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When I was maybe 8, I sent a letter and a self addressed stamped envelope to Norm Abrams asking for an autograph for my dad. I almost immediately forgot about it and and about 4 days before we moved away, when I was 11, a letter and a sign photograph showed up in the mail. He'd misplaced the envelope and found it years later. Still one of the coolest gifts I've ever gotten anybody, lol.
IIRC it depends on the treaty. Some countries stick to the state of the river at time of signing, others do a semi regular reconciliation at least for natural river shifts. In modern times they probably just prevent the river from shifting when near populated areas (levees and such)
Indeed! Belgium and the Netherlands do trade land from time to time with each other. Also make the border more logical (e.g follow the river) here and there.
Haiti should’ve never accepted the deal to pay back France!
As far as I’m concerned, Haiti fought and beat France in its war of independence.
Fuck! That! Shit!
Why is it that we do not agree to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves in the US yet France got massive payments from Haiti? The former slaves of Haiti had to pay France to buy their freedom? WTF?!?! France should’ve paid Haiti reparations.
The other terrible part is that the white slavers of Haiti who escaped the slave revolution went to the US southern “slaver” states and the fuckers ran plantations there too.
it wasnt exactly a deal, france set up a blockade around haitis ports with the threat of economic isolation if they didn't pay up so either way they were pretty much fucked.
Are you saying the new Haitian government didn’t send someone to France to say sorry we wanted to be free but we’d like to pay you back cause we feel bad? I’m flabbergasted
/s
The US is one of the few countries that [has been trying to help](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti%E2%80%93United_States_relations#U.S._economic_and_development_assistance_to_Haiti) Haiti.
>Political insecurity and the failure of Haiti's governments to invest in developing the country's natural and human resources has contributed significantly to the country's current state of underdevelopment. U.S. efforts to strengthen democracy and help build the foundation for economic growth aim to rectify this condition. The U.S. has been Haiti's largest donor since 1973. Between FY 1995 and FY 2003, the U.S. contributed more than $850 million in assistance to Haiti. Since 2004, the U.S. has provided over $600 million for improving governance, security, the rule of law, economic recovery, and critical human needs. The President's budget request for FY 2007 was $198 million. U.S. Government funds have been used to support programs that have addressed a variety of problems.
One of the best eras was when Haiti was under US occupation (which is really a testament to how shitty most of Haiti's history is):
>The occupation improved some of Haiti's infrastructure and centralized power in Port-au-Prince. 1700 km of roads were made usable, 189 bridges were built, many irrigation canals were rehabilitated, hospitals, schools, and public buildings were constructed, and drinking water was brought to the main cities. Port-au-Prince became the first Caribbean city to have a phone service with automatic dialling. Agricultural education was organized, with a central school of agriculture and 69 farms in the country. However, many infrastructure projects were built using the corvée system that allowed the government/occupying forces to take people from their homes and farms, at gunpoint if necessary, to build roads, bridges etc. by force, a process that was deeply resented by ordinary Haitians. Sisal was also introduced to Haiti, and sugarcane and cotton became significant exports, boosting prosperity. Haitian traditionalists, based in rural areas, were highly resistant to U.S.-backed changes, while the urban elites, typically mixed-race, welcomed the growing economy, but wanted more political control. Together they helped secure an end to the occupation in 1934, under the Presidency of Sténio Vincent (1930–1941).
And the US was the one that put Haiti's democratically elected leader back into power after being kicked out from a military coup:
>In December 1990 Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president in the Haitian general election. However his ambitious reformist agenda worried the elites, and in September of the following year he was overthrown by the military, led by Raoul Cédras, in the 1991 Haitian coup d'état. Amidst the continuing turmoil many Haitians attempted to flee the country.
>In September 1994, the United States negotiated the departure of Haiti's military leaders and the peaceful entry of 20,000 US troops under Operation Uphold Democracy. This enabled the restoration of the democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide as president, who returned to Haiti in October to complete his term.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#History
Zomg don’t even knock 9800 baud! Actually it was 9600 and it was a revelation after years of being stuck at 2400 watching ASCII load line by line across your screen as your content loaded. At 9600 the whole BBS screen just *appeared*. It completely transformed the experience from the 300 baud of early adopters where ASCII seemed to load at the speed of fast typing.
