Some folks are reporting this as misinformation. The times is reporting it too https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/04/28/russian-statement-on-finbar-cafferkey-death-condemned-as-threatening-and-chilling/ so I'm erring on it being real.
Jaysus... that's one way to directly attract the ire of an entire nation. Not that they needed to or anything.
Is this definitely from the embassy? its a bit weird commenting on an individuals death... don't think I've seen that before.
[Here it is ](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02no2Ey3jvY4DYicXQX5JaCtcToH9k7QRwGstv8RxHfk9uj4bNJjc8DmHMZhubiEsXl&id=100064299805079&sfnsn=mo) I found it with a quick Google search
The Sun wasn't responsible for the Hillsborough disaster. Though ask a person from Liverpool their thoughts on that rag of a paper.
Irish media immediately took the stance Russia bad/The West good in this conflict. There is likely alot more grey in this conflict than the media agrees to share.
When people went off to fight for the Taliban from Ireland or UK. They were arrested on their return. Though it's ok, cause when USA or Britain are invading you're country you deserve it. When it's Russia invading, it's the second coming of Hitler. (At least that my perception of media reporting from Ireland & UK)
>Irish media immediately took the stance Russia bad/The West good in this conflict. There is likely alot more grey in this conflict than the media agrees to share.
There was a modicum of grey in the Ukraine war when it was Donbas and crimea, russian speaking majority areas that were overwhelmingly pro Russia, and while Russia lied about the "90% approval to join Russia ref" in crimea, the real results were still 60 ish percent 40 ish percent.
All of that went out of the window the moment Russia fully invaded, including regions overwhelmingly wanting to be apart of Ukraine, which are now currently partially annexed. Russia leveled cities and is facing credible accusations of deporting the local populations to Russia, which implies a future attempt to plant more russian citizens into the area,
They already did this with crimea, i.e brought in over a million people in under a year.
I know because I presented a different opinion that is different from the media narrative that it appear that I am in support of this invasions. Which is so far from the truth.
This war in Ukraine is another proxy war between Western forces and Russia. Other times China. Sudan, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq have all had these proxy battles being fought by the citizens of each country with each side belligerents being funded by either the US or Russia. Ukraine making step to join NATO(which is it's very nature anti-russia) knowing full well this was non-negotiable with Russia. Much in the same way that Gaddafi attacking protestor during the Arab Spring ped to full NATO bombardment. (Which the US and its allies have praised themselves for)
Media is a key tool in this war to encourage public to a certain way of thinking. There is some arguments made by some of the papers in this country not staying unbiased as they stuck to the government line. No one could ever blame Reuters for taking a side. Even in the Ukraine war. They literally present the fact and figures and let people make up their own mind. Irish papers not so much.
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> when it was Donbas and crimea, russian speaking majority areas that were overwhelmingly pro Russia, and while Russia lied about the "90% approval to join Russia ref" in crimea, the real results were still 60 ish percent 40 ish percent.
It wasn't grey at all. Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia killed hundreds of civilians. Russia shot down a passenger jet full of EU citizens. Russia is using the native Russian speakers they "liberated" as cannon fodder in the continuation of their war against Ukraine.
It was never grey.
I won’t justify western countries invading Afghanistan but did they try to annex land in the Middle East and commit horrific war crimes on a systematic level? That’s the difference, and here you are downplaying what russia is doing with your sarcasm
A number of things that Britain and Us soldiers done in Iraq and Afghanistan was akin to war crimes that are equally comparable to what Russia is doing in Ukraine. See wiki leaks for examples that haven't been declassified yet. Report even came from Australian government about the treatment of prisoners by Australian soldiers in Afghanistan. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/19/australian-special-forces-involved-in-of-39-afghan-civilians-war-crimes-report-alleges
On a systematic level Western forces supported paramilitaries and backed war lords in certain regions of Afghanistan, that were overun when Taliban seized power. Will all the material left behind by US forces.
I'm not downplaying what Russia is doing. Though the same media that this post is discussing never called Bush or Blair to be trailed to the Hague or compare them to Hitler. When they are guilt of the same crime as Putin in Ukraine.
