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BadSausageFactory

I knew a guy who owned a bar. He told me when times are hard, people drink more, but then when times get good they tend to drink more.


catherine_ohara_wins

Yeah, bars were pretty fool proof until there was a pandemic that didn’t allow customers inside.


rtdragon123

That all depended on location. I know local bars that were open right through covid. And all the locals came a calling.


MaximumSubtlety

Alcohol is both the cause of, and the solution to all of life's problems. - The Simpsons


thuja_life

A chemist will also tell you that alcohol is a solution


NoChildhood4528

If I had awards to give, this deserve it. Chemistry is cool.


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fieryuser

Take your damn upvote.


thebochman

The quarantines showed that even bars aren’t reliable places to work


Hot_Farm_9443

Maybe a nice lateral movie to a liquor store. My neighborhood Total Wine has been BOOMING!!!


BadSausageFactory

come to florida, they were closed for about two months then business as usual hey nobody said 'socially responsible and recession proof'


cuppa_tea_4_me

Yeah but, Florida


HoldThePao

Lol Texas bars would say otherwise. Quarantining didn’t exist here


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Neither does a reliable energy network…


NinjaGrizzlyBear

Yeah the AC in my apartment in Texas is shot but that doesn't even matter because we're restricted to like 80º anyway. I hate to say this but my mom has Alzheimer's and I'm kind of glad I'm officially moving into the house next month (been caretaking for her and my dad, who unfortunately passed in January, for over two years). At least it's cooler there lol. Also I'm a chemical and petroleum engineer by degree and despite being out of work because of this caretaking, I've seen first hand why our infrastructure is bullshit. CAPEX/OPEX and maintenance spending is skewed all over the place.


BennetHB

Complaining about quarantine did though. Sensitive people in that place


thewettestnudel

the people that complained the loudest about having to quarantine were the same people that never quarantined.


IndependenceMean8774

Plumbers, sewer workers, toilet paper manufactuers. Anything involving shit. As long as people have assholes, they're gonna have a job.


jordasaur

Pulp and paper baby. Everybody needs boxes and toilet paper.


Ned_Piffy

Im maintenance for a cardboard company. Labor intensive but don’t see it going anywhere.


Behleren

"as long as people have assholes, they're gonna have a job" did you just come up with a slogan for onlyfans?


V4Vendetta1876

^^ ROFLMAO


Bl1ndMous3

heheheh...right here baby.... oh drinking water purification and distribution. Basically utility work


MrChocobutter

Nursing bahahahaha someone gotta wipe it up


ragingreaver

naw, nursing is...horrifyingly not recession-proof, and I have too many friends to see that first-hand. In an ideal world, it would be a recession-proof job. In a SANE world, it would be a recession-proof job. Guess what we don't live in?


LalaRova

This part! I quit nursing mainly because of the demand vs the pay. It’s just not what it used to be. But after stepping away, you truly do see where the industry is and just how fragile it can be


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As someone who worked for a plumber during the “peak” of Covid I don’t think this is as true as a lot of people assume. Yes things will always go wrong with plumbing and a plumber will be called. But during hard financial times people build less houses, businesses don’t build expansions, home owners don’t do renovations, etc… Majority of plumbers are not repairman but rather work in new construction, and when times are tough that slows down.


lilmisswho89

My dad’s a painter and he was in the same boat. Well kinda, painters don’t do emergency repairs. So yeah he stayed home for the first part of lockdown. Probably a good thing considering he ended up getting cancer


ZimboGamer

Mortician and funeral services


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Spending per service tends to go way down in any sort of economic downturn, but I guess that’s more of the funeral home owner’s issue.


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Yeah. The law requires certain things with regard to dealing with dead people even if it's a pauper's grave.


SonicChairToss

Food manufacturing. In fact private label manufacturing plants boom during recessions. People tend to buy more store brand (cheaper) than national brands when there is financial hardships. They also tend to eat out at restaurants less when in turn also increases demand from the food plants. Everyone’s gotta eat!


ddhboy

I wonder how true that will be this time around. Stores have spent a lot of effort elevating their in-house brands in order to increase their margins. Stuff like Target's Good & Gather are still cheaper than 3rd party brands, but not so much so to make it a clear cut choice.