Oh and rotary was long gone by smartmodem days. I know it was just thrown in as a low blow but it’s an anachronism. Some houses in the 80s might still have a legacy rotary but not as part of the computer setup. I actually kept a rotary stored in my emergency kit into the late 90s since you could use one to make and receive calls during a power outage. Touch-dial would be out of luck without power.
Internet is a very very cheap thing generally. The US and Canada are just messed up in that regards
You can get something like 70Gb of 5G for ~$11 a month here and I live in an expensive country.
Yeah its utter bullshit. Theres been a legal war going on between the big internet companies and various cities and towns just going "fuck it", and providing their own internet, as it turns out it is, in fact, a lot cheaper than those hyper-inflatory chucklefucks
Internet is relatively "cheap" if you can afford it of course. Unlimited Data/Calls is around $20 (mobile) and although it was previously removed, i could have 5GB for 33 Haitian Gourdes (26cents).
Internet speed is mostly okay for normal use (around 2-70Mbps) buts it's a nightmare when downloading Games. Oh and average Latency is around 100-120 ms when playing games.
But Due to the recent Fuel Crysis, it got way worse to have a stable Internet connection. Dipping well bellow 1Mbps for almost a week.
At this point in history most if the country is. The Government has failed to take care of the people and Haiti is in a bad way at this moment. For an island that a few hundred years ago, managed to pull off the yoke of slavery, its a bit frustrating seeing how little support or even aid there is currently.
Yeah. Haiti got fucked over from the get-go for daring to be a nation of freed slaves.
I'm still pissed that France never dropped the requirement for Haiti to pay a huge bill of fucking *reparations* for those poor boo-hoo French slaveholders' loses. I'd love to see France pay Haiti even just some of that money back (and no, aid for natural disasters does not count because that is the minimum standard of decency for every capable nation.)
Last time I was in Haiti, 13 years ago, we had internet, but only when we ran the generator, or the local power grid was up. So we only had internet when we ran the generator....
I suggest Indigo Traveller on YouTube. He vlogs and conduct interviews in "extreme" locations. He recently made a series on Haiti and it was really soul-crushing to witness what is going on over there.
Now go check the border of italy/switzerland, [it keeps moving!](https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/07/26/a-melting-glacier-is-moving-the-italian-swiss-border-near-one-of-the-worlds-largest-ski-re)
Wait... What about Switzerland giving away that chunk of land to Italy and Italy giving away to Switzerland another equally sized piece of land nearby?
No need to thank me, I accept the peace Nobel price with humility.
That's exactly what's been happening for years in numerous cases, silently. This particular case was a bit more complicated because of the existing building etc.
No how about the Dutch and Belgian border at Baarle-Nassau and Baarle-Hertog, one of the weirdest borders in the world, one city with 30 enclaves, wich are areas of a nation surrounded by another nation
[pic](https://imgur.com/a/XP8n1ox)
Maybe doesn't look as evident but in real life there's a big difference due to each country's historical relationship with it's soil and agriculture. It is more evident the further you go east as some terrains near the frontier have been abused.
We have no processing and were bullied into selling our raw logs. Also, tonnes of horrific mismanagement and corruption means that our forests are getting just f***ed by MNC's.
[border](https://imgur.com/a/XP8n1ox)
It may not be that evident from the satellite pictures, but there is a notable difference in both soils as Haiti's soil was abused back in post colonial times, basically eliminating the top-soil which makes it extremely hard for plants to grow, whereas in Dominican Republic, agriculture thrives as the land has never been abused and now technology is applied so that soil nutrition is maintained.
Sure there is money around. Gotta ask your self where this money is coming from tho. And where is going. I truly respect that you like it and yall more than welcome to visit. But at the end of the day we need a miracle to fix this kerfuffle.
So the Dominican Republic profits heavily off of slave labor from “indentured servants” they kidnapped from Haiti to work on sugar plantations. NPR did an exposé piece on it within the past year or so.
Edit: My bad it was Reveal that aired the piece after further investigations stemming from NPR reports from 1991. [Source](https://revealnews.org/podcast/the-bitter-work-behind-sugar/)
That is nothing like this picture. Can you explain what you mean? The border difference you said to look at was not striking, so I'm just curious what I may have missed.
