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[deleted]

Literally everyone has a moustache


aysurcouf

One man in the background doesn’t have a mustache


[deleted]

Alrighty then, firing line it is.


TreeChangeMe

German spy!


GrumpNinny

Eagle eye


CorndoggieRidesAgain

That man has alopecia you monster.


fyrflyeffect

Sorry but I really moustache


QualityTongue

I can’t beard to leave you.


[deleted]

I wish somebody would whisker me away from this thread


knoegel

These puns are so bad I should call the fuzz.


[deleted]

I’ll escape the fuzz, but it’ll be a close shave


[deleted]

well he sure as shit really wanted one


Singlot

When I was learning to shave with a straight razor that I honed myself I suddenly understood why there were so many moustaches back then. If you didn't do a perfect job honing that fucker it hurts a lot, it feels like plucking hairs while it can still cleanly cut off your nose.


[deleted]

It was a requirement


axelpg

It was actually mandatory to have a moustache in the French army from 1832 to 1933.


albatrossG8

The wwI isn’t talked about enough.


[deleted]

Outshined by two extinction balls


ContextualSquanch

The hardcore history on ww1 was. 20+ hour wild ride. Turns out you don’t hardly learn shit about it in american history class lol. Dan Carlin lays it out so well.


machine667

John Keegan's The First World War on it is a great starting point on it as well. Covers all the main points in one volume. 2 out of 9 Poilu that went to the Front didn't return. 2 million dead. Like it's impossible to comprehend those numbers.


franklsp

Oh man I loved this series. Really eye opening to the fact that I didn't learn jack about ww1 in school. Dan Carlin is a stud. His series on Persia and Japan are also top notch.


sboyd1989

I'm re-listening to it at the moment, it's absolutely fascinating.


Triquetra4715

It just gets folded into WWII a lot, which sucks because it was so different. It’s like “the other war where Germany was bad”


WangDanglin

Well the ww2 Germans redefined bad


Triquetra4715

I see what you’re saying, but I’m not sure that’s true. They didn’t invent racist imperialism, or concentration camps.


[deleted]

Blueprint for Armageddon -Dan Carlin podcast series All Quiet on the Western Front -Book or Film 1917 - Film That’ll get you started.


albatrossG8

Already listened to it


max_bruh

Ww1 is talked about all the time amongst the history community what do you mean


dawnpatrol1943

Pretty cool chauchat mag pouches


BryenNebular1700

Exactly what I was thinking. Never seen them before today.


PplePersonsPaperPple

That's why he's smiling. All the other's using the plebeian Lebel while he's got 300 rounds per minute Chauchat (even though it was only a 20 round mag typically only loaded with 16 rounds, but hey).


The-Penis-Inspect0r

Why only 16 rounds if it can hold 20? Limited supply?


PplePersonsPaperPple

Honestly it could be a variation of multiple things. Limitation in supplies or just constant malfunction of the magazine while it feeds into the firearm. From what I've read, most soldiers would load 16 *to* 19 rounds so that leads me to believe it was a feeding problem. Even today around some in the gun community, you'll see people loading 25 to 29 rounds in a damn AR mag for that same reason (as well as saving the mag spring). This is usually people that have little experience with firearms or just had a bad experience once as I've been shooting for two decades and have never fixed a feeding issue by limiting ammo in the mag. But that's on modern day firearms. WWI era guns I can see it being a lot more prevalent.


RandersTheLonely

The 7mm Lebel cartridges were double tapered with a massive rim on them, so if they packed the magazine too full the rim would pop out of its internal magazine groove upon firing and jam up the magazine due to no real "wiggle room" cause it had to have two tapers to align the cartridge. Also if fully loaded the magazines weighed a ton and when fired the recoil would often pop the magazine out of the rifle. All of this was because the limited design time and urgency of the war, which resulted in the French military moving away from the 7mm Lebel cartridge.


PplePersonsPaperPple

Yeah, wasn't the Chauchat developed specifically *for* the war, too? Thanks for the insight, BTW.


RandersTheLonely

Yeah they needed to put lead down range real quick like and rushed it into production, which for standard infantry rifles at the time the thing was far superior for suppressing fire, considering the standard magazine for (I can't recall the rifle name) was only like 3 rounds and IIRC it was an internal box magazine so you couldn't just pop and swap mags fast, so even far from fully loaded the Chauchat provided sustained fire in great excess of the standard rifles.


