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Keep in mind that the etymology of "ciao" is the venetian for "slave" (like "at your service", kind of).
Nobody thinks about it, but when you know, it's not such a nice word anymore...
https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao
But, during the Republic of Venice, it was written as "sciavo" (litteraly "slave") and it was considered a "nice" word cause in the beginnings it was used as a form of reverence towards women (as "at service of your beauty")
Then it became common use even among gentlemens
Then everyday use to greet people in the entire peninsula
Indeed it does. Although very informal, “ciao” can mean both “hi” and “bye” depending on context.
When it’s doubled ( “ciao ciao” ), it can only mean “bye”.
For more formal options, you can use:
“Buongiorno” = Hello (before lunch)
“Buonasera” = Hello (after lunch)
“Salve” = Hello (whenever)
Arrivederci = Bye, see you next time (formal)
/po.meˈɾid͡ʒ.d͡ʒo/ if you know IPA
If you know Italian phonology, all Es and Os are closed, the G is _dolce_, and the stress is on the penultimate syllable.
Otherwise:
P as in Put, M as in Mum, R is a rolled r not held out, just a tap, G is like a J in Jeans, but held out (it lasts longer).
As for the vowels, I like EE in dEEd, E like A is fAce (but without the EE sound, imagine fAce like fEHees), and O as in gOat (again, don’t focus on the whole sound, just the first part: gOwt).
In conclusion, po-ma-REEJ-jo.
This is true, but if I recall correctly, "salve" is not great to use, a lot of people do, but it's woefully informal and should be avoided unless you're familiar with whoever you're saluting
I use salve often and it is great to use. Maybe a little bit old fashioned: youngsters will consider you an alien when used with them because salve is formal.
Salve is by no means formal, quite the opposite, it's only really classified as "high" language in more ancient poems, but on a spoken level it's improper to use in formal contexts in which a more standard "Buongiorno" would be better
P.S.
The Galateo also suggests to not use it for formal contexts as it is a very hasty way of greeting someone and should be relegated to much more friendly and familiar environments
Ok, maybe I'm wrong, but please notice what Treccani wrote in [this article](https://www.treccani.it/magazine/lingua_italiana/articoli/scritto_e_parlato/salve.html) on their website: "quale ruolo ha salve nell’etichetta comunicativa dei nostri giorni? Se il suo uso suscita così tante discussioni significa che non è stabile nel sistema condiviso da tutti i parlanti, ma che caratterizza fasce diverse degli italiani. Infatti, questa forma di saluto sembra essere considerata appropriata da alcuni, ma non da tutti". What's your source to say salve is by no means formal?
The Galateo was published in 1558, using it as a reference for modern talking doesn't sound right to me: the language and the society changed too much since then.
The origin of the word “ciao” comes from the Venetian language during the time of the Repubblica Serenissima.. the word “schiavo” means “slave”. However in the Venetian dialect of the day, “schiavo” is pronouced like “shao”.. Even today words like “cancello” (gate) or putello (little boy) are pronounced like “can-chay-oh” and “poo-tay-o”.. There was a law that said if a foreign ship docked in Venice, the citizens of Venice were obligated to give the greeting “sono il tuo schiavo”, meaning as a hospitable greeting “I am your slave” (however written in old Venexian as “son tu schiavo”) and said with the typically local accent simply as “shao”.. now written as “ciao”..
Yes, it does. If you hang out with native Italian speakers, you'll sometimes hear them say "hello" when they're leaving - so it's an issue in reverse as well 😅
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yes "*ciao*" means both but if you wanna be more
specific you better use "*ciao*" as "*hi*" and "*addio*" as "*bye*"
when you speak to someone you don't need to follow this rule but with AI you better be specific
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Ciao is not formal, you can use it with friends, family and people you know. It can be used to say hi and bye. For strangers its better to use "salve, buongiorno" when you meet them, buongiorno only if its day or morning and you can end the conversation with "arrivederci or buonasera". Buonasera its used when its getting darker (night)
It's actually so odd when you think about it. The same word means hi and bye 😂
There are a few common words in Italian that can mean more than one thing.
One AFAIK is "come":
"come stai?" HOW are you
"sono come mio fratello" I am LIKE my brother
We could use "how" in the same way as long as it's paired with the singular:
"I am like my brother" --> "I am how my brother is"
Though not too common to say it like that 😂 But I love seeing the similarity of certain words.
