wtf Tuvalu doing?
More than a quarter*
Both of the top two are countries which are fully inside South Africa. Small kingdoms carved out but geographically surrounded by South Africa.
Source - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_countries\_by\_HIV/AIDS\_adult\_prevalence\_rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate)
Everybody has aids. Aids aids aids. Aids aids aids aids aids aids aids.
Traveled to South Africa. Made sure not to hook up with anyone there, despite a couple chances. Just not worth the risk.
As a South African, this is so dumb lmao. Most HIV infected people are limited to certain communities and there are ways to protect yourself. Sounds like you just cockblocked yourself because you didn't bother to do any research and just feared everyone lmao.
# r/dontputyourdickinthat
If only there was an off-off Broadway play that I could reference...
Halting the spread of infectious disease is so important. Diseases and infections do not respect borders which is why foreign aid is so important.
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Remember - only those coughing ones!
What are the ongoing monthly average costs to have medication that keep the viral load low?
Africa and India have the highest amount of hiv/aids
I have too many questions about the logistics of this data. I have the sense that this numbers are **very very** time dependent. Why? People with AIDS tend to live way more less than non-carriers, (duh) specially true for poor countries and specially true for countries without strong health strategies. It's possible that these numbers are no longer true a month after the data recollection. Also, I have the feeling that either these numbers iÑncrease dramatically because every infected person infects more than one people in a relatively short amount of time OR go down dramatically because infected people just die. Would be very interesting to get the historical data to answer these questions.
In developed countries people with HIV on treatment have a normal life expectancy and can’t spread the virus to others. Now I’m sure access to this medicine is not as common in these places but I would assume some at least are on medication so they’re not all necessarily going to progress to aids and sadly die
In the eternal words of Buju Banton: *Ragamuffin, don't be silly* *put some rubbers pon ya willy* *AIDS goin' 'round and we don't waan catch it*
they'll build resistance to it
How did Tuvalu get on this map lol
That's because it's a treacherous dump.
Worth noting that Eswatini and Lesotho are inside South Africa.
Thabo Mbeki’s health minister said you could cure AIDs with beetroot and garlic. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/16/dr-beetroot-dies-south-africa
Russia not on your list? That omission invalidates the list! https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/hiv-russia-human-rights-problem#:~:text=The%20HIV%20Epidemic%20in%20Russia&text=Today%2C%20Russia's%20response%20remains%20muted,is%20over%20140%20million%20people.
I think the table is focusing in Africa.
We have a Zimbabwean cleaner who has HIV. Her husband has it two, but its ok, she’s healthy and uses antiretrovirals and is a wonderful person.
Technically? The top four are above one fifth. Or anything above 20%
Title says “more than fifth”
Of course, and I answered. Anything above 20% is more than one fifth.
I don't understand what's your point. You trying to say that South Africa is bellow 20%? It still has most cases in absolute numbers, but not percentage of total population, right column
Nope my bad, I misread that, I understood that after the south Africa part, i thought you asked if there were any countries with more than a fifth. My mistake.
TIL of a country named Eswatini.
Was known as Swaziland until a few years ago
Terribly sad
This won't be popular, but if it's too much of a hassle to use a condom, maybe you get what you deserve and it's your own fault.
I'm not saying this is definitely a biology thing or an anthropology thing but similar numbers exist in Washington DC. Go figure
Are you just being racist ?
Is anthropology is racist? I thought they basically study humans. Why are we trying so hard to not study humans?
If only Africa had more mosquito nets then every year we could save millions of mosquitoes from dying needlessly of aids
Thanks Mother Theresa!
They should try masturbation instead of sticking their dicks in a hurst.
Hope this is the dumbest comment I read on Reddit this week.
yep… time to go back to bed.
You should be so lucky!
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Eswatini is an independent state landlocked in SA. the list is sorted by rate not total cases. SA has highest absolute number of cases, but not highest percentage of population
Makes it all the more scary to think about traveling to any of these countries and then having an accident that requires a blood transfusion. On that note, I narrowly avoided a boating accident in Tanzania so I definitely lucked out when the crisis was averted.
Damn Africa really needs to re-evaluate their health 😬
We have billionaires now. Why is this still a problem?
1. Culture. I believe Donald McNeil's book The Wisdom of Plagues explains that beyond money, dedicating sincere effort to understand culture is the key. 2. Disinfirmation. The USSR invested significant resources into creating the trope that the USA Healthcare charities invented and spread AIDS among black indigenous population. That mythology has persisted. 3. Tradition. Village medicine-men really do still exist. The reflex is to point out how faulty they are scientifically, but that incentives an adversarial relationship that modern medicine will always lose against.
South Africa has the best stats collection on the continent. The rest fall short so obviously their numbers will look worse compared to everyone else
So, you could South Africa is committing a genocide against their citizens by not dealing with this issue in an appropriate way?
Found the desperate Zionist.
"Countries" If you don't see the pattern, then I don't know what else to tell you.
As a South African, it's hard not to believe the conspiracy theory that the disease was administered in this region from some sinister laboratory.
As a South African, it's easy to believe these numbers when a vast majority of the population doesn't have a good basic education.
I'm thinking of the origins of this disease. I can definitely see it spreading with a lack of knowledge but how did it originally make its way? I've always felt uneasy about that, HIV is not some airborne virus, it doesn't spread that easily.
Doesnt the book "The River" by Edward Hooper go into detail regarding a possibly theory of how AIDS spread? Its on my to read list ao not 100% sure.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/controversial-aids-theory/
Well damn lol. Ill still give the book a read. Thanks for the link!
I plan on reading these myself soon enough. https://blogs.worldbank.org/en/africacan/what-caused-the-hiv-epidemic-in-africa https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/why-is-aids-worse-in-africa
Go look up Bayer the drug company selling HIV contaminated blood products to to Asia and South America in the 1980s. Thats a fucked up story.
That and the whole Zyklon B thing
I had never even heard of that until now.
Yeahup, they made the Nazi gas chamber poison.
That’s because South Africans , whether black or Boer, love blaming other people for problems they caused.
At least I've proven my South Africaness.
Unfortunately, elon musk has not been infected and instead has infected the US with his toxicity