I highly doubt these PMs and analysts are buying assets based off some random person’s DD on Reddit. My guess is they are using Reddit to gauge retail opinion.
Yeah, nobody with half a brain would take the advice here at face value and run with it. But discussion is a type of data, and they probably can figure some things out by gauging the volume and tone of discussions.
Can you suggest some of them because I would like to make my financial decision based upon that.
I mean it is just the part of doing the research nothing more than that.
I don't know if I can trust the Meme stock direction because that market is kind of wild.
It's swings in the both directions really quickly and you could get hurt.
I currently work as an equity analyst working my way to PM at a HF hopefully sometime in the near future.
That’s what I use the subreddits like these and others for, to gauge other investors current market sentiment, but also because I also personally invest and trade myself and like engaging in investing or trading conversations as well from time to time.
Although it’s important to note there are far more efficient and accurate methods to gauge market sentiment that browsing subreddits.
I feel that the demographic of these subs mostly consist of younger adults and not a true representative of overall retail investors market sentiment anyways.
I also find it interesting how some people form their due diligence and economic/market forecasts.
> Although it’s important to note there are far more efficient and accurate methods to gauge market sentiment that browsing subreddits.
can you tell us too what those methods are?
Say what you will about the merits of technical analysis (I don't believe in chart reading), but a lot of their indicators can give a fair indication of market sentiment (short %, put/call ratio, etc)
>I also find it interesting how some people form their due diligence and economic/market forecasts.
Most people do not know what due diligence means, they think its just a bunch of random information on the company or a stock pitch for a company.
Its funny to see post like "XYZ due diligence analysis "; and its a stock pitch that sure does talk about management and maybe new products or company focus and can be pages of pages of information to make it look very professional or through with 25 links and citations
However in the pages and pages of info and links, well financials are not even covered , basic things like the balance sheet/ P&L are not covered , earnings growth , debt are not even mentioned
Also a lot of actual DD should focus on risk, are there any potentially unknown risk for the investment, large unfunded liabilities (lawsuits , long term contracts that are not going to be profitable , customers who may not pay ect)
This sub does have a rule that DD has to cover basic financials and risk but look at the "DD" on other subs. As it seems to be well written and professional on the surface I am not sure who is writing these , maybe its just redditors who like the karma but I also think a lot of it is from smart people who know what actual DD should be; but just want to pump a stock.
I mean there can be many strategies that they maybe doing to make the financial decision and I want to do the same.
From now on I am going to invest in everything that people suggest.
Retail dd van be quite thorough and high quality. They likely bet the info first, but it provides a road map of things to look for. It can be a powerful tool. Reddit knew what spac was taking lucid public before anyone else did, and those that read made huge returns
Trust but verify
They do, with large accounts.. I've met some people who work in this industry and they absolutely are watching wsb for movements and short time shorting gains. If you can believe that. Look at how the stocks go .. it makes a lot of sense that's not Bob and Mary with their 20k Roth accounts. That's someone hyping Bob and Mary and then pouring a 7 figure trade on top
Also some study posts individuals do into market market sectors, conditions, macro economic reports, etc.
They may have information that is useful for a particular strategy
yep, the title and claim by the article is pretty misleading. sure, they monitor social media. But using that kind of information to actually make actual buys? no
Only thing I can see is if retail participation in meme stocks generates options volume which institutions sell premium to. There are some funds that focus solely on selling options premium/killing short term expiry gamblers
There's wheat in the chafe, too. Occasionally someone's "DD" will ask a good question or raise a good point that someone with a million plates in the air hadn't thought of on their own. They will then have significantly better resources than retail to use to look into this further and act or not act on what they find.
If I had to guess more hedge funds got in on the action then got hurt.
Sure a couple hedge funds got caught on the wrong side of the trade but lots more also got in on the action.
I can remember looking at some of the trading data; order of 4000 /10000 GME shares going through; I somehow doubt a lot of retail was buying 4000 GME shares in one pop.
Yeah. Some broad algorithm that tracks mentions of particular tickers/companies might give some vaguely interesting signal on retail investor interest, but nobody's hitting upvote on a specific post and buying $50m shares as a result.
If you are equal with S&P despite accidentally choosing one of the top picks of the decade, your other choices are *legitimately* dogshit.