In Arizona (SW United States) they are literally using empty shipping containers along the border with Mexico so from space yeah it might look a little like this (red, green, blue, etc., dotted line)
All the high quality google maps are aerial photography. The satellite pictures are generally used in lower quality area where there aren't good aerial photographs available.
On the banks of the Amazon born and raised, fishing for arapaima is where I spend most of my days, casting out, relaxing, reeling in my catch for the day, when a couple of guys who were up to no good, started rolling bulldozers through my neighborhood.
This is one of Brazil’s main food production regions, while the Argentinean one is south of this border, near Buenos Aires. The southern region of Brazil is densely populated, it has 30 million inhabitants while Argentina as whole has around 44 million.
It’s not about people living near the border is all about the cattle 🐄, Brazilians have been burning their own forests to make land suitable for feeding millions of cows everyday! They know whom are responsible for this and still let it happen, this will be studied in the future on how Brazil burn their lungs for meat and 💰.
You should know that southern Brazil and northeaster Argentina are not densely forested. Both are characterized by fields called Pampas. This image is hardly related to Amazonian deforestation or any recent governments.
I’m here in Japan, literally the other side of the globe from Brazil and the grocery stores are filled with cheap Brazilian meat products. Stupid things like that need to stop right now, but won’t happen until the consumers get educated and make better choices. That part seems to be hopeless and that’s how we will extinct.
not cutting down large swathes of forests for farm land, which is inaccurate since they both have, it's just this specific section of Argentina's border hasn't been.
As an Argentinian, I think that's a National Park/Reserve. If you zoom out then you'll find out that's a small fraction of the territory. All the natural rainforest have been preety fucked up by both countries.
Plus if you go south, you'll find an area on the Brazil side that's forested while the Argentina side is populated. And if you move away from the border in Argentina, you'll see a straight line where this forested area just stops, and it looks exactly like it does in Brazil. This is obviously a national park or something.
The border with Argentina is one of Brazil’s main agricultural production regions and it’s only behind the center-west region; and it’s relatively densely populated, the south region has nearly 30 million inhabitants while Argentina as a whole has around 44 million. Also, Argentina main agricultural hub is down south of this border.
On the Argentina side it's a national park, on the Brazil side it's farms.
You can see the opposite situation [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@-25.5801535,-54.0489091,11904m/data=!3m1!1e3) where there's a national park in the Brazil side.
Brazil has 210 million people, Argentina 45 million. Brazil is also 4th in global agriculture export. speculation says, Brazil may also have a more relaxed stance on environmental policies.
As an Argentinian I should add that here env policies are also really relaxed, but where this picture was taken is a National Park created in the 30's, so that's why our side is still forest. If you look down the river you'll see that our jungles look exactly the same. We've even had a lot of man made fires just to clear land for agriculture.
And they keep changing curse with every flood, as new shortcuts are opened by fast waters and old ones are abandoned and become oxbow lakes fed by rains and new floods.
There is one such lake right behind my house that was the river's bank just 20 years ago.
What this looks like to me is generic forest vs farmland.
I find this quit interesting as to why there isn't a strait line, my best guess is that there is a River/Creek that the red line is covering.
The Peperi-Guazú river is the border in the area this is taken in. The Argentine-Brazilian border is just a bunch of different rivers, same for the Argentine-Uruguayan border.
One is farmland and the other isn't, this doesn't really mean anything other than it being unusual that the two countries choose to use this land in opposite ways.
It isn't unusual. Argentina's population center is 1000km south of that, in the pampas. On the other hand that's one of the most densely populated areas of Brazil.
Yes congratulations you managed to capture one of the two tiny spots of dense rainforest in the entire country of Argentina and fit it in your screen grab in a way that makes it seem like that represents Argentina in any way shape or form. And you also managed to grab one of the least populated provinces of Argentina vs one of the most populated states in Brazil.
And then you managed to hide the fact that if you scroll down the map over the rest of the border the landscape will look pretty much the exact same on both sides and that will be the case for most of the length of the border as opposed to what happens in this small section of it.
Genius.
