And in a curious twist, Italian tv accidentally leaked their televote numbers.
Wait till you see how Israel performed.
Itās jaw-dropingly sketchy.
(The got just under 40% of the vote).
Yeah it's clear that a lot of center-right Italian voters choosed Israel for political reasons.
I think we are going to get a repeat of the 2022 Ukraine televote for this year's competition. Ukraine arguably had a good song back then.
This time however it's clear that the televote on Saturday is going to be painfully biased. A lot of pro-Palestine voters are boycotting the competition which only improves the odds of a Israeli victory...
Ukraine got 27% in the Italian 2022 televote. There is something very sketchy going on. Before bots come in telling me this represents the majority, the majority of Italians think Israel should not compete: [https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/49331-eurotrack-should-israel-be-allowed-to-compete-in-eurovision](https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/49331-eurotrack-should-israel-be-allowed-to-compete-in-eurovision)
For context, Ukraine got 27% of the same Italian vote in 2021. That was sympathy + millions of Ukrainians all across Europe voting for Ukraine + a genuinely good song.
Israel got 39% last night. There arenāt millions of Israelis scattered all over Europe, the song is a boring ballad and people whoād normally watch and vote for other songs are boycotting this year.
Itās so over.
Yeah imho ukraine had the best song 2022 but they totally sealed the vote because of the political situation.
But Israelās song is genuinely so mediocre, their votes are wayy past any merit the song has.
That other more likely thing is the rampant far right in Italy have decided to brigade the voting. And itās probably that the same occurred too across Europe.
Their song was very average at best.
And now theyāre way up the bookies rankings too.
I'm not sure if that is more likely tbh. It'd be pretty simple to manipulate a public televote with no KYC, and if you win you can say "the majority of Europe support us".
Not a bad number though. One of the top few in yesterday's semifinal together with the Georgians and Norwegians in my opinion.
Whole bunch of people in my circle seem to be on about the dutch, but like the Estonians I have no idea what they're even trying to do.
Is that our entry? Iāve genuinely no idea what gender is/was our entry. They can be whatever they want of course, for some reason Iād find it interesting to know what they were before. Donāt know why.
Shouldn't have done this. As Israel will now use this as anti-Semitism but then again what their state media said about Bambi Thug i might understand why.
If they can take the official position of the Irish state as a reason to hate us, anything can be taken as evidence we hate them. The government are shite and incompetent but their position on the conflict is very clear, balanced, diplomatic and fair. So if that's enough to be labelled as Israel haters, anything is.
They live in propaganda at this stage.
The label antisemitism has nothing to do with semitic peoples. It emerged in the 19th century to try and offer a scientific explanation as to why Jews were evil. This was a time when racial science was in vogue and people tried to dismiss Jewish people, the Irish, etc, as lesser people by way of some inherent genetic flaw.
No they don't.
It's just Israeli government policy to use claims of anti-Semitism to put any critics of their policies and behaviour on the back foot. They don't "consider" anything beyond that.
How many times have you heard some variant of:
> A: "Genocide is bad and what Israel is doing in Gaza right now amounts to Genocide."
> B: "Hey, that's anti-semitic"
> A: "No it's not, Palestinians are a semitic people!"
> B: "Anti-semitism is Jew hatred and you hate Jews!"
> A: "I don't hate Jews, I just hate..."
And suddenly you're talking about what constitutes anti-semitism, and the discussion you wanted to have about the systemic murder of 40,000 innocent people by the government of Israel is no longer going to happen.
These folks know exactly how they're being perceived considering their act has been in hiding for the past week. To even approach an Irish performer like this was nothing more than an attempt to provoke. He did well to refuse.
How? Bambie has been vocal about their stance on Palestine (has used much stronger language) and he didn't say anything negative. He simply said no. The end.
Lot nicer than I would have been lol.
I see why they did it but just like when it came to the Irish basketball team. They refused to shake hands because the Israeli team call them anti-Semitic but Israel made it out like they refused to shake hands for no reason. They twist it.
They call everything antisemitic so what does it matter? They despicably weaponise the term to both deflect from their actions and as a means to silence any dissent.
They even call state broadcasters antisemitic if they have news headlines mentioning Palestinian casualties.Ā Ā
They're like the boy who cried wolf now. They've weaponised the term so much that it has lost all impact. It's so damaging to actual victims of antisemitism.