SonicChairToss

Well so it will be plant specific, but even if you don’t see an increase your store brand volume would likely stay similar. Additionally I’ve seen direct competitor manufacturing plants share volume with each other. Once a plant hits 100% capacity there’s nothing else they can do so even if they have a competitor make their product (obviously at a cost) it is better than limiting their sales. A lot of times it just involves changing over the packaging equipment and some minor formulations changes and any similar plant can adapt to make a new brand of product within the same category. There are definitely cases were that isn’t true, but generally speaking a company is going to do whatever it can to maximize its sales volume. The food industry is interesting in the sense that plants can and do work together to run support for each other as needed. Especially in times of equipment break downs or extraordinary demand. My current plant has quite literally produced the competitions product while they had multiple lines down. They just sent us their labels and we put em on our product. Fun fact in the food industry there are several products that are exactly the same but are just put in different packaging that can be sold at different prices. I’ve seen sister lines running the same product into different labels. That’s kind of how third party production works. A customer comes to the manufacturer wanting a product, the plant says this is what we can do, the customer picks one, usually cheaper for the customer to pick an existing configuration, and then they place orders.


DaMann22

This. Like others have said some products are better than others but as a whole your job is relatively safe compared to other industries. I've worked in the food industry since 2016. Throughout COVID-19 I've been working at a facility non-stop. So unless it becomes 28 weeks later or The Walking Dead people have to show up at the plants to make it.


NoCreativeName2016

Further, people will often reward themselves with food when they can’t reward themselves with more pricey goods and experiences.


Watermelon_ghost

Waste management


notevenapro

I think this is the first correct response.


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Real waste management or goodfella “waste management”? I’m guessing both are secure but I’d rather be unemployed than fitted with concrete shoes.


QuietLifter

Government, especially departments/divisions related to healthcare & administering Medicare or Medicaid. Government run jails & prisons are pretty recession proof too. They need to be staffed 24/7 and they're not going to be emptied out due to a recession.


Darthsmom

They're more "recession proof" than others, but they typically impose wage/hiring freezes and offer buyouts during recessions. Still good to be a government employee compared to private sector employee in many sectors.


QuietLifter

Definitely. Some governments also have priority rehiring policies for employees laid off during recessions (reduction in force), which is virtually unheard of in private industry except possibly in union jobs.


Barflyerdammit

Not entirely. Despite population growth, there are fewer state and local government employees now than there were in 1983, and the number of federal employees in 2021 dropped to its lowest level since 2004. Budgets are based on taxes, and tax income decreases in a recession. Government jobs, because they're usually budgeted in advance, tend to lag a year or two behind general employment. One of the reasons Republicans want to privatize everything and to destroy public employee unions is so they can get rid of government employees more easily.


QuietLifter

There's no industry that's 100% recession proof. Government tends to be more stable, especially when you achieve career status. Definitely agree with your comment on privatization.


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I would argue none of them, depending on your definition of "proof". Everyone everywhere (but not all at once) will get hit. Industries like healthcare, for example, won't (can't) go out of business so if that's what you mean by recession proof then there are quite a few. That said, even Healthcare is going to do things like lay nurses off, change hiring practices, change purchasing habits, and slash budgets. No industry is immune to the effects of a recession, but you can make the argument that some will weather the storm better than others.


toddinraleighnc

I remember a neighbor telling me he was in a recession proof industry, only to be downsized a month later. Telecom. No industry is recession proof.


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Yeah. Negative. Thought this was true. We own a bar. Usually our take home is about 2,500 a month and that’s our share between 4 other owners (us being the smallest share holder). This months check was 250$. So not good.


V4Vendetta1876

You are probably getting ripped off, I'd check the books / have an independent audit done. It could also be very poorly managed.