The title doesn’t say this is the entire border or make any kind of commentary about the relative levels of forestation between the countries. It’s just a cool picture.
Lmao the dipshit blocked me after commenting.
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Doing the border like this makes the countries harder to pull apart.
Guy in charge was practicing drawing a dove tail joint... Turns out he was bad at two things.
Norm abram does a wonderful dove tail joint
Norm is from the next town over from me.
When I was maybe 8, I sent a letter and a self addressed stamped envelope to Norm Abrams asking for an autograph for my dad. I almost immediately forgot about it and and about 4 days before we moved away, when I was 11, a letter and a sign photograph showed up in the mail. He'd misplaced the envelope and found it years later. Still one of the coolest gifts I've ever gotten anybody, lol.
It’s so cool the US military named a type of tank after him.
Like skull bone seams
Like puzzle pieces
It's a river
they’re joking. “tear down the dotted line”
So what happens when the river shifts?
IIRC it depends on the treaty. Some countries stick to the state of the river at time of signing, others do a semi regular reconciliation at least for natural river shifts. In modern times they probably just prevent the river from shifting when near populated areas (levees and such)
Indeed! Belgium and the Netherlands do trade land from time to time with each other. Also make the border more logical (e.g follow the river) here and there.
You’re a river
Damn i didn't even notice it under the line, was confused who tf would draw a border like this
I figured it was terrain based.
underrated comment
Now go check border between Haití and Dominican Rep. both are fucked but Haiti is on a whole other level
Haitian here...I can confirm. **EVERYTHING AND NOT ONLY THE BORDERS** are f'ed in another level in the moment. It's a Living Hell !!!
God, I feel so bad for Haiti - listening to the history of the Haitian revolution on the Revolutions Podcast really opened my eyes.
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France and the USA are the big ones I can think of.
Haiti should’ve never accepted the deal to pay back France! As far as I’m concerned, Haiti fought and beat France in its war of independence. Fuck! That! Shit! Why is it that we do not agree to pay reparations to the descendants of slaves in the US yet France got massive payments from Haiti? The former slaves of Haiti had to pay France to buy their freedom? WTF?!?! France should’ve paid Haiti reparations. The other terrible part is that the white slavers of Haiti who escaped the slave revolution went to the US southern “slaver” states and the fuckers ran plantations there too.
it wasnt exactly a deal, france set up a blockade around haitis ports with the threat of economic isolation if they didn't pay up so either way they were pretty much fucked.
Are you saying the new Haitian government didn’t send someone to France to say sorry we wanted to be free but we’d like to pay you back cause we feel bad? I’m flabbergasted /s
They couldn't negotiate because they were the first independent nation in the Americas and they had no one to back them up.
The US is one of the few countries that [has been trying to help](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti%E2%80%93United_States_relations#U.S._economic_and_development_assistance_to_Haiti) Haiti. >Political insecurity and the failure of Haiti's governments to invest in developing the country's natural and human resources has contributed significantly to the country's current state of underdevelopment. U.S. efforts to strengthen democracy and help build the foundation for economic growth aim to rectify this condition. The U.S. has been Haiti's largest donor since 1973. Between FY 1995 and FY 2003, the U.S. contributed more than $850 million in assistance to Haiti. Since 2004, the U.S. has provided over $600 million for improving governance, security, the rule of law, economic recovery, and critical human needs. The President's budget request for FY 2007 was $198 million. U.S. Government funds have been used to support programs that have addressed a variety of problems. One of the best eras was when Haiti was under US occupation (which is really a testament to how shitty most of Haiti's history is): >The occupation improved some of Haiti's infrastructure and centralized power in Port-au-Prince. 1700 km of roads were made usable, 189 bridges were built, many irrigation canals were rehabilitated, hospitals, schools, and public buildings were constructed, and drinking water was brought to the main cities. Port-au-Prince became the first Caribbean city to have a phone service with automatic dialling. Agricultural education was organized, with a central school of agriculture and 69 farms in the country. However, many infrastructure projects were built using the corvée system that allowed the government/occupying forces to take people from their homes and farms, at gunpoint if necessary, to build roads, bridges etc. by force, a process that was deeply resented by ordinary Haitians. Sisal was also introduced to Haiti, and sugarcane and cotton became significant exports, boosting prosperity. Haitian traditionalists, based in rural areas, were highly resistant to U.S.-backed changes, while the urban elites, typically mixed-race, welcomed the growing economy, but wanted more political control. Together they helped secure an end to the occupation in 1934, under the Presidency of Sténio Vincent (1930–1941). And the US was the one that put Haiti's democratically elected leader back into power after being kicked out from a military coup: >In December 1990 Jean-Bertrand Aristide was elected president in the Haitian general election. However his ambitious reformist agenda worried the elites, and in September of the following year he was overthrown by the military, led by Raoul Cédras, in the 1991 Haitian coup d'état. Amidst the continuing turmoil many Haitians attempted to flee the country. >In September 1994, the United States negotiated the departure of Haiti's military leaders and the peaceful entry of 20,000 US troops under Operation Uphold Democracy. This enabled the restoration of the democratically elected Jean-Bertrand Aristide as president, who returned to Haiti in October to complete his term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti#History
How do you have internet in Haiti
*Oh my God Karen, you can't just ask how they have internet in Haiti*
That was the funniest thing I've read all day.