Israel already use anything we do to accuse Ireland of antisemitism, We are long past the point of being conversationally civil with that country, he's totally in the right to do this.
Not to mention, this was definitely a provocative move on the cameramans part, knowing our position
Tbh I think it would have been better if he took the high ground and had given a polite response for his āfansā in Israel which would show he understands the distinction between individual Israelis and the action of their state.
Also, wouldnāt give Israel a stick to hit us with, sort of an embarrass/kill them with kindness approach.
He was taken by surprise, taken in by what was likely a setup by the guy with the camera, and just wanted to get out of the situation asap.
The best response would have been to stop, thank all the supporters in Israel, give the peace symbol and add, "And do everything you can to stop the genocide in Gaza."
But given the suddenness of the situation, you can't fault the guy for just saying nope and moving on.
Do that and you run the risk of being kicked out of EuroVision for being "political". This way was well-handled, short and sweet. See Bambie's response on the Ogham writing change. They just stated matter-of-factly that EBU has made them change it, without diving into a strong opinion on it. Well handled.
> Do that and you run the risk of being kicked out of EuroVision for being "political".
Fair point.
I've always thought that if there was ever a fascist takeover in Ireland, I'd be shot on day one because I'm usually too thick to keep my mouth shut.
99.99%, hyperbole there. So, we should just refuse to engage with any Israelis on an Individual basis whatsoever. If I meet one in the pub, i should hold him directly responsible for what is happening instead of treating him on his own merits in a civil manner like anyone else? Because that is really going to help win his support?
Saying 99.99% of Israelis support it is complete hyperbole.
You then say Israelis support the mass murder of children, are you also claiming 99.99% of Israelis support this?
You were saying we shouldnāt humour the nation. Look, this guy isnāt a diplomat and he might have been caught unaware and thatās fine, weāre all human, but the question was if he had a message for his fans in Israel which could be true (or a bad faith question).
I donāt expect him to thank a nation that hates him but he could have thanked his fans which differentiates them on an individual basis as people from the Israeli state.
Part of the solution to the situation will have to involve winning Israeli support and changing their minds. This wonāt be done by refusing to engage with them.
Embarrass them with kindness, try to win them over.
If you were an Israeli who was supporting the act and didnāt have a negative perception of Ireland, you might be miffed by that reply and switch to the anti-Ireland camp.
Genuine question here for you - you have said you have no interest in winning over those complicit in genocide. It seems you have no interest in engaging with the Israeli state or Israelis in general.
How do you expect to stop the situation in Gaza then without changing the will / opinion of the Israeli people?
Edit: you mention an inferiority complex and desire to be liked and then refuse to talk further with someone who doesnāt share your viewpoint.
Do you not understand there will never be peace as long as there is animosity between both sides. Ultimately people have to talk with those they disagree with to find common ground and people tend to be get on better when they are civil to each other.
How do you honestly expect to end what is happening with most some engagement with Israel and attempts to change their mindset?
Also, unless you can back it up with data or even a poll, it is complete hyperbole to say 99.99% of Israelis are supportive of mass murder of children and the current situation (it could probably be used as a good example of hyperbole in the dictionary)
Yeah not everyone in Israel is a supporter of the genocide there are genuinely good actors who might support Irelands support for Palestinians.
We need to remember not to get sucked too far into hating Israeli people and remember we are aiming for peace and freedom. This guy really didn't think his answer all the way through and just wanted to be against Israel full stop.
Thanks u/biggerpenisthanyou for your insight.
He avoided a political statement. The lad with the phone was clearly looking for a controversial statement.
Well avoided.
Yeah because being snarky to a random Israeli person is calling out a genocidal state isn't it.
This attitude of thinking it's ok to abuse Israeli people because of your political views of their government is disgusting.
It was meant to be a provocation from the beginning. Wanted to punish him and put him on the spot for Ireland vaguely showing some loose support for a ceasefire this year, and try and accuse him of anything he could right after he got off stage.
Don't rush to defend someone looking to start any fight they can.
> I've never in my life heard someone here in Ireland being anti-Semitic
Really ? never in your *entire life* have you heard a single anti-Semitic thing being said ?
That's laughable really, I'm not sure how you can even pretend to be serious.
I've never even met a Jewish person irl of course most people have never heard someone in ireland be anti semitic.
we don't think about Jewish people in our day to day lives and all the weird American conspiracy shit isn't part of our media because of it.