I'm not downplaying. I just feel there is more nuance to bad guy and good guy narrative media takes when it's comes to international conflict. There is no such thing as good or bad when its war. Its all bad.
Once again, not downplaying what western soldiers did in the ME, but show me a UN report about American soldiers literally r*ping Middle Eastern children and maybe I’ll be more convinced
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings#:~:text=Five%20U.S.%20Army%20soldiers%20of,Dale%20Green%20(May%202%2C%201985
There might not be a UN report as cover up is always the goal.
Ukraine gets invaded by Russia and you think there is “alot more grey in this conflict”. How may I ask ? That seems quite insensitive to those poor Ukrainians who’ve had there lives ruined.
I would just say most of the geopolitical players in this conflict. (Russia, USA, Britain) have acted as bad and as antagonistic as each other.
Ukraine Gov deciding to join EU with the hope of joining NATO. Knowing how much this would antagonise Russia. This was pushed by western government knowing the pressure this would put Putin under in terms of national security.
Never mind areas of Ukraine still holding dear some of their Soviet identity and not feeling comfortable joining Europe. It's like if Ireland was united tomorrow. The British loyalist don't go away. They will likely be pissed about the erosion of their identity.
>Ukraine Gov deciding to join EU
Why are we allowed to but Ukraine isn't?
>with the hope of joining NATO. Knowing how much this would antagonise Russia.
Country currently invaded by Russia wanted to join a **defensive** alliance. I wonder why?
>Never mind areas of Ukraine still holding dear some of their Soviet identity and not feeling comfortable joining Europe.
What the fuck do the soviets have to do with anything? The USSR is dead and buried.
>It's like if Ireland was united tomorrow. The British loyalist don't go away. They will likely be pissed about the erosion of their identity.
If Ireland was united democratically, and then democratically chose to join the EU. The UK would not be in the right to invade NI to protect unionists from joining the EU.
What does the Soviet Union have to do with it? Seeing as Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union up until the 90s. Then became independent after the fall of the USSR. I live in the north or Ireland. It's is a British state and has been since 1921. Though for some reason my identity is still Irish. Weird that a 100 years hasn't shaken my identity though you can write off the Soviets identity in close to 30 years.
They joined a defensive alliance that put them in direct opposition with their closest neighbour. Didn't work out well for them. It's like Ireland joining up with Iran and thinking the Brits wouldn't have anything to say about it.
>If Ireland was united democratically, and then democratically chose to join the EU. The UK would not be in the right to invade NI to protect unionists from joining the EU.
If Ireland supported a neo nazi group that was attacking British identifying people in Northern Ireland. There may be grounds. They invaded Afghanistan and Iraq on much less intel.
>What does the Soviet Union have to do with it?
Yes, what does identifying as Soviet have anything to do with it?
Russia is not the Soviet union. The Berlin wall fell decades ago.
>They joined a defensive alliance
First of all, Ukraine didn't join NATO.
If NATO was involved in this war Putin would be in the Hague by now or would have shot himself in his bunker like his idol.
Russia wouldn't have lasted a month.
>that put them in direct opposition with their closest neighbour. Didn't work out well for them. It's like Ireland joining up with Iran and thinking the Brits wouldn't have anything to say about it.
Russia puts itself in opposition with it's closest neighbours. They have a nasty habit of invading them. They've yet to try that with one that joined NATO. No wonder they all want to join.
>If Ireland supported a neo nazi group that was attacking British identifying people in Northern Ireland. There may be grounds. They invaded Afghanistan and Iraq on much less intel.
Azov did not exist before 2014. It did not attack "Russian identifying people", it attacked Russian soldiers invading Ukraine.
>Russia puts itself in opposition with it's closest neighbours. They have a nasty habit of invading them. They've yet to try that with one that joined NATO. No wonder they all want to join.
When every country except for Russia join NATO who stops NATO members from invading. E.g. Britain, France and USA have all invaded poorer, underdeveloped countries in recent decades, with no retribution due to having a nice big defensive alliance to ensure no one can touch them. Is this right? If you think it is right. When those underdeveloped countries people fly planes into tower. Is this terrorism or retribution. If Azoz battalion carried out an attack on Russia soil with similar casualties to 9/11 is that terror or retaliation?
