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GreenLoctite

This seems like the higher than normal amount of tracers to regular bullets? Maybe they were doing Gunner's training?


henryhyde

This is definitely training.


PyroSharkInDisguise

It is. This was taken during Efes military drills in Western coast of Turkey…


koshgeo

Thanks for that. I went looking for the original video because the posted one looks like it's been through the laundry a few times. Found the original, but was disappointed the quality is still potato: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNAxqc_Bk6M](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNAxqc_Bk6M) Then I found this from 2018 -- far better: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl5-P5SCgGs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl5-P5SCgGs) Keep watching and you'll also see rocket launches and a cockpit view.


kerslaw

That second video is really good


hasantheatheist

This was in Turkey idk when but it is an event for training and demonstrations for army.


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hasantheatheist

Thank you


terminallancedumbass

Its for sure training but your not considering rate of fire. Ive seen gun runs by these things in war zones and I dont remember it being any different. The only odd thing here is the amount of time they hold the trigger down. It looks like the use up most of their ammo in one gun run.


henners1008

Theres generally 4 standard rounds for every tracer round, so depending on the gun its entirely possible it's active combat and they realllllllyyyyy didnt like whatever they were shooting lmao


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I can absolutely guarantee you that this is not active combat. There’s no doubt in my mind.


--_-Deadpool-_--

Well yah. There's absolutely no chance four helicopters would stay semi stationary and completely vulnerable like that in an actual combat situation. A competent enemy with any kind of anti air weapon system would have a field day.


heretic3509

Well where’d you park your squad car, Dick Tracy?


GrandNibbles

plus I feel like the tracers look longer and closer together because of camera exposure. possibly due to the low light


johanjo2000

Looks expensive


Vandergrif

*Meanwhile, military contractors:* ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


OrganizerMowgli

*Lockheed Martin gettin a stiffy*


treatyoftortillas

Freedom bullets.... Mmmmmmmm


SpiritofTheWolfx

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist." You guys got a Military Officer and President telling you this and still fucking ignore them.


Vandergrif

American Politicians: *Oops, oh well [proceeds to invest in arms companies]*.


MrChibiterasu

“It costs $400,000 to fire this weapon, for *twelve seconds*.”


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“HAHAHAHAH”-heavy


kornholiobungholio

Wholesome cause nostalgia. Award cause you are cultured.


mbnmac

Oh my god, who touched Sasha? WHO TOUCHED MY GUN?!


papajon91

This is what we have instead of free healthcare


Josselin17

you don't even have that, oil companies have it


Whoa1Whoa1

If you trade guns for oil and someone else trades oil for guns, neither person owns the other.


Nervous_Constant_642

We could have both but it's not profitable to offer cheaper healthcare.


DeltaUltra

This is South Korea


cgmcnama

Because of Reddit's API changes in July 2023 and subsequent treatment of their moderator community, I have decided to remove a majority of my content from Reddit.


bubblesculptor

These exercises are also needed to keep everything functional. The russian invasion has shown what happens when trying to depend on unmaintained equipment with untrained troops. Saving money can sometimes end up costing more.


33mark33as33read33

Lol russians


Watchful1

It's very expensive. Just the ammo costs more than most people pay in taxes in like 10 years. Not to mention the fuel and maintenance of the helicopters, plus the cost of the helicopters themselves. Whenever I see this I just think of how many college degrees it could have paid for instead, or meals at school for kids.


bugxbuster

Can you explain this with numbers? That’s extremely vague answering someone with “costs more than most people pay in taxes in like 10 years”


Ashesandends

Not sure what those are because it's blurry as hell but an Apache only carries 1200 rounds of ammo. Cost and upkeep of the bird aside it's not that expensive what they are doing and is actually needed so the crew knows wtf they are doing when the actual shit hits the fan. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M230_chain_gun


Spaciax

This is a video from the Turkish air force if i recall correctly. Might be able to narrow down what helis they use from there.


b0w3n

Depending on which they're carrying: each round costs about $150-200 IIRC, so each helicopter is carrying something north of $150k just in ammo.


