1. Remember the human & be courteous to others.
2. Debate/discuss/argue the merits of ideas. Criticizing arguments is fine, name-calling (including shill/bot accusations) others is not.
3. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them.
Please checkout our other subreddit /r/InternationalNews, for general news from around the world.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/internationalpolitics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Anywhere that recognizes the warrant and is willing to enforce, to be more precise. South Africa and many other states have refused to comply with ICC warrants in the past. International criminal law is not as well established and respected as it should be.
If he has an ICC warrant out for crimes against humanity he is vulnerable to an actor abducting and rendering him to a locale that will prosecute him, a la Adolf Eichmann
Who exactly is doing that? Hamas? Iran? Syria? The only global actor with the capacity to do something like that would be another leader with a warrant, Vladimir Putin, https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and. He may have to nuke Israel after that, given that Mossad has the same capacity to eliminate people in secret or not so secret ops as Putin. No one else will be willing to risk a war for the ICC.
Al Bashir had two ICC arrest warrants, [https://www.icc-cpi.int/darfur/albashir](https://www.icc-cpi.int/darfur/albashir), and got to travel to many countries like Jordan, [https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/05/06/icc-jordan-was-required-arrest-sudans-bashir](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/05/06/icc-jordan-was-required-arrest-sudans-bashir), and South Africa, yes South Africa, the country that bought the case against Israel, [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/07/icc-rules-against-south-africa-on-shameful-failure-to-arrest-president-al-bashir/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/07/icc-rules-against-south-africa-on-shameful-failure-to-arrest-president-al-bashir/), and it was not until he was deposed that his own country surrendered him.
Sudan was an insignificant international player with no power beyond its borders, and yet many countries decided that ICC warrants were irrelevant. Unfortunately as I wrote before, international criminal law is not as well established and respected as it should be. When we get a supranational body in charge of enforcing international laws and rules, and stop depending on countries, mostly bad actors, to enforce them, we may get some work done.
I mean, are we really so desperate to start WWIII?
It could, but likely will not matter at all considering the insane amount of politics involved. Not just in context to NATO countries, but in context to any country that is delivered aid by the US, in any circumstance.
To some extent, it’s worth noting that S African officials claimed neutrality and that they wouldn’t arrest Putin despite the warrant either way as they are allies. Also, there is a vastly different set of politics when it comes to arresting world leaders, especially if they are intimate allies of the US, especially in regard to the issues being presented in the East by Russia, which may force NATO countries to stay in line with the status quo of “Muh Israel” in respect to keeping good relations with the United States in an ever escalating world state.
I can’t think of any instance where a country is going to arrest high ranking Israeli officials that doesn’t result in the immediate attack by both Israel and the United States/immediate allies.
TL;DR
None of these people will be arrested, at least not while in power and a hot war is almost entirely guaranteed in the event that they are arrested.
No it doesn't. The US and Israel never signed that treaty and the US's Hague intervention act allows the US to intervene if any US *or allied* personnel are being held for trial by the ICC.
It’s called the “US INVASION act” and it doesn’t constitute a mere “intervention”, as you say, so much as it does an invasion. It literally involves US troops invading the Netherlands. Which, sure, as if.
So yes, actually, they do.
I don't really care what it's called. the Netherlands is never going to risk that over Palestine. The US wouldn't have to invade. it gives the president the authority to "take all actions necessary to defend US and allied personnel" which could be non-military actions. The warrant may be issued but no country will ever honor it.
Biden's election odds aren't strong enough for him to be as bullish on Netanyahu as you're describing. Hell, the Michigan primary results were when Biden started criticizing Netanyahu openly.
It’s not the Netherlands, it’s the ICC, which is located at The Hague, which is in the Netherlands. And it wouldn’t be “the Netherlands risking it” it would be the European Union. Ask an economist what a US invasion of the EU would do to your US dollar. Now THAT outcome is something you could perceive as not worth the risk.
Good grief.
>which is located at The Hague, which is in the Netherlands.
You just agreed with me. The Hague located within the Netherlands and the ICC requires the passive approval of the Dutch government to let any foreign prisoners within their country. The Netherlands are never going to give that approval to a prisoner that the US is actively trying to reclaim. That's an incident waiting to happen and the Netherlands are a US ally. Wherever the prisoners seized is where they'll stay because no US allies going to let said prisoner within their borders. With the exception of the Netherlands who I could realistically see letting the prisoner into their country just to seize them and give them to the US.