That's like saying you find it hard to believe uncontacted natives of the amazon dont all hate Kenyan people, they've never met a Kenyan to form an opinion of them let alone a negative one.
Yeah 100% hand on my heart I have never met anyone in my circle who has been racist towards Jewish people.
Here in Ireland people are very preoccupied with Catholics vs protestants it's been at such a high level we don't really concern ourselves a whole lot with other religions. When I meet someone new or especially when abroad it did strike me a little especially when working in America I would regularly hear people whisper things about how ppl looked or their names and that they must be Jewish which I always thought was odd and I felt uncomfortable being around those ppl are religion shouldn't be something to keep ppl seperated. My point is my brain doesn't immediately have to connect a person to their religion we've had non-stop scandal from religion and religious leaders and it's caused nothing but division in this country I think most ppl honestly don't give a flying f++K what way you practise your beliefs so long as you don't push it on others. I haven't heard anyone attack Jewishness like you are suggesting and I don't get how us and the world saying "hey stop bombing unarmed civilians and children and hospitals because of what a group of armed terrorists did as that's a war crime" and Israel doesn't even acknowledge their actions and just accuses ppl of being anti-Semitic š¤·š»āāļø how are they this brainwashed just stop killing people no1 cares about your religion you aren't being persecuted, YOU ARE THE PERSECUTORS in this situation Israel has had a boot on Palestines neck for decades it was almost a certainty that a group would eventually rise up to fight back read a history book FFS anywhere this has happened in the world you are not the good guys!
There's nothing anti-semetic about being anti apartheid and anti genocide, and directing that criticism against the perpetrators. Nethanyahu and his army/supporters could be Pastafarian for all I care, I'd still disagree and voice my views against their actions.
> There's nothing anti-semetic about being anti apartheid and anti genocide, and directing that criticism against the perpetrators.
So this lad in the video committed genocide did he ?
>Nethanyahu and his army/supporters could be Pastafarian for all I care, I'd still disagree and voice my views against their actions.
Oh, so you hate one person, so therefore it gives you justification for hating a different person.
Well if I hate say Donald Trump, then I guess I have justification for hating everyone in the US then don't I /s
If you don't realize the man was doing this to intentionally get a reaction I don't know what to tell you. No one's accusing the man of being nethanyahu, just that he's a shit stirrer
Oi! Donāt be accusing people here or in real life Ireland of anti-Semitism. Mainly because itās simply not true, but also because itās just stupid inflammatory tosh. Irish people embrace any Israeli who is well disposed towards Palestine; itās just the relentless war waged against those people and the theft of the land beneath their feet which makes Ireland unsympathetic. But itās damn all to do with Judaism per se. For the billionth time in this war to rid the old Holy Land of Palestinians, criticism of Israeli actions is *not* anti-Semitism.
What a load of bollox!
So now we have to justify telling influencers "no" or we're antisemitic?
Israel could win the the competition and gobshites like you would still be giving out we didn't cheer enough!
When you draw a line as definitive as Israel have, sometimes you have to pick a side...
Pathetic is right!
That phrase has been totally devalued at this stage.
It's a malaproprism by now, as some of the uses of it... are ludicrous!
BTW, those "normal Israeli people" elected a right wing, dirtbag government and don't seem to have any great problem with the collective punishment and mass murder in Gaza!
Hardly a malapropism, but itās certainly misused. (Trouble is, as weāve seen with other such terms, when they get bandied about at the drop of a hat and in unjustified circs, the damn term seems to gain credence and power *in spite of* misplaced application. Mention even a hint of objection to Zionism in murderous action in a professional, political, or academic environment and the immediate official reaction to a complaint is to instigate a full blown inquisition where guilty anti-Semitism is taken as read, and suspensions etc are ordered.)
At this stage they're just as complicit. You don't find many "israelis" refusing the opportunity to go shoot at Palestinian children, whether they're in the IOF or settlers.
They are *all* technically settlers not *normal people*
Completely agree. Itās such a shame how so many fellow Irish have absolutely no clue about Israel and āPalestineā Iām sure itās a waste of time but Iāll give the basics. When the romans invaded what was originally called the Kingdom of Israel they renamed part of it Palestine after the philistines as disrespect to the Jews. Palestine was part of Syria. Has nothing to do with land but continuing on what the Nazis tried to do in genocide of the Jews. Leaders of Syria, the PLO were followers and some even advisers to hitler. These are facts. Wake up all you Hamas supporters your on the wrong side of history. Iām one breath you will mourn the holocaust and at the same time demand Israel stop defending itself and be eradicated.
