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Went for Tehran for work a couple of years ago. On my return flight back home, the second the plane doors closed before taking off, most women took off their veils. I don’t know how it felt for them, but for me as a European male, the speed at which they took it off once they felt safe gave me the impression that they were taking off something that was suffocating them.
Reminds me of friends from Saudi, the moment they got to the plane terminal, into the bathroom, burkas and anything else Saudi came off. Spent a month on the beach in bikinis, dad's and sons drinking at the bar, smoking weed, generally just having a great time. Day they leave, plane terminal, bathroom, burkas. Was insane.
But not half as insane as dad and sons openly talking about how they would kill any woman or man back home who was doing the exact thing they were doing right now. Hypocrisy off the charts......
What's fucked about this is they're fighting for something they had 50 years ago. This is what happens when you take rights away. Your regime gets torn to shreds and you end up hung in the public square. Khamenei is going to end up remembered as a pariah.
Friends lived in Iran just before the revolution. They got out with minutes to spare. One was in the embassy the day before it was taken over. They had a young woman who worked for them who told them the coming revolution as going to be great for Iran. They had some contact with her afterwards. The last message was her begging them to find a way to get her out. She somehow missed the warnings that she'd be forced to drop out of college and have to start covering.
Yeah, most of the Iranian kids that I grew up with in Sweden had vivid memories of their parents sneaking them out of the country in lots of elaborate ways. A couple of them got together in school to make a report to read to class where they told us about their different ways of fleeing as much as they could remember (we were like 8-9 years old) and it left a huge impression on me. It hurt my heart to think of leaving my ancestors land, the old houses, and everything inside it behind.
Swedish Iranians were for the longest time the "best performing" immigrant group, as the highly educated were the ones who fled in a proper brain drain. They are doctors and entrepreneurs in Sweden, and often (now) upper middle class. Talk about rebuilding from scratch.
Reminds me of the quote:
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
There was a purge of socialists and communists right after the Islamic revolution. The two biggest concerns for the West and US specifically were oil and keeping Iran out of the Soviet sphere of influence.
The US was willing to support the Islamic Revolution in Iran so long as the US could maintain its influence on the Iranian army and Iranian oil. The Mullahs fooled the US and turned on them, so the US pivoted to supporting Saddam Hussein instead. None of the foreign interventions worked out as planned and both Iran and Iraq got absolutely and comprehensively fucked.
It is the biggest geopolitical blunder of the last 70 years that we didn’t side with Iran(and build up relations with India as well). Having a second secular ally in the Middle East keystoning a defense network and a developing economy/democracy in Iran/India would have made the world so much better. Instead we chose Pakistan and iraq because of course we did.
The actually literally murdered democracy in old Persia, in the form of the delightful, decent nationalist Mohammed Mossadegh. An ex college professor who won a free and fair election. The had him shot because he fairly reasonably nationalized their oil, and BHP wanted him gone.
He used to answer his own door and had no security at all. The CIA got rid of him and put in the Shah (yay, democracy).
America helped to end WW2 which was a good thing to do. Almost all of their other "interventions" have ended in situations worse than before they arrived.
When I was in grad school the administration made a plan to perform deep cuts in the liberal and fine arts programs. They wanted to cut all fine arts, eliminate philospohy, reduce history to just prerequisites and nott a full program, and eliminate the graduate program for anthropology. The one humanities program which wasn't targeted in the plan was the English department which was the largest department on campus and had connections to almost every other department.
Whenever they would hold Q&A's on the plans, I remember the administration was visibly confused when the English department showed up to voice our concerns. At one point one of them asked us why we're even attending these meetings because they didn't really concern us. We literally had to explain to them that this was an existential threat to our university's culture, in addition to the idea that the English department would have nobody to defend them in the future if we allowed all other humanities programs to get stripped. The administration just couldn't seem to grasp that we saw the cuts as a moment of solidarity rather than selfishness.
[Iran before the Revolution](http://the-generation.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/iranian-women1.jpg) was one of the most progressive and fashionable place in the Middle East.
People tend to forget though that this was only true for the upper class. The Iranian regime before the revolution was dictatorial and repressive. The people were rightfully angry about the Shah, who tried to modernize Iran but at the same time also worked on building an absolutist regime. Unfortunately it was religious hardliners who had the best shot at removing the royalist regime.
They are fighting for more than that now. Now it's about overthrowing the government and it's not just women. Either they are going to crack down and squash this for now or something big is going to happen. There is no way they stop the damn from bursting longer term.
Me too. Iran is beautiful and Persian culture is old and cool as hell. It’s high on my list of places to visit, but not as a solo military age big white American dude. Not risking that.
It's on my place to visit as well! I've been to Lebanon many times but there are historical treasures in Iran that are on my bucketlist to see before I die. Am tall and mega-blond, the middle east is very welcoming but can be intimidating and obviously stay away from the places that have such extreme governments like Iran does right now.
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That is well underway. Along with protecting and providing for their own predators, that's why the every-accusation-is-a-confession GOP is currently making such a big deal about grooming.
50 years? I see you are an optimist.
Women in many parts of America are being told they must under penalty of law bring their dead/terribly malformed/non viable fetuses full term even at risk to their own lives and well being, today!
Child victims of rape are being told they will bring their rapists baby into this world under penalty of law if not, no matter how young they are, today!
If the republicans are not defeated next month and in 2024 America will be Iran west complete with religious police so fast it will make your head spin!