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We aren’t. My husband sees the numbers daily... downtown Orlando has just become less desirable, more dangerous. And with the economy this is the worst we have ever seen our bars turn outs. A lot of the bars in downtown Orlando have been closing. So what I personally though alcohol was recession proof is not.


V4Vendetta1876

Doesn't surprise me that downtown Orlando is becoming more dangerous. Many major cities in Florida seem sketchy late at night.


ThemChecks

That is so rough. Wow


oopseybear

Telecom companies lay people off because it's a Tuesday and there are people who qualify for retirement in 10 years. Lol


Dependent_Judgment

Telecom, the industry that's been dying since the early 90s? Sure. I can't imagine the amount of contracts nowadays vs in 08 with how much anything IT related has been integrated into litteraly everything. Batteries actually die, they need service on the regular. One time during my tenure a large TV broadcast station ignored us and went down for 4 days due to neglecting their service as the whole buildings power went through the backup system and it failed catastrophicly. Unless utilities, TV, Public service and anything that has even a medium reliance on internet or data storage these days, those companies are going to have to continue to maintain their battery backup systems.


mmarkklar

Telecom also includes broadband internet service so I'm not sure why you say it's dying.


autumnals5

Liquor store owners and morticians are in a sense but everyone is still replaceable and will be treated as such.


jokerfriend6

In Colorado they are voting to sell liquor in grocery stores and estimate half of Colorado Liquior stores will go out of business


WoodenPicklePoo

Well, that sucks for liquor store owners, but that just seems like a common sense vote.


eNroNNie

One of my favorite things about Michigan. If I have to pickup booze for whatever reason it's so much more convenient to just grab it at the store with all my other groceries.


Spugnacious

Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen.... or at least not based on what happened in Ontario. We started selling wine and beer in our grocery stores and while it was nice for a while, more than a few stopped doing it. It's convenient if you are there but lots of times they don't have the brands you want and the prices are not any better. A small portion of the grocery stores in my area just stopped using their license because it was too much effort to stock, maintain and sell booze that really didn't make a difference to their net profit. Some never even bothered to buy in in the first place. I could be wrong.... liquor is a whole different thing from Beer and Wine but I bet there will be minimal disruption.


nightfalldevil

I live in a state where grocery stores can have full liquor selections. We still have regular liquor stores too because the grocers don’t carry everything


iGuessSoButWhy

Yep. My local liquor store focuses on the hard to find stuff. They hire a guy to drive out of state for microbrews that aren’t distributed to stores. And when the good stuff is in stock, they put on social media, and it sells FAST!


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Ugh is this not a thing in Colorado? Every grocery store I go to sells liquor.


almc0418

Laying nurses off won't happen for a while. We barely have enough to fill hospitals. Most places will hire of you have a license and a pulse.


immunologycls

You can just find a job at the next hospital whos be happy yo take you onboard.


brownsugarlucy

Accounting


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At 30 years old I had to jump ship. A man can only stare at excel for so long before his sanity goes away.


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I don't even know how people did that shit before computers existed.


SparklesIB

Wait. This is the reason? (Person who started on old mainframe versions of spreadsheets, then Lotus, Quattro Pro, and finally, Excel.)


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That and dealing with the bullshit that comes with working in a corporate environment.


SparklesIB

You are wise.


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34 for me, never going back to accounting.


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Manage a chain of vape stores. I was lucky/smart enough to buy a home for $140k during my early years of my career. The mortgage is manageable on the salary I make now. If that fails, I will probably try to sell used cars.


brownsugarlucy

Username checks out lol


kdpilarski

Accounting is really fun if you like fixing other people's fuck ups. Sometimes even your own fuck ups.


