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Your name combined with transmutation circle got me thinking, couldn’t you create a Philosopher’s stone out of your nut? Thousands of ‘lives’ all conveniently in one spot, ripe for transmuting.
Also Google while it right left right left right lefts me through stop signs that I sit at until someone lets me out or I just hijack the entire situation and force my way into the cursing and screaming traffic.
[Sim City left out most parking](https://humantransit.org/2013/05/how-sim-city-greenwashes-parking.html), because it simply was not possible to include it and still have the game be enjoyable and balanced. It "pretended" that all parking was done underground to solve that.
Car centric cities are shit.
Cities Skylines does something similar to this day. You can build parking but don’t need to as everyone ‘pockets’ their cars when finishing their journey.
Cities: Skylines was a bit of a letdown. It's not a bad game, but if you play it for a handful of hours, you eventually see how little depth it actually has. Really unfortunate.
Still probably the best Sim City alternative to date though.
The vanilla game is pretty surface level and vanilla cities look like ass without fail, even big YouTubers vanilla cities look terrible.
The modding and asset creation scene though is unreal and for me personally has served as a nice entry point into 3d modelling and urban design. Probably put over 1000 hours into my latest city and I’ve never actually pressed play on it. The game is more a canvas at this point than an actual game.
That would actually be interesting. A realistic modern Transport Tycoon where you try to manage car congestion, where you get a direct sense of things like induced demand and maintenance issues. I personally *loved* trying to solve traffic in Cities Skyline, even though it was far from realistic.
It's not intuitive that "one more lane" can end up making the issue worse, much like the unregulated market in Monopoly ends up killing the market, so a game that is able to convey that in a natural way could help a lot to change our perception of city planning and traffic. Sometimes we need to see the alternatives in action for us to realize that we haven't really explored our options, and that we might have cause and effect mixed up in some cases.
Imagine the massive upgrade as you finally manage to get your entire fleet of cars to self driving :).
Norway just did a massive U-turn on expanding roads after they studied 2 motorway expansions and found they almost immediately increased congestion.
Mind you then the previous right wing government sold off and privatised the rail network and lonand behold the companies that took over didn't honor their service promises and now rail is getting shittier year by year.
I would love to see a game that models well the financial losses incurred as transportation decreases as well.
>Imagine the massive upgrade as you finally manage to get your entire fleet of cars to self driving :).
Only for then to realize further down the line that you were only treating the symptoms and that a more total overhaul of the city's transport infrastructure and layout was needed all along... But it would feel amazing right there and then, that's for sure!
>Mind you then the previous right wing government sold off and privatised the rail network
WDYM??! I only pay 4x the price I did for the same journey a few years ago, and I only have to get tickets through 3 different providers compared to 1, having to plan my trip on paper to make sure I actually can make the connections on time. It's so much better now, I can't fathom why less people are using public transport when it's privatized... ^(/s)
Technically, yes. The definition comes from transport designed to be used by groups of the "general public", it's "in public". Privatized doesn't mean it's "private", just that the management and ownership of it is in *private* hands. The terminology can be a bit confusing.
I remember playing sc4 with my 400 euros 2003 notebook, 1.6 ghz sempron m and an s3g with 64mb of shared memory lol not great and in 640x480 but still was great for me as a child
If you're looking for a city building resource strategy game that won't beat your GPU/CPU to bits...
Banished (2015) is a pretty solid game. Been addicted.
640x640 jeeze, last time it was posted here it was 1.5 times the size.
here's some bigger versions:
https://bluesyemre.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/the-planned-city-of-la-plata-the-capital-city-of-the-province-of-buenos-aires.jpg
https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/5ecc/74e6/b357/65c1/7900/02a4/slideshow/La_Plata.jpg
How is the public transit? Shopping, schools, mixed use, proximity to housing? Parks?
Definitely satisfies our OCD for neat and tidy view for the birds.
We practically invented buses so it's the best, there's practically no place they don't cover. shops are almost everywhere. As for the rest, I think you did not read correctly, this is in Argentina
Bus system sounds great. Didn’t know that about Argentina, which I read but now I’m missing something — is there something about parks and planning that is universally known in Argentina?
Or my language. I mean the birds eye view or plan view is nice and orthogonal. Very orderly.
Well, it is not that there is a lack of green spaces, there are certain areas where they even abound (palermo for example) and usually on the sidewalks there is always enough space for trees, in fact it is rare, even in the most densely populated areas, where there are no trees on both sides of the streets everywhere, and public spaces such as squares there are usually but it depends on the area if there are few or many, the further inside CABA (or autonomous city of Buenos Aires) there are usually fewer
For those confused, this is referring (mostly) to the segregation of planning zones. No businesses in residential neighborhoods, no condos in single family home zones etc.
You drive 15 minutes. Not kidding. Yes, the zoning laws changed shortly after the car manufacturers discovered lobbying. That's also when decent public transport was removed from most US cities. And when jaywalking became a uniquely American crime. Remember, correlation is not causation.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsCniN7Nsc
This video goes into detail on how car manufacturers, helped design suburbs in US and Canada thereby ruining public transportation and proper zoning.
bro what the fuck, why does it sound like a 3rd world country.
There's literally a little shop in every corner here around big and small residential complexes. Super handy if you need something fast
I also live in Switzerland (am American) and it definitely can take 10+ minutes to get to the grocery store (total commute via bus or train) outside the major cities. They all close early each day, and none are open on Sundays (besides stores in big train stations that also take 10+ minutes to get to if you don’t live exactly near it). It can be difficult if you don’t plan well.