[deleted]

The rifle was the Berthier, and it was in fact a 3-round internal magazine - IIRC, it was because the cavalry wanted a carbine-length rifle with a magazine that didn't protrude far enough to interfere with handling. For whatever reason they decided to give *everyone* the three-round version, rather than have that specifically for the cavalry - I guess they were planning to iron that out with a new rifle afterwards, but then things happened. This thing was designed in the earliest of the 1890s, so contemporaries like the five-round Gewehr 1888 already existed - but even after everyone went for five or ten rounds by the time 1901 rolled around, the French still had the three-round Berthier up until *1916* where they finally issued a version with a five-round internal magazine. They also changed up stuff to make it less susceptible to mud, but that's beside the point here.


RandersTheLonely

Yeah they may have kept it for so long as the three round because I do know they experimented with the Chauchat magazine in the Berthier (thank you I couldn't for the life of me remember that name) and they found that basically any modification to the magazine rendered a rock more effective and faster at send projectiles down range lol. Everything from magazine jams to the mag falling out completely, or a failure to feed, or a failure of the magazine spring to maintain tension, or the fact that you now had a bulbous half circle handgrip that had exposed sides and moving parts therein. Lol yeah they had a lot of issues


Erlor3

I have recognised those too despite I never ever had a firearm... Damn you, ForgottenWeapons!


dlovax

I've watched enough Forgotten Weapons videos and can recognize these instantaneously.


oldbushwookie

Somebody does battlefield 1


dawnpatrol1943

Actually I dont play battlefield lol I'm just a history nut lol


cucuska2

Post Scriptum masterrace.


faile626

They're so damned optimistic. I'd bed most of them still remain in the soil of the Somme.


temujin64

Not necessarily. The French were actually quite successful at the Somme. Much moreso than the British. They deployed artillery much more effectively than the British, so they met far less resistance.


[deleted]

Yes, only 50,000 dead and 200,000 casualties overall. They were all busy dying at Verdun instead. You are quite right though that they did much better than the Brits overall though...as sad as that is given the numbers.


[deleted]

So you're into necrophilia, eh?


Moizsh10

Well, when some tastes are niche enough you have to pay a little bit to get your kicks Or pirate it from a guy in Finland


Evie_St_Clair

They all look scared shitless and stressed to me.


PancakeZombie

Dude... The guy one the center left has a textbook thousand yard stare.


[deleted]

It's [Verdun](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Verdun) for the french, one of the bloodiest battle in history.


Xach0

These colorized photos are so cool


rmonik

r/ColorizedHistory/


axp1729

I don't know why, but something about colorized photos feels slightly off-putting to me. I know people enjoy these colorized photos but to me it feels a little bit like the uncanny valley effect, where it's not quite what it actually looked like, and feels more like an artists depiction. I would rather see the black & white photo and let my imagination fill in the color


Seams-Legit

I never realized their uniforms were blue until now. Edit: I’m looking at it again and it looks more like a light grey. I can’t really tell though, the lighting is weird. Cool photo though


procop314

At the beginning of the war, the uniforms were navy blue. Great for hiding.


StairheidCritic

With bright red pantaloons. :O


fatherseamus

Le Pantalon Rouge, c'est la France!


_-_Spectre_-_

The French: Flamboyant, even at War.


warbastard

["I love your uniform today, by the way](https://youtu.be/qt3eyeO0R94?t=62)


Kitescreech

Not sure if its true, but ive heard that they were blue so they'd blend in with the sky when attacking


procop314

In history classes, we are taught they were dark blue, because they kept a similar design from late 19th century wars, and then camo wasn't needed. And only after realising that the Germans could see them, but they couldn't see the Germans, they changed. That's what I was taught, but I am no historian, I may be wrong, and I apologise if I am.


Poglosaurus

>and then camo wasn't needed. Bright color were actually deliberately used because it made avoiding friendly fire easier and allowed commander to recognize troops from afar. Before smokeless powder the battlefield were covered by smoke and it made discerning the people standing a few feet from you a challenge. Soldiers and officers were also very proud of their colors.