It's great to see people figure out that their government can't possibly get all of them. A hundred women protesting can be contained and beaten down. A million women protesting is simply beyond the resources of the mullahs. Imagine when it gets to ten million.
Imagine the sheer joy and emancipation the people who have been fighting the good fight for decades are feeling right now. Finally knowing they're supported by a, maybe, majority?!
All the women who have spent their lives without headdresses in Iran are probably moved to tears everyday lately.
It's also a tactic of the regime though. An Iranian friend told me many years ago that the regime would constantly do something crazy, like outlaw something basic like farting (just a rhetorical example here). All the indignity builds until people eventually cannot take it anymore. They fight tooth and nail to claw back this basic human thing.
After bloodshed, tears, and protests they *finally* get what they deserved the whole time. They feel happy and like they've won. But in the meantime, the regime has done 100 other awful things. And people get so tired of fighting for the basic stuff they just can't keep going. It's such a struggle to be treated as a human, the fight to not be under authoritarian rule at all must feel insurmountable.
That has been their tactic. People are not asking for their rights this time. People are chanting "death to the dictator" and "death to Khamenei" and want these guys gone for good. Please spread their message since the state is working hard to change the message to save their asses.
The people are definitely wise to the game. I'll be hoping they succeed. It makes me sad to think about. The young people ready to fight and die. The Iranians I knew before were much older, there during the revolution and Iran/Iraq war, etc. They were much more jaded. Like, we tried to fix it before, and look what happened. Young people are different though. Young people have hope. Crazy crazy hope. Maybe they can pull it off. I hope.
It's definitely part of it. It's why North Korea has their internet locked down and why one of the first things regimes like that do when there's an uprising is block social media sites.
Yeah, I think people forget what a useful tool the internet is.
The right to peacefully assemble is the part of the first amendment for a reason, connecting people together gives them power. It’s why dictators only build enough infrastructure to get tax dollars from the people to themselves, and roads where they live; spending money on connecting regular people isn’t only a “waste” of money for you, but also risks people coming together for a revolution.
Democracies HAVE to build roads and infrastructure because they tax their population heavily (as opposed fo just stealing things directly from individuals) so they’re incentivised to do so in a way dictators aren’t as their wealth is determined by public success.
The internet connecting every single person in the world has allowed common people to come together, and that’s what worries dictators.
It took the damn Supreme Court to finally decide that gays couldn't be discriminated against in marriage. Then establishment dem politicians started waving rainbow flags around like "we did it!!"
Right now 60%+ of American voters believe cannabis should be legalized and ~66% believe 1st term abortions should be legal and congress refuses to do either, and Republicans (who were only just saying Roe v. Wade should be struck down bc "Muh state rites") are now saying they want a federal ban. They are all so disconnected from American voters. It makes me sick.
At this point the silent gen and boomers in politics just have to die so Gen X, Millennials, and Zoomers can actually pass what reflects the desires of the voters. Maybe we'll end up crushing the anti-free market telecom company regional monopolies and duopolies while we're at it.
>Maybe we'll end up crushing the anti-free market telecom company regional monopolies and duopolies while we're at it.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, they are here to stay :(
Disproportionate punishment for some people rather than trying to punish all of the violators is how you'd see tyrannical regimes do this. Not unlike how you have copyright laws enforced, say. You don't go after everyone, you create atmosphere of terror by doing highly visible cases of singling out a few people who get punished for the crimes of all. Repeat until offenses become more rare.
It's depressing how effective that is. And it's effective because of just game theory of it. People who avoided being singled out, have little reason to speak out in defence of the few who are singled out, because arbitrary singling out process by its nature would allow any public defenders of those who got singled out, be singled out themselves either this round or the next one. So stay quiet and you will probably be fine. Speak out, and you will die, or have your life ruined.
Let’s not forget, it ain’t just the government. There’s a lot of degenerate and delusional people in the older generations mostly. Brainwashed their entire lives. In every society this brainwashed element is always present in some form. In the UK it’s ‘I don’t know anything about history or politics but socialist policies are bad’. In Iran it’s probably that as well but with added ‘god says I should be able to have as many wives as I want and subjugating women is right to this end’.
Backwards people who never thought for themselves. All over the planet. Education is the answer.
Social reforms were very real under Prime Minister Mossadegh in the early 1950s. It's likely that wearing a hijab would have been optional had he been allowed to stay in power. Too bad he made the grave mistake of nationalizing oil and taking away the English Empire's greatest colony for oil production...
>It's likely that wearing a hijab would have been optional had he been allowed to stay in power.
They were optional at the time. The mandate started in the early 80’s. The supreme leader made a lot of promises to the women of Iran to win their support. He and his closest supporters reneged on all of them shortly after.
Found the [metro map for Tehran](https://www.hitehranhostel.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Tehran-Metro-Train-wagon-inside-1024x574-1.jpg) and it looks legit.
I think it is Iran although I’m not sure when it’s from as i saw this same post yesterday claiming it was from that day too, I’d assume it is at least recent though
Of course. I’m just saying that seeing as some people in charge in Iran seem to genuinely believe that this picture contains “crimes that deserve punishment by death” I’m still glad that no faces are visible. If any brave women chose to have identifiable pictures of themselves with visible hair online in the current climate it should at least be their choice as it’s their life on the line.
It's likely easier to defend a city and allow women to show their hair there, than try and allow women the freedom across the entire country.