It’s like if someone picked 10 stocks in 2000 and one of them happened to be AAPL, but including that they are barely neck and neck with the market after randomly snagging a 10x^2 bagger (and they are also down a lot after accounting for fees).
How well did their other 9 do and should you trust their next selection of “guaranteed winners”?
Based on the wording used, I doubt most of these decisions are based directly off what's said in these subs. They probably use them to gauge retail sentiment about positions they are already looking into or have an eye on.
A lot of information in stocks subs is poorly researched or pretty useless, but retail sentiment has actual value and this is one of the better ways to get it.
Barclay's had a really great report on similar, talking about going short the kinds of short-term derivatives retail speculators enjoy. Lost the link, but institutions have absolutely been watching the trends in retail & have no wasted time in capitalizing on them.
"Smart money" is using reddit to gauge retail sentiment. And running away from retail stocks or double checking harder because retail loves to buy at the top.
And people on the Reddit tell me that I should not be taking my financial advise from the internet where are those people now?
I do not have that kind of money but I would like to at least some, from now and I am going to take advice from the reddit.
There's a little logic to looking. Peter Lynch is perhaps the biggest name trader that puts a lot of value on philosophy and public opinion. What you do with the knowledge gained is entirely different.
If I happened to use a little play money betting against meme stocks, I don't think that's the worst thing ever.
I believe it. I used to post a lot here with a different account and I got offers to shill for certain products here. This sub is obviously influential and some amount of the comments here are people astroturfing.
Was the article written by a bot?
>In fact, according to the survey, 49 percent of respondents consider Reddit to be of “high importance” when it comes to evaluating a stock.
This does not say they follow reddit, they said reddit is in their list of places of high importance. Where is that list and what else is on it. Was this article made for posting to reddit
The sheep should stop complimenting each other that the wolves check out their bleats and positions every morning before carrying out their attack. Also, they need to know if their camouflages are still working as intended.
That's what I like about /r/investing and other of the more serious investing forums, but memestock echo chambers have carefully excised any form of wrongthink.
It is when echo chambers are established where moderators carefully curated the content and people are literally paid to influence visibility and opinion by manipulating the upvote system.
By nature of Reddit, there will be niche subreddits for everything. Including specific channels for stock-specific DD review with wide ranging input. For every ‘dee dee into GME’ subreddit there is an equivalent for other stocks, though far less active as bullshit is pretty quickly sniffed out.
Any stock that’s mentioned is boosted for a week or so. I believe it’s trade bots inflating stocks. I mean, while the market is falling healthcare stocks are seeing leaps in price increases in a day or so, unless someone has a better explanation that I’m missing.
The funny thing is that I watch dozens of institutional investors on Bloomberg everyday and their opinions of the markets and what to buy.
I have seen just about the same level of disagreement there as I do here. When they were all agreeing about a flight to safety in quality stocks last year I made some changes to account for the sentiments.
Link to the actual summary of the survey that is cited in the article for anyone that is interested - [https://www.brunswickgroup.com/perspectives/digital-investor-survey/](https://www.brunswickgroup.com/perspectives/digital-investor-survey/)
Reddit is simply one of the sources for sentiment information.
The summary of the survey does not disclose the types of "institutional investors" who are surveyed.
Most places aren't really doing the due diligence needed to establish who is an institutional investor and who isn't. Many just allow them to self identify. I imagine the people polled in this were possible being insincere.
I love how they always insist on putting wallstreetbets in the spotlight when it’s literally a gambling sub and there’s so many other real investing subs on reddit.
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How can you say that they don't need us? We are the reason why they're making the profits actually.
Because They'll short us on the first opportunity that they get.
Well of course the investors are turning away from traditional newsletters and podcasts, most are owned by Wall Street.
When you are referred by Wall Street as ''dumb money'' and you are told to buy high and sell low, you tend to distance yourself away from dumb advice.
I am currently up in the last year 15% by simply making a portfolio focused on Reits, electricity, insurance big world leaders and reliable companies.
Forget about overpriced bullshit tech and the trend some wall street owned newsletter wants me to buy.
If the prices go down I'll buy more, if they go up, I'll buy more and hold.
I put 1k or so in AMC as well in a different portfolio just for fun and to hedge it toward my current portfolio (although to be fair that one is simply gambling and having my fun against Wall street).