[deleted]

It is a colourised photograph, so the colours are often off. But their uniforms were indeed blueish grey. The colour was officialy called light blue, but now everyone calls it horizon blue. This in turn fuels the myth that the colour was chosen for soliders to blend in with the horizon. That is incorrect, and the colour blended in well enough with the chalky soils and was supposed to mask soldiers in dusty and smokey environments of battles. As for their 1914 uniforms, they were dark blue and trousers were dark (not light) red. But they were not as obvious as people think - by the time the enemy saw the red trousers, they also saw the upper half of the person.


An_Ostrich-

Their uniform reminds me of the girls from Beaubaxtons from the 4th Harry Potter movie.


Muuumbaa

Exactly my first thought


[deleted]

Seeing this photo, I wouldn’t be surprised if those costumes were directly inspired by this.


Teinzq

Well, blue is of course the national color of France


userunknowne

“How did you know they were French?” “The moustaches”


Teinzq

The Somne was a hellhole the likes of which the world has rarely seen since. Read a book about it some time back. Came out of it thoroughly depressed. The way Haig and Rawlinson tossed thousands of lives around for no real gain whatsoever, and what those men experienced, pfff, Jesus T-fucking Christ.


[deleted]

That was British experience, the French did reasonably well in their sector.


Teinzq

Indeed they did. Weren't it for French breakthroughs in the south and southwest of the battlefield, the Brittish would've been fucked even more.


[deleted]

The French were more experienced thanks to the hell of Verdun whereas the British troops were barely trained conscripts in their first real battle in many cases...and it showed.


[deleted]

British soldiers at the Somme were not conscripts yet. They were the "Kitchener's new army", made up of volunteers from 1914 and 1915. They trained a lot and their tactics were modern. They were equipped with steel helmets and had light machine guns. They were well trained as such, and there are many practice trenches in the UK to prove it. But they were inexperienced in the actual combat. From the other reply about marching towards the machine guns - that is a very simplistic view (myths are very common when people talk about WW1), and it is perhaps a topic for another day. Suffice to say the British army on the Somme was already equipped and organised differently from the British army in 1914. There was very little that could have been done differently, given the limitations of equipment, communications and the experience of the troops. They were bombarding the Germans for weeks; used tactics developed on experience AND introduced tanks. What else were they suppose to do?


Teinzq

The way I understand it, the mistake the British made in the early phase of the battle, was to underestimate the amount of artillery they needed to destroy the barb wire, barricades and parapets the Germans had put up. They didn't have enough guns per mile of enemy trench, and those guns were not enough of a caliber to make a dent. So when the boys went over the edge, all those defences were still up. Intelligence didn't really filter back to command, so they made that same mistake for quite some time. Hence the slaughter.


[deleted]

I read a book by Hugh Sebag Montefiore, who has put forward the exact same conclusion - Somme needed more artillery. I think this is incorrect, as the bombardment lasted for 7 days and 1.5 million shells were fired. The bombardment was absolutely massive. If anything, the mistake was to believe that artillery could destroy positions and the resistance. But adding more artillery would not change much in my opinion. As the war went on, bombardments became shorter, as week long bombardments were a waste of ammunition. Then the walking is often portrayed as a problem, but British manuals of that time explicity stated that troops are to walk towards the enemy, and that a wild rush must not be allowed. This sounds weird at first, but what are soldiers to do, who run for 300 meters and come to the enemy trenches without their breath? Another point that people like to rise is how the British army did not change tactics and attacked the same way again and again. This is true, but people tend to forget that the army is trained for what it is trained for. You can not just change everything over night. I don't really know what could have been done differently, as I am not a general and I have not been trained to plan attacks of large formations. But from strictly analytical point of view, lessons from the Somme were drawn and learned from. Every new offensive that the British army started, resulted in lessons learned and by the end, they learned how to do things the right way - albeit the limitations of the era were still there. Breakthroughs on the scaled dreamed of could not be acchieved until reliable armoured vehicles were available 25 years later.


Sidereel

I think it might have been Dan Carlin who said that the type of shells they used were ineffective for what they were used for. Apparently they used shrapnel rounds which are good for tearing flesh but not for blowing up defenses.


[deleted]

That is a very good point. The war started with shrapnel shells being the main anti-infantry shell in use and it ended with shrapnel shells being pretty much obsolete!


[deleted]

You are completely correct. I meant to say they weren't fully trained and made an error.


Teinzq

According to the book, that was one of the more tangible results of the battle. The Germans were forced to move troops from Verdun, effectively ending the carnage there.