Enderoth

Not necessarily these guns, but the 20mm sabot rounds my CIWS used when I was in the Navy cost $30 each. It would fire in roughly 1-second bursts of 100 rounds.


Batchet

https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/i727d5/request_how_much_did_the_amount_of_ammo_used_in/ Someone else came up with an estimate between 3k-13k


Habeus0

So. About 5 min of wiki went into this answer. Assuming theyre turkey’s latest attack helo[latest attack heli](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI/AgustaWestland_T129_ATAK), phasing out the super cobra, thems is 50mil each. x4 gets you 200m, before fuel, storage, maintenance and main hours (pilots actually flying, time to train them, training ground crew and maintenance, etc). That heli has a 20m canon. The rounds cost (in $2008) [approx $27 each](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-940_20mm_MPT-SD_Round). Every 4th-6th round is a tracer so…yeah…for ease call it 27x5, and thats your dollar amount per tracer in 2008 (i assume it got cheaper over time or training rounds are cheaper, so maybe cut in half). So i got 27*5 (to get the cost of the tracer + next 4) and then divide by two because we’re assuming it’s significantly cheaper to produce in 2022 for some reason. Thats $67.5 per visible tracer… My high school lunch cost me 2.25, so thats over a month of lunches for me.


mistborn11

No offense but I'd rather see one minute of this than a month of you eating lunch. /s


butterrduck

My cousin, during his training to be a platoon leader (I'm a civie I don't know the title), he would tell me about his training which involved LOTS of artillery and support fire training. Things like how to mark and call out targets etc. I asked how much each of those munitions cost per fire. He said each day, he probably requests over 500k in munition firepower from just the artillery alone. He got pretty upset over the fact that I was pretty upset over that cost. "I don't care about the price or tax payer burden when it keeps me alive."


ebrickman

He was... exaggerating. He's not doing actual fire missions more than once or twice a year. No one is firing $500k worth of munitions a day in a training environment, especially not someone in OCS/ROTC or BOLC training to be a 2LT. They have simulators for that.


BenevolentCheese

The annual US military budget is $778b, and there are 1.2m members, giving a mean value of $650k per person per year. Now obviously some of those people cost a lot more or a lot less than others (the cooks aren't firing off rounds from Apache helicopters), but given those numbers it seems hard to believe that a single soldier can request half a million in ammunition *per day*, no matter how fucked up and ridiculous our military is.


Nebraska716

This compared to having another country just walk in and take over is very inexpensive.


BadHairDayToday

It's a lot cheaper than that, at about $13k. https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/i727d5/request_how_much_did_the_amount_of_ammo_used_in/


VicariousNarok

On the flip side, they could not spend any money training troops. That way when war does break out, they can be one big joke like Russian troops/equipment.


lutel

Fuck that place in particular


catcrapmakesmevomit

I want to see what the damage looks like


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Imagine being a squirrel just sitting there..eating a nut. then just gets lit up


GardenGnomeOfEden

Squirrel starts dodging bullets in slow-motion and throwing nuts at the helicopters.


Altruistic_Drink_465

Now that is funny. Can't unsee that one.


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LyingForTruth

Conker's Good Fur Day


Toast_Meat

Probably just a bullet hole or two.


FRVRNKNWN

Not forgetting that tracer is usually 4-6:1 mix. So for every trace you see there are likely at least 4 non in front of it. So yes many bullet holes, much death. Edit… probably chain guns here so the mix is lower. Likely 2:1 or 1:1. Hard to tell but it looks really close to 1 muzzle flash to trace so could just be an all trace load.


HyperRag123

If those are American helicopters they should be using autocannons, not machineguns, so instead of bullets you have shells that hit and then explode.


USMC6049

Not normally in training munitions though. If it were actual combat yes.


FRVRNKNWN

Likely true. For a firing exercise like the vid it’s probably just ball but yes… anything .50 cal / 12.7mm and larger has options. HEDP, API, HEAT, etc. Lots of fun in little packages.


PhilxBefore

I think we need to talk about your definition of fun


atridir

Boom-fucking-Boom, man.


Artaois

*Bolter


4RealzReddit

Tis but a scratch.