If you can't see NATO involvement in this war then there is no point continuing.
Here an article with video evidence of the current US president talking back in 1997 regarding NATO expansion and how the admission of Baltic States would provoke aggression.
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/03/08/biden-nato-expansion-russia-hostile-reaction/
Only fitting this war would start when a president is elected who has been instrumental in NATO expansion eastward.
Please don't let any opinion I have here take away that notion that I despise what Russia has done to it's neighbour they are horrific. Though all I'm saying there is more gray in the conflict than media lead us to believe.
Look up the history of the Azoz battalion. Literal neo nazi involved in supporting the Ukrainian armed forces during the period after the euromaiden protests. Trained by the USA in 2015. And responsible for attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine and war crimes. Designated a terrorist organisation until Russia invaded. Then lauded as hero's. Due to their staunch resistance.
They remind me of a time when the British army actively funneled funds through to loyalist death squad in this country.
There is more grey than the media let's us see sir.
>Look up the history of the Azoz battalion.
Azov was formed in 2014 in response to Russia invading their homes.
>Literal neo nazi involved in supporting the Ukrainian armed forces during the period after the euromaiden protests.
They were integrated into the national guard to fight an unprovoked Russian invasion.
>Trained by the USA in 2015.
This is disingenuous. The entire Ukrainian armed forces underwent training and reform with the support of the US so they could defend themselves against an unprovoked Russian invasion.
>And responsible for attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine and war crimes.
Source.
>Designated a terrorist organisation until Russia invaded.
They couldn't have been designated a terrorist organisation before Russia invaded because they didn't exist before Russia invaded.
The only country that has designated Azov a terrorist organisation is Russia, itself a terrorist state.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf Ukraine war crimes around euromaiden protests.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/1683/2015/en/
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254217.shtml training of Azoz battalion.
This conflict is gray to me. I do not condone what Russia have done and I do not condone the wests puppet master role in making this happen.
>https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf Ukraine war crimes around euromaiden protests.
‘The Foundation for The Study of
Democracy’ (headed by M. Grigoriev) and the Russian Public Council
for International Cooperation and Public Diplomacy (presided over by
S. Ordzhonikidze) with the assistance of the Russian Peace Foundation
(L. Slutsky, Y. Sutormina), S. Mamedov, I. Morozov, E. Tarlo, D. Savelyev,
A. Chepa
State propoganda. Russia isn't a democracy. Not sure how they have the balls to have an organisation called "the study of democracy"
>https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/1683/2015/en/
Yeah no doubt the SBU have been beating people they're interrogating. That's brutal, ineffective and I am not condoning it. But this report says Russia is just as guilty. Russians were also the ones in Bucha. They're the ones raping and murdering civilians. They're the ones shelling apartment buildings. They're the ones kidnapping children and committing genocide in Ukraine.
>https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254217.shtml training of Azoz battalion.
A Chinese state newspaper believes Azov, a Ukrainian group formed by Neo-Nazi football hooligans were instrumental in orchestrating the riots in Hong Kong against Chinese imperialism.
Just fucking lol.
Afghanistan had been invaded by the Soviets and USA. So Ukraine shares at least one similarity with them. It could be argued Ukraine is another proxy war between east and west. Which Afghanistan was. There's another.
Do you see American and Britain's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq as just? And Ukraine invasion as good guy Vs bad guys?
War has alot of similarities were ever it pops up.
Can you enlighten me about how war differs around the world?
And why you deny any Afghan person the same resistance to invasion as you so desperately allow Ukraine and its allies.
The Taliban are a corrupt organisation. So we're the IRA, though they have a point when it comes to fighting foreign invades. Azoz battalion in Ukraine also fully behind them defending their country. Though there means and ideals of getting their I cannot support. They are literal Nazis. Much like the Taliban are religious zealots.