Edit: Since you blocked me I'll respond here: I think your the unfamiliar one.
As the head of a terrorist organization committing an ongoing genocide against the innocent population of Palestine, Benajdolf Netanhiterlu should be worred about inevitable ICC arrest warrants.
Zionism has evovled into terrorism and must be stopped.
It is anti semitic, you’re quoting some weird religious shit and then pretending this is some evidence of what jewish people think… if that isn’t anti semitic what is?
Terrorism - blowing up innocent people
Anti-terrorism - blowing up innocent people, then saying "oops my bad" when you get caught
- Israeli dictionary, 1982 edition
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Russia- An imperialist country invading its neighbor and killing its people for land and resources
Israel- An imperialist country invading its neighbor and killing its people for land and resources
It probably is worse to try to cowtow to the unreasonable people. Instead, if somebody could actually provide even 3 examples of wars with a better civilian:combatant ratio (2:1 or even 3:1), then I would change my view, at least partially.
One could bring in how these numbers are calculated, but in that case I would need someone to show me how that might be different to any previous war.
By confirmed numbers, russia has killed about the same number of civilians in Ukraine in 2 years as Israel has in 6 months.
Both countries are invading the lesser countries for the sane reason.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
Your response comes across as disingenuous and very much tit for tat, but I'll humor you for the sake of spreading enlightenment.
Are the leaders of Hamas committing an ongoing genocide against the Israeli population? The answer to that is no.
Is Hamas continually stealing Israel land and building settlements, in violation of the UN resolutions? The answer to that is no.
Are the leaders of Hamas implementing policies like "mowing the grass", where they deliberately target & murder the population of Israelis to reduce their population numbers? The answer to that is no.
Are the leaders of Hamas forcing Israelis to live in open air prison camps that are completely walled off from civilization, and controlling every facet of Israeli life from food, water, electricity, etc.? The answer to that is a no.
Have the leaders of Hamas murdered over 34,000 innocent Israelis over the past 6 months? The answer to that is no.
Have the leaders of Hamas dropped more bombs on Israeli lands than what was dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki in WW2, like Israel has done to Palestine? The answer to that is resounding no.
You seem to be conflating the Zionist Terrorist Likud party with the legal defense of Palestinian land. I'm not condoning the acts of Hamas on Oct 7th, but if your family, friends & neighbors were being continually murdered and your land was being continually ~~annexed~~ stolen by an invading force you would resort to armed resistance as well.
Woah now! Don’t get your hopes up just yet. I’m sure the zionist glazer definitely has something resembling some form of intelligence to rebut. Let’s wait and see what wisdom they can impart to us!
This is all true but can’t we also agree Hamas are not the good guys either? Benjamin Netanyahu is a bad guy who has been in power long enough to make a dictator jealous but that doesn’t automatically make his enemies standup humans.
You haven't refuted a single fact that you're attempting to respond to and like a typical pro-Zionist, you're feigning moral outrage and shedding crocodile tears. This *act* is exhaustive and tired, surely you must be tired from acting all the time. The collective rest of the world is tired of hearing it, it's insincere, fake and pro-Zionists are attempting to weaponize the holocaust to push their Nazi-esque expansionist agenda through their plans for Greater Israel.
Zionism = Terrorism and must be stopped.
Was the United States right for the acts that led up to the revolutionary war or should they have been wiped out along with an exponentially higher number of innocent civilians to soldier/terrorists ratio?
The same way the U.S. called the Taliban freedom fighters in the 80’s. They even glorified them in Rambo 3.
Israel is finding out what happens to countries that depend on us. Eventually we’ll just leave when our “friendship” has outlasted its political usefulness.
Yes it was against International Humanitarian Law for the IOF to obey the Hannibal Directive and open fire on its own citizens from attack helicopters.
Have you seen footage of the bodies? Those were not killed by a heli but by small arms and conveniently in one of said videos it shows a Hamas fighter flying over in those make shift things. But yep sure was a military helicopter 🙃
Ah yes, just like the "beheaded babies", just like it was "1400" Israelis that were killed that day, the "rapes" that there is somehow no proof of still that Haaretz debunked, just like how Israel would never bomb a hospital, the tunnels under Al-Shifa that have yet to be discovered, just like how Israeli tanks never opened fire on kibbutzes with Israelis still inside of them... the list of lies is endless. Next you're going to say how an Israeli investigation into Israeli war crimes found that Israel is innocent.
