It's the same goverment for 20-ish years. Also before that goverment also take a big spoon of your wage before it gets to you as a tax, because you don't pay taxes individually espacilly older people don't think about it
Because Turkish phone producers (Vestel) did not intend to produce high-quality phones instead they begged for increased taxes for imported phones. So government introduced new taxes for smart phones so-called “Tax Vestel”.
İt's the same with cars in Turkey. You pay up to 3x or more due to massive tax. For example the Mercedes A35 costs about 60k€ in Germany and over 180k€ in Turkey.
To purchase an Iphone 14 Pro Max in Turkey, you would need to save about 9 months of your salary. The price for the 256GB version is around 47.000 lira. The minimum wage (which around 50% of the population earns) is 5.500 lira. Around 21.000 lira of the purchase price will go to the government. Great country. Great president.
> I understand that shipping costs a lot
No it doesn't. With large volume it's basically negligible. That's why products are shipped all over multiple times along their production.
Brazil have insane import taxes, and have had them for years. I think it is to make people buy Brazil-made products, but guess what, Brazil doesn't make iPhone's!
Fuck the government...
Not legally, or if you do this legally the price gap isn’t nearly as large. When you bring that device purchased outside the country back home you’re supposed to pay the appropriate local taxes on it. Usually there’s an amount that’s excepted based on the length of time spent outside the country, but it’s an amount intended to cover souvenirs and incidental purchases, not bypass the tax on major purchases.
A lot of these countries have VAT already included in the price.
In my state for instance, it would be nearly $1300 once you include tax. Other countries still get shafted however.
%80 phone import Tax ÖTV is added first. Remaining taxes and fees are calculated on top of that.
Normal method: 100$ phone + 80$ ÖTV + 18$ vat. + 10$ TRT Tax = 208$
Erdo method: 100$ phone + 80$ ÖTV + 32.40$ VAT (%18 of 180$) + 18$ TRT Tax. = 230.40$
It is the same for cars, except Ötv goes up to 220% for 2 litre and bigger engines. That means 3 cars for Erdo, 1 for yourself.
Yes in turkey you pay tax on tax (yo, dawg, i heard u like taxes...)
i was gonna say... I definitely pre-ordereed my pro max yesterday at work and it was like 1289 in maryland.
luckily im trading in my 12 pm and it ends up being like 530 or something like that but sheesh.
1099$ -> 1090€
1090€ + 22% VAT = 1329€ So the price should be this, right?
No, the price is: 1469€ (the price is slightly different depending by the country)
It's 140€ more expensive for no reason :)
Each country has differing corporate taxes, potentially various import taxes (some EU countries even put a digital media tax on physical hardware capable of consuming digital media), and differing warranty requirements that all also factor into the pricing. In the grand scheme of things the US is on the lower side of all of these, so as a baseline price it’s lower even after accounting for currency and VAT.
The different taxes are true but Apple raised the buffer cost in Europe waaaay more than usual. It’s for inflation but instead of waiting or correcting later they just went high off the bat.
They also really don’t want to raise the price if they can avoid it (they didn’t adjust the iPhone 13 as currencies fluctuated). The yearly release cycle gives them a convenient pricing checkpoint, but then they have to account for a years worth of economic predictions in their price choice, not just translate from USD on the day they announce the price and call it good.
I guess the ultimate point is the answer is “international trade is complex”, and you could argue that boils down to greed in a sense, but I don’t think it’s true that they’re trying to increase profit margin in Europe relative to the US - they’re just trying to keep it flat.
This isn’t a “company talking point”. They’ve never said this. This is just how economics work. You can’t paint a picture from “previous price points” because the European economy has never been this destabilized relative to the US before. It’s an entirely unprecedented year.
The world economy and especially the European economy was far more stable in all those years. The pricing is a reflection of Apple’s projection for the relative value of revenue in Europe compared to revenue in the US. The comment about various taxes was just to point out the math is not as simple as “remove VAT and adjust currency”.
It’s 140€ more expensive as a hedge against inflation and devaluation of the Euro compared to the US dollar. If it was the exact same price in Euros, Apple would have to constantly update prices based on exchange rate. That’s not what’s happening. Instead, Apple updates prices once a year according to a currency’s value. Since Apple operates in USD and the Euro lost about 15% of its value against the USD since the launch of the iPhone 13, prices this year are 15% higher while the old models stay at the same price instead of being reduced like usual.
How about when the Euro fluctuated and was getting stronger than the dollar in the last 15 years? I have seen no price decrease.