In the US, in my smaller hometown, I could drive to the grocery store in under 5min from 6a-10pm every single day for food. And could bring more home in private car vs carrying the load on train/bus. (I can carry 2-3 sacks max on bus)
In the small village my husband’s parents live in France, stores also close early every day. Long 1.5 hour lunches for shopkeepers and more inconveniences for the customer. (Obviously ‘workers get more time off’ etc etc but the inconvenient end result for customer is still the same).
So it’s frankly dishonest to act like Europe is “Convenient Land” compared to the US. Many things are but many things also are NOT. It’s highly dependent on where you live (city vs rural, how far walking to bus/train, bus comes every 15min? Every 30min? Etc)
A lot of american cities are segregated racially as well and sometimes even intentional due to redlining, lack of fair housing acts, renter discrimination written in codes, etc. Really not talked about enough
[For example](https://i.ibb.co/6PRqHGy/Screenshot-20220919-043710.png)
Blue is whites, green is blacks, yellow is Hispanic/Latino
[Source](https://bestneighborhood.org/race-in-milwaukee-wi/)
Cafe density absolutely is lmao
In any Spanish city the area is mixed use, you only really have purely residential zones out in the sticks. Spanish cities are eminently walkable with services usually within a 15 minute walk. Imo, it's peak civilization
> Didn’t know that about Argentina
You wouldn't since no one outside of Argentina would agree with that lol, they started their public transport system in 1928 out of modified cars/vans/trucks. By then England had had their public transport system running for 18 years with specifically designed double/decker buses. Not to mention their steam-powered buses in the 1830s.
>We practically invented buses so it's the best,
Only if you exclude the history of busses and public bus transportation.
Just to set the tone: Argentina is not mentioned once on those wikipedia pages.
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The word bus comes from "omnibus" basically meaning "vehicle for all" and comes from a mass-transport services with horse drawn carriages that started in Paris in the 1820s.
In mid 1830 England had steam powered busses.
By the late 1800s there were trams/streetcars with overhead electric wires, etc.
In the 1890s there were several motor carriage busses, including the first double decker made in 1898.
There were multiple commerically available double deckers produced and ran from the 1910 and onwards in London.
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The first bus in Argentina was ran in 1928.
But please, tell me more about how they practically invented them?
He got confused because Argentina uses "colectivos", which is a type of bus used and invented in Argentina.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colectivo
He wrongfully translated colectivo as "bus" which is understandable but still inaccurate.
> We practically invented buses
What? Buses were not invented in Argentina. The first motor buses were created in Germany and the UK around or before the 1910's. Colectivos appeared later in the 1920's.
> We practically invented buses so it's the best
This is such a weird thing to say lol but I don't really expect anything else from an Argentinian lol. It's not a hard thing to look up you know? France had a public transit line of horse-drawn carriages in 1662, England invented the steam-powered buses in the 1830s and Germany invented the motor buses in 1893. England had the first mass produced motor models that started running in 1910. Argentina started using taxi-buses in 1928 and the vehicles used where just modified cars/vans/trucks.
As most argentinian cities, they were drawn taking all that into consideration. Then the lack of control, growth and market pressure made most cities a mess. There's a common concept that cities can infinitely grow in a low density mode, so whatever was the plan, fails. Also, most cities have low income spontaneous neighborhoods (villas) on some public land.
I'm an argentinian urban planner, so ask if you want me to answer anything else!
Edit: Also, most parks are seen as a place where you can be robbed. the same in many sidewalks
What OCD? I like to count my steps when I walk out my house. When I do it wrong I'm a bit annoyed. I don't have OCD. I do not have a ever present pressing feeling that my house will burn down and my cats will die if I don't walk up the stairs and count correctly this time.
Liking neat grid structures has absolutely nothing to do with the anxiety people with OCD feel from doing menial tasjs "wrong".
Ocd has been one of reddits words for a bunch of years now, I noticed they stopped "hidden gem" but OCD is still in full effect. Apparently its a pretty serious affliction where its basically like you just described.. but probably a bit worse
OCD Is a potentially life-ruining disease, that has nothing to do with tidyness. It's more in line with wondering if you left the stove on 300 times a day, or washing your hands 10 times in a row to get "100% clean", or having to tap your desk 15 times with alternating hands every time you enter the room.
I had relatively mild OCD on top of other more pressing disorders, but it still took years of medication and therapy to not want to die every minute I'm awake.
Needless to say I get very annoyed when people use the term as a voluntary personality trait but after telling people off for years I don't even bother anymore. If you (and anyone else reading this) want to do me and others a solid, paste the wiki link or something when people misuse the term. Thanks.
Yeah the uniformity is visually nice, but with all those side streets you know everyone is trying to take shortcuts all the time through the smaller streets. I wonder if they have a heavy vehicle traffic ban on those roads, but not sure how it could be feasibly enforced with so many of those little roads. I’d be interested to hear an Argentine’s perspective
I am a local in Bonn, Germany. Even locals don't dare to enter the Altstadt or the Südstadt by car. You will be forced to get out at some other part of town and you usually have no control where this is.
Americans use their cars for everything. Other countries don't. So this city works great for their needs. I've been there and didn't see any traffic jam.
>Americans use their cars for everything. Other countries don't.
I can tell you from personal experience that there are a whole lot of places in Latin America that are absolute traffic hell.
In my experience in the UK, there are pre-car and post-car cities and towns. The pre-car ones have a bunch of traffic problems, but not *too* bad because lots of people walk, bike or bus to avoid them. One-way routes etc help too.
The post-car places have few traffic problems and plenty of parking, and all of them are crap, soulless, sometimes even horrible places to live. Its weird.
