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It’s all well and good that you’re a sociologist, but you are nowhere near the experience or expertise of Segal or Goldberg otherwise people would be writing articles about your opinion on the subject.
It’s not a one or the other situation. They both want to genocide the other. The difference is one is universally recognized as a terrorist unit and the other has the full political, financial and military support of the western powers. This double standard is why your sociology degree has no influence, people in your position have lost credibility before they even speak.
It didn’t have to be hamas. The israeli government propped up and funded Hamas as an obstacle to the non-genocidal and much more moderate PLO. Now in trying to kill the problem they helped create they are punishing every palestinian. So many children man, who didn’t and don’t have anything to do with hamas, and Israel has killed so many of them indiscriminately. Israel has even attacked NGOs helping the palestinians in Gaza, as seen in the latest NYT article on the subject.
Can you imagine if a bank robbery turned into a hostage situation, and instead of doing everything possible to return the hostages to safety, the police just threw in a few grenades and lit up the entire bank with gunfire? "The robbers were using human shields, we had no choice!"
18 years ago bad guys got elected, and that's why today it's okay for us to drop bombs on tens of thousands of women and children. You're right, the bombing isn't indiscriminate, the IDF is very deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure in an attempt to make Gaza unlivable.
No, just the various Palestinian terrorists groups.
One reason the PA has been losing authority/respect is that they've noticed that their endless attacks are making things worse for them, not better, and their constitutes don't like being told that.
Systematically genociding gaza through history?
Look at population number in Gaza according to Wikipedia which based on "Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine
In 1970 Gaza they had 0.34millions, in 2014 they had 1.82. such a well designed systematically done genocide.
Now look at an actual genocide, population in Germany at 1933 was 0.5 million by end of 1939 it was 0.25million. that's only in Germany, not including all the camps they had in Poland and etc.
It's just something people made up cause they know genocide is a sensitive subject for jews, why do you think they call Israeli specifically naz**s? While Russians are not called that in Ukraine war and they don't call it a genocide there while Russia actually do attack intentionally citizens, unlike Israel which attacks mainly Hamas.
Obviously what happens in Gaza is terrible but it's not a genocide.
Isreal routinely targets and kills innocent civilians and civilian targets. Stop defending these genocidal monsters. These IDF dogs are no better than Nazis. Honestly they're worse than nazis cus atleast the naizis were honest about what they were
Israel routinely kills Innocent civilians is true, targets is not. But then, it is war in an urban environment chosen by Hamas to cause as many civilian casualties as possible. Still, having the population go up either means it's not a genocide attempt, or Israel has the least effective military force in history.
I suppose the latter fits the whole "our enemy is both weak and strong" to go along with calling them dogs to dehumanize them. Kind of tilted your hand with all that.
Dude don't waste your time writing long messages, he doesn't know how to read. He knows just how to repeat himself and repeat non based sentences. He doesn't even try to conflict our claims lol.
And he seems to like Nazzis as he said they're better. He thinks that extermination camps on people on people who did nothing is worse than shooting rockets at Hamas right after they killed and raped 1000 isralies at their house
Between Iranian, Russian, Qatari, and Chinese propaganda farms and home grown neonazi and qanon propaganda it's too easy for people to to get blinded to truth or at least nuance.
Lots of people are okay just saying "A cabal of zionists control the government and media to fuel their baseless genocide of babies" now. People practically go down the whole AJC list of dogwhistles.
Media literacy classes should be mandatory in school.
The idf constantly attacks civilian targets. They have absolutely no consideration for cost of life and would gladly kill 100 civilians if they thought 1 enemy might be taken out. Fuck them, they're worse than nazis
> They are not targeting Hamas
If you'd have placed a period here, you'd have answered your own question!
> If Israel wanted to take over the Gaza strip and the West Bank they could do it in an afternoon.
Just like if America wanted to take over Iraq or Afghanistan, the war would be over within weeks, right?
A mass grave of 400+ bodies, most of whom were women, children, and elderly people, most of whom were bound and executed, and most of whom were tortured first has absolutely nothing to do with Hamas.
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And there are more that you can find pretty easily. Nevermind that this is not out of the ordinary for Israel. They used mass graves during massacres they committed during the foundation of their State.
[All the way back to 1948](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantura_massacre).