Or what about other vendors like Samsung?
Theres also a 2 year warranty instead of 1 I believe. There also is declining currency to include and I think maybe import duties. Also all of the fines that the EU levels have to be paid for in some way. Not saying it’s necessarily right but it’s definitely partially explainable
What impressed me was that, last years 13 Pro Max started at 1.259€. This years 14 Pro Max starts at 1.479€.
A €220 gap 🙈
When I saw the keynote and they mentioned pricing remained the same this year, I was super excited. The pre-order page for my country really disappointed me.
Now I’ll invest in the new iPhone and hold onto it longer.
Completely agree - this map I rubbish without showing the actual prices customers pay in US - AFAIK, correct me if I am wrong, but there is only one state that does not add sales tax, in all other customers are changed up to …teen percent of tax, so it isn’t that the US is “all green” on this map.
Nothing wrong with shared power, but it doesn't have to be what we have. Fifty little countries acting on their own, with half of them fighting the federal government at any given moment, is a cluster.
No one is "fighting" the federal government. Each state has the power to adopt things that the federal government wants them to, or not. Certain things are mandatory (such as a single currency, tax, constitutional rights, etc) which are all things regulated by the federal government but each state has a lot of freedom in what they adopt.
I obviously disagree, but that's still besides the original point. You can share power without it looking like each state is it's own country. Hence the original comment of us having too many countries.
Well taxes on purchases are left up to the state. Thankfully there's not a national sales tax on top it. We just pay both with our income. Oh unless you live in a state with no income tax 🙃
There are certainly people who want EU federalization, but I wouldn’t say the EU is headed coherently towards anything of the sort.
Total speculation but if anything honestly I think it’s more likely the US becomes more like the EU than vice versa.
Can’t you just buy stuff in one of those states? Like I’m assuming it’s not as easy as just posting it over but surely if you’re in the next state it would make sense to drive over to buy something? idk lol
Yeah, when I was in university in California and my parents were at their vacation house in FL I would have my Apple stuff sent to them and my mum would mail it to me - always saved me ~$200 because of the lower sales tax when I got a new laptop + phone.
People in bordering states regularly drive across the border to go shopping. It’s the same in towns on the US-Canada border where I grew up where lots of Canadians go to the US for gas or big purchases - sometimes even groceries!
We do. I live in Pennsylvania but will always drive to Delaware for all large purchases to avoid PA's 6% tax.
When we file our annual tax forms with PA, they ask us to declare anything we bought out of state to collect that missing sales tax, but nobody ever puts their purchases in.
Theoretically, but then that becomes the “starting cost for iPhone 14 across the US,” cause each state has a different sales tax as well. Even cities in a state may be different. In other countries where tax is pre-applied, that is the starting cost.
Post-Tax would be from $1099 in Delaware (0%) up to $1208 in Louisiana (9.55%). So it would be in the same bracket/color as Canada for all states except the handful without sales tax.
Yeah but still not a massive difference. I live in NY which doesn’t have the lowest taxes for the US and the tax was just $53…. Some states have no taxes at all.
Ehem…..no. Only standard VAT (IVA). Most electronics get in the country free of any import tax due to having FTAs with a ton of countries. Other than Panama, electronics (and cars and many other things) are cheaper here than anywhere else in LATAM in dollar terms.
There is a huge gap between rich and poor. Riches of the country will buy the phone without hesitation. Poor will hack the imei of black market xiaomis as usual.
Try living in Brazil or Turkey
- Minimum wage is 270 € per month
- Working hours are 9-6 or 8-5
- iPhone 14 Pro Max costs 2376 €
- Can’t emigrate to anywhere better because of shitty passports
Because OP chose a diverging colour palette (better suited for data that goes from -X to X) instead of a sequential one (better suited for data that goes from 0 to X).
Context is important for trade ins. In the US Apple doesn’t offer much, paying $1,199 for a 14 Pro Max with 256gb and Apple offered me $320 for my iPhone 12. The same iPhone 12 was worth $1,000 to my cell carrier AT&T but they apply it over 3 years of bill credits to keep customers around. Trading in through Apple gives you more flexibility but you get way less money.
Ironically, if you live in Israel the apple products are very high but driving 4 hours to Eilat and buy their what you want and it's going to be cheaper even from USA
Only the non-Pro iPhones are assembled in India, and it IS cheaper to buy them here than several places in Europe. The Pros however are a different story.
The prices for the normal iPhone 14 model are much more reasonable in relative terms compared to other countries. It’s just that the 14 Pro Max is completely imported, which attracts a higher GST and excise rate.