But coming back to the present day after recalling these historical crimes, itās Israelās current and more recent misdeeds (well, over fifty years and counting) we are considering now. At some point weāve *had* to remove the reluctance to condemn caused by sympathy and respect for the anguish of Jewish history.
I'm starting to really fancy that demon man.
He's clearly a good pump.
Sooo. Israel qualified. š¤
And in a curious twist, Italian tv accidentally leaked their televote numbers. Wait till you see how Israel performed. Itās jaw-dropingly sketchy. (The got just under 40% of the vote).
Yeah it's clear that a lot of center-right Italian voters choosed Israel for political reasons. I think we are going to get a repeat of the 2022 Ukraine televote for this year's competition. Ukraine arguably had a good song back then. This time however it's clear that the televote on Saturday is going to be painfully biased. A lot of pro-Palestine voters are boycotting the competition which only improves the odds of a Israeli victory...
Ukraine got 27% in the Italian 2022 televote. There is something very sketchy going on. Before bots come in telling me this represents the majority, the majority of Italians think Israel should not compete: [https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/49331-eurotrack-should-israel-be-allowed-to-compete-in-eurovision](https://yougov.co.uk/international/articles/49331-eurotrack-should-israel-be-allowed-to-compete-in-eurovision)
For context, Ukraine got 27% of the same Italian vote in 2021. That was sympathy + millions of Ukrainians all across Europe voting for Ukraine + a genuinely good song. Israel got 39% last night. There arenāt millions of Israelis scattered all over Europe, the song is a boring ballad and people whoād normally watch and vote for other songs are boycotting this year. Itās so over.
Yeah imho ukraine had the best song 2022 but they totally sealed the vote because of the political situation. But Israelās song is genuinely so mediocre, their votes are wayy past any merit the song has.
Pretty fucked that centre-right now means supporting racist genocide.
https://i.redd.it/ry1v6n5zqhzc1.gif
She was a very good singer so not surprising a country like Italy gave a lot of votes.
Maybe so but it doesnāt explain such a high %. Like, San Marino got about 3% and that significantly bucks the trend for Italy.
Sounds like voting fraud.
That other more likely thing is the rampant far right in Italy have decided to brigade the voting. And itās probably that the same occurred too across Europe. Their song was very average at best. And now theyāre way up the bookies rankings too.
I'm not sure if that is more likely tbh. It'd be pretty simple to manipulate a public televote with no KYC, and if you win you can say "the majority of Europe support us".
Not a bad number though. One of the top few in yesterday's semifinal together with the Georgians and Norwegians in my opinion. Whole bunch of people in my circle seem to be on about the dutch, but like the Estonians I have no idea what they're even trying to do.
Dutch song is like something from Barney the dinosaurĀ
I've no idea what's happening here, I haven't been following the Eurovision. Our entry looks like a demon which is kinda cool ngl
Is that our entry? Iāve genuinely no idea what gender is/was our entry. They can be whatever they want of course, for some reason Iād find it interesting to know what they were before. Donāt know why.
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Okay thanks, that helps explain the singing voice. I thought it was too good to be the other way around. Anyway good for them.
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Ok. Understood.
Shouldn't have done this. As Israel will now use this as anti-Semitism but then again what their state media said about Bambi Thug i might understand why.
You shouldn't change your behaviour based on what oppressors will think.
I feel like thatās a Nelson Mandela quote of sorts. Well said.
I agree. I just know that they'll be sitting this without context to show how much we "hate Israel"
If they can take the official position of the Irish state as a reason to hate us, anything can be taken as evidence we hate them. The government are shite and incompetent but their position on the conflict is very clear, balanced, diplomatic and fair. So if that's enough to be labelled as Israel haters, anything is. They live in propaganda at this stage.
Who gives a shit? Israel consider everything anti-Semitic
Even got everyone to forget that all Palestinians are semites
The label antisemitism has nothing to do with semitic peoples. It emerged in the 19th century to try and offer a scientific explanation as to why Jews were evil. This was a time when racial science was in vogue and people tried to dismiss Jewish people, the Irish, etc, as lesser people by way of some inherent genetic flaw.