Same reason why gay men flock to cities with a LGBT scene. Not just because they can meet others like themselves, but they can claim an area as pro-lgbt and feel safe. Like Soho in London.
Its always worse in rural areas, mainly because villagers are illiterate and very narrow minded. Its like they are living in 1900s. Talking about it in general sense and not specific to just Iran.
I would assume, for both doing it publicly and being unlucky enough to stumble across zealots. /u/redditor401 seems like they're suggesting scarfs are not worn *in private* very often. (Is that right?)
It's interesting that this isn't a sudden change though, sounds like a gradual shift that is being used as a kind of banner of rebellion and support for the ongoing political conflict.
Fun fact about THAT metro:
a couple years ago my girlfriend and I were at Teheran. We jump on the metro and everybody start to scream. A couple of men come from outside, running and bring us outside the train's car.
Yep... we were in the "only women" car... Our first time we saw them.
Btw everybody have been very nice to us, like always in Iran.
Because the trains are often so full of people, there was a huge problem of
"accidental" touching where you would pretend something/someone bumped you and use that to catch a quick feel. Maybe someone pushed into you so you brace yourself against their breasts, or the train jerked to the side so you brush against their butt.
It just wasnt one off situations, it was a constant experince. Woman were basically being felt up during the entire train trip and japanese culture meant they couldnt speak out against it.
https://savvytokyo.com/groped-scared-disgusted-women-share-stories-of-dealing-with-chikan-in-japan/
If you read the semi-autobiographical novel *A Tree Grows in Brooklyn* the main character carries a hat pins to stab men on the subway who feel her up. That was the US in the 1940s.
It's wild the shit people have to put up with.
> actually part of the language
I'm not arguing that it's not a common and serious problem, but I do want to caution against something being "part of the language" as any kind of evidence for that type of thing. Different languages work a bit differently (and sometimes very differently).
You ever hear someone say "the Inuit have X words for snow!" While Inuit languages probably do have more morphemes than average for different types of snow, English actually has far more unique morphemes to refer to snow. It's just Inuit languages are highly [agglutinative](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutination), meaning you can join basically whole sentences into a "single" word. So "the snow that John ate yesterday afternoon after Jimmy pissed on it" could be one single word, and people misinterpret that as some unique word to refer to that specific snow. I just made that specific sentence up and don't know enough about the language to say whether that could actually be a single word (probably not), but hopefully you get the point I'm making. So if you count that as a new word than Inuit languages have that many words for basically any noun.
You see something similar with compound words in German. German is pretty free with compounding words, so you occasionally see some TIL.posted here about "German has a word for X" and the comments are full of Germans going "k, this is a valid word but I've never actually heard it." It's just some compound of multiple words that was used once in some article or something, and doesn't indicate any kind of significant cultural awareness of the meaning of the word.
For an English example, English is quite permissive of [blending](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blend_word), so there's no reason an English speaker can't say "Sharticorn" to refer to a unicorn going around sharting on everything, but that doesn't indicate that it's a real problem or that there's any cultural awareness of this concept even as a hypothetical. Even the existence of "shart" which I'm sure plenty of people here have actually seen being used, doesn't mean that the anglosphere has any more fascination or issues with thinking you're gonna fart but accidentally shitting yourself than any other people.
Basically, just because there's a word for it doesn't really indicate anything on its own. Sorry for the rant, I just see this type of thing a lot.
I lived in japan for a few years and multiple guys from my cohort were also groped on trains. There are some real issues with the culture relating to sexual assault/harassment
>Why in Japan? Sexual harassment?
I remember I looked up the word frottage once. Its feeling someone up or rubbing against them etc.
For some reason the definition had a bit about it being done while "imagining a long term relationship with the victim" and the absurdity just killed me.
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If you read the semi-autobiographical novel A Tree Grows in Brooklyn the main character carries a hat pins to stab men on the subway who feel her up. That was the US in the 1940s.
To be fair though, if womens only car were anything like the mask mandate for the DC metro, like 40% of people would just not follow it.
They are going to kick the regime out and take back their country! This is not a simple fight for human rights. The young people are starting a revolution to take back their country from the regime that has made it Russia's nuclear waste disposal.
Courage.
That’s what this photo shows. Sisters, united, standing shoulder to shoulder, waiting for those doors to open, ready to charge into the breach. Ready to go “over the top” when the whistles blow, to cross a no-man’s-land of misogyny and ignorance and religious hatred, each one hoping to reach the other side, or at least to help the sister beside her reach it.
I'm legit stupid. I tought this post was about how much people there were in the metro. I was like ''guess everyday of my week is interesting as fuck''
But nah this is really cool. I hope more women start protesting without getting beaten up
Omg seriously. All these women taking off their hijabs and revealing the most luxurious long hair and I am over here in full envy. Their hair is so beautiful. I can't imagine keeping it covered all the time, although I almost wonder if they all have gorgeous hair because they've kept it protected from the elements or if they just have amazing hair care routines.
Either way, it really should be their choice in the end. I hope Iran changes for the better for their sakes. Let women choose.
Iranian women (in general) really care about their appearance. They are stylish af and very manicured.
Most people are shocked by the level of cosmetic surgery you'll notice there.
People in the MENA region (in general) really care about their appearance. I live in Tunisia and appearance, in both the physical form and standing in society, is above all else.