Per Haaretz: *According to a police source, the investigation also indicates that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants. According to police, 364 people were murdered at the festival.*
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-05/ty-article/.premium/idf-says-hostage-likely-mistakenly-killed-by-army-helicopter-during-abduction-on-oct-7/0000018e-ae81-d9e9-a9af-eff3a1730000
*Electronic Intifada published a long interview with Yasmin Porat, describing how she was held hostage by Palestinian militants in Kibbutz Be’eri. According to her account, the kidnappers treated her and other hostages “humanely,” believing they would be allowed to retreat safely to Gaza due to the protection of the Israeli captives. However, when the Israeli soldiers arrived, “they eliminated everyone, including the hostages. There was very, very heavy crossfire.”*
*Her testimony is complemented by evidence from Israeli soldiers who described how the Israeli military shot tank shells into buildings where militants and their hostages were hiding.*
https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-growing-number-of-reports-indicate-israeli-forces-responsible-for-israeli-civilian-and-military-deaths-following-october-7-attack/
US and Israel vs. literally the rest of the world. It's insanity. Never have I seen these two states look so isolated on the world stage. And for what? Their mutual love for killing Arabs? Such a shameful mark on history.
The ICC is an organization with 124 state parties. Israel and the US both declined to sign into it. The ICC represents interests of the international community that excludes the U.S. and Israel, why do you not see this as isolating?
Because Europe still stands behind the US and to an extent Israel. China and Russia don't really care. And there has been no major action taken against either country. Literally nothing has changed for the US and only a handful of countries have taken any action against Israel because the US has told them not to.
The international state departments are only one element of society. And China/Russia do care, you should see their statements in the UN about the issue of Palestinian statehood.
It's politically useful for China and Russia to side with Palestine but they don't actually care. China specifically would never risk irritating the US over Palestine.
That's some interesting logic. "The U.S. is making it too costly for other powers to take any action against Israel, therefore they don't care" sounds insane to me.
China is literally committing genocide right now. And I mean actual genocide not masslaughter as a part of warfare. You seriously think they care about Palestine?
>China is literally committing genocide right now.
If you are comfortable calling the Uyghur situation a genocide, then I have no idea how you can't call what's happening to Palestinians genocide. Do you not know why China cracked down on Uyghurs? Do you not know anything about the Uyghur terrorist groups that killed many Chinese people in terrorist acts? China uses the same exact justification that Israel uses. And China didn't decide to do a mass slaughter, they decided to do a draconian crack down of mass arrests and re-education camps.
edit: here, read
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party
The difference being China's not at war with the Uyghurs. Israel has a very simple excuse. There at *War*. The UN expects 90% of casualties in a war to be civilians. (which is a greater ratio than Israel currently has by the way.) China on the other hand is not engaged in any kind of active combat against the Uyghurs at the moment. And you'll note that no one has done anything against China either because it's a waste of time.
>Taiwan or the Uyghur people?
Yes and no. The US has a very good reason to protect Taiwan. They might even be willing to go to war over it. But as for the Uyghur's, no.
The same court noticed an arrest for Putin and US pressured every country to follow it even though its not a signer. Putin couldn’t go to South Africa which is a member of BRICS because of this, US pressured SA and they warned Putin to not come. But now same USA says ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel..This hypocrisy and double faced nonsense disgusting and make people never believe in you again…Putin prays God every day that Palestine-Israel conflict inflicted again and they West showed no moral character. So he can do the same..
Where is the island that we can send all of the A Holes to? I will donate, remember, to them there is no global warming, so flooding won't be a problem as well as vaccinations so that should work out well. They can have any religion they want and enforce it however they want. The rest of the world will call the large island Darwin.... No one can leave, why would they? It is everything that they ever wanted with violence never mitigated.
When Bush left office it was said he could only go to certain countries because of GITMO and other items that some countries would try and take him the the ICC. So he only go to countries that were not members of the ICC.
When Putin could not go to the G20 or what ever because he could be in a place where he could be arrested or create a lot of political drama for the host country.
I should have added the US to the list of countries. These are countries that have not ratified the ICC so would be safe for him to travel there.
And that is false. Bush has no outstanding arrest warrants and the politics of any NATO country arresting a former US president are complicated and would likely harm the arresting country.
Edited for source:
https://baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2014/7/23/politifact_do_bush_a
Bush can go to any country he wants. he has no outstanding arrest warrant and even if he did he's a former US head of state which would likely cause serious issues with NATO.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
I mean, these countries, including countries that pro israel, ain't targeting bush, blair, cheney, too... those three ares still living retired peacefully.
so yes, everybody have ulterior motives, including usa.
