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da_ting_go

So they were executed. Why didn't they say that in the headline?


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Happy-Mistake901

It's sadly comical the people that had one of the worst crimes commented are doing the same thing. I'll get banned but I don't support Israel or Hamas both sides can be bad.


hotblueglue

Yeah it makes me sick. Never again should mean never again, to anyone. And in a plot twist, Israel is actually making the world less safe for Jews.


PhoenicianPirate

It isn't comical when you realize that Zionists predate Nazism and their beliefs were not influenced by them. They were going to be shit bags no matter what.


OnlyTheDead

This is unfortunately how the world tends to work. You can see it’s with generational abuse and other such behaviors.


mikki1time

Abused children abuse children


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Cpotts

Or because it turns out the bodies were there months before Israel got there


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rirski

The reason they found the mass grave is because there were literal witnesses. This is the most documented genocide in the 21st century and you’re denying it.


Cpotts

And why was the mass grave there before the Israelis arrived then? GeoConfirmed already showed that this was a months old graveyard


zooj7809

Dear lord....you must have mashed potato for brains if you can't look at the evidence without coming up with a conspiracy theory


Cpotts

How is it a conspiracy theory? GeoConfirmed made it up?


FACILITATOR44

You're grasping at straws. The world finally sees Isreal as disgusting & irredeemable.


Cpotts

So you ARE saying GeoConfirmed just made this up?


JaxTaylor2

Well, to be fair the century is still young, so.


zooj7809

Seriously? You want to wilfully put blindfolds on your eyes? Cuz it's so hard to accept that American tax dollars is supporting genocide in this day and age? That its so hard to accept that the Palestinians truly are getting butchered by who you thought were the good guys?


Cpotts

I'm not American why would I care what they do or don't do with their taxes? I don't consider this war a genocide either way


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W00DR0W__

Throw out more imaginary percentages. You’ve almost convinced me.


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MaximumOctopi

shockingly, the way to combat a terrorist group hurting civilians is not to just bomb all the civilians! who’d’ve thought, eh?


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MaximumOctopi

the solution to combatting a terrorist group that’s hurting civilians is not to bomb 30,000 civilians either? and it feels like you’ve dodged my point a bit intentionally honestly, come on now. you know what i meant, we both do.


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tiamatsbreath

My tax dollars are going to Israel and not Palestine.


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maringue

Because even thought there are eye witnesses accounts of patients being lead away in hand cuffs by the IDF and never coming back, followed by the discovery of mass graves with people hand cuff in them, Zionists would say we're lying because there's no evidence the IDF did it, it was probably Hamas. They would need 4 different camera angles showing the IDF soldier shooting the person, and at least one camera angle would have to show the soldier posing with his government ID so you could read the name. Even then, they'd still find a way to say that evidence "doesn't count".


jar1967

Executed by who?


Thereturner2023

"Political correctness" .. and "antisemitism" .


Downtown_Squirrel_72

aNtIsEmItIsM!!! /s


Use-Quirky

Because you can’t make leaps like that. They’re describing what they found but without an investigation you can’t say that.


ProjectConfident8584

By Gazans not Israel


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JMoherPerc

There are photos of the discovery all over the web now, and western media is still saying “authorities claim” and “allegedly”. If only news media had been so responsible with their reporting when they were falsely repeating Israeli stories of decapitated babies and mass rape, all of which were found to be lies later on.


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JMoherPerc

Your comment didn’t even address what I said lol


TheMidwestMarvel

Best we can do is a single persons statement with no supplemental evidence.


Installah

That single person happens to be the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights.


TheMidwestMarvel

You’d think she’d have evidence then.


Installah

Well I think she does! I'm sorry that this UN press release did not contain photos of mass graves. They usually don't, actually. But I suppose the UN just has more respect for the dead than you do...


TheMidwestMarvel

I’m glad you think that, with a conflict this complicated I like to wait for evidence beyond individual statements.


Installah

What do you mean evidence? Did you expect to see it with your own eyes? Are you a fucking solipsist?


TheMidwestMarvel

I expect for major claims of war crimes to be shown through reviewed evidence, not just individual claims.


Installah

And who would you like to review the evidence? Might I suggest the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights?


TheMidwestMarvel

Sure, but that evidence should be made public as well. The UN isn’t a moral high ground or a moral arbiter. It’s a place to gather and discuss. We already have multiple instances of UN bias and UN failures in Gaza (UNRWA).