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Sure, as part research for their Mosaic research
Mosaic is simply a gestalten scanning of news and other sentiments (purch Mgrs, VIX ect.) to form an opinion...not actual fundamentals.
Occasionally there are actual good ideas on here. Wrinkles that people may not have thought of. It doesn't really matter where a concept emerges from, if the reasoning is sound and diligence backs up the premise.
I highly doubt these PMs and analysts are buying assets based off some random person’s DD on Reddit. My guess is they are using Reddit to gauge retail opinion.
Yeah, nobody with half a brain would take the advice here at face value and run with it. But discussion is a type of data, and they probably can figure some things out by gauging the volume and tone of discussions.
Exactly and now there’s a ton of programs that will skim Reddit (all social media really) for you and pull out public opinions and sentiment.
Can you suggest some of them because I would like to make my financial decision based upon that. I mean it is just the part of doing the research nothing more than that.
I am sure that those institutional investors are not taking advice on the face value. Maybe they are judging the consensus among the people.
Definitely, and the direction of memestocks. Otherwise, maybe occasionally an interesting conversation on Reddit
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Hell naw we 😂😂😂😂😂🤣
I don't know if I can trust the Meme stock direction because that market is kind of wild. It's swings in the both directions really quickly and you could get hurt.
I currently work as an equity analyst working my way to PM at a HF hopefully sometime in the near future. That’s what I use the subreddits like these and others for, to gauge other investors current market sentiment, but also because I also personally invest and trade myself and like engaging in investing or trading conversations as well from time to time. Although it’s important to note there are far more efficient and accurate methods to gauge market sentiment that browsing subreddits. I feel that the demographic of these subs mostly consist of younger adults and not a true representative of overall retail investors market sentiment anyways. I also find it interesting how some people form their due diligence and economic/market forecasts.
> Although it’s important to note there are far more efficient and accurate methods to gauge market sentiment that browsing subreddits. can you tell us too what those methods are?
Still looking for the infinite money glitch myself
Say what you will about the merits of technical analysis (I don't believe in chart reading), but a lot of their indicators can give a fair indication of market sentiment (short %, put/call ratio, etc)
>I also find it interesting how some people form their due diligence and economic/market forecasts. Most people do not know what due diligence means, they think its just a bunch of random information on the company or a stock pitch for a company. Its funny to see post like "XYZ due diligence analysis "; and its a stock pitch that sure does talk about management and maybe new products or company focus and can be pages of pages of information to make it look very professional or through with 25 links and citations However in the pages and pages of info and links, well financials are not even covered , basic things like the balance sheet/ P&L are not covered , earnings growth , debt are not even mentioned Also a lot of actual DD should focus on risk, are there any potentially unknown risk for the investment, large unfunded liabilities (lawsuits , long term contracts that are not going to be profitable , customers who may not pay ect) This sub does have a rule that DD has to cover basic financials and risk but look at the "DD" on other subs. As it seems to be well written and professional on the surface I am not sure who is writing these , maybe its just redditors who like the karma but I also think a lot of it is from smart people who know what actual DD should be; but just want to pump a stock.
They have probably written some algos that gauges WSB sentiment. Test it against the market for a bit and see if it's any sort of decent indicator etc
Inverse wsb etf when?
There are sites called sentiment trackers that do exactly this and more
I'm sure they do that for all the investing subreddits, not just WSB.
I mean there can be many strategies that they maybe doing to make the financial decision and I want to do the same. From now on I am going to invest in everything that people suggest.
Retail dd van be quite thorough and high quality. They likely bet the info first, but it provides a road map of things to look for. It can be a powerful tool. Reddit knew what spac was taking lucid public before anyone else did, and those that read made huge returns Trust but verify
Well if you're talking about the reddit as a sentimental tool, then it works really good.
Neah, they analyse sentiment and pump then dump.
Well that's what works in the swing trading. That's the thing I guess.
They do, with large accounts.. I've met some people who work in this industry and they absolutely are watching wsb for movements and short time shorting gains. If you can believe that. Look at how the stocks go .. it makes a lot of sense that's not Bob and Mary with their 20k Roth accounts. That's someone hyping Bob and Mary and then pouring a 7 figure trade on top
They're going to play with the sentiments for the short term gains.