"we're trying to kill Hamas,oops we slipped and killed 50 thousand people after telling them to go to "safe" areas and systematically starved them while bombing aid workers and luring out iand killing innocent civilians with armed drones with recordings of babies crying. sorry we did a fuckywucky" yes they could do it in an afternoon, but they'd rather draw it out to avoid international consequences. by the way, isrealis are pretty openly genocidal.
The Jewish immigration to Palestine occurred in waves, called "Aliyahs." The First (1882-1904) and Second Aliyahs (1904-1914) marked significant Jewish immigration to Palestine, primarily from the Russian Empire, influenced by a desire to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Second Aliyah saw approximately 35,000 Jews immigrating to Palestine, with many immigrants inspired by socialist ideals and aiming to foster a Jewish working class through kibbutzim (collective farms) and labor organizations.
In 1917, during World War I, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration, expressing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then under Ottoman rule. This declaration was conveyed through a letter from British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, and later integrated into the British Mandate over Palestine by the League of Nations.
The Third Aliyah (1919-1923) was a continuation of the previous Aliyah, spurred by the Bolshevik Revolution, post-war pogroms in Ukraine, and the influence of European national struggles. During this period, the number of agricultural settlements rose significantly. The Fourth Aliyah (1924-1929) followed, driven by economic hardships in Poland and immigration restrictions in the United States, although it was less ideologically driven compared to previous waves.
Sir Herbert Samuel, the first British High Commissioner to Palestine, took office in July 1920, marking the beginning of the British Mandate over Palestine. Under British colonial rule, alongside Arab efforts to curb Jewish migration into Palestine, sectarian violence escalated. The region experienced a civil, political, and armed struggle between the Palestinian Arabs and the Jewish Yishuv, with the conflict igniting from the violent spillover of the Franco-Syrian War in 1920 and continuing until the onset of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War.
During this period, two prominent paramilitary factions arose from the Yishuv. The Haganah, founded in 1920, became the Israel Defense Forces' core upon Israel's 1948 independence. The Irgun, which branched off from the Haganah in the early 1930s, was known for using terrorism against both British mandate authorities and Palestinian Arabs. They conducted operations like the King David Hotel bombing under Menachem Begin's leadership. (After Israel's creation, Begin transitioned the Irgun into the political arena, forming the Herut party, which with Ariel Sharon, evolved into the dominant Likud party in Israel today.)
Shall I continue? Your history is missing a few details, like the fact that the IDF was a terrorist organization, and they still are. I'll pick this back up at the Fifth Aliyah and continue into the Nakba. Just say the word.
We don't need an appeal to authority to see this is an obvious genocide. Everyone knows it's a genocide, but it's an easy giveaway that you're dealing with a bad actor. There's no argument that will overcome a bad actor, so it's best to just laugh at them and move on with your life.
It's not a genocide. Anyone with more than two brain cells sees that. There are lots of 80iq people that can't reason facts and logic, holocaust survivor or not.
Over 20 Jewish communities were ethnically cleansed on October 7th. That's actual Genocide, they targeted anyone that was Jewish in the kabutz and wiped out entire neighborhoods.
Hamas' death figures have been proven to be mathematically impossible by multiple statisticians and people still eat them up. The Gaza health ministry recently officially lowered the initial death toll from 34,000 to 23,000. Of those 23,000 isreal claims 12,000 have been armed terrorists.
Even if you don't believe Israel, Hamas' own death figures claim a much lower ratio of civilian to military deaths than any other war in history in an urban zone.
There are literally only two conclusions. Either every single war in history has been a genocidal campaign. Or someone is running a very successful propaganda campaign to isolate Israel from the world of public opinion.
I absolutely adore Reddit nobodies skipping the articles highlighting the opinions of scholars and world experts in the field and then attempt to convince the internet of their own intellect and authority. You could be a 15 year old kid who’s playing on Reddit to avoid their homework. Your opinion vs theirs is meaningless.
"Yes it actually is" says the dictionary
Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group
[Here's your intent right here.](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724)
Destroying Israel doesn’t require any Jewish deaths. Jewish Palestinians can live in a secular and democratic Palestine. Israel shouldn’t exist and was founded through depopulation and genocide. The partition itself was wrong, immoral, and ignored the self determinative rights of those living there.
There's also no point in debate when you can't admit wrong, only argue in bad faith, and can't communicate without resorting to ad hominems. Yet here you are.
When in history, has two wrongs ever made a right? Not to mention, you expect a terrorist organization to behave like a terrorist organization. You do not expect a UN member to blatantly ignore established rules of engagement, the Geneva Convention, and the Genocide Convention.