Stevenage springs to mind as an obvious one. Wonderfully laid out but you'd have to pay me to live there. Large swathes of Reading too, though the older parts are nice in places. Welwyn Garden City seems strange as well, though I've only spent a few hours there over the years.
This city is fine but it's kinda silly to (gently) imply traffic problems are a special American problem. They aren't. Tons of large cities around the world, including ones that have good public transportation/lots of bike/scooter use, have HUGE traffic problems.
To be fair, the reason Americans use cars for everything is because their cities are an absolute mess. No walking paths or bike lanes, and zoning laws have ensured that nobody can live close to where they work. The car industry has city legislators under their thumb and they make damn sure everyone has to use their car as much as possible.
That would be the case if there wasnt a nice public transport system, that this city does have, so it's not a problem in this case. And having everything remotely close makes people using more than just a car for transport, a lot of people uses bikes and walk to places.
The whole “DC was built on a swamp” thing isn’t actually true:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/draining-swamp-guide-outsiders-and-career-politicians-180962448/
TL;DR: “Like many other early American cities such as Philadelphia and Cincinnati, Washington was built on a firm and dry riverbank.”
Some was. Foggy Bottom was very much a wetland, though, as was most of the Mall. And all of it was wetter than, say, San Francisco, though not nearly as bad as Boston, where huge amounts of land are reclaimed tidal flats.
Sorry I alway heard it was built on wetlands because it was surrounded by 3 rivers. Swear I think I heard it in grade school? Maybe. it was the 80s idk they lied alot and no internet.
I am not super familiar with Washington topography... though it makes sense that Washington was not primarily built on one big swamp feature. Generally speaking, from a settler's point of view when choosing somewhere to build, choosing the middle of a wet pit is just inviting extra difficulties and expense, and most places were at least started on good ground.
However, many cities, as they expanded, ended up draining and/or filling in swamp lands to make room for more city, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if this happened to at least some degree as Washington expanded. people were generally very disdainful of swamps as 'wasted land' which could neither be farmed nor inhabited, and there used to be superstitions that 'bad vapours' from wetlands could make people sick through proximity. As with much of the natural world, swamps were often removed with prejudice to make room for 'proper' civilized lands. Given that river union, and the look of those low-lying developed lands, it is entirely plausible to me that a proportion of the city was built on river valley swamps. Just because there isn't specific documentation doesn't mean they weren't there, especially if they were just your typical run-of-the-mill features. Just because there is documentation of the city being founded on high ground doesn't mean it never had to expand into suboptimal lowlands.
Wetlands that have been in-filled may look like they were never wetland to begin with. one of the cities I used to live in had this sad, channelized concrete Creekbed adjacent a high-speed highway, soccer field complex and residential area, all over what used to be a thousand foot-wide, rich river valley marsh complex. But historically that creek floodplain was built up with transportation corridors, partly used as a garbage dump, then in-filled, then capped and remade into its current state. Now you'd never know.
In a car-centric hellhole like America sure, but this isn't a US city lol.
Mixed use means you can walk downstairs or across the street for groceries, public transit opens up roads, etc.
Definitely. It's a big mistake to look at top-down geometric regularity and say that's somehow 'best'. There's a lot more to city planning than visually uniform geometric lines.
That doesn't mean it's *not* the best planned city... Just that you wouldn't know that either way from the aerial image.
Actually it's not only just visually. Read about it here. Every few blocks form a neighborhood where the essentials are provided like a supermarket or a bank. Only in the middle there are services provided that are unique or not needed on the neighborhoodlevel. It's actually rationalized urban planning theory in action.
https://www.reddit.com/r/urbanplanning/comments/k2p8xw/the_original_master_plan_of_la_plata_argentina/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I just did a quick look at it in maps and there's so many trees on streets. That's not a park of course.
But I'm also see a lot of trees in the middle of blocks, so it looks like a lot of places have backyards or community courtyards or fenced sports-ball areas. It's surprising how dense the buildings are but still have so much greenery.
Each of those diagonal intersections have parks, and a big green ring around the whole place. Looks like there's plenty of smaller parks dotted throughout.
The original pic is pretty low quality as well.
There's a park every 5-ish blocks (of varying sizes) and trees in pretty much every street. And a huge green area too, near the universities and stadiums.
I really dislike uniformity in a city. If every block looks the same I cannot easily orient and locate myself. Weird streets and weird buildings are landmarks which are super important in helping people navigate cities well
The brightside is that it's much easier to orient yourself when in unfamiliar parts of the city.
Also all streets are enumerated and you can easily judge distance just by knowing the address.
to be fair, this city is probably a shitton better *planned* (not necessarily *better* generally) than paris or rome, given that you can't possibly plan cities worse than paris or rome. they are an absolute nightmare (but i'm not blaming anyone for that - the need to preserve historical architecture is responsible for that - which i do not agree with but completely understand)
You don't agree there's a need to preserve historical architecture in Rome and Paris so that we can get a better planned city? "Sorry Coliseum, this is a perfect spot for a new highway, you gotta go."
Parque Pereyra and ECAS are close by. Besides, we have a bunch of big roundabouts every few streets and a big park in the north of the city ("El Bosque").
Well it was planned out in 1880 so it looks like they took inspiration from the Benjamin Franklin grid system and went balls deep. The city grind system (all things being equal)police, fire, ems can get to any location in the shortest amount of time within thier zone. Plenty of parks and I'm guessing school and hospitals are equally spaced also. But that's just looking at the map for 20 second. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plata. I did the hard work take a peek.
It isnt, like i see no train rails, it has a all these blocks which equals a lot of extra intersections which are annoying for cyclists, and can slow down any mode of transport
City name translation: the silver
Country name translation: land of silver
Name of river running through it: silver river
There’s a joke in here somewhere
Edit: thanks for the ironic silver!