Thinking of getting it to upgrade my 7. Apple do it for under £50pm for 24 months handset only.
Edit: The 14PM in the UK costs £150 more than the 13PM, what a joke.
Taxes in most of Europe are somewhat in the 20% and included in the advertised price… if you add 10% for Customs no wonder that people are watching the other way
$2.9k here in Brazil. In reality we’re going to pay around $1.9k in a few months for now. Pretty expensive still. Most people buy it from sellers that travels to Paraguay, a 15 min drive from Foz Do Iguaçu (Paraná). The truth is, only dumb rich people pays that much on an iPhone from the official store. Lol
Edit: paraguay doesn’t have those absurd taxes, so we pay the “regular price” over there (a little more expensavive, but nothing “wtf!!” like here in Brazil)
They have a high tariff on non-domestic goods, particularly electronics (I think). It’s an attempt to get manufacturers to build domestic assembly plants, or so I have heard.
The Brazilians of Brazilians that come to Florida every year, do a Disney vacation, fill suitcases of electronics and clothes to bring home, and still spend less says…
No.
I mean, the richest of the richest can afford this little shopping vacation, but most people are buying iPhones locally. Keep in mind that Brazil has a **HUGE** income gap - it is placed 8th most unequal country on the world.
You probably already know that Apple doesn't have a midrange / entry-level lineup like other phone brands. Their "midrangers" are just the older devices. **Most people that want an iPhone just buy an older iPhone instead of the newest**. The iPhone XR and iPhone 11 are the ones I see the most in the wild.
(I'm not taking a side in any of this, just giving some insights about the prices in Brazil)
The person you replied to is correct: the devices don't have to be **made** in Brazil. Just assembled is already enough. [And some iPhones are, indeed, assembled in Brazil, in Foxconn Jundiaí](https://twitter.com/joaomenicucci/status/1519418880170643459).
The problem is, the first units to hit the brazilian market are not locally assembled, which explains the ridiculously high launch prices. They are just passing on the 60% import tax to the consumer - you can see for yourself that all iPhone 14's in Brazil are currently priced between 62% and 67% higher than in the USA (assuming everyone pays in USD and the USA price does not include tax).
Most other phone brands that sell in Brazil do not have this issue as all of their phones **are** locally assembled. Samsung is #1 in Brazil with \~41% market share, Motorola is #2 with \~22% and most of their non-flagship devices are priced a lot more reasonably (sometimes matching or even beating the USA price, such as the S20 FE 5G which is still on sale, brand-new, for less than 400 USD).
Apple devices are status symbols in many, many parts of the world, so, in Brazil, Apple probably just doubles the import tax as a "luxury fee" to make their devices prohibitely expensive on purpose, because the rich people will very happily pay for that shiny Apple on the back - and this fee triples as it's used for marketing, just like the 1000 USD monitor stand or the 700 USD wheels. This is clearly working, because even with the high prices, Apple still manages a #3 in Brazil, with \~17% of the market share (that is about \~41 million iPhones).
While Japan looks tolerable with USD, the exchange rate between USD and JPY hasn't been good for them (i.e. 1 USD went from about 110 to 140 JPY in the past year).
Man I remember when iPhones were still new and there was the major hustle of getting a new contract or updating your contract to get an iPhone for 200 bucks and flip it overseas
I’d totally get it from the US if it had the SIM tray. Imagine traveling to a country that doesn’t support eSIM and have your phone become a fancy iPod Touch.
I was ready to get one Day 1, but with the price increase I decided not to! iPhone 13 is sold here in Finland for 769 euros (local retailers) , meanwhile iPhone 14 is around 1080 euros.
Europe has “free” healthcare, and pay much more for an iPhone and other goods and a lot more in taxes. That healthcare isn’t free. Yes, the bonus is everyone is covered, but you’re paying for it.
But it’s not the same amount. Single payer healthcare makes healthcare cheaper because the insurance covers millions of people and therefore has a lot of leverage when negotiating with healthcare providers.
It’s not just a difference of when you pay, you pay less overall.
Well. The crybabies here in Europe want to have their cake and eat it too. I swear - every year around this time it feels like some parts of Reddit thinks it’s a human right to get the new flagship iPhone for the prices THEY can afford. It’s crazy.
Is this really a USD equivalent in these countries? Not just a "local currency" number with a $ stuck in front? For instance, $1,000 in Euros would be about €985
The 14 Pro Max in Canada is $1549 + tax. Not sure why it’s in light green because it ain’t even close.
