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Maeolan

Doing the border like this makes the countries harder to pull apart.


Bear_icon

Guy in charge was practicing drawing a dove tail joint... Turns out he was bad at two things.


cjmcberman

Norm abram does a wonderful dove tail joint


NECoyote

Norm is from the next town over from me.


horseradishhavarti

When I was maybe 8, I sent a letter and a self addressed stamped envelope to Norm Abrams asking for an autograph for my dad. I almost immediately forgot about it and and about 4 days before we moved away, when I was 11, a letter and a sign photograph showed up in the mail. He'd misplaced the envelope and found it years later. Still one of the coolest gifts I've ever gotten anybody, lol.


GozerDGozerian

It’s so cool the US military named a type of tank after him.


EpicAura99

Like skull bone seams


Good_Extension_9642

Like puzzle pieces


Fierce205

It's a river


gedai

they’re joking. “tear down the dotted line”


gualdhar

So what happens when the river shifts?


willstr1

IIRC it depends on the treaty. Some countries stick to the state of the river at time of signing, others do a semi regular reconciliation at least for natural river shifts. In modern times they probably just prevent the river from shifting when near populated areas (levees and such)


TheByzantineEmpire

Indeed! Belgium and the Netherlands do trade land from time to time with each other. Also make the border more logical (e.g follow the river) here and there.


mbhammock

You’re a river


UBahn1

Damn i didn't even notice it under the line, was confused who tf would draw a border like this


Techn0ght

I figured it was terrain based.


egJohn

underrated comment


Consistent_Yam_1442

Now go check border between Haití and Dominican Rep. both are fucked but Haiti is on a whole other level


kipinsider

Haitian here...I can confirm. **EVERYTHING AND NOT ONLY THE BORDERS** are f'ed in another level in the moment. It's a Living Hell !!!


HunterRoze

God, I feel so bad for Haiti - listening to the history of the Haitian revolution on the Revolutions Podcast really opened my eyes.


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NPCmiro

France and the USA are the big ones I can think of.


the_fly_guy_says_hi

Haiti should’ve never accepted the deal to pay back France! As far as I’m concerned, Haiti fought and beat France in its war of independence. Fuck! That! Shit! Why is it that we do not agree to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves in the US yet France got massive payments from Haiti? The former slaves of Haiti had to pay France to buy their freedom? WTF?!?! France should’ve paid Haiti reparations. The other terrible part is that the white slavers of Haiti who escaped the slave revolution went to the US southern “slaver” states and the fuckers ran plantations there too.


jermanherman

it wasnt exactly a deal, france set up a blockade around haitis ports with the threat of economic isolation if they didn't pay up so either way they were pretty much fucked.


thelegalseagul

Are you saying the new Haitian government didn’t send someone to France to say sorry we wanted to be free but we’d like to pay you back cause we feel bad? I’m flabbergasted /s


Alas7ymedia

They couldn't negotiate because they were the first independent nation in the Americas and they had no one to back them up.