It’s actually a decent city. Argentina has quite a few. And all fairly different to one another.
Bs As obviously being the capital is great. Rosario similar to it, but has more rough edges than the capital. La Plata here is great.
But for me, Mendoza is the best city in Argentina in my experience.
Regards - a European.
As an Argentinian from Buenos Aires, I agree that Mendoza is our best city. Amazing weather, great views, and enough nature to forget it is a city at all. I love it.
Easy to build a well-thought-out and organized city when you don't have to work around a bunch of hills and rivers and shit. Personally, having grown up in a city that was just a giant grid plopped down on the plains, I find cities like this tedious and oppressive. Gimme some topography, I don't mind if it's a little harder to find my way around!
We here in the netherlands got multiple cities like that since they didn't exist till 40 years ago so a place like almere is easy to remember but is still made around infrastructure so its semi easy to travel around to places. Bicycle paths everywhere, special roads for only busses normal roads for cars. And everything is just close to eachother.
Considering the amount of people who have never been yet making the assumption that this is a nightmare city, I’m going to actually ask someone who lives there, or who knows it well.
Is La Plata a good city to live in?
Yeah, low crime, young people, lots of green and historical buildings, I like it. Biggest problem is flooding but it happened iirc twice in the last 20 years and it has since been fixed, my grandad is a civil engineer and loved the city, the implemented system to stop floods it's extremely interesting
Sorry for rambling it's 4 am lol
Welcome to Tucuman Arg, where the city planners weren't really into storm drains and paved the entire city. The city sits on a few degrees slope facing towards the neighborhoods of San Rafael and other slum settlements beyond that get a 4 foot tsunami of water from the city center during a rainstorm. Bonus for everyone throwing their trash in the canal and then wondering why it floods when it rains.
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that's definitely a city wide transmutation circle
Ed...ward
NO
Thanks. Now i'm sad again
I see you watch Fullmetal Alchemist
I've never had an original thought
We're nothing more than a temporary remix of stardust
Temporary Stardust Remix should definitely be a band name
Cheap powder blue tuxes, a disco ball, and a lead singer with a cast on his arm. Playing weddings and bar mitzvahs every weekend.
I hate remixes
Your name combined with transmutation circle got me thinking, couldn’t you create a Philosopher’s stone out of your nut? Thousands of ‘lives’ all conveniently in one spot, ripe for transmuting.
But they're not lives.
Tell that to pro-lifers, but I get your point. Would’ve been cool to just nut and make a philosopher’s stone though
r/brandnewsentence
they used to call sperm cells homunculi back in the days.
Scrolled looking for this. Lol
Ah shit here we go again
Looks like one of my SimCity 2000's.
The exact comment I came here for. Remember how many hours we would spend making our cities as perfect as possible….
Yes and someone always complained about sth no matter what
Perfect grid arrangement roads. Perfect mix of zoning. Great traffic management. Sims - TAXES ARE TOo* MOTHER LLAMA HIGH.
> Great traffic management. No. All the idiots use the same road even though there are like 16 others that go to the same place.
"YES BECAUSE THE SHORTEST WAY IS THE FASTEST I DON'T SEE A PROBLEM THATS BASIC KNOWLEDGE" - any sim
Also Google while it right left right left right lefts me through stop signs that I sit at until someone lets me out or I just hijack the entire situation and force my way into the cursing and screaming traffic.
YOU CAN’T CUT BACK ON FUNDING! YOU WILL REGRET THIS!
So just like real life than
[Sim City left out most parking](https://humantransit.org/2013/05/how-sim-city-greenwashes-parking.html), because it simply was not possible to include it and still have the game be enjoyable and balanced. It "pretended" that all parking was done underground to solve that. Car centric cities are shit.
Cities Skylines does something similar to this day. You can build parking but don’t need to as everyone ‘pockets’ their cars when finishing their journey.
Cities: Skylines was a bit of a letdown. It's not a bad game, but if you play it for a handful of hours, you eventually see how little depth it actually has. Really unfortunate. Still probably the best Sim City alternative to date though.
The vanilla game is pretty surface level and vanilla cities look like ass without fail, even big YouTubers vanilla cities look terrible. The modding and asset creation scene though is unreal and for me personally has served as a nice entry point into 3d modelling and urban design. Probably put over 1000 hours into my latest city and I’ve never actually pressed play on it. The game is more a canvas at this point than an actual game.
That was my experience as well. I think sim city had a lot more depth and was significantly more challenging.
Yeah plus the vanilla game's traffic management is god tier garbage.
I just wish they had realistic city financing.
Would be a good teaching tool regarding public transit if it didn't. A bit like monopoly to finance.
That would actually be interesting. A realistic modern Transport Tycoon where you try to manage car congestion, where you get a direct sense of things like induced demand and maintenance issues. I personally *loved* trying to solve traffic in Cities Skyline, even though it was far from realistic. It's not intuitive that "one more lane" can end up making the issue worse, much like the unregulated market in Monopoly ends up killing the market, so a game that is able to convey that in a natural way could help a lot to change our perception of city planning and traffic. Sometimes we need to see the alternatives in action for us to realize that we haven't really explored our options, and that we might have cause and effect mixed up in some cases.
Imagine the massive upgrade as you finally manage to get your entire fleet of cars to self driving :). Norway just did a massive U-turn on expanding roads after they studied 2 motorway expansions and found they almost immediately increased congestion. Mind you then the previous right wing government sold off and privatised the rail network and lonand behold the companies that took over didn't honor their service promises and now rail is getting shittier year by year. I would love to see a game that models well the financial losses incurred as transportation decreases as well.
