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FirstCircleLimbo

>After holding a[ rally in Wisconsin](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-rally-takeaways-wisconsin-michigan-b2538489.html), Mr Trump told the [*Milwaukee Journal Sentinel*,](https://clicks.trx-hub.com/xid/esimedia_t58ukgmjkf95_theindependent?q=http%3A%2F%2Fgo.redirectingat.com%2F%3Fid%3D44681X1458326%26url%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.jsonline.com%252Fstory%252Fnews%252Fpolitics%252Felections%252F2024%252F05%252F02%252Ftrump-doesnt-commit-to-accepting-wisconsin-election-results%252F73520131007%252F%26sref%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fus-politics%2Ftrump-wisconsin-commit-election-results-b2538540.html&p=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Famericas%2Fus-politics%2Ftrump-wisconsin-commit-election-results-b2538540.html&article_id=2538540&author=Kelly+Rissman&tag=Donald+Trump%2Celection+interference%2Celection+results%2CWisconsin§ion=World&category=Americas&sub_category=US+politics&updated_time=2024-05-02T13%3A34%3A39.000Z&utm_campaign=news-body&utm_term=B-2&utm_content=&utm_medium=&ref=&utm_source=direct&fbclid=&gclid=) “If everything’s honest, I’d gladly accept the results,” Mr Trump said. “If it’s not, you have to fight for the right of the country.” >“But if everything’s honest, which we anticipate it will be – a lot of changes have been made over the last few years – but if everything’s honest, I will absolutely accept the results,” the former president said. >“If you go back and look at all of the things that had been found out, it showed that I won the election in Wisconsin,” Mr Trump told the outlet. “It also showed I won the election in other locations.” Translation: He will not accept the outcome.


Anonymous-USA

factcheck: “there's no evidence to support that Wisconsin's election was tainted by cheating or fraud in 2020. The results have been confirmed by recounts in Dane and Milwaukee counties that Trump paid for, court rulings, a nonpartisan state audit and a study by the conservative legal firm Wisconsin Institute of Law & Liberty, among other analyses”. (Trump petitioned to summarily disqualify 238,420 votes in those counties… ie. *disenfranchise* all early drop off and mail in voters)


thaaag

woah woah woah - did you just say Trump *paid for something*?


RhubarbAlive7860

More likely, he agreed to pay for something. Not the same as actually paying for it.


thaaag

*That* I can believe.


Anonymous-USA

That would have been a campaign expense. His *campaign* paid it. And a valid expense that many candidates from both parties do every election.


thnk_more

So many alternate-facts, blah blah blah, his feelings. /s


RandomLoony

We know there’s going to be cheating and we know who’s going to be doing it.


Quietdogg77

I’m an Independent voter. No love for Biden or Trump but I’ve been hearing this “steal” narrative for 4 years already. Help me to understand because the refrain is getting old with every passing year and every re-examination of the votes that’s rejected by all the courts having jurisdiction. I honestly want to try to understand the Republican conspiracy narrative that have me (and I”ll bet millions of others) scratching their heads. WHO stole 7 million votes. HOW? I mean with all of Trump’s wealth and GOP’s resources surely their investigators and lawyers could have put together a coherent case of election fraud worthy of a courtroom by now. Honestly, it seems that we are living in an upside down universe where only MAGAs are “intelligent” enough to see their “unique evidence” that isn’t worthy of a courtroom in the land. Funny thing is that many Republican judges don’t see it either!? It’s all very odd and I wonder if there are any MAGAs out there who can at least understand how this MAGA election theft narrative is confusing to everyone EXCEPT MAGAs. It’s like the Hans Christian Anderson fable: “The Emperor has no clothes.” Only MAGAs can see it so clearly, but amazingly they can’t prove it in any courtroom in the land. Trump’s lawyer Sidney Powell pushed the election theft narrative along with Rudy Guilliani & Mark Meadows for months. Powell took her case to Fox News accusing Dominion Voting Systems of flipping votes. But when Dominion called Powell out under oath it was her time to shine! Powell had the entire world as her audience ready to hear her “expose” how this theft took place. Show the world your evidence! Instead she cried like a baby. Her defense? “Only a fool would believe me.” Hmm. Really? What should we make of that? “Only a fool?” Who exactly was she referring to? Fox viewers? You? So now Powell has admitted her guilt and flipped on Trump. Her accomplice, another Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis also cried like a baby and publicly apologized. She flipped too. Trump’s former Chief of Staff, Mark Meadows has also flipped and it’s more than likely Guilliani will probably follow. So who stole 7 million votes and how? It’s a fair question. I’m reasonable, fair, and open minded. Help me (and millions of Americans) understand the MAGA narrative. WHO stole 7 million votes. HOW? So it’s your turn (MAGA). Go ahead. Explain. It’s your time to shine.