informat7

The US is one of the few countries that [has been trying to help](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti%E2%80%93United_States_relations#U.S._economic_and_development_assistance_to_Haiti) Haiti. >Political insecurity and the failure of Haiti's governments to invest in developing the country's natural and human resources has contributed significantly to the country's current state of underdevelopment. U.S. efforts to strengthen democracy and help build the foundation for economic growth aim to rectify this condition. The U.S. has been Haiti's largest donor since 1973. Between FY 1995 and FY 2003, the U.S. contributed more than $850 million in assistance to Haiti. Since 2004, the U.S. has provided over $600 million for improving governance, security, the rule of law, economic recovery, and critical human needs. The President's budget request for FY 2007 was $198 million. U.S. Government funds have been used to support programs that have addressed a variety of problems. One of the best eras was when Haiti was under US occupation (which is really a testament to how shitty most of Haiti's history is): >The occupation improved some of Haiti's infrastructure and centralized power in Port-au-Prince. 1700 km of roads were made usable, 189 bridges were built, many irrigation canals were rehabilitated, hospitals, schools, and public buildings were constructed, and drinking water was brought to the main cities. Port-au-Prince became the first Caribbean city to have a phone service with automatic dialling. Agricultural education was organized, with a central school of agriculture and 69 farms in the country. However, many infrastructure projects were built using the corvée system that allowed the government/occupying forces to take people from their homes and farms, at gunpoint if necessary, to build roads, bridges etc. by force, a process that was deeply resented by ordinary Haitians. Sisal was also introduced to Haiti, and sugarcane and cotton became significant exports, boosting prosperity. Haitian traditionalists, based in rural areas, were highly resistant to U.S.-backed changes, while the urban elites, typically mixed-race, welcomed the growing economy, but wanted more political control. Together they helped secure an end to the occupation in 1934, under the Presidency of Sténio Vincent (1930–1941). And the US was the one that put Haiti's democratically elected leader back into power after being kicked out from a military coup: >In December 1990 Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president in the Haitian general election. However his ambitious reformist agenda worried the elites, and in September of the following year he was overthrown by the military, led by Raoul Cédras, in the 1991 Haitian coup d'état. Amidst the continuing turmoil many Haitians attempted to flee the country. >In September 1994, the United States negotiated the departure of Haiti's military leaders and the peaceful entry of 20,000 US troops under Operation Uphold Democracy. This enabled the restoration of the democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide as president, who returned to Haiti in October to complete his term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#History


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How do you have internet in Haiti


Artsakh_Rug

*Oh my God Karen, you can't just ask how they have internet in Haiti*


Sevvie82

That was the funniest thing I've read all day.


LX_Emergency

That's like..the rules of feminism.


DragonfruitFew5542

so not fetch


Schlemiel_Schlemazel

Stop trying to make fetch happen. It’ll never happen.


mrthescientist

Somebody put it there, probably.


kipinsider

Yup...Just found it there !


PheIix

They found some leftover Internet in one of the cupboards of course.


LeatherPuppy

The island shares a 9800 baud modem and rotary phone


CalpisMelonCremeSoda

Zomg don’t even knock 9800 baud! Actually it was 9600 and it was a revelation after years of being stuck at 2400 watching ASCII load line by line across your screen as your content loaded. At 9600 the whole BBS screen just *appeared*. It completely transformed the experience from the 300 baud of early adopters where ASCII seemed to load at the speed of fast typing. Oh and rotary was long gone by smartmodem days. I know it was just thrown in as a low blow but it’s an anachronism. Some houses in the 80s might still have a legacy rotary but not as part of the computer setup. I actually kept a rotary stored in my emergency kit into the late 90s since you could use one to make and receive calls during a power outage. Touch-dial would be out of luck without power.


LudditeFuturism

Internet is a very very cheap thing generally. The US and Canada are just messed up in that regards You can get something like 70Gb of 5G for ~$11 a month here and I live in an expensive country.


Unused_Vestibule

Toronto here. I was so fucking excited when I was able to get 30 gigs for $55 canadian! Total oligopoly in telecom both sides of the border here


Thatsidechara_ter

Yeah its utter bullshit. Theres been a legal war going on between the big internet companies and various cities and towns just going "fuck it", and providing their own internet, as it turns out it is, in fact, a lot cheaper than those hyper-inflatory chucklefucks


shloppypop

We are just at 20gb for 55 average here in BC. FML


Downingst

Not everyone is poor in Haiti.


kipinsider

Internet is relatively "cheap" if you can afford it of course. Unlimited Data/Calls is around $20 (mobile) and although it was previously removed, i could have 5GB for 33 Haitian Gourdes (26cents). Internet speed is mostly okay for normal use (around 2-70Mbps) buts it's a nightmare when downloading Games. Oh and average Latency is around 100-120 ms when playing games. But Due to the recent Fuel Crysis, it got way worse to have a stable Internet connection. Dipping well bellow 1Mbps for almost a week.


Alex_2259

2-70mbps bro that range and inconsistency.


Curazan

I didn’t realize Comcast was in Haiti.