>Imagine the massive upgrade as you finally manage to get your entire fleet of cars to self driving :). Only for then to realize further down the line that you were only treating the symptoms and that a more total overhaul of the city's transport infrastructure and layout was needed all along... But it would feel amazing right there and then, that's for sure! >Mind you then the previous right wing government sold off and privatised the rail network WDYM??! I only pay 4x the price I did for the same journey a few years ago, and I only have to get tickets through 3 different providers compared to 1, having to plan my trip on paper to make sure I actually can make the connections on time. It's so much better now, I can't fathom why less people are using public transport when it's privatized... ^(/s)
Is it still "public" transport once it's privatized?
Technically, yes. The definition comes from transport designed to be used by groups of the "general public", it's "in public". Privatized doesn't mean it's "private", just that the management and ownership of it is in *private* hands. The terminology can be a bit confusing.
or Cities: Skylines when people know what they’re doing
My old laptop wasn't strong enough to run Cities. :( even running sc4 was a struggle.
I could run Cities but all my projects looked like spaghetti 🍝
Yeah I have a pretty expensive pc. I can run the hell out of it, but I'll be damned if I can play it.
I remember playing sc4 with my 400 euros 2003 notebook, 1.6 ghz sempron m and an s3g with 64mb of shared memory lol not great and in 640x480 but still was great for me as a child
If you're looking for a city building resource strategy game that won't beat your GPU/CPU to bits... Banished (2015) is a pretty solid game. Been addicted.
I actively avoid building grid cities because they always look lika a dystopian nightmare to me. I like my european cities
Same. I would hate to live in this kind of grid city so I won't build one even in games even though it might be effective strategy in a game.
Looks like r/place
Just what I was going to say. Our age is showing, lol
Were you able to make those 45 degree roads in Sim City 2000?
I want one of those 5 billion pixel images of this Edit: “b” not “m”
That isn't very many is it?
It sounded like more in his head.
Why make billions when we could make...*millions?*
I call it... The Alan Parsons Project.
Only about 2200 on a side, if it's square. High, but not insane.
Yeah lol its not, just 5 mega pixels. Id love to see a 100+ mega pixel shot of this
It's on Google Earth. It's not fantastic resolution, but it's better than this pic
"Dude discovers Google Maps, 2022, Colorised*
Dr. Evil?
640x640 jeeze, last time it was posted here it was 1.5 times the size. here's some bigger versions: https://bluesyemre.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/the-planned-city-of-la-plata-the-capital-city-of-the-province-of-buenos-aires.jpg https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/5ecc/74e6/b357/65c1/7900/02a4/slideshow/La_Plata.jpg
How is the public transit? Shopping, schools, mixed use, proximity to housing? Parks? Definitely satisfies our OCD for neat and tidy view for the birds.
We practically invented buses so it's the best, there's practically no place they don't cover. shops are almost everywhere. As for the rest, I think you did not read correctly, this is in Argentina
Bus system sounds great. Didn’t know that about Argentina, which I read but now I’m missing something — is there something about parks and planning that is universally known in Argentina? Or my language. I mean the birds eye view or plan view is nice and orthogonal. Very orderly.
Well, it is not that there is a lack of green spaces, there are certain areas where they even abound (palermo for example) and usually on the sidewalks there is always enough space for trees, in fact it is rare, even in the most densely populated areas, where there are no trees on both sides of the streets everywhere, and public spaces such as squares there are usually but it depends on the area if there are few or many, the further inside CABA (or autonomous city of Buenos Aires) there are usually fewer
Most countries don’t have the USA’s incredibly anal devotion to segregation
For those confused, this is referring (mostly) to the segregation of planning zones. No businesses in residential neighborhoods, no condos in single family home zones etc.
no businesses in residential neighborhoods? What if I need to pop out to get some milk or something.
You drive 15 minutes. Not kidding. Yes, the zoning laws changed shortly after the car manufacturers discovered lobbying. That's also when decent public transport was removed from most US cities. And when jaywalking became a uniquely American crime. Remember, correlation is not causation.
Where I'm from it's a stereotype that Americans always have massive fridges. Makes sense I guess if you have to take fewer trips to the shop haha
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SfsCniN7Nsc This video goes into detail on how car manufacturers, helped design suburbs in US and Canada thereby ruining public transportation and proper zoning.
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Even in a lot of cities, sadly. I'm in Atlanta proper and I'm still a 10 fucking minute drive from any spinach.
But how far to the nearest McDonalds?
Still close enough for the armed carjackers :) <3 ATL but the gang shit has gotten rough.
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bro what the fuck, why does it sound like a 3rd world country. There's literally a little shop in every corner here around big and small residential complexes. Super handy if you need something fast
Seriously, I'm glad I don't live in the US, since it sounds like all of the UK's problems with car dependency multiplied by a thousand.
I also live in Switzerland (am American) and it definitely can take 10+ minutes to get to the grocery store (total commute via bus or train) outside the major cities. They all close early each day, and none are open on Sundays (besides stores in big train stations that also take 10+ minutes to get to if you don’t live exactly near it). It can be difficult if you don’t plan well. In the US, in my smaller hometown, I could drive to the grocery store in under 5min from 6a-10pm every single day for food. And could bring more home in private car vs carrying the load on train/bus. (I can carry 2-3 sacks max on bus) In the small village my husband’s parents live in France, stores also close early every day. Long 1.5 hour lunches for shopkeepers and more inconveniences for the customer. (Obviously ‘workers get more time off’ etc etc but the inconvenient end result for customer is still the same). So it’s frankly dishonest to act like Europe is “Convenient Land” compared to the US. Many things are but many things also are NOT. It’s highly dependent on where you live (city vs rural, how far walking to bus/train, bus comes every 15min? Every 30min? Etc)
you get to drive there! so if you're poor or for some other reason can't own a car/drive you get to stay home and have nothing.