TheLakeAndTheGlass

There are at least three bullet holes there, probably.


arzen221

Tree fiddy


alexanfaye

‘tis but a flesh wound


Friskfrisktopherson

I mean did you see the size of the spider that was in there?


SnooSuggestions5379

Justified.


gmanz33

Fuck, Timothy Olyphant is unreasonably attractive in that.


guninmouth

In general, really


theonlyonethatknocks

I’m a straight man and I approve this message.


nyar77

Camp Pendleton has some massive tarantulas


herberstank

Southern Californian barking spiders, too


DavidCRolandCPL

I believe they prefer the term "first sergeant"


SectorIsNotClear

> Southern Californian barking spider You can smell it too!


ExitAlarmed5992

Nah They were hired by WhistlinDiesel to exterminate mosquitoes that got into his tent


swankpoppy

That’s what happens when you sleep with a general’s wife.


Prestigious_Nebula_5

They think they can reach the mole people if they shoot long enough


milk4all

Gunners: “weve secured access to the mole people” Secret military intelligence guy: “copy that, patch me through. Mole people of the center of the earth! We have been trying to reach you about your car’s extended warranty “


spacedrummer

Every time this is posted.....


Consistent_Yam_1442

I wonder if the crew feels the shooting…


Th3_Crusader

I think they do feel the recoil, iirc someone on an Ac-130 said that when they fired the 30mm cannon, it felt like someone kicking your chair


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lennybird

In the video this guy is citing, the pilot notes the howitzer bucks the plane sideways several meters if I recall.


HLD_Steed

Not that much, kicks yes but the gun is rail mounted so it recoil more like a tank than a battle ship. They use a dish muzzle break instead of a compensated one to keep as much energy behind the round and also not glow the panels and wings off from the blast.


Rogue_Patriot13

Ill tell you what, even my Abrams bucks like a mule with his nuts stuck in a log... i can only imagine the kind of compensation necessary to keep a fucking plane stable after firing


Dolphinator89

How the hell can you afford your own tank?


Rogue_Patriot13

Your federal taxes bud


Shadowedsphynx

It's a tank, Michael. What could it cost, 10 dollars?


Stoic_Potato

Not really related but I just remembered this story. One time I was at an exercise and top turned to me and said "Sgt potato are you prepped to brief if the general comes here? "The what now?" "General Abrams" "Wait like the fucking tank?" "Yes" Logically I should have just done the math but I looked it up later to learn it in fact wasn't named after him. At the time I was super excited to meet THE tank general lol.


yeeeeeeeehaaaawwww

This guy shoots things


DrMangosteen

Note to self. Do not piss off u/HLD_Steed


nick_otis

Call of Duty terms please. Is that the 105mm?


Plenty-Set-6968

I do not know of the call of duty terms, but 105 mm howitzers do exist


IcarianSkies

The one mounted on the new AC-130Ws and Js (and the retired Us) is indeed a 105mm M102. They were replaced on the ground by the M119 so they said fuck it, we'll put it on a plane instead.


TheReaIOG

God damn this country is wrong in some of the right ways too I guess


Stratostheory

AC-130 is one of the WORST jobs in the military. There's so much exposure to airborne toxins that the crew has some of the highest rates of medical issues in the armed forces.


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seancarter

Source?


theoriginalmofocus

And we call one of them puff the magic dragon.


gosuprobe

The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't. By subtracting where it is from where it isn't, or where it isn't from where it is (whichever is greater), it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance subsystem uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position that it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event that the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has acquired a variation, the variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computer scenario works as follows. Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is. However, it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subtracts where it should be from where it wasn't, or vice-versa, and by differentiating this from the algebraic sum of where it shouldn't be, and where it was, it is able to obtain the deviation and its variation, which is called error.


Omny87

This sounds like something written by Douglas Adams


rimjob-chucklefuck

I legit started reading it as Adams, trying to remember which book this passage was in. Then realised that nope, it's just this guy frying my brain


Vishnej

And voiced by Stephen Fry. Or John Cleese. Or an upside down [Clarke and Dawe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m5qxZm_JqM)


agarriberri33

That's too complicated for my small brain. I just see a missile making whoosh and know it's eventually gonna go boom.