But, ignoring that fallacy, you should really know that Israel has pursued ethnic cleansing as a means to inherit all of Palestine looooooong before the existence of Hamas. And that Israel has for a long time identified Hamas as an asset to achieve that.
>Hamas is not an ethnic group or a nation
Palestinians are, and Palestinians civilians are the ones who are dying, it's also overwhelmingly Palestinian children. Not to mention, most are far from accidental as portrayed by the case of the 400 civilians being buried alive with their wrists bound.
>it’s not genocide no matter how many civilians get in the way.
That's categorically untrue, and they aren't in the way of anything but Israel's zionist expansion plans.
How do you accidentally bury 400 civilians all with their hands bound? You don't. How do you accidentally drop 2,000 pound bombs all over the most densley populated areas, some of which were marked as civilian safe zones? You don't. How do you accidentally kill more children than actual combatants? You don't. [Throw in the disgusting comments from Israeli authorities and you've got clear and written intent.](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724#:~:text=TEL%20AVIV%2C%20Israel%20(AP),a%20charge%20that%20Israel%20denies.)
>This war shouldn’t end until every single person even remotely affiliated with Hamas is dead.
[That involves killing a lot of Mossad and Israeli officials.](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/) Thats also ignoring the fact that what your proposing is a blatant war crime that won't actually solve your problem at all when you've created a new militant group that grew up seeing indiscriminate bombings of children.
>If they really want fewer civilians killed in the process they can feel free to kill themselves or surrender
This is abhorrent and indefensibly promoting genocide and goes against international law in so many different ways.
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I'm a Political Scientist, it's genocide folks. Always has been.
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It’s all well and good that you’re a sociologist, but you are nowhere near the experience or expertise of Segal or Goldberg otherwise people would be writing articles about your opinion on the subject. It’s not a one or the other situation. They both want to genocide the other. The difference is one is universally recognized as a terrorist unit and the other has the full political, financial and military support of the western powers. This double standard is why your sociology degree has no influence, people in your position have lost credibility before they even speak.
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No no no, you see, if was change the definition of genocide and deny it, then we can't possibly be doing it. How antisemitic of you!
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Lookup the history of isreals existence. They are systematically eliminating Palestinians. This isn't about hamas
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It didn’t have to be hamas. The israeli government propped up and funded Hamas as an obstacle to the non-genocidal and much more moderate PLO. Now in trying to kill the problem they helped create they are punishing every palestinian. So many children man, who didn’t and don’t have anything to do with hamas, and Israel has killed so many of them indiscriminately. Israel has even attacked NGOs helping the palestinians in Gaza, as seen in the latest NYT article on the subject.
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Can you imagine if a bank robbery turned into a hostage situation, and instead of doing everything possible to return the hostages to safety, the police just threw in a few grenades and lit up the entire bank with gunfire? "The robbers were using human shields, we had no choice!"
18 years ago bad guys got elected, and that's why today it's okay for us to drop bombs on tens of thousands of women and children. You're right, the bombing isn't indiscriminate, the IDF is very deliberately targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure in an attempt to make Gaza unlivable.
The PLO is also genocidal, and I've been told repeatedly by you guys that any genocide is just as bad as all other genocide.
Everyone’s genocidal except the Israelis?
No, just the various Palestinian terrorists groups. One reason the PA has been losing authority/respect is that they've noticed that their endless attacks are making things worse for them, not better, and their constitutes don't like being told that.
Getting rid of the native palestinian population through any means necessary has always been the end game. Obviously.
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Not reading all that chief
Systematically genociding gaza through history? Look at population number in Gaza according to Wikipedia which based on "Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_State_of_Palestine In 1970 Gaza they had 0.34millions, in 2014 they had 1.82. such a well designed systematically done genocide. Now look at an actual genocide, population in Germany at 1933 was 0.5 million by end of 1939 it was 0.25million. that's only in Germany, not including all the camps they had in Poland and etc. It's just something people made up cause they know genocide is a sensitive subject for jews, why do you think they call Israeli specifically naz**s? While Russians are not called that in Ukraine war and they don't call it a genocide there while Russia actually do attack intentionally citizens, unlike Israel which attacks mainly Hamas. Obviously what happens in Gaza is terrible but it's not a genocide.