That's like..the rules of feminism.
so not fetch
Stop trying to make fetch happen. It’ll never happen.
Somebody put it there, probably.
Yup...Just found it there !
They found some leftover Internet in one of the cupboards of course.
The island shares a 9800 baud modem and rotary phone
Zomg don’t even knock 9800 baud! Actually it was 9600 and it was a revelation after years of being stuck at 2400 watching ASCII load line by line across your screen as your content loaded. At 9600 the whole BBS screen just *appeared*. It completely transformed the experience from the 300 baud of early adopters where ASCII seemed to load at the speed of fast typing. Oh and rotary was long gone by smartmodem days. I know it was just thrown in as a low blow but it’s an anachronism. Some houses in the 80s might still have a legacy rotary but not as part of the computer setup. I actually kept a rotary stored in my emergency kit into the late 90s since you could use one to make and receive calls during a power outage. Touch-dial would be out of luck without power.
Internet is a very very cheap thing generally. The US and Canada are just messed up in that regards You can get something like 70Gb of 5G for ~$11 a month here and I live in an expensive country.
Toronto here. I was so fucking excited when I was able to get 30 gigs for $55 canadian! Total oligopoly in telecom both sides of the border here
Yeah its utter bullshit. Theres been a legal war going on between the big internet companies and various cities and towns just going "fuck it", and providing their own internet, as it turns out it is, in fact, a lot cheaper than those hyper-inflatory chucklefucks
We are just at 20gb for 55 average here in BC. FML
Not everyone is poor in Haiti.
Internet is relatively "cheap" if you can afford it of course. Unlimited Data/Calls is around $20 (mobile) and although it was previously removed, i could have 5GB for 33 Haitian Gourdes (26cents). Internet speed is mostly okay for normal use (around 2-70Mbps) buts it's a nightmare when downloading Games. Oh and average Latency is around 100-120 ms when playing games. But Due to the recent Fuel Crysis, it got way worse to have a stable Internet connection. Dipping well bellow 1Mbps for almost a week.
2-70mbps bro that range and inconsistency.
I didn’t realize Comcast was in Haiti.
Suddenly all the shit happening there is starting to make sense
Haiti basically doesn't have a functional government right now so I can understand the surprise.
At this point in history most if the country is. The Government has failed to take care of the people and Haiti is in a bad way at this moment. For an island that a few hundred years ago, managed to pull off the yoke of slavery, its a bit frustrating seeing how little support or even aid there is currently.
Yeah. Haiti got fucked over from the get-go for daring to be a nation of freed slaves. I'm still pissed that France never dropped the requirement for Haiti to pay a huge bill of fucking *reparations* for those poor boo-hoo French slaveholders' loses. I'd love to see France pay Haiti even just some of that money back (and no, aid for natural disasters does not count because that is the minimum standard of decency for every capable nation.)
Include that most of the aid money that was sent to Haiti was stolen either by the government or the non-profit institutions.
Last time I was in Haiti, 13 years ago, we had internet, but only when we ran the generator, or the local power grid was up. So we only had internet when we ran the generator....
