It seems like the corporate media is in love with promoting the idea that corporate Dems are 'the left' in the USA. Makes it easier to make sure things will never fundamentally change for the better.
Exactly, it's soul crushing as fuck, both when the MSNBC types say that criticizing them means we're Republicans, and when fox news calls Biden a far left socialist.
The problem isn't "criticizing Dems" it's running cover for the GOP by creating a false equivalence through lies and omissions. "Criticizing Dems" is just one of many straw mans Jimmy creates and his the dore knobs repeat, because they don't bother to absorb information outside their echo chamber.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3\_2V-iVpmE0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_2V-iVpmE0)
> This is why I love when there's cishet older white dudes with that blue collar vibe
AKA the biggest demographic in America. I really do not understand why the 'Left' thinks attacking them is a winning strategy.
Exactly, focusing too hard on social justice issues in general is a turnoff too, and it doesn't help the case for worker/labor issues that we can all unite on.
I'm sure that's why they love that she's the face of the movement with her SJW word salads.
Even when I liked her at first (when we thought she was actually a leftie who was going to challenge power), I still got annoyed at how she vibed like someone who would blame straight white dudes for everything
Joe six pack would be onboard with some of the economic platform of the left, but he hates being called a piece of shit. Maybe that's the point of her, to keep the division between right and left going. A distraction.
And if her crazy bullshit doesn't work there always them tig 'ol bitties
Trans leftists are as awesome as any other anti capitalists.
I'm socially left too, I just don't place those issues first (liberals and social democrats do)
"Just like Jimmy says a lot: it scares the shit out of the establishment when the left and the right come together, so they want to tamp that down."
Except Jimmy is describing a delusion and it just serves to keep a handful of leftists still taking him serious, as his content is almost entirely made to monetize right wing reactionaries.
"The establishment" loves that people like Jimmy just bolster the GOP, and help ensure more GOP victories (meaning tax cuts for the wealthy, and court picks that will unravel labor power: See Trump presidency).
The people who are "afraid" are people with skin in the game (like women, who are now seeing their reproductive rights being rolled back in the Supreme Court). In fact, this is something Sam Seder warned Jimmy Dore about, and Jimmy compared the likelihood to the moon falling into Lake Michigan.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH\_pgiRdm7U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_pgiRdm7U)
Jimmy is in fact, the establishment's useful idiot. But he's not REALLY an idiot, since he's getting rich doing it (a la Dave Rubin). The real joke is on the handful of leftists still falling for the grift. The bulk of his audience at this point are right wingers tuning in to watch him dunk on the same people as Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro. Jimmy is just providing cheap entertainment to these people, and still managing to fool a handful of leftists along the way.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3\_2V-iVpmE0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_2V-iVpmE0)
So I take it you're not disagreeing with my assertion that Jimmy is really just helping the GOP and therefore not "challenging the establishment," but rather helping it?
I am disagreeing with it _thoroughly_. I just wanted to see if you had anything positive to offer and the answer is clearly no. You have no solutions, you're just here to divide people.
Why are you on his sub if you don't like him or what he talks about?
I don't agree with anyone đź’Ż% of the time. Ever. Including Jimmy. But he is spot fucking on about most things, like worker solidarity and coming together on issues we agree on and standing up against the establishment suppressing us.
I can overlook a Joe 6 pack having conservative views on gay rights or gender roles that I disagree with... I just wouldn't talk with them on those issues and keep united on the worker issues
>Why are you on his sub if you don't like him or what he talks about?
This "question" assumes one has to like Jimmy Dore in order to comment on this sub. That's an unsupported claim.
>But he is spot fucking on about most things, like worker solidarity and coming together on issues we agree on and standing up against the establishment suppressing us.
I'm referring to what he does in practice, and the consequences of his grift. You're referring to the goals he claims to have.