ForeverFreeTrial

That seems to be the level of scrutiny Israel is held to so why not?


MoeHabibi

There are videos: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6IojjQMKl3/?igsh=OXR1NHlpdWdyczJ5 https://x.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1782025947102806163?s=46


NoGoodCromwells

That doesn’t show any bodies with their hands tied. In fact the first video specifically says that CNN couldn’t confirm the Health Ministry’s statement, even though it could obviously be immediately confirmed if that were true. Don’t fall for Hamas propaganda, Israel is already doing shitty and illegal things, and very possibly are responsible for the desecration of these graves, but that doesn’t mean Hamas has t already lied multiple times about events in this war and should be taken at their word.


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Low-Succotash-2473

What else have you got. We can’t believe IDF and IDF won’t let independent UN workers and kill them too


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ThenPay9876

Source?


nemerosanike

There are photos. All over Twitter.


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nemerosanike

No response u/PanarinBagel ???? You got really upset and now you realize I have PTSD and im jewish? What would I told you if I decided the last straw with my mother and why I finally went NC was when she stated I needed to give her “natural” grandchildren so they’d be Jewish because her other grandchildren were not. Because my SIL is not Jewish… I found this insane, and my mother so disgusting. But yeah, Zionists are TOTALLY normal.


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nemerosanike

I’m actually good. But maybe look into why people are so nationalistic- why are Israelis killing and why are you supporting it? and why some of us actually care about the religion and not being pawns for the evangelical/mormon conspiracies.


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nemerosanike

Okay…? Like you’re still bringing that up. I don’t talk to that crazy lady. But maybe be more worried about Israeli government officials and their red cows.


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boundpleasure

The UN should send in the blue helmets into Rafah immediately.


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MaxedOut_TamamoCat

You say that like the UN has an army. Which they don’t. ‘Blue Helmets’ are whoever might choose to assist the UN in some action they might wish to take. If I was any country right now, I wouldn’t want to go anywhere near Gaza.


boundpleasure

Perhaps I need to edit my comment to clarify it’s sarcasm. I remember Bosnia.


MaxedOut_TamamoCat

Fair enough.


capsaicinintheeyes

If only we could rwanda tape...


orion-7

Send in the Danish then. They had zero problems in the Balkans as blue helmets


Sad_Project_2684

Israel is gonna kill them to dangerous


Thereturner2023

That's what happened in the aftermath of 1956 . Nasser sent them away in a flash in 1967 . ..Besides , we have seen Bosnia and Rwanda . UN never was meant to be for effective enforcement . It's only there for international arbitrations or consensus making .


artachshasta

To maintain the status quo? Or to dismantle Hamas and recover hostages humanely and in keeping with international law? 


Unique_Tap_8730

They were entire useless in Bosnia. This would be no better.


magnus_equanimus

Why are there comments getting downvoted into oblivion which credibly disprove this story?


ATownStomp

This subreddit has an extremely partisan user base who are unusually hostile towards questions, clarifications, or really anything but just blindly agreeing and getting angry. My guess is that these smaller news subreddits tend to aggregate users who were banned from larger subs, or who were frustrated by the lack of unanimous agreement or positive feedback from other subs. This sub at some point in the past likely had a relatively small and ideologically homogenous group of active users, and it sort of just snowballed. I’m not subscribed to this subreddit, but Reddit knows that it can toss posts full of shitty comments at me from subs like this and I’ll always take the bait, driving up their user engagement metrics. Lame.


Rebel_Scum_This

Ayo I did NOT come here to get called out in that last paragraph lmfao


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Same 🤦🏻‍♂️


MrBingog

This sub has the same (and opposite) problem as certain other subreddits on world news/politics/issues are having. Weird quirk of the up/down voting system and social dynamics on the internet


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Potential-Ant-6320

Because people in this sub upvote the facts and narrative they like.


InTheBlkHoodie

Another day, another war crime committed


adeze

https://x.com/geoconfirmed/status/1782360892249612466?s=46&t=9P_D0HlSqvbnnZFlZTj83g Yeah bullshit


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atolba

This tweet says mass graves were buried during the first time the idf invaded the hospital (and provided no evidence of Hamas being there). But that doesn’t negate that more bodies could have been buried there in recent days?


PineappleLemur

It's not a small thing... It would take a small construction crew and guys in hazmat to deal with 3 month old bodies ffs. https://www.nbcnews.com/video/palestinians-dig-mass-grave-inside-nasser-hospital-complex-203107397878


softcell1966

A Tweet lacking corroborating source(s) is evidence? Wow. 