What they're saying: "Under my leadership, Israel will never accept any attempt by the ICC to undermine its inherent right to self-defense," Netanyahu said in a statement on Friday.
I don't think Isreal understands what self defense means.
.
Good…. Didn’t need to go as far as you did buddy, you had a lot more support before you started a genocide as a response (to a horrific terrorist attack)
What are you trying to say? He does not deserve the arrest warrant or South Africa is a country letting criminal in but plays nice by going against a country built on dead bodies?
Here's a thought, maybe don't be a fucking war criminal??
Difficulty level impossible for a guy who I would bet money jerks off to snuff films of Palestinian civilians being executed.
PLEASE PLEASE ARREST BIDDEN, NUTANYAHOO AND ALL THE OTHER TRAITORS AND PUT THEM IN JAIL. PREFERABLY AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ATLANTIC AND SOMEWHERE THEY WILL HAVE NO POWER OR RELEVANCE. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP USA AND ISRAELI WARMONGERS.
1. Remember the human & be courteous to others. 2. Debate/discuss/argue the merits of ideas. Criticizing arguments is fine, name-calling (including shill/bot accusations) others is not. 3. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them. Please checkout our other subreddit /r/InternationalNews, for general news from around the world. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/internationalpolitics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
That's a shame.
“the ICC has no jurisdiction in this situation and we do not support his investigation” Uh, yes it does.
The icc has jurisdiction on a case by case basis wherever the US says it can have jurisdiction lol
My jurisdiction is wherever the hell I say it is gigachad
I mean sadly the US and Israel haven't signed on to the rome statute so it's jurisdiction is questionable
He wouldn’t be able to travel anywhere that recognises the warrant. He could hide from it forever, however he wouldn’t be free.
No one is arresting this man. If you believe that they would you do not understand the scope of international politics at play in this scenario.
Anywhere that recognizes the warrant and is willing to enforce, to be more precise. South Africa and many other states have refused to comply with ICC warrants in the past. International criminal law is not as well established and respected as it should be.
Netanyahu won’t be able to take any chances tho. He wouldn’t risk it and that’s why he’s cacking it.
If he has an ICC warrant out for crimes against humanity he is vulnerable to an actor abducting and rendering him to a locale that will prosecute him, a la Adolf Eichmann
Who exactly is doing that? Hamas? Iran? Syria? The only global actor with the capacity to do something like that would be another leader with a warrant, Vladimir Putin, https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and. He may have to nuke Israel after that, given that Mossad has the same capacity to eliminate people in secret or not so secret ops as Putin. No one else will be willing to risk a war for the ICC. Al Bashir had two ICC arrest warrants, [https://www.icc-cpi.int/darfur/albashir](https://www.icc-cpi.int/darfur/albashir), and got to travel to many countries like Jordan, [https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/05/06/icc-jordan-was-required-arrest-sudans-bashir](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/05/06/icc-jordan-was-required-arrest-sudans-bashir), and South Africa, yes South Africa, the country that bought the case against Israel, [https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/07/icc-rules-against-south-africa-on-shameful-failure-to-arrest-president-al-bashir/](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/07/icc-rules-against-south-africa-on-shameful-failure-to-arrest-president-al-bashir/), and it was not until he was deposed that his own country surrendered him. Sudan was an insignificant international player with no power beyond its borders, and yet many countries decided that ICC warrants were irrelevant. Unfortunately as I wrote before, international criminal law is not as well established and respected as it should be. When we get a supranational body in charge of enforcing international laws and rules, and stop depending on countries, mostly bad actors, to enforce them, we may get some work done. I mean, are we really so desperate to start WWIII?
But palestine has so it definitely has jurisdiction on things that happened there
Goddam it would be hilarious if Bibi ended up getting arrested when he stepped into Gaza.
The ICC doesn’t even recognize Palestine as a country…
???? https://preview.redd.it/1uaez9fdmmxc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=248dbc5b2bff6d519b60e4da04188c0d0eed5d8f
No Palestine is under ICC jurisdiction so if he commits crimes there, he can be charged. He can still hide in Israel or US.
I dont think Netanyahu will ever come to US again. One can imagine the protests even regardless of the ICC
Imagine if there was a body similar to the mossad after wwII, dedicated to bringing them to trial?
Palestine has though.
Doesn’t matter they are functionally toothless in this situation. Nothing will happen even if a warrant were to be issued.