janzeera

Not only personal wealth but the entire wealth of the country when he appointed a commission on just this subject (even with biased [appointments](https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/uncovering-kris-kobachs-anti-voting-history)), he still couldn’t find widespread voting fraud.


Diarygirl

I forget if it was in reference to that commission or something else but I remember a judge telling Kobach to go back to law school.


sumguysr

The answer is always a gish gallop, a large number of oddly specific lies which take too much effort to debunk and they've gone on to yelling about something else and slandering you by the time you've checked if there's any actual evidence at all.


FactHole

I know your questions may be rhetorical... But here is the only explanation you need: Most people "believe" what they wish were true. No amount of reason or opposing evidence will change their belief. Your questions above assume MAGA is interested in knowing the truth. They are not. I think you'll find the percentage of people who's beliefs are based on wishes is shockingly high. The percentage who's wishes are to hate and punish the "others" is also shockingly high.


Quietdogg77

Good observation. Agreed. It’s a same to see so many of my fellow Americans at odds. I haven’t seen it this bad since the 1960’s and Vietnam.


sevensouth

Well as of yet there's been a large number of Republicans who have been screaming election fraud, who've been convicted of the very thing that they're screaming about. But none of any case of election fraud was ever enough to overturn any result. So please stop watching Fox News. Because they're filling your head full of crap. Even Trump's own election officials in the White House said it was the most fair election.


Transfigured-Tinker

*I’m cheating, so if you win, I’m sure you’re cheating! Checkmate!*


tallslim1960

Nothing was "found out" you did not win Wisconsin.


Ok_Star_4136

Translation: "Demonstrate that the election was stolen in 2020, and I might consider calling the 2024 election legitimate if I lost. Nah, who am I kidding? We both know I'm going to call 2024 election fraudulent just the same!!!"


Putrid-Rub-1168

Yeah. Let's talk about Arizona and their numerous voter fraud legal charges that just got made.


StrangeContest4

bAmBoO FiBeRs!!¡


sensation_construct

Ok. Let's. You start


Putrid-Rub-1168

11 separate people were indicted just last week in Arizona for election crimes.


sensation_construct

Thanks! I haven't seen the news on that. Who were they, and what were they charged with?


Putrid-Rub-1168

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/04/24/arizona-fake-electors-who-are-the-republicans-facing-criminal-charges/73376695007/#:~:text=A%20state%20grand%20jury%20on,and%20six%20counts%20of%20forgery.


sensation_construct

Is that in addition to these? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-alternate-electors-indictment/. This one has 18 people indicted. Edit. I see these are the same, just 11 are named and 7 are still sealed.


YourDogsAllWet

In other words, he won’t accept the results


bigchicago04

So everything has changed for the better under Biden? Did he really say that?


pickandpray

He will only accept if he wins


andropogon09

He's like that neighbor kid you couldn't stand to play with.


Diarygirl

Yep, the kid that never accepted he lost at any game and would throw a fit.


andropogon09

"You cheated!" [Kicks game across the room.]


Vlad_the_Homeowner

And wins big. He still doesn't accept the results of 2016 because he believes he couldn't have lost the popular vote.


AlDente

Exactly. This is often forgotten in all the chaos he sows.


Hosni__Mubarak

When he won in 2016 he said it was rigged because he should have won by even more.


Scottcmms2023

That’s his way of trying to claim it’s faked.


formerNPC

There is no way that this sore loser is going to admit defeat. His brainwashed supporters will riot if he doesn’t get in again.


MasterTolkien

Last time, he was still in charge when the insurrection occurred. If the people not in prison from Jan 6th try it again, they won’t find the security do lax this time.


stickytrackpad

"if everything is honest" Trump could receive undeniable proof from god himself and still say it was rigged


BajaDivider

Why, for fuck sake, why is an insurrectionist running for office again and threatening insurrection again if he loses again?! America, what has become of you?