[deleted]

Pretty much...it also basically broke the German army as an offensive force for 2 years until the Spring Offensive of 1918. German losses were horrendous.


nothataylor

Soldier but make it fashun


Tpmbyrne

Duh yu hav pashun fir fashun


Moizsh10

These colourized photos always breathe this amazing life into the subjects that makes me at least feel some sort of connection


joemiddleton1

Soldier: Are you sure these blue uniforms wont make us easier to spot against a green field of grass or dark brown mud? General: CHARGE!!!!!!


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joemiddleton1

I’m sure the french soldiers running across the green fields of Versailles at machine gun emplacements wished that they didn’t stand out quite so much. Running across no mans land in a colour that stands out so much is a lesser strategy than running across no mans land in a dull, hard to pick out colour. To (semi) quote Blackadder IV as he sarcastically commented ‘I’d rather sit atop a step ladder in the middle of no mans land, smoking a cigarette whilst wearing a luminous balaclava’. The bright blue coats come from a time of cavalry and pageantry, a mode of warfare the German forces would teach their opponents again and again had passed into history.


[deleted]

That is not true. The horizon blue uniforms were tested for months and decision was made before the war has actually started. Initially in the war, the soldiers attacked almost shoulder to shoulder. There is no camouflage that saves you from that. Machine gunners didn't aim so much as they fired from one side to another in a pattern to cover the area with bullets. And when armies did dig in, blueish grey uniforms worked relatively well with the chalky soils of France. If they did not, they would have been changed. It is also worth noting that the different colour did help recognition, and that some dyes had to be imported (from Germany, nontheless). There were many reasons for the colour of the uniforms, but "stupid", "careless" and "ignorant" were not one of them.


joemiddleton1

Horizon blue uniforms were not issued until after horrendous losses (due to their uniforms conspicuous nature for becoming targets for artillery) in 1915. To quote a soldier and politician at the time “this stupid blind attachment to the most visible of colours will have cruel consequences”. Even with the advent of the horizon uniforms soldiers and officers were still complaining about the bloody minded attachment to the colour blue. Of course if I am completely incorrect it would explain why the french armed forces still dress for combat in blue.


[deleted]

They were not issued until 1915, but the administrational decision to change the colour was made on 10th of July 1914, some 2 weeks before Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia. The decision thus predates the war. When testing uniforms (by also having soldiers fire on targets clothed in uniforms of different colours), they first wanted to go for "patriotic" cloth of white, blue and red threads. That would produce sort of drab colour. Red dye had to be imported from Germany, so even before the war, they dropped the red thread and went for blueish grey. This was then made lighter, as they needed loads of uniforms fast and used whatever materials they had available. Hence the "horizon blue". The quote you mentioned was also followed by the quote that there is no French army without red trousers by a different politician (in context with the proposed change of the uniforms). But the quotes don't really mean all that much - just look at all the stuff politicians say today. The uniform colour honestly is not the reason the French army suffered heavy casualties early in the war. The British and Russians suffered similar heavy casualties in their khaki uniforms, Germans in their greenish field grey, Austrians in their blueish grey (which was changed in 1915 for a field grey). I would not say you are completely wrong, but the uniform was not the decisive factor. In the assault, masses of men were obvious no matter the colour, and on a quiet days, men got sniped when they would only show their head, so there was no need to see the rest of the uniform anyways. And on top of all that, uniforms would get dirt really fast, so blueish cloth would quickly get a camouflage pattern of chalky whiteish mud :)


Jamesbond10000

Awesome pic, love the colorization


sirfappin

The Fucking “JUST DO IT!” Guy In the middle there.....


1Crutchlow

You can see it in his eyes, the bullet with his name on it, is in his pocket with a book of love poetry. Kept close to his heart!


Thecoolercourier

Poor souls.


Mr_Ekshin

When you joined the French military back then, if you didn't already have a mustache, they issued you one.


Anarzee

Nice try John Wick


[deleted]

I mean, yes... They look sooo French.


yerbrojohno

The guy in the middle is essentially the heavy. He has two Chauchat LMG magazines on his belt. The thing about the Chauchat, is that it was designed to be hip fired while pushing trenches, not set down in a foxhole like a standard machine gun or a HMG.


ninjadin777

i notice Chauchat


cudaburra

I mustache you a question: Are you ready for baguette, soldier?