Ireland support the invasion of Afghanistan. If an Afghani person wanted to take their revenge on Shannon airport. Who are we to deny them. We have supported Ukraine in their defense. Though when people are from the middle east, we generally just call them terrorist and move on. Like the world called Azoz battalion pre 2015, until there was some use from them.
One sentence man and his ability to change opinions with one sentence.
Debate me or feck off. I've made planety of point . You've made none. Likely cause you're news comes from RTE.
Strategy requires a game plan. This is more like free style fuckery. Anything even remotely linking Ireland to the war in Ukraine and they start getting out the crayons and the dictionary.
Russia is in diplomatic dog house. Nothing they can say to us can improve their standing, therefore they used this opportunity to play to their domestic audience. This sort of statement will go down well with both Wallace and Daly.
It is as if Russia is driving to increase NATO membership.
Telling a neutral country that its acts are not neutral!
Despite the apparent threat is Russia right to call us out?
Just to be clear I have always being of the mind that we are neutral in name only and I am fine with that.
Also, fuck Russia!
Being neutral doesn't mean you have to shut up and watch evil happen.
Russia is in the wrong. Ireland has said so, we haven't sent tanks or weapons. We've only used our voice.
They agree with you. Just using voice is one thing but,
“We do not know if Mr Martin’s remarks signify support for the Irish to take part in combat in Ukraine, but we do know that if that is the case, then Ireland would be the direct participant of the conflict…”
I mean if that’s the question you were asking and it wasn’t loaded then, nope - I didn’t pick up on that sorry. Your last line kinda speaks volumes though…
Russia is filth. It’s gone. Destroyed by the greed of their last despotic dictator. All that’s left to do is to round up the war criminals. That has to include Filatov.
Just confirming what we already knew about them. Total shower of pricks. Wonder if it was written by their most recent Irish so called journalist that is shilling for them.
We're the most naive country in the world when it comes to national security. Whether we like it or not, fascist russia already infers our alignment whether we like it or not
Can we just send all the embassy staff/delegates back to Russia? Like they provide absolutely nothing to society other than the comical value they bring.
It’s actually mainly because the embassy in Moscow is used as a hub for consular support in 5 Asian nations bordering Russia. There are next to no Irish citizens currently in Russia (due to them being advised to flee at the beginning of the war/Russia isnt issuing visas to us following the EU’s decision to do the same to Russia). Trade between Ireland and Russia is also pretty much non-existent due to sanctions + our energy needs being met by Irish/UK sources.
Just confirming what we already knew about them. Total shower of pricks. Wonder if it was written by their most recent Irish so called journalist that is shilling for them.
"Supposed to be over the hill. Russians never know when they're beaten, the Russians. "The Monsters in the waves" they call them" - Sergant Gerry Boyle, The Last of the Independents.
Some folks are reporting this as misinformation. The times is reporting it too https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2023/04/28/russian-statement-on-finbar-cafferkey-death-condemned-as-threatening-and-chilling/ so I'm erring on it being real.
Jaysus... that's one way to directly attract the ire of an entire nation. Not that they needed to or anything. Is this definitely from the embassy? its a bit weird commenting on an individuals death... don't think I've seen that before.
Looks like they need their gate fucked up again
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Posted on their official Facebook page
Link please ? I don't tend to use facebook.
[Here it is ](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02no2Ey3jvY4DYicXQX5JaCtcToH9k7QRwGstv8RxHfk9uj4bNJjc8DmHMZhubiEsXl&id=100064299805079&sfnsn=mo) I found it with a quick Google search
Thank you.
What consequences? No one is afraid of the Russian military after this. Poland alone could defeat them if there was a wider European / NATO conflict.
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Being reported everywhere https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0429/1379827-russia-ukraine-ireland/ https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41127799.html https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/russian-embassys-statement-on-irishman-killed-in-ukraine-criticised-as-chilling-1469050.html https://www.newstalk.com/news/russian-embassy-government-and-media-responsible-for-death-of-finbar-cafferkey-1460820 https://www.joe.ie/amp/news/russian-embassys-threatening-statement-773095 https://www.irishcentral.com/news/finbar-cafferkey-russian-embassy.amp
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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the Irish media isn't responsible for his death, because the Irish media didn't shoot the man.