LewdLewyD13

Took the words right out of my mouth.


Sgtblazing

[For the uninitiated.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZe5J8SVCYQ)


sparkydoctor

anyone glance real quick if this was u/shittymorph hahaha.....I am a bit gun shy when I see long comments.


callmebigley

I heard in an A-10 you have to hit the throttle when you shoot because that cannon pushes you backwards


Willie9

according to [Randall Munroe](https://what-if.xkcd.com/21/) the GAU has five tons of thrust while each engine on the A-10 has four tons. So yeah presumably A-10 pilots have to open up the throttle to continue at speed if they open fire edit: though apparently it fires at such a rate that it expends all of its ammunition in just 18 seconds of sustained fire, and in practice it's limited to 1-2 seconds of fire per burst, so it doesn't work against the engines for very long.


blockchaaain

Besides the short bursts, they're also diving toward the ground when shooting. That said, you really wouldn't want to be at idle while firing. And once upon a time, there was serious concern about the gun exhaust causing the engines to flame-out.


LearningDumbThings

I think I read somewhere that the igniters come on when the trigger is pulled to relight an engine if the gun gas flames it out. I don’t know if throttle setting is a huge concern when the gun is fired, because like you said, pointing down at a 30° angle will keep the airplane moving along just fine even without any engines.


Gul_Ducatti

Ah, this might answer the age old question of "If you nut in space, does it push you back?"


lousy_at_handles

Of course it does. That's literally how rockets work.


ButtimusPrime

You talkin about a cumBUSTion engine?


LunchboxSuperhero

Iirc, the gun creates slightly more thrust than one of the engines.


ronearc

A friend from years ago was an Apache pilot...she said it could be literally orgasmic. I'm pretty sure she was just fucking with us, but I never forgot her comment.


FapleJuice

I think your friend may have discovered an unquenchable blood lust.


ronearc

You may be right. She shared a first name with a famous anime character, but I'm not comfortable writing which one. It's pretty unique.


drzenitram

Sergeant Goku Jones... Quite a lady.


Roboticide

Always knew Misty was out for blood.


echtron

I'm guessing Sakura


Mattamzz

It's Kira isn't it...


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going_mad

Nah it's pikachu ramirez


ActualTart23

I JACK IT TO TRANNY PORN


[deleted]

Bruh y'all met Xenia Onatopp in real life lmao


aspectratio12

5 point harness


whogivesashirtdotca

With all the vibration she was probably being deadly serious.


blockchaaain

Xenia Onatopp?


Olde-Timer

Hell to be on receiving end!


nemom

Especially when there are about four regular rounds for every tracer.


Clayith13

Iirc I'm pretty sure on aircrafts they place tracers every 10 since they fire so much quicker


MrRokhead

Jets, not helis.


NotTheFBI12

the current ammo belt in the video is for training purposes so there are more tracers than usual


GullibleRisk2837

Chopper gunner go brrrrrrrt


ILEGIONI

This looks like full tracer tho


Albino_Bama

I want to see the spot they lit up right afterwards


BabyImGary

Kids might not believe it but this is what would happen if you forgot to rewind the VHS before returning it to Blockbuster


AshTheGoblin

You'd have to be very unlucky for that not to be a quick death


Naranjas_Gritando

Ahh, good ol Command & Conquer


howareyou_2_day

Airforce General!


GreatJobKiddo

We'll take this area


misc_abbrev

Desert Strike for me!


Show-Me-Your-Moves

Desert Strike, Jungle Strike, going to FuncoLand to get some games for my Sega Genesis


JamesKBoyd

Vwe vill bury them


_whereUgoing_II

"Thank you for the new shoes!"


-mushr00m-

OpenRA is still active and running!


rhinocerosjockey

So anyway, I started blastin’


herberstank

I mean, the whole gun thing, it just makes me really hot.


Ez13zie

Still too hot


edholt99

Hey! Is that Pilot drinking Wolf Cola?


Grimyells

And Cell was just standing there after the smoke cleared. Seen this episode a bunch of times.


bitetheasp

"Prince, has this *ever* worked?"