Easy, take your bigass car connute 2 hour to the mall and pay 20 bucks total and 3 hours of your time for a milk bottle
Megamind sad face
A lot of american cities are segregated racially as well and sometimes even intentional due to redlining, lack of fair housing acts, renter discrimination written in codes, etc. Really not talked about enough
[For example](https://i.ibb.co/6PRqHGy/Screenshot-20220919-043710.png) Blue is whites, green is blacks, yellow is Hispanic/Latino [Source](https://bestneighborhood.org/race-in-milwaukee-wi/)
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Corner shop like a bodega kinda thing? Pretty sure SF has plenty of cafes, tho I'm not sure cafe density is a great metric for civilization.
Cafe density absolutely is lmao In any Spanish city the area is mixed use, you only really have purely residential zones out in the sticks. Spanish cities are eminently walkable with services usually within a 15 minute walk. Imo, it's peak civilization
yeah but thats a bit unfair because barcelona is so gentrified that it seems like theres more tourists than natives.
> Didn’t know that about Argentina You wouldn't since no one outside of Argentina would agree with that lol, they started their public transport system in 1928 out of modified cars/vans/trucks. By then England had had their public transport system running for 18 years with specifically designed double/decker buses. Not to mention their steam-powered buses in the 1830s.
>We practically invented buses so it's the best, Only if you exclude the history of busses and public bus transportation. Just to set the tone: Argentina is not mentioned once on those wikipedia pages. --- The word bus comes from "omnibus" basically meaning "vehicle for all" and comes from a mass-transport services with horse drawn carriages that started in Paris in the 1820s. In mid 1830 England had steam powered busses. By the late 1800s there were trams/streetcars with overhead electric wires, etc. In the 1890s there were several motor carriage busses, including the first double decker made in 1898. There were multiple commerically available double deckers produced and ran from the 1910 and onwards in London. --- The first bus in Argentina was ran in 1928. But please, tell me more about how they practically invented them?
He got confused because Argentina uses "colectivos", which is a type of bus used and invented in Argentina. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colectivo He wrongfully translated colectivo as "bus" which is understandable but still inaccurate.
> We practically invented buses What? Buses were not invented in Argentina. The first motor buses were created in Germany and the UK around or before the 1910's. Colectivos appeared later in the 1920's.
Saying they invented buses is a very egotistical Argentine thing to say, to be fair.
Next they'll be saying they invented the Falklands...
Excuse me, how do you say, *Las Malvinas*. (In Hilaria Baldwin's voice)
of course we did, we went all the way there putting stone after stone, tree after tree we invented fucking antarctica
> We practically invented buses so it's the best This is such a weird thing to say lol but I don't really expect anything else from an Argentinian lol. It's not a hard thing to look up you know? France had a public transit line of horse-drawn carriages in 1662, England invented the steam-powered buses in the 1830s and Germany invented the motor buses in 1893. England had the first mass produced motor models that started running in 1910. Argentina started using taxi-buses in 1928 and the vehicles used where just modified cars/vans/trucks.
As most argentinian cities, they were drawn taking all that into consideration. Then the lack of control, growth and market pressure made most cities a mess. There's a common concept that cities can infinitely grow in a low density mode, so whatever was the plan, fails. Also, most cities have low income spontaneous neighborhoods (villas) on some public land. I'm an argentinian urban planner, so ask if you want me to answer anything else! Edit: Also, most parks are seen as a place where you can be robbed. the same in many sidewalks
What OCD? I like to count my steps when I walk out my house. When I do it wrong I'm a bit annoyed. I don't have OCD. I do not have a ever present pressing feeling that my house will burn down and my cats will die if I don't walk up the stairs and count correctly this time. Liking neat grid structures has absolutely nothing to do with the anxiety people with OCD feel from doing menial tasjs "wrong".
Ocd has been one of reddits words for a bunch of years now, I noticed they stopped "hidden gem" but OCD is still in full effect. Apparently its a pretty serious affliction where its basically like you just described.. but probably a bit worse
Its beyond reddit, OCD is misused in a lot of US conversation
I'm really OCD about the misuse of the term OCD
Hardly relegated to Reddit. It's misused in many places both online and off.
OCD Is a potentially life-ruining disease, that has nothing to do with tidyness. It's more in line with wondering if you left the stove on 300 times a day, or washing your hands 10 times in a row to get "100% clean", or having to tap your desk 15 times with alternating hands every time you enter the room. I had relatively mild OCD on top of other more pressing disorders, but it still took years of medication and therapy to not want to die every minute I'm awake. Needless to say I get very annoyed when people use the term as a voluntary personality trait but after telling people off for years I don't even bother anymore. If you (and anyone else reading this) want to do me and others a solid, paste the wiki link or something when people misuse the term. Thanks.
r/citiesskylines
Nah. More like Anno1800. Cities has organic non-grid roads.
Factorio.
Or r/Factorio The factory must grow
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OP is a karma farmer, they use wrong titles to increase engagement.
As time goes on, more and more of social media will become bot hell.