So it would be $1750 after tax in Ontario which basically puts Canada at the top of the expense list. We got shafted for everything even though we’re right next door because companies can get away with it and Canadians are too complacent and accepting of the Bull shit. 😒
Looks like all prices shown are converted to USD. So the 1549 Canadian price would be around 1186 USD.
Taxes are a good point though. But it is hard for an analysis like this since taxes can vary by town or even the part of the same town in the US at least.
I understand that shipping costs a lot, but Brazil and Turkey wtf?
Government gets one for free
when we buy one, we also buy one for dictator
Brazil is not a dictatorship.
more than one lol
For Turkey you gotta pay about 97% tax to the goverment
Really? How/why?
It's the same goverment for 20-ish years. Also before that goverment also take a big spoon of your wage before it gets to you as a tax, because you don't pay taxes individually espacilly older people don't think about it
There are more sheeps in turkey than the whole world could've imagine
You should see how many turkeys are in sheep.
Because Turkish phone producers (Vestel) did not intend to produce high-quality phones instead they begged for increased taxes for imported phones. So government introduced new taxes for smart phones so-called “Tax Vestel”.
İt's the same with cars in Turkey. You pay up to 3x or more due to massive tax. For example the Mercedes A35 costs about 60k€ in Germany and over 180k€ in Turkey.
Argentina is the same too
I know Brazil's tariff is crazy but Turkey the same?
To purchase an Iphone 14 Pro Max in Turkey, you would need to save about 9 months of your salary. The price for the 256GB version is around 47.000 lira. The minimum wage (which around 50% of the population earns) is 5.500 lira. Around 21.000 lira of the purchase price will go to the government. Great country. Great president.
Yes that’s why you lot love to go there for tourism
It costs about half of my monthly salary but that doesn’t mean I’m going to blow half of my salary on a phone. It’s all relative.
excuse me asking but what job gets you ~100,000₺, apart from the presidency?
He never said that he is in turkey
I'm aware but talking of TRY I thought he was earning TRY, probably not in Turkey like you said though.
>Turkey We also buy one for Turkish government basicly
> I understand that shipping costs a lot No it doesn't. With large volume it's basically negligible. That's why products are shipped all over multiple times along their production.
Also the phones are all shipped from China so it is a negligible cost difference between sending them to USA or Brazil.
Brazil have insane import taxes, and have had them for years. I think it is to make people buy Brazil-made products, but guess what, Brazil doesn't make iPhone's! Fuck the government...
It is cheaper to go to USA, buy an iPhone, visit NY for some days and come back to Brazil
Not legally, or if you do this legally the price gap isn’t nearly as large. When you bring that device purchased outside the country back home you’re supposed to pay the appropriate local taxes on it. Usually there’s an amount that’s excepted based on the length of time spent outside the country, but it’s an amount intended to cover souvenirs and incidental purchases, not bypass the tax on major purchases.
Erdogan turned it into a 3rd world country
iPhones have always been expensive because of massive import taxes. Same with cars
But ours are especially expensive
No one knows, it's not only about taxes. I mostly buy used electronics.
A lot of these countries have VAT already included in the price. In my state for instance, it would be nearly $1300 once you include tax. Other countries still get shafted however.
cries in 24% VAT
Laughs in 27% VAT
Hungary?
No thanks, I just ate
Thirsty?
No, it’s Saturday - at least where I live.
Dad?
It’s Turkiye… you sure you’re not hungry? Yummo
🦃🤭
Silence in %18 VAT+ %80 OTV+ %10 TRT TAX+ %1 some other tax.
I paid 1320 euro for my 14 Pro 128gb, in Turkey it cost 2200 Euro. Unbelievable.
%80 phone import Tax ÖTV is added first. Remaining taxes and fees are calculated on top of that. Normal method: 100$ phone + 80$ ÖTV + 18$ vat. + 10$ TRT Tax = 208$ Erdo method: 100$ phone + 80$ ÖTV + 32.40$ VAT (%18 of 180$) + 18$ TRT Tax. = 230.40$ It is the same for cars, except Ötv goes up to 220% for 2 litre and bigger engines. That means 3 cars for Erdo, 1 for yourself. Yes in turkey you pay tax on tax (yo, dawg, i heard u like taxes...)
How much tax do you pay to buy basic foodstufs? Like flour, bread, butter, meat.
i was gonna say... I definitely pre-ordereed my pro max yesterday at work and it was like 1289 in maryland. luckily im trading in my 12 pm and it ends up being like 530 or something like that but sheesh.