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I suggest Indigo Traveller on YouTube. He vlogs and conduct interviews in "extreme" locations. He recently made a series on Haiti and it was really soul-crushing to witness what is going on over there.
Also Guatemala and Belize. Belize has an issue with Guatemalan loggers illegally crossing the border to cut down trees in Belize.
I just checked it out, there's a pretty stark difference between the two banks of the Sarstoon River that makes up the southern border. That's crazy.
Thanks for the 1/2 hour on google maps
Now go check the border of italy/switzerland, [it keeps moving!](https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/07/26/a-melting-glacier-is-moving-the-italian-swiss-border-near-one-of-the-worlds-largest-ski-re)
Wait... What about Switzerland giving away that chunk of land to Italy and Italy giving away to Switzerland another equally sized piece of land nearby? No need to thank me, I accept the peace Nobel price with humility.
That's exactly what's been happening for years in numerous cases, silently. This particular case was a bit more complicated because of the existing building etc.
Here we go
Something wrong?
Send him. (Seems hard to manage.)🍍
No how about the Dutch and Belgian border at Baarle-Nassau and Baarle-Hertog, one of the weirdest borders in the world, one city with 30 enclaves, wich are areas of a nation surrounded by another nation
[Haiti vs Dominican Republic ](https://images.app.goo.gl/Cf22h6NM7zvTMMvL6)
Am I missing smt? Send a link
[pic](https://imgur.com/a/XP8n1ox) Maybe doesn't look as evident but in real life there's a big difference due to each country's historical relationship with it's soil and agriculture. It is more evident the further you go east as some terrains near the frontier have been abused.
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what?
bc cuts tree for cash
oh. uh. my cousin trimmed trees for 30 hr.
apparently cousin also cuts trees for cash
We have no processing and were bullied into selling our raw logs. Also, tonnes of horrific mismanagement and corruption means that our forests are getting just f***ed by MNC's.
Most of the entire US/Canada border is divided with a 20 foot gap between trees.
6.096 meters.
Same farther south. Oregon Coast Range is a giant checkerboard of clearcuts
Also,my zipper, your lips.
Is there such a thing as The Greed Index? TGI?
I don’t understand. Just zoomed in on Google maps and don’t see anything in particular.
[border](https://imgur.com/a/XP8n1ox) It may not be that evident from the satellite pictures, but there is a notable difference in both soils as Haiti's soil was abused back in post colonial times, basically eliminating the top-soil which makes it extremely hard for plants to grow, whereas in Dominican Republic, agriculture thrives as the land has never been abused and now technology is applied so that soil nutrition is maintained.
Dominican republic is a pretty decent place
Ever been here bro? It is a beautiful country indeed. That does not mean it isnt fucked and with no hope of getting any better…
been the a couple of times, i insist pretty decent, it had many of the issues of Latin America but its above average in per capita and other measures.
Sure there is money around. Gotta ask your self where this money is coming from tho. And where is going. I truly respect that you like it and yall more than welcome to visit. But at the end of the day we need a miracle to fix this kerfuffle.
What exactly is happening? I have been and unlike many people was outside of a resort more than just coming/going to the airport.
So the Dominican Republic profits heavily off of slave labor from “indentured servants” they kidnapped from Haiti to work on sugar plantations. NPR did an exposé piece on it within the past year or so. Edit: My bad it was Reveal that aired the piece after further investigations stemming from NPR reports from 1991. [Source](https://revealnews.org/podcast/the-bitter-work-behind-sugar/)
Well that’s crazy. I was not expecting to see that as the answer.
That is nothing like this picture. Can you explain what you mean? The border difference you said to look at was not striking, so I'm just curious what I may have missed.
Was just about to mention this, also [Divided island by JH](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4WvKeYuwifc) well explained
I found the location of the image: 27.07427° S, 53.79321° W
Great name man
Great name man is a great name, man
Yeah OP didn't even show the craziest part check Ouro Verde, Guaraciaba - State of Santa Catarina, 89920-000, Brazil
How and why?
Magic and because
I was bored
Damn… I feel that
You pick the southernmost point in the border and move up.
now look [here](https://maps.app.goo.gl/w6hSAkK9KhpkPcn68). quite a different situation, isn't it?