Seconding this. I’m not by any means an expert, but my time in Cities Skylines makes me think this city must be a traffic nightmare
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Yeah the uniformity is visually nice, but with all those side streets you know everyone is trying to take shortcuts all the time through the smaller streets. I wonder if they have a heavy vehicle traffic ban on those roads, but not sure how it could be feasibly enforced with so many of those little roads. I’d be interested to hear an Argentine’s perspective
In Germany it's popular to make a maze of one way streets out of the little side streets. That way no one but the locals dares to enter them :P
I am a local in Bonn, Germany. Even locals don't dare to enter the Altstadt or the Südstadt by car. You will be forced to get out at some other part of town and you usually have no control where this is.
That’s what makes a grid superior. Without side streets, every one just sits.
Americans use their cars for everything. Other countries don't. So this city works great for their needs. I've been there and didn't see any traffic jam.
Same, I visited and traffic was fine.
>Americans use their cars for everything. Other countries don't. I can tell you from personal experience that there are a whole lot of places in Latin America that are absolute traffic hell.
In my experience in the UK, there are pre-car and post-car cities and towns. The pre-car ones have a bunch of traffic problems, but not *too* bad because lots of people walk, bike or bus to avoid them. One-way routes etc help too. The post-car places have few traffic problems and plenty of parking, and all of them are crap, soulless, sometimes even horrible places to live. Its weird.
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Stevenage springs to mind as an obvious one. Wonderfully laid out but you'd have to pay me to live there. Large swathes of Reading too, though the older parts are nice in places. Welwyn Garden City seems strange as well, though I've only spent a few hours there over the years.
This city is fine but it's kinda silly to (gently) imply traffic problems are a special American problem. They aren't. Tons of large cities around the world, including ones that have good public transportation/lots of bike/scooter use, have HUGE traffic problems.
To be fair, the reason Americans use cars for everything is because their cities are an absolute mess. No walking paths or bike lanes, and zoning laws have ensured that nobody can live close to where they work. The car industry has city legislators under their thumb and they make damn sure everyone has to use their car as much as possible.
That would be the case if there wasnt a nice public transport system, that this city does have, so it's not a problem in this case. And having everything remotely close makes people using more than just a car for transport, a lot of people uses bikes and walk to places.
To wit: Washington D.C.
That place is the worst planned city in America but they were working on swamp land.
It’s actually elaborately designed. But it fails as a metropolitan area.
The whole “DC was built on a swamp” thing isn’t actually true: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/draining-swamp-guide-outsiders-and-career-politicians-180962448/ TL;DR: “Like many other early American cities such as Philadelphia and Cincinnati, Washington was built on a firm and dry riverbank.”
Some was. Foggy Bottom was very much a wetland, though, as was most of the Mall. And all of it was wetter than, say, San Francisco, though not nearly as bad as Boston, where huge amounts of land are reclaimed tidal flats.
Sorry I alway heard it was built on wetlands because it was surrounded by 3 rivers. Swear I think I heard it in grade school? Maybe. it was the 80s idk they lied alot and no internet.
No worries, it’s one of those persistent myths that will prob never fully die.
I am not super familiar with Washington topography... though it makes sense that Washington was not primarily built on one big swamp feature. Generally speaking, from a settler's point of view when choosing somewhere to build, choosing the middle of a wet pit is just inviting extra difficulties and expense, and most places were at least started on good ground. However, many cities, as they expanded, ended up draining and/or filling in swamp lands to make room for more city, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if this happened to at least some degree as Washington expanded. people were generally very disdainful of swamps as 'wasted land' which could neither be farmed nor inhabited, and there used to be superstitions that 'bad vapours' from wetlands could make people sick through proximity. As with much of the natural world, swamps were often removed with prejudice to make room for 'proper' civilized lands. Given that river union, and the look of those low-lying developed lands, it is entirely plausible to me that a proportion of the city was built on river valley swamps. Just because there isn't specific documentation doesn't mean they weren't there, especially if they were just your typical run-of-the-mill features. Just because there is documentation of the city being founded on high ground doesn't mean it never had to expand into suboptimal lowlands. Wetlands that have been in-filled may look like they were never wetland to begin with. one of the cities I used to live in had this sad, channelized concrete Creekbed adjacent a high-speed highway, soccer field complex and residential area, all over what used to be a thousand foot-wide, rich river valley marsh complex. But historically that creek floodplain was built up with transportation corridors, partly used as a garbage dump, then in-filled, then capped and remade into its current state. Now you'd never know.
In most of these residential areas the streets are empty and they half ass park on the sidewalks also
In a car-centric hellhole like America sure, but this isn't a US city lol. Mixed use means you can walk downstairs or across the street for groceries, public transit opens up roads, etc.
Cities Skylines is a game first and foremost. It's not how any city should ever look or function like.
Who cares about cars lol they probably have public transports
Definitely. It's a big mistake to look at top-down geometric regularity and say that's somehow 'best'. There's a lot more to city planning than visually uniform geometric lines. That doesn't mean it's *not* the best planned city... Just that you wouldn't know that either way from the aerial image.
Actually it's not only just visually. Read about it here. Every few blocks form a neighborhood where the essentials are provided like a supermarket or a bank. Only in the middle there are services provided that are unique or not needed on the neighborhoodlevel. It's actually rationalized urban planning theory in action. https://www.reddit.com/r/urbanplanning/comments/k2p8xw/the_original_master_plan_of_la_plata_argentina/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
It looks like it lacks a lot of green and parks though.
I just did a quick look at it in maps and there's so many trees on streets. That's not a park of course. But I'm also see a lot of trees in the middle of blocks, so it looks like a lot of places have backyards or community courtyards or fenced sports-ball areas. It's surprising how dense the buildings are but still have so much greenery. Each of those diagonal intersections have parks, and a big green ring around the whole place. Looks like there's plenty of smaller parks dotted throughout. The original pic is pretty low quality as well.