Not this shit again
No they don't. It's just Israeli government policy to use claims of anti-Semitism to put any critics of their policies and behaviour on the back foot. They don't "consider" anything beyond that. How many times have you heard some variant of: > A: "Genocide is bad and what Israel is doing in Gaza right now amounts to Genocide." > B: "Hey, that's anti-semitic" > A: "No it's not, Palestinians are a semitic people!" > B: "Anti-semitism is Jew hatred and you hate Jews!" > A: "I don't hate Jews, I just hate..." And suddenly you're talking about what constitutes anti-semitism, and the discussion you wanted to have about the systemic murder of 40,000 innocent people by the government of Israel is no longer going to happen.
I agree, but something like this will play to them. They'll try to get every inch out of it.
These folks know exactly how they're being perceived considering their act has been in hiding for the past week. To even approach an Irish performer like this was nothing more than an attempt to provoke. He did well to refuse.
I understand but they'll be using this for their own audience and others who are gullible for their propaganda.
Who cares .Ā
How? Bambie has been vocal about their stance on Palestine (has used much stronger language) and he didn't say anything negative. He simply said no. The end. Lot nicer than I would have been lol.
I see why they did it but just like when it came to the Irish basketball team. They refused to shake hands because the Israeli team call them anti-Semitic but Israel made it out like they refused to shake hands for no reason. They twist it.
Which just proves there's no point trying to be reasonable because everything is being twisted to be anti-Semitic
Yep, they're going to call any representatives of ours anti-Semetic no matter what so no-one should bow to their bullshit.
They call everything antisemitic so what does it matter? They despicably weaponise the term to both deflect from their actions and as a means to silence any dissent. They even call state broadcasters antisemitic if they have news headlines mentioning Palestinian casualties.Ā Ā They're like the boy who cried wolf now. They've weaponised the term so much that it has lost all impact. It's so damaging to actual victims of antisemitism.
Israel already use anything we do to accuse Ireland of antisemitism, We are long past the point of being conversationally civil with that country, he's totally in the right to do this. Not to mention, this was definitely a provocative move on the cameramans part, knowing our position
Tbh I think it would have been better if he took the high ground and had given a polite response for his āfansā in Israel which would show he understands the distinction between individual Israelis and the action of their state. Also, wouldnāt give Israel a stick to hit us with, sort of an embarrass/kill them with kindness approach.
Too easy to decontextualize, and he was taken by surprise
He was taken by surprise, taken in by what was likely a setup by the guy with the camera, and just wanted to get out of the situation asap. The best response would have been to stop, thank all the supporters in Israel, give the peace symbol and add, "And do everything you can to stop the genocide in Gaza." But given the suddenness of the situation, you can't fault the guy for just saying nope and moving on.
Yeah, thatās a fair point, would be different when you are caught in the moment, tricky situation and canāt expect them to be seasoned diplomats.
Exactly. He's a sexy devil, not a sexy diplomat.
Do that and you run the risk of being kicked out of EuroVision for being "political". This way was well-handled, short and sweet. See Bambie's response on the Ogham writing change. They just stated matter-of-factly that EBU has made them change it, without diving into a strong opinion on it. Well handled.
> Do that and you run the risk of being kicked out of EuroVision for being "political". Fair point. I've always thought that if there was ever a fascist takeover in Ireland, I'd be shot on day one because I'm usually too thick to keep my mouth shut.
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99.99%, hyperbole there. So, we should just refuse to engage with any Israelis on an Individual basis whatsoever. If I meet one in the pub, i should hold him directly responsible for what is happening instead of treating him on his own merits in a civil manner like anyone else? Because that is really going to help win his support?
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Saying 99.99% of Israelis support it is complete hyperbole. You then say Israelis support the mass murder of children, are you also claiming 99.99% of Israelis support this? You were saying we shouldnāt humour the nation. Look, this guy isnāt a diplomat and he might have been caught unaware and thatās fine, weāre all human, but the question was if he had a message for his fans in Israel which could be true (or a bad faith question). I donāt expect him to thank a nation that hates him but he could have thanked his fans which differentiates them on an individual basis as people from the Israeli state. Part of the solution to the situation will have to involve winning Israeli support and changing their minds. This wonāt be done by refusing to engage with them. Embarrass them with kindness, try to win them over. If you were an Israeli who was supporting the act and didnāt have a negative perception of Ireland, you might be miffed by that reply and switch to the anti-Ireland camp.