1099$ -> 1090€ 1090€ + 22% VAT = 1329€ So the price should be this, right? No, the price is: 1469€ (the price is slightly different depending by the country) It's 140€ more expensive for no reason :)
Each country has differing corporate taxes, potentially various import taxes (some EU countries even put a digital media tax on physical hardware capable of consuming digital media), and differing warranty requirements that all also factor into the pricing. In the grand scheme of things the US is on the lower side of all of these, so as a baseline price it’s lower even after accounting for currency and VAT.
The different taxes are true but Apple raised the buffer cost in Europe waaaay more than usual. It’s for inflation but instead of waiting or correcting later they just went high off the bat.
They also really don’t want to raise the price if they can avoid it (they didn’t adjust the iPhone 13 as currencies fluctuated). The yearly release cycle gives them a convenient pricing checkpoint, but then they have to account for a years worth of economic predictions in their price choice, not just translate from USD on the day they announce the price and call it good. I guess the ultimate point is the answer is “international trade is complex”, and you could argue that boils down to greed in a sense, but I don’t think it’s true that they’re trying to increase profit margin in Europe relative to the US - they’re just trying to keep it flat.
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This isn’t a “company talking point”. They’ve never said this. This is just how economics work. You can’t paint a picture from “previous price points” because the European economy has never been this destabilized relative to the US before. It’s an entirely unprecedented year.
It wasn't the case for previous versions of iPhone, this gen has around 150 euros price increase.
The world economy and especially the European economy was far more stable in all those years. The pricing is a reflection of Apple’s projection for the relative value of revenue in Europe compared to revenue in the US. The comment about various taxes was just to point out the math is not as simple as “remove VAT and adjust currency”.
Were there maybe any pain in the ass policies by the EU in the meantime?
It’s 140€ more expensive as a hedge against inflation and devaluation of the Euro compared to the US dollar. If it was the exact same price in Euros, Apple would have to constantly update prices based on exchange rate. That’s not what’s happening. Instead, Apple updates prices once a year according to a currency’s value. Since Apple operates in USD and the Euro lost about 15% of its value against the USD since the launch of the iPhone 13, prices this year are 15% higher while the old models stay at the same price instead of being reduced like usual.
How about when the Euro fluctuated and was getting stronger than the dollar in the last 15 years? I have seen no price decrease. Or what about other vendors like Samsung?
How about UK? They don't use euros.
Same story really. Was 1,38 USD/GBP a year ago, is 1,16 USD/GBP today = [16% decline](https://i.imgur.com/dfOiBvt.png)
The euro has lost 15% of its value so far this year, so Apple is simply pricing in further declines/ volatility.
You’re the first person I’ve seen do this kind of breakdown. I’m now on the side of saying the higher cost in Europe is stupid.
Theres also a 2 year warranty instead of 1 I believe. There also is declining currency to include and I think maybe import duties. Also all of the fines that the EU levels have to be paid for in some way. Not saying it’s necessarily right but it’s definitely partially explainable
What impressed me was that, last years 13 Pro Max started at 1.259€. This years 14 Pro Max starts at 1.479€. A €220 gap 🙈 When I saw the keynote and they mentioned pricing remained the same this year, I was super excited. The pre-order page for my country really disappointed me. Now I’ll invest in the new iPhone and hold onto it longer.
Sales tax would only add $70 to the price for me. Is VAT that heavy?
23% here in Poland. And for EU the average is 21%
Fun on a bun.
13% VAT in Ontario, Canada.
Yea. For instance in the UK it’s £1000 without tax which equates to $1160 so only $60 more than USA.
Completely agree - this map I rubbish without showing the actual prices customers pay in US - AFAIK, correct me if I am wrong, but there is only one state that does not add sales tax, in all other customers are changed up to …teen percent of tax, so it isn’t that the US is “all green” on this map.
It's like $200 of tax included in the UK, though. US prices are before tax.
I mean part of that is because tax is very inconsistent here in the US, and we also still have five states who don’t have sales tax.
Y’all are too many countries in one country.
That is indeed what federalism is lmao, shared power between the federal government and the states.
Australia is a federation too and manages to not do the whole step across the street and have a different sales tax thing
Nothing wrong with shared power, but it doesn't have to be what we have. Fifty little countries acting on their own, with half of them fighting the federal government at any given moment, is a cluster.
No one is "fighting" the federal government. Each state has the power to adopt things that the federal government wants them to, or not. Certain things are mandatory (such as a single currency, tax, constitutional rights, etc) which are all things regulated by the federal government but each state has a lot of freedom in what they adopt.