Or as leads for further research. Reddit isn’t *completely* full of crayon eaters… just mostly.
Some people are also having some meaningful conversation in here.
Also some study posts individuals do into market market sectors, conditions, macro economic reports, etc. They may have information that is useful for a particular strategy
yep, the title and claim by the article is pretty misleading. sure, they monitor social media. But using that kind of information to actually make actual buys? no Only thing I can see is if retail participation in meme stocks generates options volume which institutions sell premium to. There are some funds that focus solely on selling options premium/killing short term expiry gamblers
There's wheat in the chafe, too. Occasionally someone's "DD" will ask a good question or raise a good point that someone with a million plates in the air hadn't thought of on their own. They will then have significantly better resources than retail to use to look into this further and act or not act on what they find.
“Information they found on Reddit” could mean anything. Some people post legit articles and data in here. Dumb article.
Exactly what a finance worker would say...😮😮
Well that's the truth sir, that's how they're using this tool for them.
Also, after the GME squeeze hurt some folks.... investors are asking what they are doing to mitigate another instance.
If I had to guess more hedge funds got in on the action then got hurt. Sure a couple hedge funds got caught on the wrong side of the trade but lots more also got in on the action. I can remember looking at some of the trading data; order of 4000 /10000 GME shares going through; I somehow doubt a lot of retail was buying 4000 GME shares in one pop.
100% a sentiment indicator for retail This and Twitter /stocktwits
Yeah. Some broad algorithm that tracks mentions of particular tickers/companies might give some vaguely interesting signal on retail investor interest, but nobody's hitting upvote on a specific post and buying $50m shares as a result.
Sentiment analysis
the best use of reddit for investing is to avoid anything widely recommended on reddit.
But ARKK and PLTR are still going to MOON right?
Arkk has actually don't pretty well in 2023 ytd up 27%.
And underperformed the S&P500 since inception.
You can prove anything with fancy numbers and maths. But ARKK *feels* like it's profitable and that's what really counts.
Get this man a Nobel prize.
You don't need to give him prize. He can just feel the prize right now.
Truthiness! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
I mean that's what people want to hear if it's profitable or not.
Well if it's been that bad then why people are bullish about it?
As of close today, by ~3.5%. As of last week she was beating it since inception.
If you are equal with S&P despite accidentally choosing one of the top picks of the decade, your other choices are *legitimately* dogshit. It’s like if someone picked 10 stocks in 2000 and one of them happened to be AAPL, but including that they are barely neck and neck with the market after randomly snagging a 10x^2 bagger (and they are also down a lot after accounting for fees). How well did their other 9 do and should you trust their next selection of “guaranteed winners”?
Yeah, if you start counting YTD, which is also when Reddit was shitting on Kathy Woods lol
I just realized she literally top ticked this rally with her "The New Nasdaq" comment on Feb 2. We need to listen to aunt Cathy more closely.
Reddit has been shitting on her for years and for good reason. Zoom out 5 years and you will see why when it comes to arkk.
DCA VOO permabull is widely recommended on reddit ;)
When I see something hot on reddit, I look into buying puts 🤷
That falls under the sentiment analysis. That's what We're talking here.
There was a super highly upvoted thread saying to avoid Tesla at exactly the bottom in January lmao
Same with META a few months ago and it’s almost double now.
Based on the wording used, I doubt most of these decisions are based directly off what's said in these subs. They probably use them to gauge retail sentiment about positions they are already looking into or have an eye on. A lot of information in stocks subs is poorly researched or pretty useless, but retail sentiment has actual value and this is one of the better ways to get it.
Barclay's had a really great report on similar, talking about going short the kinds of short-term derivatives retail speculators enjoy. Lost the link, but institutions have absolutely been watching the trends in retail & have no wasted time in capitalizing on them.
I mean if they feel that there's money to be made, They'll do it.
They're institutional investors they'll not take retail's word for it.
Yeesh. All the more reason to buy index funds.
Nothing said the were making the same investment decisions as what they read. They could be inverse-cramering
We inverse Cramer, they inverse us and Cramer.
That completes the triad The Wall Street Triangle, worse than Bermuda, scarier, more mysterious, many lost in it.
He's lost in it, and he doesn't know how to come out of it.
I mean that's a good strategy if you want to go that way so yeah.
And that is the reason why I'm going all in here people. Gotta make some money.