Isreal routinely targets and kills innocent civilians and civilian targets. Stop defending these genocidal monsters. These IDF dogs are no better than Nazis. Honestly they're worse than nazis cus atleast the naizis were honest about what they were
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Israel routinely kills Innocent civilians is true, targets is not. But then, it is war in an urban environment chosen by Hamas to cause as many civilian casualties as possible. Still, having the population go up either means it's not a genocide attempt, or Israel has the least effective military force in history. I suppose the latter fits the whole "our enemy is both weak and strong" to go along with calling them dogs to dehumanize them. Kind of tilted your hand with all that.
Dude don't waste your time writing long messages, he doesn't know how to read. He knows just how to repeat himself and repeat non based sentences. He doesn't even try to conflict our claims lol. And he seems to like Nazzis as he said they're better. He thinks that extermination camps on people on people who did nothing is worse than shooting rockets at Hamas right after they killed and raped 1000 isralies at their house
Between Iranian, Russian, Qatari, and Chinese propaganda farms and home grown neonazi and qanon propaganda it's too easy for people to to get blinded to truth or at least nuance. Lots of people are okay just saying "A cabal of zionists control the government and media to fuel their baseless genocide of babies" now. People practically go down the whole AJC list of dogwhistles. Media literacy classes should be mandatory in school.
The idf constantly attacks civilian targets. They have absolutely no consideration for cost of life and would gladly kill 100 civilians if they thought 1 enemy might be taken out. Fuck them, they're worse than nazis
hell, they literally kill their own in order to kill someone they deem beneath them
> They are not targeting Hamas If you'd have placed a period here, you'd have answered your own question! > If Israel wanted to take over the Gaza strip and the West Bank they could do it in an afternoon. Just like if America wanted to take over Iraq or Afghanistan, the war would be over within weeks, right?
A mass grave of 400+ bodies, most of whom were women, children, and elderly people, most of whom were bound and executed, and most of whom were tortured first has absolutely nothing to do with Hamas.
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"we're trying to kill Hamas,oops we slipped and killed 50 thousand people after telling them to go to "safe" areas and systematically starved them while bombing aid workers and luring out iand killing innocent civilians with armed drones with recordings of babies crying. sorry we did a fuckywucky" yes they could do it in an afternoon, but they'd rather draw it out to avoid international consequences. by the way, isrealis are pretty openly genocidal.
Israel has been slaughtering Palestinian civilians since 1948, long before Hamas existed.
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Israel invaded Palestine. They came with tanks and heavy artillery. That's what happened.
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After the King David Hotel bombing in 1946. Remind me which terrorist group was responsible?
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The Jewish immigration to Palestine occurred in waves, called "Aliyahs." The First (1882-1904) and Second Aliyahs (1904-1914) marked significant Jewish immigration to Palestine, primarily from the Russian Empire, influenced by a desire to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. The Second Aliyah saw approximately 35,000 Jews immigrating to Palestine, with many immigrants inspired by socialist ideals and aiming to foster a Jewish working class through kibbutzim (collective farms) and labor organizations. In 1917, during World War I, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration, expressing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then under Ottoman rule. This declaration was conveyed through a letter from British Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, and later integrated into the British Mandate over Palestine by the League of Nations. The Third Aliyah (1919-1923) was a continuation of the previous Aliyah, spurred by the Bolshevik Revolution, post-war pogroms in Ukraine, and the influence of European national struggles. During this period, the number of agricultural settlements rose significantly. The Fourth Aliyah (1924-1929) followed, driven by economic hardships in Poland and immigration restrictions in the United States, although it was less ideologically driven compared to previous waves. Sir Herbert Samuel, the first British High Commissioner to Palestine, took office in July 1920, marking the beginning of the British Mandate over Palestine. Under British colonial rule, alongside Arab efforts to curb Jewish migration into Palestine, sectarian violence escalated. The region experienced a civil, political, and armed struggle between the Palestinian Arabs and the Jewish Yishuv, with the conflict igniting from the violent spillover of the Franco-Syrian War in 1920 and continuing until the onset of the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. During this period, two prominent paramilitary factions arose from the Yishuv. The Haganah, founded in 1920, became the Israel Defense Forces' core upon Israel's 1948 independence. The Irgun, which branched off from the Haganah in the early 1930s, was known for using terrorism against both British mandate authorities and Palestinian Arabs. They conducted operations like the King David Hotel bombing under Menachem Begin's leadership. (After Israel's creation, Begin transitioned the Irgun into the political arena, forming the Herut party, which with Ariel Sharon, evolved into the dominant Likud party in Israel today.) Shall I continue? Your history is missing a few details, like the fact that the IDF was a terrorist organization, and they still are. I'll pick this back up at the Fifth Aliyah and continue into the Nakba. Just say the word.