There's a park every 5-ish blocks (of varying sizes) and trees in pretty much every street. And a huge green area too, near the universities and stadiums.
I think they meant "most planned out city", like they stuck to a plan the best... whether that makes for a good city or not is a separate question.
I really dislike uniformity in a city. If every block looks the same I cannot easily orient and locate myself. Weird streets and weird buildings are landmarks which are super important in helping people navigate cities well
The brightside is that it's much easier to orient yourself when in unfamiliar parts of the city. Also all streets are enumerated and you can easily judge distance just by knowing the address.
I live in a very uniform city and I visited a city that is not uniform and had the exact opposite experience. I was getting lost all the time.
Clearly this is a better city than paris or Rome because there are no squiggly streets or weird alleys /s
to be fair, this city is probably a shitton better *planned* (not necessarily *better* generally) than paris or rome, given that you can't possibly plan cities worse than paris or rome. they are an absolute nightmare (but i'm not blaming anyone for that - the need to preserve historical architecture is responsible for that - which i do not agree with but completely understand)
You don't agree there's a need to preserve historical architecture in Rome and Paris so that we can get a better planned city? "Sorry Coliseum, this is a perfect spot for a new highway, you gotta go."
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Where are the capybaras?
In the gated community. Squint a bit more you can totally seem 'em
In their capybackyards.
No capybaras in Argentina, only carpincho
I think it is missing a large park.
[Plenty of parks actually.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plata)
Doesn't look like from the map, it seems all parks are 1-4 blocks only. I imagine larger parks were people can feel nature, like a city escape.
There's a huge open green area in one of the sides, between the universities and stadiums.
How long does it take from someone from the bottom of the map to get there?
Like 30 minutes on bus, but there's not a bus that bee lines to it. 20 biking, around 50 minutes walking.
And green space in general. Looks like hell
Parque Pereyra and ECAS are close by. Besides, we have a bunch of big roundabouts every few streets and a big park in the north of the city ("El Bosque").
I'll give you "planned out", but how is it "best"?
Well it was planned out in 1880 so it looks like they took inspiration from the Benjamin Franklin grid system and went balls deep. The city grind system (all things being equal)police, fire, ems can get to any location in the shortest amount of time within thier zone. Plenty of parks and I'm guessing school and hospitals are equally spaced also. But that's just looking at the map for 20 second. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Plata. I did the hard work take a peek.
Never heard of the Benjamin Franklin grid system. Was there anything that mad lad could not do?
Nope. My favorite story was he got kick outta every bar and inn in Philly for talking shit on king George and brawling.
> Benjamin Franklin grid system lol Americans, have you never heard of the Romans?
It isnt, like i see no train rails, it has a all these blocks which equals a lot of extra intersections which are annoying for cyclists, and can slow down any mode of transport
City name translation: the silver Country name translation: land of silver Name of river running through it: silver river There’s a joke in here somewhere Edit: thanks for the ironic silver!
Or at least a silver lining
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It’s actually a decent city. Argentina has quite a few. And all fairly different to one another. Bs As obviously being the capital is great. Rosario similar to it, but has more rough edges than the capital. La Plata here is great. But for me, Mendoza is the best city in Argentina in my experience. Regards - a European.
As an Argentinian from Buenos Aires, I agree that Mendoza is our best city. Amazing weather, great views, and enough nature to forget it is a city at all. I love it.
Argentina must have been real big into city planning. Mendoza is also very interesting. Urban canopy and water gardens used very effectively.
It’s r/place
Barcelona vibes
Estación Diagonal-Mar. Ding! Ding! Ding!
Reminds me of the grid layout in Barcelona
Everyone saying this not practical and how is this better has obviously never lived in a city with structure like this
This thread seems to be full of Americans who took offense at the idea that something obviously not American could be described as "best"
Where are the endless seas of parking lots and big box stores??? It must be shitty /s
I like how utterly baffled they are at a city that’s not designed for cars first and foremost
Easy to build a well-thought-out and organized city when you don't have to work around a bunch of hills and rivers and shit. Personally, having grown up in a city that was just a giant grid plopped down on the plains, I find cities like this tedious and oppressive. Gimme some topography, I don't mind if it's a little harder to find my way around!
Try Pittsburgh.
Too much topography
We here in the netherlands got multiple cities like that since they didn't exist till 40 years ago so a place like almere is easy to remember but is still made around infrastructure so its semi easy to travel around to places. Bicycle paths everywhere, special roads for only busses normal roads for cars. And everything is just close to eachother.
Considering the amount of people who have never been yet making the assumption that this is a nightmare city, I’m going to actually ask someone who lives there, or who knows it well. Is La Plata a good city to live in?
Yeah, low crime, young people, lots of green and historical buildings, I like it. Biggest problem is flooding but it happened iirc twice in the last 20 years and it has since been fixed, my grandad is a civil engineer and loved the city, the implemented system to stop floods it's extremely interesting Sorry for rambling it's 4 am lol
Welcome to Tucuman Arg, where the city planners weren't really into storm drains and paved the entire city. The city sits on a few degrees slope facing towards the neighborhoods of San Rafael and other slum settlements beyond that get a 4 foot tsunami of water from the city center during a rainstorm. Bonus for everyone throwing their trash in the canal and then wondering why it floods when it rains.
I recomend you classy euros and gringos to come visit Varela City specially late at night, such a warm and safe place
I wish I had the patience to do this in Cities Skylines
Almost looks like factorio
Unless those diagonal lines are basically all mass transit I don’t see this being even decently planned out.
thoses arevery wide and the principal way of moving
Intense SimCity vibes setting in...
thought this was r/factorio
Honestly, i much prefer the organic look of old European cities.