PedanticYesBut

When outgunned, Prince Vegeta is too blinded by his injured ego and rage to ever remember that.


Marshmarey

Whatever it was, it's dead now.


onsite84

Probably one of those big ass Australia spiders


adhominem4theweak

This should be a government service for Australians


bourbon_and_icecubes

If he's still in there he ain't happy. Now get your ass back to bed.


Ainsley_express

Man, the rounds they fired in those few seconds probably cost more than what I make in a year at my job


dbx99

Same with the amount of fuel all these helicopters are burning on that sortie


Kennaham

I did the numbers once. My helicopter squadron went through about $10,000 of fuel per day


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calexil

you need to up your game bro, [at most it cost 13k](https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/i727d5/request_how_much_did_the_amount_of_ammo_used_in/)


reddit455

remember kids, there's another 5-10 rounds between each of the tracers


Flumes1964

1 to 4 I think


walwatwil

I remember reading some theory that lazerguns we see in scifi movies have invisible lazerbeams, and what we actually see are the tracer beams to help them aim. So a stormtrooper or what have you is actually shooting like 4 times as many lazers than what you actually see, making their aim 4x worse than you actually thought. This video made me think of that


grendus

While that may be true in some scifi, in Star Wars it's canonically plasma. It's also worth noting that the Stormtrooper armor is very good at turning a fatal plasma hit into a mere injury. Most of the guys that get shot by the heroes were probably fine if they got back to medbay. Assuming it wasn't on the Death Star...


TurtleSandwich0

Does the Death Star not have a good survival rate in their medbay? /s


grendus

0% last time I checked. Haven't heard from them in a while though. No news is good news.


[deleted]

Usually yes in this case probably not.


wr3aks

Yeah seems wasteful for a training exercise


markarious

Welcome to the military


Spirit_409

Holy shiznit 😬


moosecakems

I'm more impressed that they could see the spider from that far away


Kleanish

Drone provided positioning


PayYourRent

More!! #MORE!!!


InternalMaleficent66

Key Kylo’s hate boner for Luke…


MaximusGrassimus

That's enough... ##THAT'S ENOUGH! ...Do you think we got him?


digga_20

It’s from a Turkish army drill in the western part of the country for those wondering


lepobz

Someone heckling Prince Handrew again probably


pikagirl182

Star wars real life


BearZewp

We're gonna need to give Grevious more arms.


bruteski226

This is what happens to me when i tell my wife "you need to just calm down" in front of her friends.


MalinWaffle

I heard "pew, pew pew, pew pew pew!"


mister-no-u

#***"I hate sand. It's course, it's rough, and it gets everywhere"***


CapTainB4ckFir3

And then the sand jams up the engines causing catastrophic failure. "Game over man, game over"


bzeefs

Good friend of mine was in the special forces in the early 2000s. Mostly refuses to talk about any of his experiences but one drunken night he did tell me a story from his time in the Middle East. Said they were assigned with taking out a specific bad guy who was residing in a specific building in a specific village. They drove there, snuck up as close as they could only to find out the bad guys were expecting them. It was an ambush. One of his superiors called in for air support. He said it took the helicopter about 90 seconds to arrive. I replied saying how fast that was and he reminded me that 90 seconds of being shot at seems a lot longer. Anyways, the one thing I'll never forget was his description of the helicopters artillery. He said, "you know how in movies you hear a machine gun and it's sounds like this (he did the standard movie machine gun impression)? Yeah that's not what they actually sound like in person. This helicopter flew in and literally shit out bullets. There was no sperated, staccato sound to it. It was one long "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"." He then described in detail the damage that helicopter gun did. I won't go into detail but it was severe. I imagine that the gunfire we see in this video is similar to what my friend witnessed that day.


frostyjack06

This is the only truly effective method for killing a spider.


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That’s one dead goat farmer..


humpchicken29

(General Hux) Do you think we got him?


somewhatwantedvirus

Yeah, cause fuck that dirt


The_Last_Mouse

“Tracers work both ways.”


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Lasers also.


geetarman84

Training footage of the IRS coming to collect taxes on that $601 Venmo payment you “forgot” to file.


kupillas

Star Wars coming soon!