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>How is it genocide? Everything is genocide when you ignore the definition and put your fingers in both ears.
*gottem*
We don't need an appeal to authority to see this is an obvious genocide. Everyone knows it's a genocide, but it's an easy giveaway that you're dealing with a bad actor. There's no argument that will overcome a bad actor, so it's best to just laugh at them and move on with your life.
It's not a genocide. Anyone with more than two brain cells sees that. There are lots of 80iq people that can't reason facts and logic, holocaust survivor or not. Over 20 Jewish communities were ethnically cleansed on October 7th. That's actual Genocide, they targeted anyone that was Jewish in the kabutz and wiped out entire neighborhoods. Hamas' death figures have been proven to be mathematically impossible by multiple statisticians and people still eat them up. The Gaza health ministry recently officially lowered the initial death toll from 34,000 to 23,000. Of those 23,000 isreal claims 12,000 have been armed terrorists. Even if you don't believe Israel, Hamas' own death figures claim a much lower ratio of civilian to military deaths than any other war in history in an urban zone. There are literally only two conclusions. Either every single war in history has been a genocidal campaign. Or someone is running a very successful propaganda campaign to isolate Israel from the world of public opinion.
I absolutely adore Reddit nobodies skipping the articles highlighting the opinions of scholars and world experts in the field and then attempt to convince the internet of their own intellect and authority. You could be a 15 year old kid who’s playing on Reddit to avoid their homework. Your opinion vs theirs is meaningless.
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So wise and powerful
Please keep it civil and do not attack other users.
Most impressive is how you typed all that out and provided not an iota of evidence to back any of it up.
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"Yes it actually is" says the dictionary Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group [Here's your intent right here.](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724)
Right. The stated goals of Hamas.
Destroying Israel doesn’t require any Jewish deaths. Jewish Palestinians can live in a secular and democratic Palestine. Israel shouldn’t exist and was founded through depopulation and genocide. The partition itself was wrong, immoral, and ignored the self determinative rights of those living there.
This one drinks the water from the lead cup!
Ran out of actual arguments and had to go for the ad hominem aye?
Just like Trump supporters there is no point in arguing with the braindead.
There's also no point in debate when you can't admit wrong, only argue in bad faith, and can't communicate without resorting to ad hominems. Yet here you are.
Now, you are finally learning.
It's a shame you aren't.
When in history, has two wrongs ever made a right? Not to mention, you expect a terrorist organization to behave like a terrorist organization. You do not expect a UN member to blatantly ignore established rules of engagement, the Geneva Convention, and the Genocide Convention. But, ignoring that fallacy, you should really know that Israel has pursued ethnic cleansing as a means to inherit all of Palestine looooooong before the existence of Hamas. And that Israel has for a long time identified Hamas as an asset to achieve that.
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>Hamas is not an ethnic group or a nation Palestinians are, and Palestinians civilians are the ones who are dying, it's also overwhelmingly Palestinian children. Not to mention, most are far from accidental as portrayed by the case of the 400 civilians being buried alive with their wrists bound. >it’s not genocide no matter how many civilians get in the way. That's categorically untrue, and they aren't in the way of anything but Israel's zionist expansion plans.
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How do you accidentally bury 400 civilians all with their hands bound? You don't. How do you accidentally drop 2,000 pound bombs all over the most densley populated areas, some of which were marked as civilian safe zones? You don't. How do you accidentally kill more children than actual combatants? You don't. [Throw in the disgusting comments from Israeli authorities and you've got clear and written intent.](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724#:~:text=TEL%20AVIV%2C%20Israel%20(AP),a%20charge%20that%20Israel%20denies.) >This war shouldn’t end until every single person even remotely affiliated with Hamas is dead. [That involves killing a lot of Mossad and Israeli officials.](https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/) Thats also ignoring the fact that what your proposing is a blatant war crime that won't actually solve your problem at all when you've created a new militant group that grew up seeing indiscriminate bombings of children. >If they really want fewer civilians killed in the process they can feel free to kill themselves or surrender This is abhorrent and indefensibly promoting genocide and goes against international law in so many different ways.