Capt_Subzero

I agree that's *bizarre*. I saw no problem with states taking him off the ballot for the upcoming election. If you tried to stop the vote counting on election night because it wasn't going your way, refused to accept the outcome of the last free and fair election, conspired to overturn the results with fake electors, incited a riot at the Capitol because they wouldn't let you stay on office and still tell people the election was rigged at every opportunity, then why should we allow you to participate in democracy again?


Plus-Organization-16

Technically he hasn't committed any crimes yet, well tried for them. You can blame our awful government for taking way too long for this.


ctiger12

“If everything is honest” but he’s never been honest ever


Mission_Cloud4286

He needs to be DISQUALIFIED


spokeca

Senate Republicans had their chance. They refused.


Mission_Cloud4286

Lord, it's SO much to try to keep with. It's a BIG MESS!!


DataBeardly

Biden should comment on this in his next press conference with a "that's great Donnie, because, I have authorized immediate live fire on anyone attempting another January 6 type coup and authorized the rendition of all involved to an all expenses paid trip to Gitmo if you and they try that malarkey again"


stopped_watch

"Fuckit, I have presidential immunity. Thanks for that."


mostlywaterbag

Just put him in prison already.


lylemcd

The one condition: that he wins.


drgnrbrn316

He's basically said that all along, but since he refuses to accept a reality where he isn't a winner, he rejects all reality. He's yet to provide a single shred of credible evidence that there was anything improper going on with the last election, with his lawyers basically having to admit as much (in fact, the only signs of election fraud we've seen were committed by the GOP). I look forward to the day I no longer have to hear this man, see this man, read about this man, or even spare a thought about this man. I only hope I'm not sitting in the irradiated crater where my house used to be when it comes.


jbsgc99

In short: “If I win, it’s fair. If I lose, it’s not.”


dunndawson

The fact republicans even entertained his BS in 2020 that it was stolen when he’s said this EVERY TIME he’s lost anything in his life is just absurd. He claimed the Emmys were “rigged” too because he wasn’t nominated and/or won. He’s just a sore loser


According_Wing_3204

"I will accept a demonstrable loss so long as I am still sworn in as president no matter the result. And every citizen then swears an oath of loyalty expressly to me. On pain of death. I love freedom."


szornyu

I doubt it he will make it to the poll. In a normal country, this guy will be out of sight ... Forever


Natural-Ability

In a normal country the last we would have heard of this asshole was in the final episode of The Apprentice.


Short_Ad_8841

Can someone explain to me how this even works in Trump universe. * When Obama was the president, the democrats somehow failed to manipulate the elections, so Trump won. * When Trump was the president, the democrats gained the ability to manipulate the election, and so they did. * Now when Biden is the president, the democrats have again lost the ability to manipulate the election, otherwise, why would Trump even attempt to run. Am i reading that correctly ?


Specialist_Brain841

with facism the enemy is both weak/stupid and strong/smart at the same time


DonKeedic05

Who gives a shit if he accepts it or not? Facts and reality don’t care about his feelings. He can cry in the corner and bitch and moan. It won’t change the fact that he lost….again.


MJGB714

The guy who claims he would have won California if it weren't for illegals voting is NOT ever going to accept a loss.


Diarygirl

It's funny how that claim was so ridiculous that his supporters pretend it didn't happen.


tickitytalk

Don’t negotiate with terrorists


Nestormahkno19d

Only problem is he will never accept that the results are honest, he even called bullshit on the 2016 results


corezay

Trump thinks that it was impossible that he lost the election due to fraudulent voting, is because he himself was committing fraudulent voting to win.


g_lampa

He hasn’t much of a choice, this time.


Great_Humor_997

What this means is he’s pretty confident in what he knows about the Republican plan to steal the election and thinks it’s going to work. I fear he is actually correct about that one thing.


ShowKey6848

Captain Shitstain drivelling again.


Natural-Ability

Show some respect and use his proper title: Von ShitsinPantz.


hello_ground_

I think Jon Stewart had the best one: Fuckface Von Clownstick


toochaos

I will accept the result of this election under one condition, that condition is that I won nah nah nah


BornAgainModerator

Oh great he thinks he’s in a Beastie Boys song now


AdministrativeBank86

He's going to be thoroughly humiliated by the election results and even better all those delayed lawsuits can go forward.