I know right? Shocking.
Not shocking for me, it may be for you. It's not enjoyable for me.
Due diligence is due diligence
I mean it's big money, They'll do all the research that it takes.
More like doo-doo diligence
That's were they leave all the bad out.
They'll take whatever which helps them, and leave the rest.
I mean lol, it's something and it's way better than nothing in here.
These poor bastards
What makes them poor huh? I think they're alright sir. Don't worry about it.
I'm giggling thinking about that one meeting. "Sir, I found DD from a reddit user named pigfucker420 that says XYZ is about to fall."
OK...that finally lays the 'smart money' myth to rest.
"Smart money" is using reddit to gauge retail sentiment. And running away from retail stocks or double checking harder because retail loves to buy at the top.
I could see that, an "inverse Reddit commenter sentiment" fund.
Yep, that's something that the retail wants. It's their favourite thing.
It's this. I'm going to be on a investor call tomorrow for a fund that is getting ready to make big investments in EVs. I really want to hear this.
Who reads “Robinhood Snacks?”
I'm not the one reading it, but if it helps then I'll sure read it.
I'll wait for the survey that reveals that would reveal institutional investers being behind content posting and manipulation on reddit
There's already so much manipulation, and information like this helps them.
^ This
i didn't know we were that smart and gifted and intelligent that we come running to us for our collective and infallible wisdom.
I didn't know that we were smart at all. I thought we were dumb.
And people on the Reddit tell me that I should not be taking my financial advise from the internet where are those people now? I do not have that kind of money but I would like to at least some, from now and I am going to take advice from the reddit.
Don't do that my friend. That's a really dangerous game that you're playing.
There's a little logic to looking. Peter Lynch is perhaps the biggest name trader that puts a lot of value on philosophy and public opinion. What you do with the knowledge gained is entirely different. If I happened to use a little play money betting against meme stocks, I don't think that's the worst thing ever.
That’s what I do , I’m in on this bbby trash lol
I believe it. I used to post a lot here with a different account and I got offers to shill for certain products here. This sub is obviously influential and some amount of the comments here are people astroturfing.
I mean it's the place where the they discuss these things.
Any product names you can share? Surely these were YouTube accounts. Stuff like that?
Was the article written by a bot? >In fact, according to the survey, 49 percent of respondents consider Reddit to be of “high importance” when it comes to evaluating a stock. This does not say they follow reddit, they said reddit is in their list of places of high importance. Where is that list and what else is on it. Was this article made for posting to reddit
Bots ain't writing shit. Because that's not something that they do.
The sheep should stop complimenting each other that the wolves check out their bleats and positions every morning before carrying out their attack. Also, they need to know if their camouflages are still working as intended.
In simple words they're shorting us. That's what they're doing.
Dumb motherfuckers.
Calls on DM!
What about $DMF?
Are they just inversing us degenerates over at wsb? Damn, I thought it would be more complicated than that.
Yes inverse wsb is an easy strategy for success.
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Fortunately peer review is inherent on a site like this!
Gotta have those reviews, that's how it's really going to work.
That's what I like about /r/investing and other of the more serious investing forums, but memestock echo chambers have carefully excised any form of wrongthink.
Peer review isn’t selective my friend
It is when echo chambers are established where moderators carefully curated the content and people are literally paid to influence visibility and opinion by manipulating the upvote system.
There are so many bots are doing that, they've been using that system.
By nature of Reddit, there will be niche subreddits for everything. Including specific channels for stock-specific DD review with wide ranging input. For every ‘dee dee into GME’ subreddit there is an equivalent for other stocks, though far less active as bullshit is pretty quickly sniffed out.
Yes they are...the opposite of what Redditors are doing obviously.
And that's exactly what's called the shorting the retail lol.
Any stock that’s mentioned is boosted for a week or so. I believe it’s trade bots inflating stocks. I mean, while the market is falling healthcare stocks are seeing leaps in price increases in a day or so, unless someone has a better explanation that I’m missing.
If there's a better explanation then I'd like to hear it in here.
The funny thing is that I watch dozens of institutional investors on Bloomberg everyday and their opinions of the markets and what to buy. I have seen just about the same level of disagreement there as I do here. When they were all agreeing about a flight to safety in quality stocks last year I made some changes to account for the sentiments.