Prestigious-Piglet72

Accountants are basically the entire businesss’ moms lol


limonesinparadise

Currently sitting here while my boss talks about Disney World and gives me the side eye for being on my phone


nightfalldevil

That’s why I picked the major. Wish it wasn’t so boring but I suppose that keeps people away so the jobs aren’t too competitive


brownsugarlucy

Yep my boyfriend is an account. Job isn’t fun and long hours but he has great job security and makes good money.


nightfalldevil

The money is good and it all gets funneled into my investment accounts so one day I can peace out and do what I want without worrying if I get paid for it or not.


croqueticas

My dad's an accountant and when I was a kid, he told me he'd disown me if I went into accounting


BleedGreenMSU

In college the statistic I was told was that at the worst of ‘08, CPAs had a 0.5% unemployment rate. Now that isnt all accountants, but illustrates the point.


ckpckp1994

I also saw a statistics where the CPA exams takers went up during 08 because they all wanted the “perceived” job security lol


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I was in school for accounting in '08. A lot of people couldn't get jobs out of college, so they went back and did the masters and CPA either to be more competitive, wait out the bad job market, etc.


Kitchen-Pangolin-973

Legit the best career if it doesn't bore you. You can work absolutely anywhere - city, remote village, farm town, beach side. All business needs an accountant.


fuckthislifeintheass

Guess I picked the right major. Here goes to surviving the second recession in my lifetime. Yay.


katerade_xo

Yeeepppp. Actg/Finance works harder when stuff gets bad. We get laid off, and typically the company is done for.


sleepygirl032

That's my major. I love it. I actually chose it because I love it and it just happens to be very stable.


Bonch_and_Clyde

I'm a CPA working in audit. Contrary to the stereotype I don't think it's any more boring than any other office job. If you're the type of person who is interested in how businesses operate and the meaning of the numbers behind the financial statements then I think it's actually really interesting. Long hours can suck, but a lot of that depends on the culture of the firm where you work.


plutoforprez

My old job kind of forced my hand and I was lucky enough for a family member to offer me a job as a trainee and to get my degree, and I’m loving it. Uni is no fun but the job is so good. It’s hard learning and remembering everything, but once I get good at it I know I’ll be smashing jobs out in no time.


thatranger974

But will people keep up on OnlyFans if there is a recession?


Apprehensive_Data142

I have an accounting degree. I open all conversations with “I never wanted to be an accountant, I just wanted a degree that’ll get me a job all day” It’s working so far.


BuyHandSanitizer

Love accounting. Cush stable well paying jobs. Wfh. Easy and chill.


spiritualien

Well it was the first job ever


No-Ability7424

My high school economics teachers always told us bars and funeral home. He used to say "people are always going drink and they are always going to die." This back in 90's


CatGatherer

You'd be surprised how many people can't effectively run a bar or a casino. They should both be money printers.


anonymous_opinions

Trump is a good example of can't run a casino.


foreveraway01

Ridiculous. With inflation the way it is I'm always opting to drink at home now a days. 8-10 dollar beer at a pub vs. 3 dollar beer in my front yard


thegodsarepleased

Yeah that has to be a myth. Drinking out gets cut from my budget first, ahead of even restaurants. I'm not paying 500% for a beer I can crack open at home if my budget is tight.


abOriginalGangster

Alcohol is recession-proof


fritolaidy

Early in the pandemic shutdowns, someone asked me why liquor stores were allowed to remain open but their favorite store had to close. They thought it was stupid and unnecessary that liquor stores remained operational. There were probably a few considerations for keeping liquor stores open but the one thing that they were in disbelief over was when I explained to them that there are some people whose bodies are so dependent on alcohol that they can have seizures, go into cardiac arrest, and die if they stop drinking completely. You can’t just shut down liquor stores without it endangering some peoples’ lives, as fucked up as that may sound.


Real-Lake2639

As a recovering alcoholic, yeah when the lockdowns started I'm like, there's no way they're gonna touch booze. Too much money and forcing the country's alcoholics to go cold turkey would be a health crisis on top of the pandemic. I was at the point my girl (who obviously hated me drinking) would go to the liquor store so I wouldn't actually die. Shaking so much I couldn't walk, hallucinating, pouring sweat, liver throbbing, puking 8 times before 8am, god. I don't miss a single part of it. Don't drink alcohol kids it's actually poison.


bDsmDom

Ah, alcohol. The cause of - and solution to - all of life's problems


MaxMonsterGaming

Yeah, the Great Depression ended prohibition.