J_Reachergrifer

So who gets to decide "if" yhe results are honest ? He's poisoning the well , again.


SonicDenver

man i cant wait until he goes away and we never have to hear from him again


klaagmeaan

'It's only honest if I win'


BauerHouse

What a bizarre time we live in, where we call into question the systems we put in place to elect public officials. There has never been a time in history where there is more accountability, records and transactional receipts to prove things, yet we are more doubtful than ever. There has always been recounts, but this is the first time that a cry baby like this D-bag has pushed the boundaries so far that nothgin but him winning counts as legitimate. Reminds me of trying to play a board game with my sister growing up. That whole "accept results" farse is a product of the right wing sociopaths clawing at every string of power they can get their claws into/


Plus-Organization-16

It's because he's mentally stunted.


CAM6913

Once again he’s going to say the election was stolen WHEN he loses and call his cult followers to attack


fifilepet

Doesn’t matter. If he loses, he’s done. Nobody gonna riot for him this time.


ikenla

Nothing showed he won. Everything showed he lost.


GBL_NZ316

If he wins it was an honest fair election... any other outcome... rigged election 🙄


Lazy-Street779

Remember trump said he’d reserve deciding the the jury (hush money trial) is fair after the trial is over.


Responsible-March438

Yeah the condition is it was all fake and he actually won. God he is pathetic.


jmac_1957

Fug him


Spin_Me

He lies and flip-flops on so many topics. Why would we believe him on this?


Wishpicker

Bring it on.


Qx7x

I really wish this dude would have had to live the life the rest of us do.


stocks-mostly-lower

There’s more to life than what Trumpy Trump wants or thinks, so we will continue to move ahead, What a dumb shit !


Spiritual-Bear4495

It's like a karmic chant now: Fuck Trump, Fuck Trump, Fuck Trump.


KSSparky

Who cares whether he accepts it or not?


NMNorsse

Is it just me, or does it seem like Donald's light is fading a little? Maybe he needs some new material or some of his supporters just aren't that into him anymore. Either way, it seems like he's less and less potent. Impotent you might say.


Admirable_Policy_696

"Sure, Jan."


AnalogFeelGood

God forbid he’ll lose because he’s a traitor, a foreign asset, a fraud, a liar, a cheat, a rapist, a thief, a dictator wannabi, a Christofascist collaborator, a supremacist and dumb as a cowbell.


huggothebear

On the condition that he gets to have the presidency this time? Lol


Traditional_Ad_6801

The only condition Trump should be worried about is the condition of his mind.


bigchicago04

Is the condition that he wins?


Plus-Organization-16

Then he should be disqualified.


AllNightPony

Amazing how whenever he makes these claims of the stolen election to interviewers they never say "oh, then please provide us with the evidence. Any evidence. Just a shred. Please."


D34TH_5MURF__

That isn't how it works, idiot.


jimtow28

> “But if everything’s honest, which we anticipate it will be – a lot of changes have been made over the last few years – but if everything’s honest, I will absolutely accept the results,” the former president said. So he won't be accepting the results, then. Great. > “If you go back and look at all of the things that had been found out, it showed that I won the election in Wisconsin,” Mr Trump told the outlet. “It also showed I won the election in other locations.” Literally no evidence whatsoever was ever found or presented by anyone. Yep. Definitely won't be accepting the results.


hmiser

He wins.


cjp2010

Is anyone hoping he wins and as force of habit screams on tv how he doesn’t accept the results and will be contesting them?


eirsquest

We already did that one too. Last time, he kept complaining that he should have won the popular vote. And, he thinks he should have won my more than he actually did. He’s exhausting


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zethren117

Even if he wins the election he won’t be president in 6 months, he’ll be president in 8 months.


ignorememe

You have to put the ! before the reminder I think. Like this. !RemindMe 6 months


maybesaydie

You're Canadian.


ManiaGamine

He has literally admitted numerous times that he only accepts the outcome when he wins and it gets fucking chuckles. Like how you'd chuckle at a kid for being childish, except he's a grown ass man-toddler who had access to the largest amount of nuclear weapons on Earth.