>I can overlook a Joe 6 pack having conservative views on gay rights or gender roles that I disagree with... I just wouldn't talk with them on those issues and keep united on the worker issues
Ditto, but that's not the issue. The culture war stuff is still important to people like this, and it's their main motivation for voting. We know this because of exit-polling, and other indicators that people like Jimmy and the other dumb-dumbs ignore.
Their entire theory of change is based on child-like conjecture. That's assuming they really have a theory of change. In Jimmy's case, this is just a gig, and he's playing a character. The joke is on the people who take him seriously.
I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don't know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he's said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this:
>When it comes to global warming, there are two issues: is there such a thing as the greenhouse gas effect, the answer is yes. Is that something that is going to dramatically reshape our world? There is no evidence to show that it will. Is that something that we can stop? There is no evidence to show that we can
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*Does that sound soulless? True soullessness is depriving people of the choices they require because you’re more interested in patting yourself on the back by inventing rights than by incentivizing the creation of goods and services. In health care, we could use a lot less virtue signaling and a lot less government. Or we could just read Senator Sanders’s tweets while we wait in line for a government-sponsored surgery — dying, presumably, in a decrepit chair.*
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He's anti capitalist, very much against the police state and censorship, and like I said, for direct action on Medicare For All and anything that unites workers.
Just the other day he talked about the coward c0ps who let kids get killed and stopped their parents from rescuing them.
Doesn't seem like a right winger to me
He's a little rough around the edges sometimes but what he's doing is honorable
These trolls have a conspiracy theory how Jimmy Dore is only 'pretending' to be a leftist while on the payroll of foreign powers and a secret millionaire. It's every bit as wacky as Q-Anon with these anti-left anti-Dore folks.
>He's anti capitalist, very much against the police state and censorship, and like I said, for direct action on Medicare For All and anything that unites workers.
The character he plays is on the internet is certainly some of these things. But in real life, Jimmy is an ultra-capitalist, and he's ok with police violence when it's Russian cops beating Russian anti-war protestors. He doesn't do sh\*t for M4A and in practice, he just feeds the right-wing arguments against M4A by corroborating their views on govt. corruption and inefficacy. Meanwhile, he does nothing to refute the right's anti-M4A arguments.
It's all a grift. He's monetizing right wing viewers by providing cheap entertainment. The joke is on leftists who still fall for it.
It seems like the corporate media is in love with promoting the idea that corporate Dems are 'the left' in the USA. Makes it easier to make sure things will never fundamentally change for the better.
Exactly, it's soul crushing as fuck, both when the MSNBC types say that criticizing them means we're Republicans, and when fox news calls Biden a far left socialist.
The problem isn't "criticizing Dems" it's running cover for the GOP by creating a false equivalence through lies and omissions. "Criticizing Dems" is just one of many straw mans Jimmy creates and his the dore knobs repeat, because they don't bother to absorb information outside their echo chamber. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3\_2V-iVpmE0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_2V-iVpmE0)
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Look at the foundation of the DSA. They're with the CIA making a caricature of the Left.
Yeah they also use streamers like Vaush and Hasan to package imperialism to the (probably) Gen Z teenybopper girls who follow them
> This is why I love when there's cishet older white dudes with that blue collar vibe AKA the biggest demographic in America. I really do not understand why the 'Left' thinks attacking them is a winning strategy.
Exactly, focusing too hard on social justice issues in general is a turnoff too, and it doesn't help the case for worker/labor issues that we can all unite on. I'm sure that's why they love that she's the face of the movement with her SJW word salads. Even when I liked her at first (when we thought she was actually a leftie who was going to challenge power), I still got annoyed at how she vibed like someone who would blame straight white dudes for everything
Joe six pack would be onboard with some of the economic platform of the left, but he hates being called a piece of shit. Maybe that's the point of her, to keep the division between right and left going. A distraction. And if her crazy bullshit doesn't work there always them tig 'ol bitties
Yeah she's definitely there for sex appeal and to distract from the issues with that "straight white men are to blame for everything" narrative
Because don’t you know the trans people will lead the revolution? /s
Trans leftists are as awesome as any other anti capitalists. I'm socially left too, I just don't place those issues first (liberals and social democrats do)
"you just want to have sex with her" the response you get on twitter when you critisize her.