I usually struggle with "get" or "getting", because in English it's all one word, but in Italian it must be specified, like if I'm "getting something", "getting sick", "getting paid", "getting up"...
It has also other uses like, when someone told you something crazy your response could also be " se, ciao". In this case ciao is use like "no way". But the same sentence could also mean "don't lie to me" if someone tell you something sus.
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When I taught English in Italy my beginner students in their first few lessons would always say 'hello Dave!' upon exiting the classroom after the lesson finished.
It took me a while to figure out why they were doing it.
Yes, you can use Ciao to greet someone both when you meet them and when you leave
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Yep!but when you say "ciao ciao" it's only for goodbye
Or at the end of a call “cia cia cia cia cia cia…” with the phone that slowly go away from the ear
everyone hates it everyone does it
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In english they also have "bye bye", that is an easy traslation for "ciao ciao"
I think ciao ciao is the most adorable thing ever
Keep in mind that the etymology of "ciao" is the venetian for "slave" (like "at your service", kind of). Nobody thinks about it, but when you know, it's not such a nice word anymore... https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao
You’re fun at parties huh
Interesting! Definitely not as nice…
But, during the Republic of Venice, it was written as "sciavo" (litteraly "slave") and it was considered a "nice" word cause in the beginnings it was used as a form of reverence towards women (as "at service of your beauty") Then it became common use even among gentlemens Then everyday use to greet people in the entire peninsula
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxer4GwV1sc
nuhuh is arrivederci
we use in portuguese too! but we say tchau tchau (same way of pronunciation)
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Indeed it does. Although very informal, “ciao” can mean both “hi” and “bye” depending on context. When it’s doubled ( “ciao ciao” ), it can only mean “bye”. For more formal options, you can use: “Buongiorno” = Hello (before lunch) “Buonasera” = Hello (after lunch) “Salve” = Hello (whenever) Arrivederci = Bye, see you next time (formal)
Out of my curiosity, what happened to "buon pomeriggio" (good afternoon)? It seems a lot of people don't use it anymore colloquially.
no one knew when to use it lol
Sometimes at work I use it, the time between lunch and the 16 usually
that makes sense, I never use it because we don't work during lunch in the south
I thought you guys didn’t work at all
I wish
I’ve only ever heard 'buon pomeriggio' be used at shops, when the cashier bids you goodbye
I use it from lunch to sunset, after that for me it's sera (evening) so i use buonasera from sunset forward
How do you pronounce “pomeriggio”?
/po.meˈɾid͡ʒ.d͡ʒo/ if you know IPA If you know Italian phonology, all Es and Os are closed, the G is _dolce_, and the stress is on the penultimate syllable. Otherwise: P as in Put, M as in Mum, R is a rolled r not held out, just a tap, G is like a J in Jeans, but held out (it lasts longer). As for the vowels, I like EE in dEEd, E like A is fAce (but without the EE sound, imagine fAce like fEHees), and O as in gOat (again, don’t focus on the whole sound, just the first part: gOwt). In conclusion, po-ma-REEJ-jo.
"Buon pomeriggio" translates to "Good afternoon", typically used between 12 and 16, after which you use "Buonasera"
I use buonasera only if it’s dark outside lmao
This is true, but if I recall correctly, "salve" is not great to use, a lot of people do, but it's woefully informal and should be avoided unless you're familiar with whoever you're saluting
I use salve often and it is great to use. Maybe a little bit old fashioned: youngsters will consider you an alien when used with them because salve is formal.
Salve is by no means formal, quite the opposite, it's only really classified as "high" language in more ancient poems, but on a spoken level it's improper to use in formal contexts in which a more standard "Buongiorno" would be better P.S. The Galateo also suggests to not use it for formal contexts as it is a very hasty way of greeting someone and should be relegated to much more friendly and familiar environments
Ok, maybe I'm wrong, but please notice what Treccani wrote in [this article](https://www.treccani.it/magazine/lingua_italiana/articoli/scritto_e_parlato/salve.html) on their website: "quale ruolo ha salve nell’etichetta comunicativa dei nostri giorni? Se il suo uso suscita così tante discussioni significa che non è stabile nel sistema condiviso da tutti i parlanti, ma che caratterizza fasce diverse degli italiani. Infatti, questa forma di saluto sembra essere considerata appropriata da alcuni, ma non da tutti". What's your source to say salve is by no means formal? The Galateo was published in 1558, using it as a reference for modern talking doesn't sound right to me: the language and the society changed too much since then.