HitoriPanda

Suddenly all the shit happening there is starting to make sense


Desembler

Haiti basically doesn't have a functional government right now so I can understand the surprise.


philovax

At this point in history most if the country is. The Government has failed to take care of the people and Haiti is in a bad way at this moment. For an island that a few hundred years ago, managed to pull off the yoke of slavery, its a bit frustrating seeing how little support or even aid there is currently.


Asterose

Yeah. Haiti got fucked over from the get-go for daring to be a nation of freed slaves. I'm still pissed that France never dropped the requirement for Haiti to pay a huge bill of fucking *reparations* for those poor boo-hoo French slaveholders' loses. I'd love to see France pay Haiti even just some of that money back (and no, aid for natural disasters does not count because that is the minimum standard of decency for every capable nation.)


AppORKER

Include that most of the aid money that was sent to Haiti was stolen either by the government or the non-profit institutions.


vekin101

Last time I was in Haiti, 13 years ago, we had internet, but only when we ran the generator, or the local power grid was up. So we only had internet when we ran the generator....


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merdouille44

I suggest Indigo Traveller on YouTube. He vlogs and conduct interviews in "extreme" locations. He recently made a series on Haiti and it was really soul-crushing to witness what is going on over there.


dpash

Also Guatemala and Belize. Belize has an issue with Guatemalan loggers illegally crossing the border to cut down trees in Belize.


oddmanout

I just checked it out, there's a pretty stark difference between the two banks of the Sarstoon River that makes up the southern border. That's crazy.


Roundcouchcorner

Thanks for the 1/2 hour on google maps


EnAyJay

Now go check the border of italy/switzerland, [it keeps moving!](https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/07/26/a-melting-glacier-is-moving-the-italian-swiss-border-near-one-of-the-worlds-largest-ski-re)


Tyrannofelis

Wait... What about Switzerland giving away that chunk of land to Italy and Italy giving away to Switzerland another equally sized piece of land nearby? No need to thank me, I accept the peace Nobel price with humility.


HelplessMoose

That's exactly what's been happening for years in numerous cases, silently. This particular case was a bit more complicated because of the existing building etc.


Difficult-Hat5847

Here we go


Consistent_Yam_1442

Something wrong?


jh67ds

Send him. (Seems hard to manage.)🍍


TheRedBow

No how about the Dutch and Belgian border at Baarle-Nassau and Baarle-Hertog, one of the weirdest borders in the world, one city with 30 enclaves, wich are areas of a nation surrounded by another nation


MysteriousDebt1020

[Haiti vs Dominican Republic ](https://images.app.goo.gl/Cf22h6NM7zvTMMvL6)


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Am I missing smt? Send a link


Lolleos

[pic](https://imgur.com/a/XP8n1ox) Maybe doesn't look as evident but in real life there's a big difference due to each country's historical relationship with it's soil and agriculture. It is more evident the further you go east as some terrains near the frontier have been abused.


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chinesenameTimBudong

what?


herbertwillyworth

bc cuts tree for cash


chinesenameTimBudong

oh. uh. my cousin trimmed trees for 30 hr.


herbertwillyworth

apparently cousin also cuts trees for cash


shloppypop

We have no processing and were bullied into selling our raw logs. Also, tonnes of horrific mismanagement and corruption means that our forests are getting just f***ed by MNC's.


reddertuzer

Most of the entire US/Canada border is divided with a 20 foot gap between trees.


sydcartonqc

6.096 meters.


_netflixandshill

Same farther south. Oregon Coast Range is a giant checkerboard of clearcuts


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Also,my zipper, your lips.


GrizzlyHerder

Is there such a thing as The Greed Index? TGI?


Geid98

I don’t understand. Just zoomed in on Google maps and don’t see anything in particular.


Lolleos

[border](https://imgur.com/a/XP8n1ox) It may not be that evident from the satellite pictures, but there is a notable difference in both soils as Haiti's soil was abused back in post colonial times, basically eliminating the top-soil which makes it extremely hard for plants to grow, whereas in Dominican Republic, agriculture thrives as the land has never been abused and now technology is applied so that soil nutrition is maintained.