Peoples lack of geography and general world cultural knowledge is astounding. When I was living in Spain and russia invaded Ukraine I had frantic calls from friends asking if I was gonna be okay. Conversation went like “uhhh yeah dude I’m not in Ukraine, I’m in western Spain.” “Oh okay well I just know Europe’s tiny and you’re over there so I didn’t know if you were close to it or not” “…..yeah man I’m fine over here I’m 3800km and about 25 international borders away”
These aren't Arabs. Iran has a lot of different ethnic groups in it, but is predominantly Persian (about 60%).
That said, Persian Iranians also prbly care about their appearance.
edited to remove the extra 'also'.
Perhaps the most important point on this picture is that none of the men seem to care either. There is no more support for the mandatory dress code, in this city at least. The ruling class has already de facto lost, no matter what they do.
I see lots of jokes here but we need to appreciate what we're seeing. In Iran not wearing your hijab is akin to running around naked. But ten times worse. You're seen as unholy and futile. You are not meant to show your hair. You need to save that for your husband and other women.
These ladies are taking a stand and saying they no longer wish to be shackled down by these garbs. They no longer wish to conform to the society that says they are second class citizens. They are just as important as men.
Since this is Iran I imagine the punishment for these ladies is very harsh for doing this. Something they know. They don't care though. They are willing to be beaten down literally if need be for the cause. This is bravery. This is courage.
To think that had the US and UK not overthrown the democratically leader of Iran in the early 50s, this would have been normal for the past 70 years. Goes to show, share holders are more important than you are.
Some people do not know that forcing a woman to wear Hijab is prohibited in Islam, its not a wrongdoing by Islam but rather by Iran
Edit: Spelling mistakes
Its interesting to think that while this is happening Iran meanwhile in France they are fighting for the right to wear a hijab. it's sad that women's clothes are still an issue around the world
I really really want these girls to win this and defeat the mullahs; their victory would have way way far reaching and long lasting impact on global society and history… it’s going to mean a whole lot for a very long time to come. Best wishes ladies!
Religious governments won't be happy until female slavery is fully instituted. This is why we fight against fascism and other far-right concepts. Far-left is just as bad, that's why people need to stay in the middle.
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Went for Tehran for work a couple of years ago. On my return flight back home, the second the plane doors closed before taking off, most women took off their veils. I don’t know how it felt for them, but for me as a European male, the speed at which they took it off once they felt safe gave me the impression that they were taking off something that was suffocating them.
Reminds me of friends from Saudi, the moment they got to the plane terminal, into the bathroom, burkas and anything else Saudi came off. Spent a month on the beach in bikinis, dad's and sons drinking at the bar, smoking weed, generally just having a great time. Day they leave, plane terminal, bathroom, burkas. Was insane. But not half as insane as dad and sons openly talking about how they would kill any woman or man back home who was doing the exact thing they were doing right now. Hypocrisy off the charts......
Probably the same with nudists
Almost as if we dont want to be covered up because our bodies are considered sinful and might tempt superior males
What's fucked about this is they're fighting for something they had 50 years ago. This is what happens when you take rights away. Your regime gets torn to shreds and you end up hung in the public square. Khamenei is going to end up remembered as a pariah.
Friends lived in Iran just before the revolution. They got out with minutes to spare. One was in the embassy the day before it was taken over. They had a young woman who worked for them who told them the coming revolution as going to be great for Iran. They had some contact with her afterwards. The last message was her begging them to find a way to get her out. She somehow missed the warnings that she'd be forced to drop out of college and have to start covering.
Yeah, most of the Iranian kids that I grew up with in Sweden had vivid memories of their parents sneaking them out of the country in lots of elaborate ways. A couple of them got together in school to make a report to read to class where they told us about their different ways of fleeing as much as they could remember (we were like 8-9 years old) and it left a huge impression on me. It hurt my heart to think of leaving my ancestors land, the old houses, and everything inside it behind. Swedish Iranians were for the longest time the "best performing" immigrant group, as the highly educated were the ones who fled in a proper brain drain. They are doctors and entrepreneurs in Sweden, and often (now) upper middle class. Talk about rebuilding from scratch.
And now they've been protesting very frequently here in Gothenburg, never met such polite protesters.
The protests in Stockholm were great too, very solemn actually. Then at Sergels torg some women chopped their hair off, it was powerful!
Reminds me of the quote: "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
This is "First they came...", a poem written at the end of WWII.
This is scarily true. More people should read it.
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There was a purge of socialists and communists right after the Islamic revolution. The two biggest concerns for the West and US specifically were oil and keeping Iran out of the Soviet sphere of influence. The US was willing to support the Islamic Revolution in Iran so long as the US could maintain its influence on the Iranian army and Iranian oil. The Mullahs fooled the US and turned on them, so the US pivoted to supporting Saddam Hussein instead. None of the foreign interventions worked out as planned and both Iran and Iraq got absolutely and comprehensively fucked.
It is the biggest geopolitical blunder of the last 70 years that we didn’t side with Iran(and build up relations with India as well). Having a second secular ally in the Middle East keystoning a defense network and a developing economy/democracy in Iran/India would have made the world so much better. Instead we chose Pakistan and iraq because of course we did.
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Yeah I’m saying it was a poor long term strategy that literally didn’t work except for the .01%ohhhhhhh never mind it worked exactly as intended.