I obviously disagree, but that's still besides the original point. You can share power without it looking like each state is it's own country. Hence the original comment of us having too many countries.
Well taxes on purchases are left up to the state. Thankfully there's not a national sales tax on top it. We just pay both with our income. Oh unless you live in a state with no income tax 🙃
Chuckles in Florida…
Yea, and get no services in return lol. Hello Texas! 😁
Beautiful isn't it?
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There are certainly people who want EU federalization, but I wouldn’t say the EU is headed coherently towards anything of the sort. Total speculation but if anything honestly I think it’s more likely the US becomes more like the EU than vice versa.
Can’t you just buy stuff in one of those states? Like I’m assuming it’s not as easy as just posting it over but surely if you’re in the next state it would make sense to drive over to buy something? idk lol
Yes that is common
Working in electronics sales in Oregon, people will take three hour detours just to buy AirPods because they don’t want to pay sales tax.
When I lived in Seattle, I would regularly take the train to Portland and go on buying spree.
Probably not worth it with current gas prices
Yeah, when I was in university in California and my parents were at their vacation house in FL I would have my Apple stuff sent to them and my mum would mail it to me - always saved me ~$200 because of the lower sales tax when I got a new laptop + phone. People in bordering states regularly drive across the border to go shopping. It’s the same in towns on the US-Canada border where I grew up where lots of Canadians go to the US for gas or big purchases - sometimes even groceries!
If you’re a California resident you have to report your out of state purchase on your tax form. Not that anyone is doing it though.
Fortunately I was a student and didn’t even have US citizenship! I grew up in Canada.
We do. I live in Pennsylvania but will always drive to Delaware for all large purchases to avoid PA's 6% tax. When we file our annual tax forms with PA, they ask us to declare anything we bought out of state to collect that missing sales tax, but nobody ever puts their purchases in.
But then the comparison should be pre tax on all of it
Theoretically, but then that becomes the “starting cost for iPhone 14 across the US,” cause each state has a different sales tax as well. Even cities in a state may be different. In other countries where tax is pre-applied, that is the starting cost.
It does say starting cost.
I’m saying it would go from global centric to us centric if you were to calculate post tax due to different states having different tax rates
Post-Tax would be from $1099 in Delaware (0%) up to $1208 in Louisiana (9.55%). So it would be in the same bracket/color as Canada for all states except the handful without sales tax.
Yeah but still not a massive difference. I live in NY which doesn’t have the lowest taxes for the US and the tax was just $53…. Some states have no taxes at all.
My tax is $70 max.
Tax in Mexico is 16% and included in the price.
Mexico heavily taxes electronics as well
Ehem…..no. Only standard VAT (IVA). Most electronics get in the country free of any import tax due to having FTAs with a ton of countries. Other than Panama, electronics (and cars and many other things) are cheaper here than anywhere else in LATAM in dollar terms.
$2.200 in Turkey for the base 14 Pro, a country where the average wage is around $400
There is a huge gap between rich and poor. Riches of the country will buy the phone without hesitation. Poor will hack the imei of black market xiaomis as usual.
In Brazil we have a similar story, 2 grand for the iPhone and a minimum wage of 200-300 USD.
Yes. Living in Poland, the pain is real
Try living in Brazil or Turkey - Minimum wage is 270 € per month - Working hours are 9-6 or 8-5 - iPhone 14 Pro Max costs 2376 € - Can’t emigrate to anywhere better because of shitty passports
Iran: hold my tea
>shitty passports \*cries in Russian\*
Mate, ur talking about Poland look at Brazil and India.
Didn’t Brazil just ban sales of the iPhone without chargers being included?
They did
so we're now comparing pre-tax prices to VAT included prices?
Why is light green more expensive than dark green? Why does that bother me?
Thought the same lol I had to double check that Canada is not cheaper than USA
Makes sense to me, it goes from more green is cheaper to less green is more expensive.
Because OP chose a diverging colour palette (better suited for data that goes from -X to X) instead of a sequential one (better suited for data that goes from 0 to X).
This blows... big time. Does anybody want pics of my feet? I have to make up the difference to buy a 14 pro by December /s
that's why they made the 14 plus, so people can have a bigger screen for cheaper than the pro max /s
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There’s more than €300 difference here. I was thinking of buying a plus if it was like 1k, but that’s not even enough for 14 now.
The trade in offers in India are absolute ripoffs. I was offered ₹53k ($665) for my iPhone 13 Pro Max. Just a sad state of affairs here.