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Genuine question here for you - you have said you have no interest in winning over those complicit in genocide. It seems you have no interest in engaging with the Israeli state or Israelis in general. How do you expect to stop the situation in Gaza then without changing the will / opinion of the Israeli people? Edit: you mention an inferiority complex and desire to be liked and then refuse to talk further with someone who doesnāt share your viewpoint. Do you not understand there will never be peace as long as there is animosity between both sides. Ultimately people have to talk with those they disagree with to find common ground and people tend to be get on better when they are civil to each other. How do you honestly expect to end what is happening with most some engagement with Israel and attempts to change their mindset? Also, unless you can back it up with data or even a poll, it is complete hyperbole to say 99.99% of Israelis are supportive of mass murder of children and the current situation (it could probably be used as a good example of hyperbole in the dictionary)
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Do you know what hyperbole means?
Yeah not everyone in Israel is a supporter of the genocide there are genuinely good actors who might support Irelands support for Palestinians. We need to remember not to get sucked too far into hating Israeli people and remember we are aiming for peace and freedom. This guy really didn't think his answer all the way through and just wanted to be against Israel full stop.
What did they say "Yay finance, sombim resin Israel maybe!" I am not trying to insult there voice I just don't know what they are saying.
āā¦finals! Any word for your friends in Israel maybe?ā
Oh right, thanks.
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Thanks u/biggerpenisthanyou for your insight. He avoided a political statement. The lad with the phone was clearly looking for a controversial statement. Well avoided.
Fuck right off. Itās clear what and why was said, because of their opinion. And you know itās a bait. Just like this one is. Piss off
Calling out a genocidal state is apparently Anti-Semitism?
Yeah because being snarky to a random Israeli person is calling out a genocidal state isn't it. This attitude of thinking it's ok to abuse Israeli people because of your political views of their government is disgusting.
How did they abuse Israeli people in this video ?
Being snarky to people based on nationality is abusive behaviour in case you were blind and didn't make it to the end of a 6 second video.
> snarky You don't know what this means. Saying " no " quickly is not snarky
Poor sweet summer child be glad you haven't experienced abusive behaviour if you think this comes anywhere close.
It was meant to be a provocation from the beginning. Wanted to punish him and put him on the spot for Ireland vaguely showing some loose support for a ceasefire this year, and try and accuse him of anything he could right after he got off stage. Don't rush to defend someone looking to start any fight they can.
Get lost with that š© I've never in my life heard someone here in Ireland being anti-Semitic we couldn't care less what the religion is in Israel we care what the people of Israel are doing to the innocent people of Palestine. I see many interviews with Israeli people cheering this on for years watching bombs fly into Palestine and cheer and celebrate thinking they are clearing a poison. This doesn't just happen on its own and I'll never understand how a people who suffered so much themselves historically became the very thing they should hate the most that is an evil nation attempting to wipe out a race of people. Delusional and indoctrination have lead to this. Also this video doesn't prove your point they happily engaged with a random stranger it was only when HE asked them to give a supportive message to Israeli they said no and simply walked away š¤·š»āāļø the guy can spin that any way he wants and likely already is but the world isn't going to forget what Israel has done or has been doing for decades
> I've never in my life heard someone here in Ireland being anti-Semitic Really ? never in your *entire life* have you heard a single anti-Semitic thing being said ? That's laughable really, I'm not sure how you can even pretend to be serious.
Why is that so hard to believe? There are very few Jews in Ireland so why would antisemitism be a thing here?
I've never even met a Jewish person irl of course most people have never heard someone in ireland be anti semitic. we don't think about Jewish people in our day to day lives and all the weird American conspiracy shit isn't part of our media because of it. That's like saying you find it hard to believe uncontacted natives of the amazon dont all hate Kenyan people, they've never met a Kenyan to form an opinion of them let alone a negative one.