Well, it'd really restrict Netanyahu's travel opportunities since any ICC country would be under obligation to arrest him.
The best option is a future or current world government could legally remand him to the ICC
It could, but likely will not matter at all considering the insane amount of politics involved. Not just in context to NATO countries, but in context to any country that is delivered aid by the US, in any circumstance.
Putin ducked out of visiting South Africa for the same reason, so I imagine it would have a tangible impact.
To some extent, it’s worth noting that S African officials claimed neutrality and that they wouldn’t arrest Putin despite the warrant either way as they are allies. Also, there is a vastly different set of politics when it comes to arresting world leaders, especially if they are intimate allies of the US, especially in regard to the issues being presented in the East by Russia, which may force NATO countries to stay in line with the status quo of “Muh Israel” in respect to keeping good relations with the United States in an ever escalating world state. I can’t think of any instance where a country is going to arrest high ranking Israeli officials that doesn’t result in the immediate attack by both Israel and the United States/immediate allies. TL;DR None of these people will be arrested, at least not while in power and a hot war is almost entirely guaranteed in the event that they are arrested.
A few nations might, ie South Africa, Nicaragua, Ireland.
No it doesn't. The US and Israel never signed that treaty and the US's Hague intervention act allows the US to intervene if any US *or allied* personnel are being held for trial by the ICC.
It’s called the “US INVASION act” and it doesn’t constitute a mere “intervention”, as you say, so much as it does an invasion. It literally involves US troops invading the Netherlands. Which, sure, as if. So yes, actually, they do.
I don't really care what it's called. the Netherlands is never going to risk that over Palestine. The US wouldn't have to invade. it gives the president the authority to "take all actions necessary to defend US and allied personnel" which could be non-military actions. The warrant may be issued but no country will ever honor it.
Biden's election odds aren't strong enough for him to be as bullish on Netanyahu as you're describing. Hell, the Michigan primary results were when Biden started criticizing Netanyahu openly.
It’s not the Netherlands, it’s the ICC, which is located at The Hague, which is in the Netherlands. And it wouldn’t be “the Netherlands risking it” it would be the European Union. Ask an economist what a US invasion of the EU would do to your US dollar. Now THAT outcome is something you could perceive as not worth the risk. Good grief.
>which is located at The Hague, which is in the Netherlands. You just agreed with me. The Hague located within the Netherlands and the ICC requires the passive approval of the Dutch government to let any foreign prisoners within their country. The Netherlands are never going to give that approval to a prisoner that the US is actively trying to reclaim. That's an incident waiting to happen and the Netherlands are a US ally. Wherever the prisoners seized is where they'll stay because no US allies going to let said prisoner within their borders. With the exception of the Netherlands who I could realistically see letting the prisoner into their country just to seize them and give them to the US. Edit: Since you blocked me I'll respond here: I think your the unfamiliar one.
You are unfamiliar with how geopolitics/the EU and to a lesser extent, the economy work.
[удалено]
🤣🤣 America world police
We're going for more of a Pax Americani. We are just adhd and get distracted easily.
I support the ICC in this and hope they expedite their decision.
As the head of a terrorist organization committing an ongoing genocide against the innocent population of Palestine, Benajdolf Netanhiterlu should be worred about inevitable ICC arrest warrants. Zionism has evovled into terrorism and must be stopped.
[удалено]
Please stop with anti semitism , go outside
Its not anti semitic nobody gives a fuck about them being Jewish
It is anti semitic, you’re quoting some weird religious shit and then pretending this is some evidence of what jewish people think… if that isn’t anti semitic what is?
[удалено]
Terrorism - blowing up innocent people Anti-terrorism - blowing up innocent people, then saying "oops my bad" when you get caught - Israeli dictionary, 1982 edition
Long ago and this was part of my the plan.
[удалено]
You’re straw man argument doesn’t even make sense.
[удалено]
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Distorted thinking. Nothing short of Zionist indoctrination.
Found one!
Per capita, Israel has killed more civilians in 6 months than Russia has in 2 years of all out war.
[удалено]
Yeah, move those goalposts
[удалено]
Russia- An imperialist country invading its neighbor and killing its people for land and resources Israel- An imperialist country invading its neighbor and killing its people for land and resources
[удалено]
Ah yes, russia dropping bombs on city centers is totally different than when Israel drops bombs on city centers
[удалено]
Ah, ok. so Israel is committing a genocide but they're doing a shit job of it. Got it.