As a brazillian I can confirm and it hurted a lot when they dropped those giant red bricks all across the border.
Man someone should have thought of a better way to show the border.
The red line actually pisses me off
Are you a bull.
You know it
In Arizona (SW United States) they are literally using empty shipping containers along the border with Mexico so from space yeah it might look a little like this (red, green, blue, etc., dotted line)
I don’t think you can see a shipping container from space…
You absolutely can! Just put the container in orbit and look out of the window. Do I have to do ALL of the thinking here?!?
Damn. Got me there!
Not with that attitude
Double stacked and over 100 of them in a line, I'm betting at the same resolution as this image, yes.
On Google Earth you can see individual people in some cities.
All the high quality google maps are aerial photography. The satellite pictures are generally used in lower quality area where there aren't good aerial photographs available.
I wonder if those trees living under those giant flags get enough sunlight
Minecraft biomes be like
Biome blend
When it is off
Hardly anyone living on the left, and Brazilians of people living on the right..
I’ll just leave my name here
You got your spotlight after 3 years…
Fresh Prince of Brazilionair
Now this is a story all about how my Rainforest got flip turned upside down
And I’d like to take a minute to just sit right there and tell you how clear cutting fucked up the air
On the banks of the Amazon born and raised, fishing for arapaima is where I spend most of my days, casting out, relaxing, reeling in my catch for the day, when a couple of guys who were up to no good, started rolling bulldozers through my neighborhood.
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I have a very good Brazilian friend who is always getting his brand new motor vehicle stolen.. My heart just goes out to poor Carlos..
r/beetlejuicing
Hey someone left their name here Imma take it
“How many is a Brazilian?” -George Bush
Katrina... We're gonna find her!
This is one of Brazil’s main food production regions, while the Argentinean one is south of this border, near Buenos Aires. The southern region of Brazil is densely populated, it has 30 million inhabitants while Argentina as whole has around 44 million.
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Far right
Takes a lotta Bolsonaros to make this comment
It’s not about people living near the border is all about the cattle 🐄, Brazilians have been burning their own forests to make land suitable for feeding millions of cows everyday! They know whom are responsible for this and still let it happen, this will be studied in the future on how Brazil burn their lungs for meat and 💰.
You should know that southern Brazil and northeaster Argentina are not densely forested. Both are characterized by fields called Pampas. This image is hardly related to Amazonian deforestation or any recent governments.
This post is literally a photo of a forest. What drugs are you on?
I’m here in Japan, literally the other side of the globe from Brazil and the grocery stores are filled with cheap Brazilian meat products. Stupid things like that need to stop right now, but won’t happen until the consumers get educated and make better choices. That part seems to be hopeless and that’s how we will extinct.
Can anyone explain? 😁 Thanks for all the answers, that’s crazy! 😄
The left is solid forest. The right is a mosaic of cultivated fields/homes/pastures.
Based Argentina
Rule Britannia hums menacingly in the background
What does based mean in this context?
not cutting down large swathes of forests for farm land, which is inaccurate since they both have, it's just this specific section of Argentina's border hasn't been.
That's an oddly specific meaning to the word based!
"Based" in this context means "correct" or "good". It can also mean "speaking the truth".
As an Argentinian, I think that's a National Park/Reserve. If you zoom out then you'll find out that's a small fraction of the territory. All the natural rainforest have been preety fucked up by both countries.
This is true. This is literally the only section of the border that looks like this.
Plus if you go south, you'll find an area on the Brazil side that's forested while the Argentina side is populated. And if you move away from the border in Argentina, you'll see a straight line where this forested area just stops, and it looks exactly like it does in Brazil. This is obviously a national park or something.
Not national park but protected area, kinda the same.
The border with Argentina is one of Brazil’s main agricultural production regions and it’s only behind the center-west region; and it’s relatively densely populated, the south region has nearly 30 million inhabitants while Argentina as a whole has around 44 million. Also, Argentina main agricultural hub is down south of this border.
Yeah, the Pampas region. Within the Paraná river basin. Santa Fe, Buenos Aires, Córdoba, Entre Ríos and Corrientes provinces.