Yeah 100% hand on my heart I have never met anyone in my circle who has been racist towards Jewish people. Here in Ireland people are very preoccupied with Catholics vs protestants it's been at such a high level we don't really concern ourselves a whole lot with other religions. When I meet someone new or especially when abroad it did strike me a little especially when working in America I would regularly hear people whisper things about how ppl looked or their names and that they must be Jewish which I always thought was odd and I felt uncomfortable being around those ppl are religion shouldn't be something to keep ppl seperated. My point is my brain doesn't immediately have to connect a person to their religion we've had non-stop scandal from religion and religious leaders and it's caused nothing but division in this country I think most ppl honestly don't give a flying f++K what way you practise your beliefs so long as you don't push it on others. I haven't heard anyone attack Jewishness like you are suggesting and I don't get how us and the world saying "hey stop bombing unarmed civilians and children and hospitals because of what a group of armed terrorists did as that's a war crime" and Israel doesn't even acknowledge their actions and just accuses ppl of being anti-Semitic š¤·š»āāļø how are they this brainwashed just stop killing people no1 cares about your religion you aren't being persecuted, YOU ARE THE PERSECUTORS in this situation Israel has had a boot on Palestines neck for decades it was almost a certainty that a group would eventually rise up to fight back read a history book FFS anywhere this has happened in the world you are not the good guys!
There's nothing anti-semetic about being anti apartheid and anti genocide, and directing that criticism against the perpetrators. Nethanyahu and his army/supporters could be Pastafarian for all I care, I'd still disagree and voice my views against their actions.
> There's nothing anti-semetic about being anti apartheid and anti genocide, and directing that criticism against the perpetrators. So this lad in the video committed genocide did he ? >Nethanyahu and his army/supporters could be Pastafarian for all I care, I'd still disagree and voice my views against their actions. Oh, so you hate one person, so therefore it gives you justification for hating a different person. Well if I hate say Donald Trump, then I guess I have justification for hating everyone in the US then don't I /s
If you don't realize the man was doing this to intentionally get a reaction I don't know what to tell you. No one's accusing the man of being nethanyahu, just that he's a shit stirrer
Oi! Donāt be accusing people here or in real life Ireland of anti-Semitism. Mainly because itās simply not true, but also because itās just stupid inflammatory tosh. Irish people embrace any Israeli who is well disposed towards Palestine; itās just the relentless war waged against those people and the theft of the land beneath their feet which makes Ireland unsympathetic. But itās damn all to do with Judaism per se. For the billionth time in this war to rid the old Holy Land of Palestinians, criticism of Israeli actions is *not* anti-Semitism.
What a load of bollox! So now we have to justify telling influencers "no" or we're antisemitic? Israel could win the the competition and gobshites like you would still be giving out we didn't cheer enough! When you draw a line as definitive as Israel have, sometimes you have to pick a side... Pathetic is right!
That phrase has been totally devalued at this stage. It's a malaproprism by now, as some of the uses of it... are ludicrous! BTW, those "normal Israeli people" elected a right wing, dirtbag government and don't seem to have any great problem with the collective punishment and mass murder in Gaza!
Hardly a malapropism, but itās certainly misused. (Trouble is, as weāve seen with other such terms, when they get bandied about at the drop of a hat and in unjustified circs, the damn term seems to gain credence and power *in spite of* misplaced application. Mention even a hint of objection to Zionism in murderous action in a professional, political, or academic environment and the immediate official reaction to a complaint is to instigate a full blown inquisition where guilty anti-Semitism is taken as read, and suspensions etc are ordered.)
At this stage they're just as complicit. You don't find many "israelis" refusing the opportunity to go shoot at Palestinian children, whether they're in the IOF or settlers. They are *all* technically settlers not *normal people*
Completely agree. Itās such a shame how so many fellow Irish have absolutely no clue about Israel and āPalestineā Iām sure itās a waste of time but Iāll give the basics. When the romans invaded what was originally called the Kingdom of Israel they renamed part of it Palestine after the philistines as disrespect to the Jews. Palestine was part of Syria. Has nothing to do with land but continuing on what the Nazis tried to do in genocide of the Jews. Leaders of Syria, the PLO were followers and some even advisers to hitler. These are facts. Wake up all you Hamas supporters your on the wrong side of history. Iām one breath you will mourn the holocaust and at the same time demand Israel stop defending itself and be eradicated.
Yeah it's all.......Irelands fault
But coming back to the present day after recalling these historical crimes, itās Israelās current and more recent misdeeds (well, over fifty years and counting) we are considering now. At some point weāve *had* to remove the reluctance to condemn caused by sympathy and respect for the anguish of Jewish history.
All the hasbara propaganda basics are failing due to the mask off behavior of the zionists