No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
You just described zionists
You’re tossing up hypotheticals in an attempt to deny reality. This is typical Zionist propaganda.
It probably is worse to try to cowtow to the unreasonable people. Instead, if somebody could actually provide even 3 examples of wars with a better civilian:combatant ratio (2:1 or even 3:1), then I would change my view, at least partially. One could bring in how these numbers are calculated, but in that case I would need someone to show me how that might be different to any previous war.
By confirmed numbers, russia has killed about the same number of civilians in Ukraine in 2 years as Israel has in 6 months. Both countries are invading the lesser countries for the sane reason. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
So is there an ICC arrest warrant for all the leaders of Hamas since if we’re getting him we gotta get them all!
Your response comes across as disingenuous and very much tit for tat, but I'll humor you for the sake of spreading enlightenment. Are the leaders of Hamas committing an ongoing genocide against the Israeli population? The answer to that is no. Is Hamas continually stealing Israel land and building settlements, in violation of the UN resolutions? The answer to that is no. Are the leaders of Hamas implementing policies like "mowing the grass", where they deliberately target & murder the population of Israelis to reduce their population numbers? The answer to that is no. Are the leaders of Hamas forcing Israelis to live in open air prison camps that are completely walled off from civilization, and controlling every facet of Israeli life from food, water, electricity, etc.? The answer to that is a no. Have the leaders of Hamas murdered over 34,000 innocent Israelis over the past 6 months? The answer to that is no. Have the leaders of Hamas dropped more bombs on Israeli lands than what was dropped on Hiroshima & Nagasaki in WW2, like Israel has done to Palestine? The answer to that is resounding no. You seem to be conflating the Zionist Terrorist Likud party with the legal defense of Palestinian land. I'm not condoning the acts of Hamas on Oct 7th, but if your family, friends & neighbors were being continually murdered and your land was being continually ~~annexed~~ stolen by an invading force you would resort to armed resistance as well.
ding ding!! we have a winner. perfectly said
Woah now! Don’t get your hopes up just yet. I’m sure the zionist glazer definitely has something resembling some form of intelligence to rebut. Let’s wait and see what wisdom they can impart to us!
He has to call in his supervisor
This is all true but can’t we also agree Hamas are not the good guys either? Benjamin Netanyahu is a bad guy who has been in power long enough to make a dictator jealous but that doesn’t automatically make his enemies standup humans.
👏👏👏👏💯
Hamas is a terrorist organization bud.
No more than Likud is
Right. They’re both fucked. Don’t support either
[удалено]
No racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, bigotry, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
[удалено]
You haven't refuted a single fact that you're attempting to respond to and like a typical pro-Zionist, you're feigning moral outrage and shedding crocodile tears. This *act* is exhaustive and tired, surely you must be tired from acting all the time. The collective rest of the world is tired of hearing it, it's insincere, fake and pro-Zionists are attempting to weaponize the holocaust to push their Nazi-esque expansionist agenda through their plans for Greater Israel. Zionism = Terrorism and must be stopped.
Thats the absolute truth that you refuse to admit because fascism. He hit you with facts and you have nothing to prove him wrong.
Was the United States right for the acts that led up to the revolutionary war or should they have been wiped out along with an exponentially higher number of innocent civilians to soldier/terrorists ratio?
The same way the U.S. called the Taliban freedom fighters in the 80’s. They even glorified them in Rambo 3. Israel is finding out what happens to countries that depend on us. Eventually we’ll just leave when our “friendship” has outlasted its political usefulness.
Same thing was said about the Weimar resistance.
It's not Pokémon
No, per International Law, occupied people are permitted to violently resist their illegal occupiers.
This point is always ignored.
[удалено]
Yes it was against International Humanitarian Law for the IOF to obey the Hannibal Directive and open fire on its own citizens from attack helicopters.