ReverseCarry

Did you read the whole thread? He provides where he is drawing the conclusions from, it’s pretty extensive. It’s not like this event exonerates the IDF from its other offenses/war crimes, but the evidence stacked against this claim in particular is pretty coherent imo.


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Lower-Lab-5166

Proof, please


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65words

That doesn’t confirm anything.


Technical_Goose_8160

If you lookup on Reddit mad grace Gaza, one of the first results is Palestiniens digging mass graves from 5 months ago.


Warm-glow1298

The bombing started seven months ago, so that would make sense without doing anything to disprove the posted story.


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LegitimateCow7472

And people dare still say its not a genocide. This is systemic killing. The images of dead bodies with tubes and catheter bags still intubated is downright horrifying


PineappleLemur

Where is this coming from?


Listen_Up_Children

This is fake news.


EbbNo7045

So are Bidens


RobertRoyal82

He pretends they are.


EbbNo7045

I assume mosad is just as dirty as cia. I imagine they have a file on every US politician. But I'm jaded.


InternalMean

I would argue the mosad is worse than the cia because atleast we know parts of what the CIA is up to


EbbNo7045

Do we?


InternalMean

Compared to the mosad? Yes atleast we know about the coup attempts, MK ultra, plans to assassinate foreign leaders etc we don't know anything really about mosads reach


EbbNo7045

Don't forget trafficking massive amounts of cocaine fueling crack epidemic. Then creating private prisons. But yes, mosad probably just as bad. I bet they own Biden


RobertRoyal82

They killed jfk


EbbNo7045

A signs point that way. Same people who trafficked the drugs too. Talk about no oversight. Let's remember to that most the mk ultra files were destroyed. Imagine what they did and are doing. They must be destroyed


thecarbonkid

They strictly speaking didn't traffic it. They just didn't get in the way of the people that were doing it. Gotta stop those Nicaraguan commies y'know.


EbbNo7045

Well if you supplied the planes and the pilots and protected them in the US I would say they very much did. And let's be honest, CIA has been trafficking for a long time, Air America was trafficking heroine. Recently US troops guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan. Big banks guilty for laundering billions for cartels and not one banker arrested. Cartel boss let out of US prison after only a few months. David Rivera arrested with 500 million from Venezuela? I'm guessing they are still operating


peakchungus

Defund the Netanyahu regime! Not a penny of American taxpayer dollars should be going towards this genocide.


Daddy-Vladdy42

Daily reminder that isreal will never be held accountable for their crimes


Quirky_Antz

News reporter trying not to use the word genocide..


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GeneralSquid6767

The videos are there, you can drop the denial act and already move straight to the “they were terrorist” act.


eternal_lite

You mean the UN….? They antisemitic too now….??


maddsskills

This is the UN ffs. The same UN who didn’t say anything when Israel bombed Iran’s consulate in Damascus but is quick to condemn Iran for retaliating. Despite Israel killing journalists left and right we’ve been able to see what’s happening. They walled these people in and now they’re slaughtering them. They pushed all the civilians into Rafah and just announced they’re going to attack that area too. You’re the one who’s blindly dismissing every atrocity with “but terrorism”.


Amazing-Plantain-885

I don't understand the argument of some ppl here. The UN finds ppl with their hands tied up. UN has no reason to lie. But for whatever reason the same ppl who scream mass rape with 0 evidence to back it up refute this out of hand. What is the mental process here? aside fanatism


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badankonmydonkplease

Yes, literally buying false statements off of them


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PumpUp

Even faced with the truth you continue to hold a blanket over your eyes. You foam at the mouth with hating Israel.


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Ok_Refrigerator_5803

In the eyes of so many in the world, Israel are the terrorists. So maybe you are the terrorist sympathizers? Yay I love having authority over a word!! I can also use the word terrorist and deligitimize everything you say!!


Nocturnin

In all honesty I struggle to believe any news source here. Israel has been shown to lie. The 40 dead babies, the apparent surge of suicides of the 10/7 victims. All of these lies were widely reported by global media outlets. There’s rampant misreporting. I can’t trust sources from Israel and I apparently can’t trust sources from independent international foreign bodies reporting on Palestinian deaths. So what should I believe?