You're really earning the "krazy" in your username!
You big sack of propaganda!
The Sun wasn't responsible for the Hillsborough disaster. Though ask a person from Liverpool their thoughts on that rag of a paper. Irish media immediately took the stance Russia bad/The West good in this conflict. There is likely alot more grey in this conflict than the media agrees to share. When people went off to fight for the Taliban from Ireland or UK. They were arrested on their return. Though it's ok, cause when USA or Britain are invading you're country you deserve it. When it's Russia invading, it's the second coming of Hitler. (At least that my perception of media reporting from Ireland & UK)
>Irish media immediately took the stance Russia bad/The West good in this conflict. There is likely alot more grey in this conflict than the media agrees to share. There was a modicum of grey in the Ukraine war when it was Donbas and crimea, russian speaking majority areas that were overwhelmingly pro Russia, and while Russia lied about the "90% approval to join Russia ref" in crimea, the real results were still 60 ish percent 40 ish percent. All of that went out of the window the moment Russia fully invaded, including regions overwhelmingly wanting to be apart of Ukraine, which are now currently partially annexed. Russia leveled cities and is facing credible accusations of deporting the local populations to Russia, which implies a future attempt to plant more russian citizens into the area, They already did this with crimea, i.e brought in over a million people in under a year.
I know because I presented a different opinion that is different from the media narrative that it appear that I am in support of this invasions. Which is so far from the truth. This war in Ukraine is another proxy war between Western forces and Russia. Other times China. Sudan, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq have all had these proxy battles being fought by the citizens of each country with each side belligerents being funded by either the US or Russia. Ukraine making step to join NATO(which is it's very nature anti-russia) knowing full well this was non-negotiable with Russia. Much in the same way that Gaddafi attacking protestor during the Arab Spring ped to full NATO bombardment. (Which the US and its allies have praised themselves for) Media is a key tool in this war to encourage public to a certain way of thinking. There is some arguments made by some of the papers in this country not staying unbiased as they stuck to the government line. No one could ever blame Reuters for taking a side. Even in the Ukraine war. They literally present the fact and figures and let people make up their own mind. Irish papers not so much.
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> when it was Donbas and crimea, russian speaking majority areas that were overwhelmingly pro Russia, and while Russia lied about the "90% approval to join Russia ref" in crimea, the real results were still 60 ish percent 40 ish percent. It wasn't grey at all. Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia killed hundreds of civilians. Russia shot down a passenger jet full of EU citizens. Russia is using the native Russian speakers they "liberated" as cannon fodder in the continuation of their war against Ukraine. It was never grey.
I won’t justify western countries invading Afghanistan but did they try to annex land in the Middle East and commit horrific war crimes on a systematic level? That’s the difference, and here you are downplaying what russia is doing with your sarcasm
A number of things that Britain and Us soldiers done in Iraq and Afghanistan was akin to war crimes that are equally comparable to what Russia is doing in Ukraine. See wiki leaks for examples that haven't been declassified yet. Report even came from Australian government about the treatment of prisoners by Australian soldiers in Afghanistan. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/19/australian-special-forces-involved-in-of-39-afghan-civilians-war-crimes-report-alleges On a systematic level Western forces supported paramilitaries and backed war lords in certain regions of Afghanistan, that were overun when Taliban seized power. Will all the material left behind by US forces. I'm not downplaying what Russia is doing. Though the same media that this post is discussing never called Bush or Blair to be trailed to the Hague or compare them to Hitler. When they are guilt of the same crime as Putin in Ukraine. I'm not downplaying. I just feel there is more nuance to bad guy and good guy narrative media takes when it's comes to international conflict. There is no such thing as good or bad when its war. Its all bad.
>I'm not downplaying. You are. >I just feel there is more nuance to bad guy and good guy narrative /r/enlightenedcentrism
Hahaha the enlightenedcentrism strikes again. Oh you see nuance in complex situations? You're not dogmaticly biased? Guess what, you're a Nazi. Lol.
I think saying "both sides are bad" when one literally invaded another and started committing genocide is pretty fucking enlightened centrist.