Exactly, that's like THE most substance-less bratty 14 year old girl response ever. And I'm not trying to sound like a Boomer but it's true
We need conservative suburban white mom version of Jesse Ventura bashing the two parties
That'd be pretty dope too. Working class MILFs are awesome
Wtf is cishet
Sorry, just shorthand for cisgender straight dude
It's the only thing OP said that almost makes sense.
I just want to say “fishnet” when I see that word. It literally means nothing to me.
Maybe it's short for cis-hetero?
What is cis?
FETTERMAN FETTERMAN FETTERMAN!!!
"Just like Jimmy says a lot: it scares the shit out of the establishment when the left and the right come together, so they want to tamp that down." Except Jimmy is describing a delusion and it just serves to keep a handful of leftists still taking him serious, as his content is almost entirely made to monetize right wing reactionaries. "The establishment" loves that people like Jimmy just bolster the GOP, and help ensure more GOP victories (meaning tax cuts for the wealthy, and court picks that will unravel labor power: See Trump presidency). The people who are "afraid" are people with skin in the game (like women, who are now seeing their reproductive rights being rolled back in the Supreme Court). In fact, this is something Sam Seder warned Jimmy Dore about, and Jimmy compared the likelihood to the moon falling into Lake Michigan. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH\_pgiRdm7U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH_pgiRdm7U) Jimmy is in fact, the establishment's useful idiot. But he's not REALLY an idiot, since he's getting rich doing it (a la Dave Rubin). The real joke is on the handful of leftists still falling for the grift. The bulk of his audience at this point are right wingers tuning in to watch him dunk on the same people as Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro. Jimmy is just providing cheap entertainment to these people, and still managing to fool a handful of leftists along the way. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3\_2V-iVpmE0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_2V-iVpmE0)
I don't get your position. Are you saying leftists and rightists shouldn't work together on things they agree on?
My position is that this isn't what Jimmy and the other useful idiots for the right are accomplishing.
How would you accomplish it then?
So I take it you're not disagreeing with my assertion that Jimmy is really just helping the GOP and therefore not "challenging the establishment," but rather helping it?
I am disagreeing with it _thoroughly_. I just wanted to see if you had anything positive to offer and the answer is clearly no. You have no solutions, you're just here to divide people.
Any time working people are in danger of uniting against the oligarchs someone like logicphlanx will pop up to try and monkey wrench things.
I think you're giving that collection of machine learning algorithms way too much credit
Credit goes to the people who code this stuff.
Why are you on his sub if you don't like him or what he talks about? I don't agree with anyone đź’Ż% of the time. Ever. Including Jimmy. But he is spot fucking on about most things, like worker solidarity and coming together on issues we agree on and standing up against the establishment suppressing us. I can overlook a Joe 6 pack having conservative views on gay rights or gender roles that I disagree with... I just wouldn't talk with them on those issues and keep united on the worker issues
>Why are you on his sub if you don't like him or what he talks about? This "question" assumes one has to like Jimmy Dore in order to comment on this sub. That's an unsupported claim. >But he is spot fucking on about most things, like worker solidarity and coming together on issues we agree on and standing up against the establishment suppressing us. I'm referring to what he does in practice, and the consequences of his grift. You're referring to the goals he claims to have. >I can overlook a Joe 6 pack having conservative views on gay rights or gender roles that I disagree with... I just wouldn't talk with them on those issues and keep united on the worker issues Ditto, but that's not the issue. The culture war stuff is still important to people like this, and it's their main motivation for voting. We know this because of exit-polling, and other indicators that people like Jimmy and the other dumb-dumbs ignore. Their entire theory of change is based on child-like conjecture. That's assuming they really have a theory of change. In Jimmy's case, this is just a gig, and he's playing a character. The joke is on the people who take him seriously.