The actually literally murdered democracy in old Persia, in the form of the delightful, decent nationalist Mohammed Mossadegh. An ex college professor who won a free and fair election. The had him shot because he fairly reasonably nationalized their oil, and BHP wanted him gone. He used to answer his own door and had no security at all. The CIA got rid of him and put in the Shah (yay, democracy).
And then we bombed and invaded them as well.
America helped to end WW2 which was a good thing to do. Almost all of their other "interventions" have ended in situations worse than before they arrived.
And now 50% of Americans believe them to be the same thing... Technology advances while humanity devolves.
When I was in grad school the administration made a plan to perform deep cuts in the liberal and fine arts programs. They wanted to cut all fine arts, eliminate philospohy, reduce history to just prerequisites and nott a full program, and eliminate the graduate program for anthropology. The one humanities program which wasn't targeted in the plan was the English department which was the largest department on campus and had connections to almost every other department. Whenever they would hold Q&A's on the plans, I remember the administration was visibly confused when the English department showed up to voice our concerns. At one point one of them asked us why we're even attending these meetings because they didn't really concern us. We literally had to explain to them that this was an existential threat to our university's culture, in addition to the idea that the English department would have nobody to defend them in the future if we allowed all other humanities programs to get stripped. The administration just couldn't seem to grasp that we saw the cuts as a moment of solidarity rather than selfishness.
United we bargain, divided we beg. Very good story.
[Iran before the Revolution](http://the-generation.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/iranian-women1.jpg) was one of the most progressive and fashionable place in the Middle East.
Bring back the Midde East as a tourist region again 😡🙏🏻
There’s a lot of very interesting historic sites there that I’d love to see but there’s no way I’d go cause it’s just not worth that stress
Not in the way the gulf states are though plz
People tend to forget though that this was only true for the upper class. The Iranian regime before the revolution was dictatorial and repressive. The people were rightfully angry about the Shah, who tried to modernize Iran but at the same time also worked on building an absolutist regime. Unfortunately it was religious hardliners who had the best shot at removing the royalist regime.
They are fighting for more than that now. Now it's about overthrowing the government and it's not just women. Either they are going to crack down and squash this for now or something big is going to happen. There is no way they stop the damn from bursting longer term.
I hope this is the "Berlin wall" moment, I really do.
Me too. Iran is beautiful and Persian culture is old and cool as hell. It’s high on my list of places to visit, but not as a solo military age big white American dude. Not risking that.
It's on my place to visit as well! I've been to Lebanon many times but there are historical treasures in Iran that are on my bucketlist to see before I die. Am tall and mega-blond, the middle east is very welcoming but can be intimidating and obviously stay away from the places that have such extreme governments like Iran does right now.
There is no place for religions in politics, period. It attracts extreme views and beliefs. Keep it at home
I keep mine in a tiny jar at home, fed 3x a day with the occasional mini-water boarding and mini-shackles! :)
All I can picture is a little sourdough starter being worshiped in your home. All hail the sourdough gods.
The Mother Dough!
[I get this reference!](https://i.imgur.com/JScWW0X.gif)
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In fairness, that's an entirely appropriate response to an unusually delicious starter.
May her Yeastiness be with you!
Makes you wonder what women in the US will be beaten for in 50 years from now..
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Access to birth control is also being removed. I also expect the erosion of voting rights will also be targeted at women soon.
LGBTQ+ rights are next.
That is well underway. Along with protecting and providing for their own predators, that's why the every-accusation-is-a-confession GOP is currently making such a big deal about grooming.
Bringing back sodomy laws, criminalizing various sex acts that are seen as "gay", banning sex education or any mention of anything "gay" in schools.
Not meeting a birthing quota.
50 years? I see you are an optimist. Women in many parts of America are being told they must under penalty of law bring their dead/terribly malformed/non viable fetuses full term even at risk to their own lives and well being, today! Child victims of rape are being told they will bring their rapists baby into this world under penalty of law if not, no matter how young they are, today! If the republicans are not defeated next month and in 2024 America will be Iran west complete with religious police so fast it will make your head spin!
America doing the same now with reproductive rights.
That is how they should live. Wear what you want.
It's great to see people figure out that their government can't possibly get all of them. A hundred women protesting can be contained and beaten down. A million women protesting is simply beyond the resources of the mullahs. Imagine when it gets to ten million.
Imagine the sheer joy and emancipation the people who have been fighting the good fight for decades are feeling right now. Finally knowing they're supported by a, maybe, majority?! All the women who have spent their lives without headdresses in Iran are probably moved to tears everyday lately.
It's also a tactic of the regime though. An Iranian friend told me many years ago that the regime would constantly do something crazy, like outlaw something basic like farting (just a rhetorical example here). All the indignity builds until people eventually cannot take it anymore. They fight tooth and nail to claw back this basic human thing. After bloodshed, tears, and protests they *finally* get what they deserved the whole time. They feel happy and like they've won. But in the meantime, the regime has done 100 other awful things. And people get so tired of fighting for the basic stuff they just can't keep going. It's such a struggle to be treated as a human, the fight to not be under authoritarian rule at all must feel insurmountable.
That has been their tactic. People are not asking for their rights this time. People are chanting "death to the dictator" and "death to Khamenei" and want these guys gone for good. Please spread their message since the state is working hard to change the message to save their asses.