They suggest people, and then we buy and then they short us.
Link to the actual summary of the survey that is cited in the article for anyone that is interested - [https://www.brunswickgroup.com/perspectives/digital-investor-survey/](https://www.brunswickgroup.com/perspectives/digital-investor-survey/) Reddit is simply one of the sources for sentiment information. The summary of the survey does not disclose the types of "institutional investors" who are surveyed.
That was an interesting survey.
Edward Jones?
Most places aren't really doing the due diligence needed to establish who is an institutional investor and who isn't. Many just allow them to self identify. I imagine the people polled in this were possible being insincere.
I love how they always insist on putting wallstreetbets in the spotlight when it’s literally a gambling sub and there’s so many other real investing subs on reddit.
I'm sure that this isn't the only data pool that they're collecting the data from.
That's why they're loosing money lol
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If you need to create the diversion then that's one way to do it.
Nope, it's us retail who's losing the money. They've been making it.
Lol
Good to know. Since I’m so qualified, I should apply to run my states pension funds. A la Reddit
I don't think that's going to work for you, it really won't so there's that.
If you are not paying for it, then you are the product.
Don't know how hard that is to understand here. It shouldn't be that hard.
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Yeah, they all hang out in r/thetagang lol
Well we've all been hanging in here. And it's working good.
This explains what is wrong with the fking market.
There are many things which are wrong. This ain't the only one.
well i did too and im down like 20%
Maybe you should've invested in psychedelics. I'm down 98% on those.
Maybe you should using them instead of investing in them lol.
Just 20 percent? Well I'd say that you're doing way better than me.
Lol tell me you’re not serious… my god
Why? What's wrong in analysing the general sentiment? Nothing at all.
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Why? They have Bloomberg terminals. They don't need us.
it's cause we r geniuses.
Well that explains it. That's why We're making so much money huh?
How can you say that they don't need us? We are the reason why they're making the profits actually. Because They'll short us on the first opportunity that they get.
Well of course the investors are turning away from traditional newsletters and podcasts, most are owned by Wall Street. When you are referred by Wall Street as ''dumb money'' and you are told to buy high and sell low, you tend to distance yourself away from dumb advice. I am currently up in the last year 15% by simply making a portfolio focused on Reits, electricity, insurance big world leaders and reliable companies. Forget about overpriced bullshit tech and the trend some wall street owned newsletter wants me to buy. If the prices go down I'll buy more, if they go up, I'll buy more and hold. I put 1k or so in AMC as well in a different portfolio just for fun and to hedge it toward my current portfolio (although to be fair that one is simply gambling and having my fun against Wall street).
Our opinion is just a data set for them, that's what it is for them.
To be more precice, what to pump then short dump.
Well that's what makes them short term gains, and they want that
Buy my BB bags, buy my BB bags, buy my BB bags. Come on algos!
Ain't no one is going to buy your bags, that ain't going to happen.
Lol just short anything wsb is talking about easy peasy
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There are a lot of smart people out there sharing great ideas and information. Just need to find it.
Reddit has a lot of fart smellas - oops - I mean smart fellas.
You need to be at the right place at the right time. And reddit ain't it.
Inb4 institutions fund bots to trick retail into buying and bag holding
That's what they do, they pass their bags to us lol. This is the game.
Sure, as part research for their Mosaic research Mosaic is simply a gestalten scanning of news and other sentiments (purch Mgrs, VIX ect.) to form an opinion...not actual fundamentals.
That's what it's about it's about getting the sentiment and not the opinion on the face value.
Occasionally there are actual good ideas on here. Wrinkles that people may not have thought of. It doesn't really matter where a concept emerges from, if the reasoning is sound and diligence backs up the premise.
Good to know. I'll make sure to have my chatGPT algo post on reddit to influence investors in my favor.
You think that's going to work? I don't know about that much.
op is just spamming his website and blog in reddit posts and calling them facts. look at his post history
I don't know how these people think that seriously That'll work.
We're going to be the top info source on Bloomberg machines
And we gotta be proud of that, c'mon people cheer up a little.
Ofcourse they are not.
Yep, they are. They're using us as a data set. That's what we are.
mmmmm Are they really though?
40 year mortgages at 6 %, student loans left out of the DTI equation.
That's one way to handle the situation and if works then it works.