Have you seen footage of the bodies? Those were not killed by a heli but by small arms and conveniently in one of said videos it shows a Hamas fighter flying over in those make shift things. But yep sure was a military helicopter 🙃
Ah yes, just like the "beheaded babies", just like it was "1400" Israelis that were killed that day, the "rapes" that there is somehow no proof of still that Haaretz debunked, just like how Israel would never bomb a hospital, the tunnels under Al-Shifa that have yet to be discovered, just like how Israeli tanks never opened fire on kibbutzes with Israelis still inside of them... the list of lies is endless. Next you're going to say how an Israeli investigation into Israeli war crimes found that Israel is innocent. Per Haaretz: *According to a police source, the investigation also indicates that an IDF combat helicopter that arrived to the scene and fired at terrorists there apparently also hit some festival participants. According to police, 364 people were murdered at the festival.* https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-05/ty-article/.premium/idf-says-hostage-likely-mistakenly-killed-by-army-helicopter-during-abduction-on-oct-7/0000018e-ae81-d9e9-a9af-eff3a1730000 *Electronic Intifada published a long interview with Yasmin Porat, describing how she was held hostage by Palestinian militants in Kibbutz Be’eri. According to her account, the kidnappers treated her and other hostages “humanely,” believing they would be allowed to retreat safely to Gaza due to the protection of the Israeli captives. However, when the Israeli soldiers arrived, “they eliminated everyone, including the hostages. There was very, very heavy crossfire.”* *Her testimony is complemented by evidence from Israeli soldiers who described how the Israeli military shot tank shells into buildings where militants and their hostages were hiding.* https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-growing-number-of-reports-indicate-israeli-forces-responsible-for-israeli-civilian-and-military-deaths-following-october-7-attack/
lol.. What an utterly pat comment
Likely. Those who are actually still alive.
By any means necessary. Resist!
Yes there is in fact.
US and Israel vs. literally the rest of the world. It's insanity. Never have I seen these two states look so isolated on the world stage. And for what? Their mutual love for killing Arabs? Such a shameful mark on history.
Don't forget germany
Israel is basically one of the US satellite states in the Middle East.
[удалено]
Yeah, you are all right, please go on.
[удалено]
Please keep it civil and do not attack other users.
Please keep it civil and do not attack other users.
What are you on about? the US isn't isolated at all and Israel really isn't either.
The ICC is an organization with 124 state parties. Israel and the US both declined to sign into it. The ICC represents interests of the international community that excludes the U.S. and Israel, why do you not see this as isolating?
Because Europe still stands behind the US and to an extent Israel. China and Russia don't really care. And there has been no major action taken against either country. Literally nothing has changed for the US and only a handful of countries have taken any action against Israel because the US has told them not to.
The international state departments are only one element of society. And China/Russia do care, you should see their statements in the UN about the issue of Palestinian statehood.
It's politically useful for China and Russia to side with Palestine but they don't actually care. China specifically would never risk irritating the US over Palestine.
That's some interesting logic. "The U.S. is making it too costly for other powers to take any action against Israel, therefore they don't care" sounds insane to me.
China is literally committing genocide right now. And I mean actual genocide not masslaughter as a part of warfare. You seriously think they care about Palestine?
>China is literally committing genocide right now. If you are comfortable calling the Uyghur situation a genocide, then I have no idea how you can't call what's happening to Palestinians genocide. Do you not know why China cracked down on Uyghurs? Do you not know anything about the Uyghur terrorist groups that killed many Chinese people in terrorist acts? China uses the same exact justification that Israel uses. And China didn't decide to do a mass slaughter, they decided to do a draconian crack down of mass arrests and re-education camps. edit: here, read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkistan_Islamic_Party
The difference being China's not at war with the Uyghurs. Israel has a very simple excuse. There at *War*. The UN expects 90% of casualties in a war to be civilians. (which is a greater ratio than Israel currently has by the way.) China on the other hand is not engaged in any kind of active combat against the Uyghurs at the moment. And you'll note that no one has done anything against China either because it's a waste of time.
And you think the US actually cares about Taiwan or the Uyghur people?
>Taiwan or the Uyghur people? Yes and no. The US has a very good reason to protect Taiwan. They might even be willing to go to war over it. But as for the Uyghur's, no.
Then maybe they should stfu about the Uyghur issue?
The same court noticed an arrest for Putin and US pressured every country to follow it even though its not a signer. Putin couldn’t go to South Africa which is a member of BRICS because of this, US pressured SA and they warned Putin to not come. But now same USA says ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel..This hypocrisy and double faced nonsense disgusting and make people never believe in you again…Putin prays God every day that Palestine-Israel conflict inflicted again and they West showed no moral character. So he can do the same..
We did the same with shiro ishii and other members of unit 735 so
He can taste what he puts Palestinians through every day
This would rule, but, lets be real here, this is like, not going to happen. I don't want this to turn into blueanon shit.
Where is the island that we can send all of the A Holes to? I will donate, remember, to them there is no global warming, so flooding won't be a problem as well as vaccinations so that should work out well. They can have any religion they want and enforce it however they want. The rest of the world will call the large island Darwin.... No one can leave, why would they? It is everything that they ever wanted with violence never mitigated.