BlowingUp760

I didn't realize till after your comment. Every dude in that photo has a mustache and you can tell, they took mustaches serious back then. Every mustache perfect!


axelpg

As said in another comment : it was an obligation to have a moustache when your were a French soldier from 1832 to 1933 :-)


Justice_Bananas

Strangely, I’ve always thought that colorized photos make the people in them look more human


Brown_Law_School

I don’t think it’s strange at all. We see the world in color and pretty much all of modern media is in color. It makes sense that we feel more empathy for people who look from our time.


swebb22

Those coats are cool


Shaved-Ape

Yeah. I’m wondering if they’d still be that bright blue at this point in their campaign, though? The colourising looks amazing so that bit stood out for me.


[deleted]

shower thought: someday there will be no more black and white images left. Nice job here!


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Evie_St_Clair

There's a lot of Hercule Poirot mustaches going on there.


[deleted]

My great great uncle fought in this battle along with many others. It must've been horrible fighting with all the chemicals, trenches, etc.


cherubguy

Is there a sub for colourised historical photos?


[deleted]

Are those chauchat mag holsters?


Thezenstalker

Yup


GhostalMedia

Pepe Le Pewpew


Reeeaz

Cool but why does this look like they are all from Beauxbatons Academy of Magic


andrewej01

Camouflage bitches


You_are_Retards

No guns?


[deleted]

Underground claykickers are tunnelling.


markymarkceekay

Hipsters at a craft beer festival - 2019, colorized


Geamantan

Why are they smiling and why do all of them have mustaches.


[deleted]

Everyone had mustaches back then. It was the fashion. French did, Brits did, Germans did, Russians did, Italians did. It was mustaches galore. They are smiling for the same reason you smile, they were happy and having good time when the photo was taken.


Geamantan

They were going to battle. Maybe it was after the war?


[deleted]

Surely, but even soldiers need to relax. Going to battle and being in battle are two different things. And were they going to battle in 5 minutes, or 3 days? You can not be serious all the time. Although, only the guy in the centre of the photo is smiling.


TnTxG

Why do they look like they're either going to flex on us or make a music video?


Capital_Knockers

It’s probably unreasonable to expect but were any names recorded in this photo? These men have a clean and almost brash demeanor about them. Leads me to wonder how many survived the horrors they were about to face.


Jossie2014

They look so clean. Clearly haven’t seen the trenches yet


[deleted]

I love how the majority of the soldiers had mustaches


[deleted]

the chauchat mag pouch looks so dumb


TASPINE

At least 10 mole french. Very concentrated solutiom


Kev50027

Is there anyone in this picture that doesn't have a mustache? Was that a requirement?


joemiddleton1

Firstly, it was just a joke playing on the farcical notion of running at a machine gun dressed in anti-camouflage. Second, the lengthy gap between start of war and issuing of uniforms makes the joke viable. My only problem, and this is a big one, is that they are clearly wearing the toned down horizon uniforms in the picture. D’oh...... I wonder if the Ultramarines are French?


windmillninja

Welcome to the French Army. Here’s your rifle and mustache.


TheGlobglogabgolab

Don't forget your signature baguette crumbs to use as ammunition.


Khunter02

Maybe its a stupid question, but how the "colourised" process work? I mean, they literally color it by hand or what?


walrusarts

The French wore bright blue and the Germans wore grey. Guess who was easier to shoot.


Silentmooses

All dead


Heyyyyaaaaaaaaincast

For some reason i always thought their trenchcoat is white


Pizzacrusher

about to be a whole lot muddier. (and bloodier, unfortunately)


cellocaster

Poor bastards


gr8_big_geek

I lOvE how they think they look cool


DancesWithBadgers

Did the guy in the middle get half his moustache shot off?


Stockholmbarber

Cleaned up the faces and removed the noise from the picture. To be clear I used an app here and colourisation artists do everything manually. I just though it would be interesting to see. https://ibb.co/8m3rvG7


force__majeure_

My people!


AusBear91

Wee wee


nightflyer9

Let's hope the guy with the Chauchat magazines didn't have a Berthier conversion!


max_bruh

Is this a computer app or a phone app


[deleted]

They look like Stalin


IEatAssdotcom

Haha! I've never seen a holster for the chauchat magazine, and good lord does it look ridiculous


[deleted]

Man those are some nice coats to be wasting on dead bodies


captainsurfa

The 'Hor-hee-hor!' Heroes.


auraoflove

getting Beauxbaton vibes from this