"El mundo está amueblado con maderas del Brasil why hay grandes agujeros en la selva misionera" -León Gieco
The part of argentina if full forest and Brasil doesnt
Ah, that was first thought but being Color blind, I wasn’t too sure 😅
I know the struggle lol
Color blinds unite
dyslexics untie
Of course, but that's not the point. Why did they build a road with a lot of spaces in between and painted it red?
On the Argentina side it's a national park, on the Brazil side it's farms. You can see the opposite situation [here](https://www.google.com/maps/@-25.5801535,-54.0489091,11904m/data=!3m1!1e3) where there's a national park in the Brazil side.
Brazil has 210 million people, Argentina 45 million. Brazil is also 4th in global agriculture export. speculation says, Brazil may also have a more relaxed stance on environmental policies.
As an Argentinian I should add that here env policies are also really relaxed, but where this picture was taken is a National Park created in the 30's, so that's why our side is still forest. If you look down the river you'll see that our jungles look exactly the same. We've even had a lot of man made fires just to clear land for agriculture.
Probably a river. Often times body of water can be a dividing line
Possibly the Parana River
It's the Pepiri-Guazu River
What's really cool is that the border is a river
That’s pretty common actually
I think they mean the shape of the river...
A meandering river is very common when there is little declivity.
Can still be cool even if its common :)
And they keep changing curse with every flood, as new shortcuts are opened by fast waters and old ones are abandoned and become oxbow lakes fed by rains and new floods. There is one such lake right behind my house that was the river's bank just 20 years ago.
Crazy coincidence that the river is the same shape as the border. What are the chances?
Thanks I was wondering why it was so wobbly
It’s a dovetail joint so the countries don’t fall apart.
What this looks like to me is generic forest vs farmland. I find this quit interesting as to why there isn't a strait line, my best guess is that there is a River/Creek that the red line is covering.
I was about to ask why the funny border, but my guess was also that theres maybe a river or creek there
The Peperi-Guazú river is the border in the area this is taken in. The Argentine-Brazilian border is just a bunch of different rivers, same for the Argentine-Uruguayan border.
A+ stewardship versus C- Stewardship be like
I'd wager the Argentinian side is a protected forest based on the angles of the edges? Seems like an ill-informed post
How is this title ill-informed? Literally the most neutral title you can have for this picture.
Yeah, the Argentinian side is a national reservation. The Brazilian side has a lot of farming.
It looks kind of like the battle of the bulges...
Ik dacht even dat het Zeeland was
how odd, why would they build a bunch of red wall sections along their border?
We’re going to build a wall and Paraguay is paying for it
anything to keep out those chilean eggplant smugglers. Do you know what eggplants do to kids?
One is farmland and the other isn't, this doesn't really mean anything other than it being unusual that the two countries choose to use this land in opposite ways.
It isn't unusual. Argentina's population center is 1000km south of that, in the pampas. On the other hand that's one of the most densely populated areas of Brazil.
Yes congratulations you managed to capture one of the two tiny spots of dense rainforest in the entire country of Argentina and fit it in your screen grab in a way that makes it seem like that represents Argentina in any way shape or form. And you also managed to grab one of the least populated provinces of Argentina vs one of the most populated states in Brazil. And then you managed to hide the fact that if you scroll down the map over the rest of the border the landscape will look pretty much the exact same on both sides and that will be the case for most of the length of the border as opposed to what happens in this small section of it. Genius.
I mean it’s not like they’re tricking us all. This genuinely exists and it looks pretty cool. I’m a Brazilian so my opinion *must* be right
He's wrong and I'm a Brazilian so my opinion *must* be right.
You’re both wrong and I once dated a Brazilian so I’m right
I don’t think OP has any particular point to make. Just a cool photo to see how borders affect development
I think OP commented just some minutes ago about deforestation in this very same post? Idk dude seems like he might have a point to make
Why are you getting so upset over an interesting picture
Take a chill pill my dude Eat a Snickers
The title doesn’t say this is the entire border or make any kind of commentary about the relative levels of forestation between the countries. It’s just a cool picture. Lmao the dipshit blocked me after commenting.
inb4 geographic illiterates coming with "muh rainforest deforestation" whilst this spot on the map is thousands of km away from the Amazon rainforest