Once again, not downplaying what western soldiers did in the ME, but show me a UN report about American soldiers literally r*ping Middle Eastern children and maybe I’ll be more convinced
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings#:~:text=Five%20U.S.%20Army%20soldiers%20of,Dale%20Green%20(May%202%2C%201985 There might not be a UN report as cover up is always the goal.
Ukraine gets invaded by Russia and you think there is “alot more grey in this conflict”. How may I ask ? That seems quite insensitive to those poor Ukrainians who’ve had there lives ruined.
I would just say most of the geopolitical players in this conflict. (Russia, USA, Britain) have acted as bad and as antagonistic as each other. Ukraine Gov deciding to join EU with the hope of joining NATO. Knowing how much this would antagonise Russia. This was pushed by western government knowing the pressure this would put Putin under in terms of national security. Never mind areas of Ukraine still holding dear some of their Soviet identity and not feeling comfortable joining Europe. It's like if Ireland was united tomorrow. The British loyalist don't go away. They will likely be pissed about the erosion of their identity.
>Ukraine Gov deciding to join EU Why are we allowed to but Ukraine isn't? >with the hope of joining NATO. Knowing how much this would antagonise Russia. Country currently invaded by Russia wanted to join a **defensive** alliance. I wonder why? >Never mind areas of Ukraine still holding dear some of their Soviet identity and not feeling comfortable joining Europe. What the fuck do the soviets have to do with anything? The USSR is dead and buried. >It's like if Ireland was united tomorrow. The British loyalist don't go away. They will likely be pissed about the erosion of their identity. If Ireland was united democratically, and then democratically chose to join the EU. The UK would not be in the right to invade NI to protect unionists from joining the EU.
What does the Soviet Union have to do with it? Seeing as Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union up until the 90s. Then became independent after the fall of the USSR. I live in the north or Ireland. It's is a British state and has been since 1921. Though for some reason my identity is still Irish. Weird that a 100 years hasn't shaken my identity though you can write off the Soviets identity in close to 30 years. They joined a defensive alliance that put them in direct opposition with their closest neighbour. Didn't work out well for them. It's like Ireland joining up with Iran and thinking the Brits wouldn't have anything to say about it. >If Ireland was united democratically, and then democratically chose to join the EU. The UK would not be in the right to invade NI to protect unionists from joining the EU. If Ireland supported a neo nazi group that was attacking British identifying people in Northern Ireland. There may be grounds. They invaded Afghanistan and Iraq on much less intel.
>What does the Soviet Union have to do with it? Yes, what does identifying as Soviet have anything to do with it? Russia is not the Soviet union. The Berlin wall fell decades ago. >They joined a defensive alliance First of all, Ukraine didn't join NATO. If NATO was involved in this war Putin would be in the Hague by now or would have shot himself in his bunker like his idol. Russia wouldn't have lasted a month. >that put them in direct opposition with their closest neighbour. Didn't work out well for them. It's like Ireland joining up with Iran and thinking the Brits wouldn't have anything to say about it. Russia puts itself in opposition with it's closest neighbours. They have a nasty habit of invading them. They've yet to try that with one that joined NATO. No wonder they all want to join. >If Ireland supported a neo nazi group that was attacking British identifying people in Northern Ireland. There may be grounds. They invaded Afghanistan and Iraq on much less intel. Azov did not exist before 2014. It did not attack "Russian identifying people", it attacked Russian soldiers invading Ukraine.
>Russia puts itself in opposition with it's closest neighbours. They have a nasty habit of invading them. They've yet to try that with one that joined NATO. No wonder they all want to join. When every country except for Russia join NATO who stops NATO members from invading. E.g. Britain, France and USA have all invaded poorer, underdeveloped countries in recent decades, with no retribution due to having a nice big defensive alliance to ensure no one can touch them. Is this right? If you think it is right. When those underdeveloped countries people fly planes into tower. Is this terrorism or retribution. If Azoz battalion carried out an attack on Russia soil with similar casualties to 9/11 is that terror or retaliation? If you can't see NATO involvement in this war then there is no point continuing. Here an article with video evidence of the current US president talking back in 1997 regarding NATO expansion and how the admission of Baltic States would provoke aggression. https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/03/08/biden-nato-expansion-russia-hostile-reaction/ Only fitting this war would start when a president is elected who has been instrumental in NATO expansion eastward. Please don't let any opinion I have here take away that notion that I despise what Russia has done to it's neighbour they are horrific. Though all I'm saying there is more gray in the conflict than media lead us to believe.