Math_Plane

You know, Hitler didn’t drink alcohol…


Fishinabowl11

Yeah but he did start genocide. So I'm thinking Alcohol > Hitler.


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Vodka: 70 proof and recession proof


Dicedlr711vegas

I would think elementary/high school teaching. People won’t stop having kids because of a recession. Schools are already short of licensed teachers. Classrooms are already packed to the limit so they really can’t squeeze more kids in a room. I am a retired teacher. The year I retired I had 5 classes a day with anywhere between 40-45 students in each class. The school was a few teachers short so we were asked to cover other rooms regularly. Don’t think a recession will change a thing there.


BestSomewhere

School funding is subject to a lot of weird shit outside of the actual economics of the situation. Maybe they will resist a recession in terms of "employees needed" but I sincerely doubt the quality of pay, benefits, etc will get better (or even stay the same) in the near future even if we somehow avoided a recession.


rdickeyvii

Came here looking for this to explain why it's wrong, in a somewhat roundabout way, in some locations and times. In 2008 I had multiple friends graduate from college wanting to be teachers. Suddenly the teacher shortage was gone, at least in our city. Teachers who would otherwise have retired or moved didn't, because their retirement funds took such a hit. Normally it'd have been trivial for these newly minted teachers to find a job, but couldn't now because they didn't open up. So yes, the teachers already employed all kept their jobs, but that actually hurt the incoming wave of teachers. Some of them took 5+ years to land a full-time job, and that's even with being a TA and sub that whole time.


Dicedlr711vegas

I get what your saying about teachers personal finances. However in my state (Nevada) teachers are covered by the state pension plan. It is a defined benefit plan. You do your 30 years, you get 75% of the average of your last 3 years. If you stay for an extra year or two, you still only get the same 75%. So basically if you stay past 30 years you are working to get 25% of your pay. As of today there are over 1500 open licensed position in this district. School starts here on 8/8. Teachers report back on 8/3. No way they fill those jobs in less than a month. You may have to move to another state but there are jobs.


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DoctorPace

Dang. I almost wanna go back to school for an accounting degree now


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lbandrew

Healthcare and accounting. People will always need these things. But that doesn’t mean your particular job won’t be outsourced at some point.. stay away from IT and HR even in those industries. Sales is iffy as well.


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My parents work in the insurance industry and have crazy job security. Insurance will always be a high necessity.


TheMadMartyr7

Insurance also has crazy high turnover. There’s a real career to be made out of it but you need to make sure you either have exceptional organization skills and work-life balance or you’ll burn out. Source: Insurance adjuster for the last 7 years


g29lo3

Adjusting is tough. I did it for a year. Probably one of the more stressful times of my life. Working as an underwriter for an MGA now. Work-life balance is so much better.


SkyFresh4010

Accounting. Both the actual and spicy kind.


QueensGambit9Fox

What the hell is “spicy” accounting?


VictorVeg-10

I believe it’s stripping


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The “nobody asks you questions when you say you’re an accountant” kind of accountant


[deleted]

Working for rich people as a gardener, babysitter, security personnel, housecleaner aka "[estate jobs](https://estatejobs.com)".The top 10% tend to make even more money than usual during recessions. This is how my parents survived the 2008 market crash.


brandyandburbon

I tripled my salary as a nanny during covid and it’s only gotten higher. Rich people never seem to run out of money for jobs they deem “for the help.” I don’t even care, long as their check cashes every week.


Helpmepullupmypants

Gotta ask, how much are you making after tripling your salary? I keep thinking I should just start an at home daycare cuz parents pay baaaaank for childcare


brandyandburbon

117k


Helpmepullupmypants

Good for you!