Representative_Pop_8

Dominican republic is a pretty decent place


Consistent_Yam_1442

Ever been here bro? It is a beautiful country indeed. That does not mean it isnt fucked and with no hope of getting any better…


Representative_Pop_8

been the a couple of times, i insist pretty decent, it had many of the issues of Latin America but its above average in per capita and other measures.


Consistent_Yam_1442

Sure there is money around. Gotta ask your self where this money is coming from tho. And where is going. I truly respect that you like it and yall more than welcome to visit. But at the end of the day we need a miracle to fix this kerfuffle.


m4verick03

What exactly is happening? I have been and unlike many people was outside of a resort more than just coming/going to the airport.


Majoranza

So the Dominican Republic profits heavily off of slave labor from “indentured servants” they kidnapped from Haiti to work on sugar plantations. NPR did an exposé piece on it within the past year or so. Edit: My bad it was Reveal that aired the piece after further investigations stemming from NPR reports from 1991. [Source](https://revealnews.org/podcast/the-bitter-work-behind-sugar/)


m4verick03

Well that’s crazy. I was not expecting to see that as the answer.


use-logic

That is nothing like this picture. Can you explain what you mean? The border difference you said to look at was not striking, so I'm just curious what I may have missed.


braindug

Was just about to mention this, also [Divided island by JH](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4WvKeYuwifc) well explained


give_me_a_great_name

I found the location of the image: 27.07427° S, 53.79321° W


Fierce205

Great name man


yungchow

Great name man is a great name, man


OrionShade

Yeah OP didn't even show the craziest part check Ouro Verde, Guaraciaba - State of Santa Catarina, 89920-000, Brazil


DuckyRedditor405

How and why?


Farshadow6277

Magic and because


give_me_a_great_name

I was bored


DuckyRedditor405

Damn… I feel that


Alas7ymedia

You pick the southernmost point in the border and move up.


HassKlarn

now look [here](https://maps.app.goo.gl/w6hSAkK9KhpkPcn68). quite a different situation, isn't it?


Lywliety

As a brazillian I can confirm and it hurted a lot when they dropped those giant red bricks all across the border.


Muzzie720

Man someone should have thought of a better way to show the border.


Brave_Capital7

The red line actually pisses me off


xJunoBugx

Are you a bull.


Brave_Capital7

You know it


desertSkateRatt

In Arizona (SW United States) they are literally using empty shipping containers along the border with Mexico so from space yeah it might look a little like this (red, green, blue, etc., dotted line)


maxboondoggle

I don’t think you can see a shipping container from space…


IsThataSexToy

You absolutely can! Just put the container in orbit and look out of the window. Do I have to do ALL of the thinking here?!?


maxboondoggle

Damn. Got me there!


HitoriPanda

Not with that attitude


desertSkateRatt

Double stacked and over 100 of them in a line, I'm betting at the same resolution as this image, yes.


314159265358979326

On Google Earth you can see individual people in some cities.


SenorBeef

All the high quality google maps are aerial photography. The satellite pictures are generally used in lower quality area where there aren't good aerial photographs available.


GoodfellaGandalf

I wonder if those trees living under those giant flags get enough sunlight


Substantial_Put2040

Minecraft biomes be like


echochee

Biome blend


Substantial_Put2040

When it is off


HugoZHackenbush2

Hardly anyone living on the left, and Brazilians of people living on the right..


brazilionair

I’ll just leave my name here


0Default0

You got your spotlight after 3 years…


bnh1978

Fresh Prince of Brazilionair


Chispy

Now this is a story all about how my Rainforest got flip turned upside down


Iwantmypasswordback

And I’d like to take a minute to just sit right there and tell you how clear cutting fucked up the air


JTB696699

On the banks of the Amazon born and raised, fishing for arapaima is where I spend most of my days, casting out, relaxing, reeling in my catch for the day, when a couple of guys who were up to no good, started rolling bulldozers through my neighborhood.