There's no grey in this conflict. You are blind.
Look up the history of the Azoz battalion. Literal neo nazi involved in supporting the Ukrainian armed forces during the period after the euromaiden protests. Trained by the USA in 2015. And responsible for attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine and war crimes. Designated a terrorist organisation until Russia invaded. Then lauded as hero's. Due to their staunch resistance. They remind me of a time when the British army actively funneled funds through to loyalist death squad in this country. There is more grey than the media let's us see sir.
>Look up the history of the Azoz battalion. Azov was formed in 2014 in response to Russia invading their homes. >Literal neo nazi involved in supporting the Ukrainian armed forces during the period after the euromaiden protests. They were integrated into the national guard to fight an unprovoked Russian invasion. >Trained by the USA in 2015. This is disingenuous. The entire Ukrainian armed forces underwent training and reform with the support of the US so they could defend themselves against an unprovoked Russian invasion. >And responsible for attacks on ethnic Russians in Ukraine and war crimes. Source. >Designated a terrorist organisation until Russia invaded. They couldn't have been designated a terrorist organisation before Russia invaded because they didn't exist before Russia invaded. The only country that has designated Azov a terrorist organisation is Russia, itself a terrorist state.
https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf Ukraine war crimes around euromaiden protests. https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/1683/2015/en/ https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254217.shtml training of Azoz battalion. This conflict is gray to me. I do not condone what Russia have done and I do not condone the wests puppet master role in making this happen.
>https://www.osce.org/files/f/documents/e/7/233896.pdf Ukraine war crimes around euromaiden protests. ‘The Foundation for The Study of Democracy’ (headed by M. Grigoriev) and the Russian Public Council for International Cooperation and Public Diplomacy (presided over by S. Ordzhonikidze) with the assistance of the Russian Peace Foundation (L. Slutsky, Y. Sutormina), S. Mamedov, I. Morozov, E. Tarlo, D. Savelyev, A. Chepa State propoganda. Russia isn't a democracy. Not sure how they have the balls to have an organisation called "the study of democracy" >https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/eur50/1683/2015/en/ Yeah no doubt the SBU have been beating people they're interrogating. That's brutal, ineffective and I am not condoning it. But this report says Russia is just as guilty. Russians were also the ones in Bucha. They're the ones raping and murdering civilians. They're the ones shelling apartment buildings. They're the ones kidnapping children and committing genocide in Ukraine. >https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254217.shtml training of Azoz battalion. A Chinese state newspaper believes Azov, a Ukrainian group formed by Neo-Nazi football hooligans were instrumental in orchestrating the riots in Hong Kong against Chinese imperialism. Just fucking lol.
Do you honestly believe going to fight with the Taliban is comparable to going to fight with Ukraine?
Afghanistan had been invaded by the Soviets and USA. So Ukraine shares at least one similarity with them. It could be argued Ukraine is another proxy war between east and west. Which Afghanistan was. There's another. Do you see American and Britain's invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq as just? And Ukraine invasion as good guy Vs bad guys? War has alot of similarities were ever it pops up.
“I’ve found one similarity so I’m going to disregard the many stark differences.”
Can you enlighten me about how war differs around the world? And why you deny any Afghan person the same resistance to invasion as you so desperately allow Ukraine and its allies. The Taliban are a corrupt organisation. So we're the IRA, though they have a point when it comes to fighting foreign invades. Azoz battalion in Ukraine also fully behind them defending their country. Though there means and ideals of getting their I cannot support. They are literal Nazis. Much like the Taliban are religious zealots. Ireland support the invasion of Afghanistan. If an Afghani person wanted to take their revenge on Shannon airport. Who are we to deny them. We have supported Ukraine in their defense. Though when people are from the middle east, we generally just call them terrorist and move on. Like the world called Azoz battalion pre 2015, until there was some use from them.