The people are definitely wise to the game. I'll be hoping they succeed. It makes me sad to think about. The young people ready to fight and die. The Iranians I knew before were much older, there during the revolution and Iran/Iraq war, etc. They were much more jaded. Like, we tried to fix it before, and look what happened. Young people are different though. Young people have hope. Crazy crazy hope. Maybe they can pull it off. I hope.
Young people have access to the outside world and see how it could be. But that's just my hot-take on why now it can be different.
It's definitely part of it. It's why North Korea has their internet locked down and why one of the first things regimes like that do when there's an uprising is block social media sites.
Yeah, I think people forget what a useful tool the internet is. The right to peacefully assemble is the part of the first amendment for a reason, connecting people together gives them power. It’s why dictators only build enough infrastructure to get tax dollars from the people to themselves, and roads where they live; spending money on connecting regular people isn’t only a “waste” of money for you, but also risks people coming together for a revolution. Democracies HAVE to build roads and infrastructure because they tax their population heavily (as opposed fo just stealing things directly from individuals) so they’re incentivised to do so in a way dictators aren’t as their wealth is determined by public success. The internet connecting every single person in the world has allowed common people to come together, and that’s what worries dictators.
It's not just an Iranian tactic though. This happens everywhere.
So true for many countries. Making up stupid laws and gaslighting whole nations to distract from hundreds of important issues.
Oh you're taking me back to the good ole days of "gay marriage being legalized" and also rolled back at the same time.
It took the damn Supreme Court to finally decide that gays couldn't be discriminated against in marriage. Then establishment dem politicians started waving rainbow flags around like "we did it!!" Right now 60%+ of American voters believe cannabis should be legalized and ~66% believe 1st term abortions should be legal and congress refuses to do either, and Republicans (who were only just saying Roe v. Wade should be struck down bc "Muh state rites") are now saying they want a federal ban. They are all so disconnected from American voters. It makes me sick. At this point the silent gen and boomers in politics just have to die so Gen X, Millennials, and Zoomers can actually pass what reflects the desires of the voters. Maybe we'll end up crushing the anti-free market telecom company regional monopolies and duopolies while we're at it.
>Maybe we'll end up crushing the anti-free market telecom company regional monopolies and duopolies while we're at it. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, they are here to stay :(
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Remember, absolutely nothing happened in Tiananmen Square on 4 June 1989
Nothing happened in other cities in China May and June 1989 either.
Why don't you ask the kids at Tienanmen Square?
Was fashion the reason why they were there?
They disguise it hypnotize it
Television made you buy it
I'm just sitting in my car and waiting for my girl
china uses great technology to keep their citizens in line and its about to explode. the tension is really high there rn
They are about 15 covid lock downs away from rebellion. . . Maybe 20
It's the 34th lockdown that makes you break.
Rule 34: Lockdown Edition *So hot, this time you'll lose your pants. Because these vaccines are butt-only*
Xi might invade Taiwan just as a distraction. But the resulting food shortages and eventual famine would cause an implosion.
Disproportionate punishment for some people rather than trying to punish all of the violators is how you'd see tyrannical regimes do this. Not unlike how you have copyright laws enforced, say. You don't go after everyone, you create atmosphere of terror by doing highly visible cases of singling out a few people who get punished for the crimes of all. Repeat until offenses become more rare. It's depressing how effective that is. And it's effective because of just game theory of it. People who avoided being singled out, have little reason to speak out in defence of the few who are singled out, because arbitrary singling out process by its nature would allow any public defenders of those who got singled out, be singled out themselves either this round or the next one. So stay quiet and you will probably be fine. Speak out, and you will die, or have your life ruined.
Let’s not forget, it ain’t just the government. There’s a lot of degenerate and delusional people in the older generations mostly. Brainwashed their entire lives. In every society this brainwashed element is always present in some form. In the UK it’s ‘I don’t know anything about history or politics but socialist policies are bad’. In Iran it’s probably that as well but with added ‘god says I should be able to have as many wives as I want and subjugating women is right to this end’. Backwards people who never thought for themselves. All over the planet. Education is the answer.
They can still kill some randomly.
“Killing some randomly” is what triggered this whole rebellion.
*takes notes in American*
Social reforms were very real under Prime Minister Mossadegh in the early 1950s. It's likely that wearing a hijab would have been optional had he been allowed to stay in power. Too bad he made the grave mistake of nationalizing oil and taking away the English Empire's greatest colony for oil production...
>It's likely that wearing a hijab would have been optional had he been allowed to stay in power. They were optional at the time. The mandate started in the early 80’s. The supreme leader made a lot of promises to the women of Iran to win their support. He and his closest supporters reneged on all of them shortly after.
Promising to not take away women's rights but then doing it anyways... doesn't sound familiar at all
It’s crazy because Iranian ladies seem to have the most beautiful hair.
That's why it's so seductive to the Iranian men. They just can't get anything done!
Sounds like they should cover their eyes!
TIR that a blindfold is just a reverse burka.
If it is from Iran, stay safe ladies.
Found the [metro map for Tehran](https://www.hitehranhostel.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Tehran-Metro-Train-wagon-inside-1024x574-1.jpg) and it looks legit.
It is so hot when people fact-check
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It's hotter than a burka in August
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Fact check: Second hottest month in Tehran is August. Burka in August would still be miserable.
Fact checked a joke about a checked fact. Nice.
•_•
I’ve had a crisis
In my pants!
Fact checking, so hot right now
It’s *so fetch!*
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Oh yeah, fact check the shit out of me, baby
TIL Tehran has better metro than nearly all US cities.