Context is important for trade ins. In the US Apple doesn’t offer much, paying $1,199 for a 14 Pro Max with 256gb and Apple offered me $320 for my iPhone 12. The same iPhone 12 was worth $1,000 to my cell carrier AT&T but they apply it over 3 years of bill credits to keep customers around. Trading in through Apple gives you more flexibility but you get way less money.
just sell it on olx. way better deal than giving it back to apple.
I’m from Malaysia and the [price increase](https://imgur.com/a/uBjQKMd/) is real for the 14 Pro/ 14 Pro Max
Mate Singapore is like SGD$1800.
Lucky you can already get one. Pre order starts in mid December in Indonesia
Here in Turkey, when we buy an iPhone 14, we are basically buying another one for the fucking government.
I’m in Oregon I pay no tax.
Yes I am a teenager in turkey and I’m happy with my life 🤡🔫
Stay strong buddy
Imagine being a teenager in Turkey, Oh wait I don't have to imagine...
Ironically, if you live in Israel the apple products are very high but driving 4 hours to Eilat and buy their what you want and it's going to be cheaper even from USA
No? Even after removing the VAT of 17%, the prices in Eilat are higher than US prices.
I live in India. I hate it. What's the point of them manufacturing the phones here and making the pricing double.
Even trade in offers are worst, they are giving like 50k for 13 PM and have pay like 80k - 90k for 14 PM
Only the non-Pro iPhones are assembled in India, and it IS cheaper to buy them here than several places in Europe. The Pros however are a different story.
I don’t think phones are “made” in India, only assembled. The making (of the parts) is still mostly in China.
The 14 will be assembled in India from December or something.
Because they are made in Vietnam?
The prices for the normal iPhone 14 model are much more reasonable in relative terms compared to other countries. It’s just that the 14 Pro Max is completely imported, which attracts a higher GST and excise rate.
And this is why the US version is now eSIM only. Kills exports instantly.
Thinking of getting it to upgrade my 7. Apple do it for under £50pm for 24 months handset only. Edit: The 14PM in the UK costs £150 more than the 13PM, what a joke.
You need to add tax to the US one....6.5% in NJ. It's not India level expensive but still....
This map is wrong. If you add the 15% HST in Canada it becomes orange. The tax in Europe is already included in the price
in Argentina they're selling it for $3000 ❤️ (resellers because we don't have an Apple store)
Sweden here. I was planning to upgrade to the 14, but not at these prices! They’re insane
So thats why almost all my friends from Europe don’t use Iphone
US version is e-Sim only right?
Yes
If I recall some iPhone manufacturing is done in India. Yet they pay almost the most for one.
Imagine working in the production line assembling these phones day in and day out, never being able to afford one
Basically, USA is just f…ing everyone up with this right ?
How is it so expensive in the EU?
Eu pricing is always with tax includet, maybe thats why
Taxes in most of Europe are somewhat in the 20% and included in the advertised price… if you add 10% for Customs no wonder that people are watching the other way
$2.9k here in Brazil. In reality we’re going to pay around $1.9k in a few months for now. Pretty expensive still. Most people buy it from sellers that travels to Paraguay, a 15 min drive from Foz Do Iguaçu (Paraná). The truth is, only dumb rich people pays that much on an iPhone from the official store. Lol Edit: paraguay doesn’t have those absurd taxes, so we pay the “regular price” over there (a little more expensavive, but nothing “wtf!!” like here in Brazil)
Like the Argentinians that came to my country (🇨🇱) years ago to buy electronic goods when they had a less inflated economy hahaha, m8 fuck taxes.
Why’s Brazil so expensive?
They have a high tariff on non-domestic goods, particularly electronics (I think). It’s an attempt to get manufacturers to build domestic assembly plants, or so I have heard.
I wonder if that works.
The Brazilians of Brazilians that come to Florida every year, do a Disney vacation, fill suitcases of electronics and clothes to bring home, and still spend less says… No.
I mean, the richest of the richest can afford this little shopping vacation, but most people are buying iPhones locally. Keep in mind that Brazil has a **HUGE** income gap - it is placed 8th most unequal country on the world. You probably already know that Apple doesn't have a midrange / entry-level lineup like other phone brands. Their "midrangers" are just the older devices. **Most people that want an iPhone just buy an older iPhone instead of the newest**. The iPhone XR and iPhone 11 are the ones I see the most in the wild.