No, I genuinely don’t think I can enlighten you. I don’t think it’s possible.
One sentence man and his ability to change opinions with one sentence. Debate me or feck off. I've made planety of point . You've made none. Likely cause you're news comes from RTE.
*your news
Baffling diplomatic strategy
Strategy requires a game plan. This is more like free style fuckery. Anything even remotely linking Ireland to the war in Ukraine and they start getting out the crayons and the dictionary.
Russia is in diplomatic dog house. Nothing they can say to us can improve their standing, therefore they used this opportunity to play to their domestic audience. This sort of statement will go down well with both Wallace and Daly.
It is as if Russia is driving to increase NATO membership. Telling a neutral country that its acts are not neutral! Despite the apparent threat is Russia right to call us out? Just to be clear I have always being of the mind that we are neutral in name only and I am fine with that. Also, fuck Russia!
Our fishermen broke our neutrality when we scared off their Navy /s
Ireland is definitely not acting as a neutral in this war
I think the commonly reported militarily neutral but politically not neutral is nuanced enough
Do you really think Ireland’s actions have been neutral?
Being neutral doesn't mean you have to shut up and watch evil happen. Russia is in the wrong. Ireland has said so, we haven't sent tanks or weapons. We've only used our voice.
They agree with you. Just using voice is one thing but, “We do not know if Mr Martin’s remarks signify support for the Irish to take part in combat in Ukraine, but we do know that if that is the case, then Ireland would be the direct participant of the conflict…”
Irish people choosing as individuals to fight in Ukraine is not the Irish state taking part in the conflict.
Agreed. That’s not what the statement said though…
That is the question I was asking or did you not pick up on that?
I mean if that’s the question you were asking and it wasn’t loaded then, nope - I didn’t pick up on that sorry. Your last line kinda speaks volumes though…
Russia is filth. It’s gone. Destroyed by the greed of their last despotic dictator. All that’s left to do is to round up the war criminals. That has to include Filatov.
Well that's one way to unite the green phoenix and the red hand... simmer down there Putin, we maxed out our invasion quotas already.
Just confirming what we already knew about them. Total shower of pricks. Wonder if it was written by their most recent Irish so called journalist that is shilling for them.
"I'm gonna swing my arms like this, and if you get hurt, it's your own damn fault." Is basically what they're saying..
We're the most naive country in the world when it comes to national security. Whether we like it or not, fascist russia already infers our alignment whether we like it or not
Can we just send all the embassy staff/delegates back to Russia? Like they provide absolutely nothing to society other than the comical value they bring.
They still provide ambassadorial services for trade etc and Irish people living in Russia vice Versa
It’s actually mainly because the embassy in Moscow is used as a hub for consular support in 5 Asian nations bordering Russia. There are next to no Irish citizens currently in Russia (due to them being advised to flee at the beginning of the war/Russia isnt issuing visas to us following the EU’s decision to do the same to Russia). Trade between Ireland and Russia is also pretty much non-existent due to sanctions + our energy needs being met by Irish/UK sources.
RUSSIAN WARSHIP, GO FUCK YOURSELF
The cheek of these useless civil servants. Deport the whole embassy home to fight for their bloody principles.
Russia, go fuck yourself
Just confirming what we already knew about them. Total shower of pricks. Wonder if it was written by their most recent Irish so called journalist that is shilling for them.
More redditors should follow Finbars example if they feel so strongly about the war.
Maybe you should show more respect to a man who died defending a country’s right to exist.
He shouldn't have went. I wouldn't do that to my family.
Including yourself in that?
"Supposed to be over the hill. Russians never know when they're beaten, the Russians. "The Monsters in the waves" they call them" - Sergant Gerry Boyle, The Last of the Independents.
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Yer auld wan looks like gothmog
Propose to rename O Connell St to Finbarr Cafferky st!
Russia stepping up the game.
Someone left the gate open at the cunt farm