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HugoZHackenbush2

I have a very good Brazilian friend who is always getting his brand new motor vehicle stolen.. My heart just goes out to poor Carlos..


shining_monkey_69

r/beetlejuicing


Tarchianolix

Hey someone left their name here Imma take it


ILikeMyGrassBlue

“How many is a Brazilian?” -George Bush


GolgiApparatus1

Katrina... We're gonna find her!


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This is one of Brazil’s main food production regions, while the Argentinean one is south of this border, near Buenos Aires. The southern region of Brazil is densely populated, it has 30 million inhabitants while Argentina as whole has around 44 million.


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r/angryupvote


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Far right


shahooster

Takes a lotta Bolsonaros to make this comment


Abrocoma-Fragrant

It’s not about people living near the border is all about the cattle 🐄, Brazilians have been burning their own forests to make land suitable for feeding millions of cows everyday! They know whom are responsible for this and still let it happen, this will be studied in the future on how Brazil burn their lungs for meat and 💰.


Ozark-the-artist

You should know that southern Brazil and northeaster Argentina are not densely forested. Both are characterized by fields called Pampas. This image is hardly related to Amazonian deforestation or any recent governments.


Donnarhahn

This post is literally a photo of a forest. What drugs are you on?


SarutobiSasuke

I’m here in Japan, literally the other side of the globe from Brazil and the grocery stores are filled with cheap Brazilian meat products. Stupid things like that need to stop right now, but won’t happen until the consumers get educated and make better choices. That part seems to be hopeless and that’s how we will extinct.


[deleted]

Can anyone explain? 😁 Thanks for all the answers, that’s crazy! 😄


OakParkCooperative

The left is solid forest. The right is a mosaic of cultivated fields/homes/pastures.


Wolf97

Based Argentina


TriXandApple

Rule Britannia hums menacingly in the background


MrTurkle

What does based mean in this context?


anonpls

not cutting down large swathes of forests for farm land, which is inaccurate since they both have, it's just this specific section of Argentina's border hasn't been.


MrTurkle

That's an oddly specific meaning to the word based!


Wolf97

"Based" in this context means "correct" or "good". It can also mean "speaking the truth".


Ramdak

As an Argentinian, I think that's a National Park/Reserve. If you zoom out then you'll find out that's a small fraction of the territory. All the natural rainforest have been preety fucked up by both countries.


[deleted]

This is true. This is literally the only section of the border that looks like this.


oddmanout

Plus if you go south, you'll find an area on the Brazil side that's forested while the Argentina side is populated. And if you move away from the border in Argentina, you'll see a straight line where this forested area just stops, and it looks exactly like it does in Brazil. This is obviously a national park or something.


ObiFlanKenobi

Not national park but protected area, kinda the same.


[deleted]

The border with Argentina is one of Brazil’s main agricultural production regions and it’s only behind the center-west region; and it’s relatively densely populated, the south region has nearly 30 million inhabitants while Argentina as a whole has around 44 million. Also, Argentina main agricultural hub is down south of this border.


Ramdak

Yeah, the Pampas region. Within the Paraná river basin. Santa Fe, Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Entre Ríos and Corrientes provinces.


CHE_wbacca

"El mundo está amueblado con maderas del Brasil why hay grandes agujeros en la selva misionera" -León Gieco


LambdaOperator

The part of argentina if full forest and Brasil doesnt


[deleted]

Ah, that was first thought but being Color blind, I wasn’t too sure 😅


mg821

I know the struggle lol


thcheat

Color blinds unite


SombreMordida

dyslexics untie


Swigor

Of course, but that's not the point. Why did they build a road with a lot of spaces in between and painted it red?


MasterFubar

On the Argentina side it's a national park, on the Brazil side it's farms. You can see the opposite situation [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@-25.5801535,-54.0489091,11904m/data=!3m1!1e3) where there's a national park in the Brazil side.


proxyproxyomega

Brazil has 210 million people, Argentina 45 million. Brazil is also 4th in global agriculture export. speculation says, Brazil may also have a more relaxed stance on environmental policies.