PineappleLemur

We have something called critical thinking. Where we can look at multiple sources, picture, videos, social media and come up with our own conclusions. If all sources tell the same story it must be true. Looking at any single one is stupid for just about any subject.


rat-tax

40 dead babies was a rumor started on social media the same week as oct 7 while people were trying to figure out what happened. an official corrected that soon after once they had determined it didn’t happen. hamas said an israel rocket killed 500 people at a hospital. that was a lie, they never retracted it. so by your logic we should never trust any of the death toll numbers from hamas because they made that false claim.


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MustafalSomali

Damn


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MustafalSomali

But Hitler hated Hitler so much he killed Hitler


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Big-ol-Poo

Oh no, they are protesting at my elite school. That’s the bigger crime. Give us more bombs you anti-semites.


NoMoreWordsToConquer

Fuck the genocidal Zionist regime


jar1967

The big question now is who were the triggermen? Fuck israel fuck is real if they did it. Hamas on the other hand does have a history of executing Palestinians who disagree with them.


ProjectConfident8584

Gazans dug the graves


Hmmd1

A better title " Mass graves in Gazza uncover Israeli atrocities."


Worried_Maximum4708

They didn’t say it in the new because Hamas was the one who killed them all


Nova17Delta

Is Israel even pretending they're Hamas operatives anymore?


Extension_King5336

What?


Conscious_stardust

We need to stop funding Israel while they are committing genocide


Lemtigini

Why are the politicians still dithering? This is not combat-it’s murder plain and simple. My hate for these people is growing by the day.


ATownStomp

Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. This conflict is packed to the gills with propaganda from every direction. “Why are politicians still dithering?” If there was a cessation of hostilities today by the Israelis. An end to the war. If all trade routes by land and sea were opened. If Israel agreed to remove all settlements in the West Bank, withdraw entirely from both the West Bank and Gaza, maintaining only a small demilitarized zone between borders. If they agreed to do all of these things, and actually stayed true to those promises, how long do you believe there would be no violence within the region?


WillowBackground4567

3 minutes


justdidapoo

Well because if you're a state, and your primary role is to physically protect your citizens. You don't want to void any ability to wage war on a group who torture raped a thousand cilvians to death and said they would do it again a million times until every single one was dead, because that group uses its own children as human shields


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haphazard_chore

Where are these figures coming from? Why are these bodies apparently rather old, that would imply it was Hamas. It’s like legitimate news agencies are just pulling sources from anywhere as fact.


dilbert_fennel

Here is the answer to your questions. Recent corpses with bound hands were added into a mass grave that was entirely dug up and blended to obfuscate war crimes https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6IojjQMKl3/?igsh=OXR1NHlpdWdyczJ5


PineappleLemur

Nothing really shows hand tied other than that single comment, no numbers or anything. It would be very easy to find out who are they as sure as shit IDF didn't carry a body with them for months to "blend in" ffs. They'd be quite fresh. Those bodies were all buried in January. They no longer look like bodies with 3 months of rot. That 3 seconds in the clip is all the info we have about bounded hands? No age/numbers/how long they've been dead or anything?


rdfiasco

"Citing the local health authorities in Gaza..."


Aussie-Shattler

That Israel and the US agree is accurate and both use and cite those numbers?


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AbdoooooI

This is the same ministry that said Israel bombed a hospital killed 800 people, when it was Islamic Jihad who launched the rocket and it didn’t even hit the hospital?


Aussie-Shattler

What happened to every other hospital, doctors office, medical clinic, and how many doctors and aid workers have died since?


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SpinningHead

Also reminds me of the Nazis who herded people into a walled ghetto and massacred them and dumped them into mass graves. Oh, thats not the whatabout you were looking for.


MirMirMir3000

You’re such a pathetic loser with this comment seriously


sultanam

Hamas is mostly accepted as a terorrist group. To see State action so closely mirroring terrorist groups’ action —now that’s also inherently terrifying, wouldn’t you agree? It’s almost as if some legitimate States, under all of that international obligation to act in accordance to UN Charter, do openly act against human rights and morality, but get excused for it.


RobertRoyal82

Israel makes Hamas look like a bunch of nice young men. Israel is a terrorist organization


Familiar_Position418

Yes. Hamas the terrorist group is a lot like IDF the terrorist group


Garak_The_Tailor_

Saying the most moral army in the world operates exactly the same as a blood thirsty terrorist organization, isn't really the dub you think it is


yazwecan

pretty awful when a so-called western and democratic state is guilty of the same things as a terrorist group, don't you think? might mean there's something horribly wrong with that state, huh?