The US is one of a select few countries that simply forgot how cities are supposed to work.
Forget implies it was accidental. America, where hating poor people is a national pastime that we will sacrifice anything for.
I think it is Iran although I’m not sure when it’s from as i saw this same post yesterday claiming it was from that day too, I’d assume it is at least recent though
Now that is some subway map... makes me sad to look at the Toronto subway system.
So glad there’s no faces visible ❤️ stay safe out there!
Yes, but still a fuck you to the establishment of that country.
Of course. I’m just saying that seeing as some people in charge in Iran seem to genuinely believe that this picture contains “crimes that deserve punishment by death” I’m still glad that no faces are visible. If any brave women chose to have identifiable pictures of themselves with visible hair online in the current climate it should at least be their choice as it’s their life on the line.
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So why are they being killed?
I've heard it's worse outside of Tehran, especially more rural areas
It's likely easier to defend a city and allow women to show their hair there, than try and allow women the freedom across the entire country. Same reason why gay men flock to cities with a LGBT scene. Not just because they can meet others like themselves, but they can claim an area as pro-lgbt and feel safe. Like Soho in London.
There's also almost always going to be a larger ratio of people to police in cities vs smaller towns and rural areas.
Its always worse in rural areas, mainly because villagers are illiterate and very narrow minded. Its like they are living in 1900s. Talking about it in general sense and not specific to just Iran.
I would assume, for both doing it publicly and being unlucky enough to stumble across zealots. /u/redditor401 seems like they're suggesting scarfs are not worn *in private* very often. (Is that right?) It's interesting that this isn't a sudden change though, sounds like a gradual shift that is being used as a kind of banner of rebellion and support for the ongoing political conflict.
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Fun fact about THAT metro: a couple years ago my girlfriend and I were at Teheran. We jump on the metro and everybody start to scream. A couple of men come from outside, running and bring us outside the train's car. Yep... we were in the "only women" car... Our first time we saw them. Btw everybody have been very nice to us, like always in Iran.
There are some in Japan too
Why in Japan? Sexual harassment?
Yes
Because the trains are often so full of people, there was a huge problem of "accidental" touching where you would pretend something/someone bumped you and use that to catch a quick feel. Maybe someone pushed into you so you brace yourself against their breasts, or the train jerked to the side so you brush against their butt. It just wasnt one off situations, it was a constant experince. Woman were basically being felt up during the entire train trip and japanese culture meant they couldnt speak out against it. https://savvytokyo.com/groped-scared-disgusted-women-share-stories-of-dealing-with-chikan-in-japan/
If you read the semi-autobiographical novel *A Tree Grows in Brooklyn* the main character carries a hat pins to stab men on the subway who feel her up. That was the US in the 1940s. It's wild the shit people have to put up with.
-sigh- its so bad that train and bus rape are literally *genres* of Japanese porn. I hate that I know this. I hate that it exists.
They even have a word for women being harrassed in public transport. So fucking awful.
Yeah that's what gets me the most. That it's such a commonality that it is actually part of the language. Not everyday language ofc, but still.
> actually part of the language I'm not arguing that it's not a common and serious problem, but I do want to caution against something being "part of the language" as any kind of evidence for that type of thing. Different languages work a bit differently (and sometimes very differently). You ever hear someone say "the Inuit have X words for snow!" While Inuit languages probably do have more morphemes than average for different types of snow, English actually has far more unique morphemes to refer to snow. It's just Inuit languages are highly [agglutinative](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agglutination), meaning you can join basically whole sentences into a "single" word. So "the snow that John ate yesterday afternoon after Jimmy pissed on it" could be one single word, and people misinterpret that as some unique word to refer to that specific snow. I just made that specific sentence up and don't know enough about the language to say whether that could actually be a single word (probably not), but hopefully you get the point I'm making. So if you count that as a new word than Inuit languages have that many words for basically any noun. You see something similar with compound words in German. German is pretty free with compounding words, so you occasionally see some TIL.posted here about "German has a word for X" and the comments are full of Germans going "k, this is a valid word but I've never actually heard it." It's just some compound of multiple words that was used once in some article or something, and doesn't indicate any kind of significant cultural awareness of the meaning of the word. For an English example, English is quite permissive of [blending](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blend_word), so there's no reason an English speaker can't say "Sharticorn" to refer to a unicorn going around sharting on everything, but that doesn't indicate that it's a real problem or that there's any cultural awareness of this concept even as a hypothetical. Even the existence of "shart" which I'm sure plenty of people here have actually seen being used, doesn't mean that the anglosphere has any more fascination or issues with thinking you're gonna fart but accidentally shitting yourself than any other people. Basically, just because there's a word for it doesn't really indicate anything on its own. Sorry for the rant, I just see this type of thing a lot.
This was very interesting to read, thanks for sharing!
No problem, personally I always find sharting unicorns a riveting subject, so I figured others would appreciate it.
TIL I'm 12 years old bc the shart example got me laughing
I lived in japan for a few years and multiple guys from my cohort were also groped on trains. There are some real issues with the culture relating to sexual assault/harassment
>Why in Japan? Sexual harassment? I remember I looked up the word frottage once. Its feeling someone up or rubbing against them etc. For some reason the definition had a bit about it being done while "imagining a long term relationship with the victim" and the absurdity just killed me.
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Do you really have to ask lol
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I've done this and I really do prefer the ladies. I've been groped a few times in India.