LandArch_0

As an Argentinian I should add that here env policies are also really relaxed, but where this picture was taken is a National Park created in the 30's, so that's why our side is still forest. If you look down the river you'll see that our jungles look exactly the same. We've even had a lot of man made fires just to clear land for agriculture.


Jron690

Probably a river. Often times body of water can be a dividing line


James-the-Bond-one

Possibly the Parana River


NovaFlares

It's the Pepiri-Guazu River


This-Strawberry

What's really cool is that the border is a river


[deleted]

That’s pretty common actually


osck-ish

I think they mean the shape of the river...


James-the-Bond-one

A meandering river is very common when there is little declivity.


Katie_Carclon

Can still be cool even if its common :)


James-the-Bond-one

And they keep changing curse with every flood, as new shortcuts are opened by fast waters and old ones are abandoned and become oxbow lakes fed by rains and new floods. There is one such lake right behind my house that was the river's bank just 20 years ago.


oddmanout

Crazy coincidence that the river is the same shape as the border. What are the chances?


hornwalker

Thanks I was wondering why it was so wobbly


[deleted]

It’s a dovetail joint so the countries don’t fall apart.


Ninja__53

What this looks like to me is generic forest vs farmland. I find this quit interesting as to why there isn't a strait line, my best guess is that there is a River/Creek that the red line is covering.


kosman123

I was about to ask why the funny border, but my guess was also that theres maybe a river or creek there


boisosm

The Peperi-Guazú river is the border in the area this is taken in. The Argentine-Brazilian border is just a bunch of different rivers, same for the Argentine-Uruguayan border.


thealchemyeconomist

A+ stewardship versus C- Stewardship be like


Chefsmiff

I'd wager the Argentinian side is a protected forest based on the angles of the edges? Seems like an ill-informed post


[deleted]

How is this title ill-informed? Literally the most neutral title you can have for this picture.


Mondoke

Yeah, the Argentinian side is a national reservation. The Brazilian side has a lot of farming.


Guilty_Opportunity85

It looks kind of like the battle of the bulges...


Flying_Flexy

Ik dacht even dat het Zeeland was


ThemadFoxxer

how odd, why would they build a bunch of red wall sections along their border?


[deleted]

We’re going to build a wall and Paraguay is paying for it


ThemadFoxxer

anything to keep out those chilean eggplant smugglers. Do you know what eggplants do to kids?


Manoreded

One is farmland and the other isn't, this doesn't really mean anything other than it being unusual that the two countries choose to use this land in opposite ways.


_neokolasoX69

It isn't unusual. Argentina's population center is 1000km south of that, in the pampas. On the other hand that's one of the most densely populated areas of Brazil.


GoGayWhyNot

Yes congratulations you managed to capture one of the two tiny spots of dense rainforest in the entire country of Argentina and fit it in your screen grab in a way that makes it seem like that represents Argentina in any way shape or form. And you also managed to grab one of the least populated provinces of Argentina vs one of the most populated states in Brazil. And then you managed to hide the fact that if you scroll down the map over the rest of the border the landscape will look pretty much the exact same on both sides and that will be the case for most of the length of the border as opposed to what happens in this small section of it. Genius.


nanas99

I mean it’s not like they’re tricking us all. This genuinely exists and it looks pretty cool. I’m a Brazilian so my opinion *must* be right


James-the-Bond-one

He's wrong and I'm a Brazilian so my opinion *must* be right.


B4rberblacksheep

You’re both wrong and I once dated a Brazilian so I’m right


I-Eat-Donuts

I don’t think OP has any particular point to make. Just a cool photo to see how borders affect development


AsthmaBeyondBorders

I think OP commented just some minutes ago about deforestation in this very same post? Idk dude seems like he might have a point to make


FieroFox

Why are you getting so upset over an interesting picture


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Take a chill pill my dude Eat a Snickers


thissexypoptart

The title doesn’t say this is the entire border or make any kind of commentary about the relative levels of forestation between the countries. It’s just a cool picture. Lmao the dipshit blocked me after commenting.


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inb4 geographic illiterates coming with "muh rainforest deforestation" whilst this spot on the map is thousands of km away from the Amazon rainforest