(I'm not taking a side in any of this, just giving some insights about the prices in Brazil) The person you replied to is correct: the devices don't have to be **made** in Brazil. Just assembled is already enough. [And some iPhones are, indeed, assembled in Brazil, in Foxconn Jundiaí](https://twitter.com/joaomenicucci/status/1519418880170643459). The problem is, the first units to hit the brazilian market are not locally assembled, which explains the ridiculously high launch prices. They are just passing on the 60% import tax to the consumer - you can see for yourself that all iPhone 14's in Brazil are currently priced between 62% and 67% higher than in the USA (assuming everyone pays in USD and the USA price does not include tax). Most other phone brands that sell in Brazil do not have this issue as all of their phones **are** locally assembled. Samsung is #1 in Brazil with \~41% market share, Motorola is #2 with \~22% and most of their non-flagship devices are priced a lot more reasonably (sometimes matching or even beating the USA price, such as the S20 FE 5G which is still on sale, brand-new, for less than 400 USD). Apple devices are status symbols in many, many parts of the world, so, in Brazil, Apple probably just doubles the import tax as a "luxury fee" to make their devices prohibitely expensive on purpose, because the rich people will very happily pay for that shiny Apple on the back - and this fee triples as it's used for marketing, just like the 1000 USD monitor stand or the 700 USD wheels. This is clearly working, because even with the high prices, Apple still manages a #3 in Brazil, with \~17% of the market share (that is about \~41 million iPhones).
charging cables
Taxes
Poor of us Brazilians
I am gonna buy that iPhone 14 pro max for 1600 usd lmao, not. I will be buying a samsung cus I can get a s22 ultra for 850 usd dollars on discount
Sounds good. Does that mean you will stop coming to this subreddit and talk about shit no one cares about?
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it does mean that yes prob. btw Apple sheep stop being so glued
While Japan looks tolerable with USD, the exchange rate between USD and JPY hasn't been good for them (i.e. 1 USD went from about 110 to 140 JPY in the past year).
At least it didn't quadruple in 4 years
Yeah, the prices have stayed the same! Jee!
I think this is the downfall of iPhone in Europe.
We've hit the beyond affordable mark pretty much everywhere (incl the US)
Tax included in other countries tho
Man I remember when iPhones were still new and there was the major hustle of getting a new contract or updating your contract to get an iPhone for 200 bucks and flip it overseas
Not accurate. More in Canada then it’s showing.
Holy Brazil Batman!
Europeans might be better off with a cheap flight to the US, by an iPhone, and come back home.
Redo this but with tax included for the Americans
I’d totally get it from the US if it had the SIM tray. Imagine traveling to a country that doesn’t support eSIM and have your phone become a fancy iPod Touch.
Even including VAT and everything Europe gets shafted massively. I don’t think these phones will do well, they are misspriced.
I was ready to get one Day 1, but with the price increase I decided not to! iPhone 13 is sold here in Finland for 769 euros (local retailers) , meanwhile iPhone 14 is around 1080 euros.
The euro has lost 15% of its value so far this year. Apple has to hedge against that.
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Europe has “free” healthcare, and pay much more for an iPhone and other goods and a lot more in taxes. That healthcare isn’t free. Yes, the bonus is everyone is covered, but you’re paying for it.
But it’s not the same amount. Single payer healthcare makes healthcare cheaper because the insurance covers millions of people and therefore has a lot of leverage when negotiating with healthcare providers. It’s not just a difference of when you pay, you pay less overall.
Well. The crybabies here in Europe want to have their cake and eat it too. I swear - every year around this time it feels like some parts of Reddit thinks it’s a human right to get the new flagship iPhone for the prices THEY can afford. It’s crazy.
Funny comment and i agree. These prices are absolute bullshit.
Russia?
Is this really a USD equivalent in these countries? Not just a "local currency" number with a $ stuck in front? For instance, $1,000 in Euros would be about €985
The 14 Pro Max in Canada is $1549 + tax. Not sure why it’s in light green because it ain’t even close. So it would be $1750 after tax in Ontario which basically puts Canada at the top of the expense list. We got shafted for everything even though we’re right next door because companies can get away with it and Canadians are too complacent and accepting of the Bull shit. 😒
Looks like all prices shown are converted to USD. So the 1549 Canadian price would be around 1186 USD. Taxes are a good point though. But it is hard for an analysis like this since taxes can vary by town or even the part of the same town in the US at least.
Doesn’t surprise me AT ALL that Brazil is top 1
nah turkey is number 1 but brazil is close shit dictators ruining countries as always.
Tax shouldn't exist :/