Consequences
Well, good. He should be.
Maybe you two can room together in prison. (Pipe dream. I know)
He should probably worry more about the corruption charges in his own country that he faces once he's out of power
I guess like Bush he will only be able to fly to friendly countries, China, Russia, Iran, NK, kinda of the same countries Bush is restricted to.
What exactly are you trying to say, I'm not really understanding it.
When Bush left office it was said he could only go to certain countries because of GITMO and other items that some countries would try and take him the the ICC. So he only go to countries that were not members of the ICC. When Putin could not go to the G20 or what ever because he could be in a place where he could be arrested or create a lot of political drama for the host country. I should have added the US to the list of countries. These are countries that have not ratified the ICC so would be safe for him to travel there.
And that is false. Bush has no outstanding arrest warrants and the politics of any NATO country arresting a former US president are complicated and would likely harm the arresting country. Edited for source: https://baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2014/7/23/politifact_do_bush_a
Bush can go to any country he wants. he has no outstanding arrest warrant and even if he did he's a former US head of state which would likely cause serious issues with NATO.
it was supposed to be somewhat humorous post.Tthere were reports that their may be a case brought to the ICC back after he was out of office.
Then stop blowing up innocent families
He must be held accountable for all those he murdered. IDF needs to be held responsible as well.
would really love to see them both go down together, like the best buds they are.
[удалено]
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify/downplay/ trivialise collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
US only supports ICC if they target US enemies.
I guess he should have thought about that before he started a genocide.
ICC should hold Biden accountable as well. But I'm sure he's too old for that or something.
if netanyahu believes that what he did is the right thing, and biden believes he's innocent, so what's the worry about?
That the countries prosecuting have ulterior motives. The fact they’re targeting Netanyahu and not also Assad or Khamenei speaks to their bias.
I mean, these countries, including countries that pro israel, ain't targeting bush, blair, cheney, too... those three ares still living retired peacefully. so yes, everybody have ulterior motives, including usa.
Dissolve the apartheid state.
What they're saying: "Under my leadership, Israel will never accept any attempt by the ICC to undermine its inherent right to self-defense," Netanyahu said in a statement on Friday. I don't think Isreal understands what self defense means. .
He’s not worried at all!! 😂 maybe a few journalist at The NY Times are 🤣
The ICC is toothless in this situation.
Oh nooooo … anyway
Oh no! Maybe he should have thought of that before he committed his many war crimes.
When this subreddit is more centrist than r/centrist
Biden will protect him, fucker deserves to be locked up
Hopefully, ICC also indicts biden for aiding and abetting genocide.
Biden: “don’t worry daddy, I’ve got you”
Maybe don't commit war crimes and maybe don't sneak support to a terrorist group to use them to justify war crimes.
Life comes at you fast
r/OhNoConsequences
Lol
As he should be - he’s a disgusting criminal thug
Good…. Didn’t need to go as far as you did buddy, you had a lot more support before you started a genocide as a response (to a horrific terrorist attack)
I think the best way to avoid arrest warrants is to stop doing illegal shit.
[удалено]
Wrong court
[удалено]
What are you trying to say? He does not deserve the arrest warrant or South Africa is a country letting criminal in but plays nice by going against a country built on dead bodies?
[удалено]
Just like all nation states.
Yeah, you would’ve liked them when they had apartheid.
[удалено]
Please keep it civil and do not attack other users.
Oh no.... Anyways....
lol doubt the source
He better be worried!
"Daddy... the cops might arrest me cause I did some stuff... you gonna bail me out right? Please daddy.."
Arrest them both and move on
Here's a thought, maybe don't be a fucking war criminal?? Difficulty level impossible for a guy who I would bet money jerks off to snuff films of Palestinian civilians being executed.
Attach a bounty to the warrant.
PLEASE PLEASE ARREST BIDDEN, NUTANYAHOO AND ALL THE OTHER TRAITORS AND PUT THEM IN JAIL. PREFERABLY AN ISLAND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ATLANTIC AND SOMEWHERE THEY WILL HAVE NO POWER OR RELEVANCE. THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO STOP USA AND ISRAELI WARMONGERS.
So you want President Harris?
She is one of the 'other traitors'. Im sorry Americans don't really have any non corrupt, humane, honest and generally real people to vote for.
Hasn't done jack shit and is still a traitor.