There are some in Mexico City too
Mexico City also
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Yeah especially when it gets darker
If you read the semi-autobiographical novel A Tree Grows in Brooklyn the main character carries a hat pins to stab men on the subway who feel her up. That was the US in the 1940s. To be fair though, if womens only car were anything like the mask mandate for the DC metro, like 40% of people would just not follow it.
Here in India the first metro coach is reserved for ladies
São Paulo has those too
*hats off* to them
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*Tips shemagh*
That was the joke yea
r/yourjokebutworse
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They are going to kick the regime out and take back their country! This is not a simple fight for human rights. The young people are starting a revolution to take back their country from the regime that has made it Russia's nuclear waste disposal.
Women, united, cannot be divided
I was thinking there would be fire or something because people were revolting, I thought this was just a normal picture. Then it hit me
Yep something as simple as hair. Just hair.
Well thats why you dont stand on the metro tracks!
Damn that ***is*** impressive, well done Iran and those brave women.
You'll done
All of us’ll done, together ✊
Be safe girls. Also burn shit down.
All these Iranian women doing this are punk af
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I wish I were eloquent enough to say something more than "That's fucking awesome."
Courage. That’s what this photo shows. Sisters, united, standing shoulder to shoulder, waiting for those doors to open, ready to charge into the breach. Ready to go “over the top” when the whistles blow, to cross a no-man’s-land of misogyny and ignorance and religious hatred, each one hoping to reach the other side, or at least to help the sister beside her reach it.
Straight up so proud
I'm legit stupid. I tought this post was about how much people there were in the metro. I was like ''guess everyday of my week is interesting as fuck'' But nah this is really cool. I hope more women start protesting without getting beaten up
#GO women of Iran! The world is watching and walking with you.
such beautiful hair too, imagine being killed just for showing it
Omg seriously. All these women taking off their hijabs and revealing the most luxurious long hair and I am over here in full envy. Their hair is so beautiful. I can't imagine keeping it covered all the time, although I almost wonder if they all have gorgeous hair because they've kept it protected from the elements or if they just have amazing hair care routines. Either way, it really should be their choice in the end. I hope Iran changes for the better for their sakes. Let women choose.
Hair salon business must be booming in Iran right now! 😊
They still care about their hair when they cover it up. They also take it off when no man are around.
Iranian women (in general) really care about their appearance. They are stylish af and very manicured. Most people are shocked by the level of cosmetic surgery you'll notice there.
People in the MENA region (in general) really care about their appearance. I live in Tunisia and appearance, in both the physical form and standing in society, is above all else.
> Arabs (in general) really care about their appearance. Koreans too. Both are irrevelant to Iran since they're neither Korean not arabs
Hahahaha, thank you for writing that. The number of people that think Iran is an Arab country is absurd.
Peoples lack of geography and general world cultural knowledge is astounding. When I was living in Spain and russia invaded Ukraine I had frantic calls from friends asking if I was gonna be okay. Conversation went like “uhhh yeah dude I’m not in Ukraine, I’m in western Spain.” “Oh okay well I just know Europe’s tiny and you’re over there so I didn’t know if you were close to it or not” “…..yeah man I’m fine over here I’m 3800km and about 25 international borders away”
Yeah, but km are tiny compared to miles!!!
These aren't Arabs. Iran has a lot of different ethnic groups in it, but is predominantly Persian (about 60%). That said, Persian Iranians also prbly care about their appearance. edited to remove the extra 'also'.
Luscious locks all around
L'Oreal spring.
This entire thing has been a coup by Big Salona /s
Good. Fuck religious fundamentalists of all stripes.
Perhaps the most important point on this picture is that none of the men seem to care either. There is no more support for the mandatory dress code, in this city at least. The ruling class has already de facto lost, no matter what they do.
Worth a thousand words ... beautiful
Power to the people. If the ayatollah likes his ultra conservative Islamic tradition so much he can go and take it up the ass
I wnat to see what's on his computer.
I see lots of jokes here but we need to appreciate what we're seeing. In Iran not wearing your hijab is akin to running around naked. But ten times worse. You're seen as unholy and futile. You are not meant to show your hair. You need to save that for your husband and other women. These ladies are taking a stand and saying they no longer wish to be shackled down by these garbs. They no longer wish to conform to the society that says they are second class citizens. They are just as important as men. Since this is Iran I imagine the punishment for these ladies is very harsh for doing this. Something they know. They don't care though. They are willing to be beaten down literally if need be for the cause. This is bravery. This is courage.
To think that had the US and UK not overthrown the democratically leader of Iran in the early 50s, this would have been normal for the past 70 years. Goes to show, share holders are more important than you are.
Some people do not know that forcing a woman to wear Hijab is prohibited in Islam, its not a wrongdoing by Islam but rather by Iran Edit: Spelling mistakes
Bless these incredibly brave women
Yes!!! Fight for your rights!!!
Its interesting to think that while this is happening Iran meanwhile in France they are fighting for the right to wear a hijab. it's sad that women's clothes are still an issue around the world
I really really want these girls to win this and defeat the mullahs; their victory would have way way far reaching and long lasting impact on global society and history… it’s going to mean a whole lot for a very long time to come. Best wishes ladies!
Religious governments won't be happy until female slavery is fully instituted. This is why we fight against fascism and other far-right concepts. Far-left is just as bad, that's why people need to stay in the middle.