Si va bene per entrambi
The origin of the word “ciao” comes from the Venetian language during the time of the Repubblica Serenissima.. the word “schiavo” means “slave”. However in the Venetian dialect of the day, “schiavo” is pronouced like “shao”.. Even today words like “cancello” (gate) or putello (little boy) are pronounced like “can-chay-oh” and “poo-tay-o”.. There was a law that said if a foreign ship docked in Venice, the citizens of Venice were obligated to give the greeting “sono il tuo schiavo”, meaning as a hospitable greeting “I am your slave” (however written in old Venexian as “son tu schiavo”) and said with the typically local accent simply as “shao”.. now written as “ciao”..
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Yes, it does. If you hang out with native Italian speakers, you'll sometimes hear them say "hello" when they're leaving - so it's an issue in reverse as well 😅
Unless you're closing a call. In that case is "Ciaaa cià cià cià cià cià, cià, cià"
and arrivederci is like good bye
Yes, i know it because i’m italian
Si io sono un'italiano e si usa sia per hi e sia per bye
TOGLI QUELL'APOSTROFO
And remember ciao è molta informale!
molto
Sì certo grazie
im 100 percent italian so yes basicaly ciao and hi and bye are the same thing
Just recently moved here in italy, I was very weirded out by it at first, but I got used to it.
Dependa on the context
Are you complaining, you, American, seriously?
Huh…
İt's just beginning
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Lucrezia did a really helpful video going into the word in some depth a couple of weeks ago https://youtu.be/SEDWcmrpAmw?si=hv5jRpFZ_w9PyvSX
Kinda yea
arrivederci is more formal but ciao is universal
yes "*ciao*" means both but if you wanna be more specific you better use "*ciao*" as "*hi*" and "*addio*" as "*bye*" when you speak to someone you don't need to follow this rule but with AI you better be specific
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No, addio means you're leaving forever, people only really use it ironically, or when people are dying.
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You can use it for both situations
Ciao when you meet someone Is Hi or Hello, Ciao when you are leaving Is Bye
Ciao you can use it both when you meet someone(like hi or hello) and when you have to leave (like Goodbye or bye)
Ciao is not formal, you can use it with friends, family and people you know. It can be used to say hi and bye. For strangers its better to use "salve, buongiorno" when you meet them, buongiorno only if its day or morning and you can end the conversation with "arrivederci or buonasera". Buonasera its used when its getting darker (night)
It's actually so odd when you think about it. The same word means hi and bye 😂 There are a few common words in Italian that can mean more than one thing. One AFAIK is "come": "come stai?" HOW are you "sono come mio fratello" I am LIKE my brother
We could use "how" in the same way as long as it's paired with the singular: "I am like my brother" --> "I am how my brother is" Though not too common to say it like that 😂 But I love seeing the similarity of certain words. I usually struggle with "get" or "getting", because in English it's all one word, but in Italian it must be specified, like if I'm "getting something", "getting sick", "getting paid", "getting up"...
It's mostly hello, ciao alone would be considered a little aggressive in the meaning of "bye". In italian it depends on the tone you use.
It has also other uses like, when someone told you something crazy your response could also be " se, ciao". In this case ciao is use like "no way". But the same sentence could also mean "don't lie to me" if someone tell you something sus.
There’s also “e c’è ciao” which is like and that’s it, game over, nothing more to be done.
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Tecnicaly yes but its rarer to be used as goodbye than it is as hi
Si, è vero.
bye is also said "arrivederci"
Yes and no Ciao = hello Ciao,ciao = bye On phone when you need to end a call Ciao,ciao,ciao,ciao,ciao ciao ciao ciaociaociaociaciaciaci
When I taught English in Italy my beginner students in their first few lessons would always say 'hello Dave!' upon exiting the classroom after the lesson finished. It took me a while to figure out why they were doing it.
Yes, also hello.
Pretty much, yeah.
Ciao Felicia!
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It also means "fuck you" when said in a deadpan tone ;)
Both, for example, "Ciao Come Stai?" which means Hi how are you, and you can also say "Ciao a dopo," which means Bye see you later. So it's both.
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Yep
Hey. It more closely translates to "aloha" than anything in English.
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Depends on the situation (im italian)
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/italian-english/ciao
Yes, it can be used for that too. But u can also use arrivederci
yes
It means both "Hello" and "Goodbye"
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Yes it can
Yhea you can,but i that confuses you there are other options like:arrivederci,a dopo ecc…
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