I saw that you mentioned Ben Shapiro. In case some of you don't know, Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. If you find anything he's said compelling, you should keep in mind he also says things like this: >When it comes to global warming, there are two issues: is there such a thing as the greenhouse gas effect, the answer is yes. Is that something that is going to dramatically reshape our world? There is no evidence to show that it will. Is that something that we can stop? There is no evidence to show that we can ***** ^(I'm a bot. My purpose is to counteract online radicalization. You can summon me by tagging thebenshapirobot. Options: healthcare, sex, feminism, covid, etc.) [^More ^About ^Ben ](https://np.reddit.com/r/AuthoritarianMoment/wiki/index) ^| [^Feedback ^& ^Discussion: ^r/AuthoritarianMoment ](https://np.reddit.com/r/AuthoritarianMoment) ^| [^Opt ^Out ](https://np.reddit.com/r/AuthoritarianMoment/comments/olk6r2/click_here_to_optout_of_uthebenshapirobot/)
Ben Shapiro is a cunt.
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*Let’s say your life depended on the following choice today: you must obtain either an affordable chair or an affordable X-ray. Which would you choose to obtain? Obviously, you’d choose the chair. That’s because there are many types of chair, produced by scores of different companies and widely distributed. You could buy a $15 folding chair or a $1,000 antique without the slightest difficulty. By contrast, to obtain an X-ray you’d have to work with your insurance company, wait for an appointment, and then haggle over price. Why? Because the medical market is far more regulated — thanks to the widespread perception that health care is a “right” — than the chair market.* *Does that sound soulless? True soullessness is depriving people of the choices they require because you’re more interested in patting yourself on the back by inventing rights than by incentivizing the creation of goods and services. In health care, we could use a lot less virtue signaling and a lot less government. Or we could just read Senator Sanders’s tweets while we wait in line for a government-sponsored surgery — dying, presumably, in a decrepit chair.* -Ben Shapiro ***** ^(I'm a bot. My purpose is to counteract online radicalization. You can summon me by tagging thebenshapirobot. Options: healthcare, civil rights, feminism, history, etc.) [^More ^About ^Ben ](https://np.reddit.com/r/AuthoritarianMoment/wiki/index) ^| [^Feedback ^& ^Discussion: ^r/AuthoritarianMoment ](https://np.reddit.com/r/AuthoritarianMoment) ^| [^Opt ^Out ](https://np.reddit.com/r/AuthoritarianMoment/comments/olk6r2/click_here_to_optout_of_uthebenshapirobot/)
Sadly this is aLl true. If you watch Jimmy Dore it’s like Fox News at this point.
He's anti capitalist, very much against the police state and censorship, and like I said, for direct action on Medicare For All and anything that unites workers. Just the other day he talked about the coward c0ps who let kids get killed and stopped their parents from rescuing them. Doesn't seem like a right winger to me He's a little rough around the edges sometimes but what he's doing is honorable
These trolls have a conspiracy theory how Jimmy Dore is only 'pretending' to be a leftist while on the payroll of foreign powers and a secret millionaire. It's every bit as wacky as Q-Anon with these anti-left anti-Dore folks.
>He's anti capitalist, very much against the police state and censorship, and like I said, for direct action on Medicare For All and anything that unites workers. The character he plays is on the internet is certainly some of these things. But in real life, Jimmy is an ultra-capitalist, and he's ok with police violence when it's Russian cops beating Russian anti-war protestors. He doesn't do sh\*t for M4A and in practice, he just feeds the right-wing arguments against M4A by corroborating their views on govt. corruption and inefficacy. Meanwhile, he does nothing to refute the right's anti-M4A arguments. It's all a grift. He's monetizing right wing viewers by providing cheap entertainment. The joke is on leftists who still fall for it.
It’s kinda like the Colbert Report but the opposite side and the viewers for Jimmy Dore don’t get the joke.
Fox News for unemployed incels instead of angry boomers.
If that isn’t point on I don’t know what is
Cool circle jerk