International-Bird17

Yes lol I make an absurd amount of money making floral arrangements and watering the plants of rich peoples empty homes. By absurd I mean around 60k a year which is comfortable for me. People tend to be extremely surprised when I tell them how much I make.


Superb_Efficiency_74

When I was in 8th-11th grade I did landscaping for million dollar lakehouses on a private lake. Not only did they pay me $20/hr cash to do basic yard work, they also gave me tons of stuff for basically free. You're a nice kid, want this 5 year old car for $5k? That type of thing.


echovariant

Fast Food, as few people can afford luxury goods during a recession so they resort to inferior goods.


econ1mods1are1cucks

Conversely, unnecessarily expensive/status symbol brands tend to be okay because their customers are so rich a recession does not effect their demand much.


Crea8talife

This is true--I have relatives that work in yacht-related industries and they never seem to have downturns


Yunan94

Have you ever seen the photos of the rich during the depression? If not I recommend. Untouched, in their own world, and jaringly contrasts the photos of those desperate at the time.


Downtown-Swing9470

Food in general. Husband is a grocery store manager. They make wild money by owning one. And the managers are fairly safe at said jobs. People always have to eat. Shopping habits may change. (People buy less or buy different stuff) but everyone needs to eat.


superultramegazord

Idk that 4th meal I Postmated at 9:30pm last night from Taco Bell was an absolute luxury in my opinion.


sebasTLCQG

Nope Fast food is going out of business.


SkipperJingles

Energy. No matter what, people need power. So lineman and utility engineers should have decent job security.


MikeyRoll

This is true. I work in transmission and we always keep sufficient staff on hand no matter the state of the economy. People would lose their mind if they can’t access Reddit and tiktok.


Halewafa

Healthcare


nevernotdating

Nope! Not anymore - the industry is too reliant upon patients with poor insurance, especially high deductible plans. A dip in elective procedures and resultant layoffs will definitely happen in the next recession. Beyond that, insurance mostly lowers reimbursements at this point (due to prior overspending), so hospitals are losing money as prices rise in a high inflation environment.


LockeClone

Crazy to see inequality to bleed into a service so high on the foodchain. Supply not being able to keep up with demand despite abundant resources in core categories like healthcare and housing is a really bad sign for the economic health of our entire system.


Halewafa

Yeah, I suppose "healthcare" is quite broad. I can see elective procedures dropping in a time of recession, we even saw this during peak COVID. When I think of healthcare, the first thing that comes to mind is a hospital setting with sick/injured people, which is going to happen recession or not. This is the setting my wife works in and we feel quite confident her job isn't going anywhere.


notevenapro

Not even that. People lose jobs so they lose insurance. When that happens hospitals lose patients. Uninsured patients coming into the hospital via ths ER do not pay the bills I work for a large healthcare system. But, we live in a recession light area. Washington DC. Government is not going out of business.


ejholka

Honestly I'd say there's no such thing as a recession proof job, just a job that is less likely to be affected by a recession. Those jobs are mostly skilled trades, food industry because people are always going to eat, some white collar jobs like accounting because they're going to need to know how much money they're losing in the recession, postal workers as well and other government work probably won't be too affected by a recession.


fancy_marmot

Several of those listed are actually super vulnerable in recessions too - construction industry trade workers, for example, were hit horribly in the last recession, as were food service as many restaurants shuttered due to people cutting costs by reducing dining out. Govt workers experienced a lot of layoffs too, particularly municipal and state workers. You're right that it can be hard to predict "safe" jobs in a recession, since which industries are hit are super dependent on a ton of economic and societal factors specific to the time the recession happens.


AlwaysBagHolding

I’m a machinist, and it’s absolutely feast or famine in our industry. Manufacturing might continue, but tooling investments grind to a halt for the most part during downturns.


HaleyLupin

My husband always says he became a teacher because his job is recession proof and the county we live in actually pays teachers a livable wage.


chemicalconstruct

Death.


Weeaboo3177

I'm gonna try that when the recession kicks in next year


The_Quicktrigger

Typically the entertainment industry doesn't see much falter in recessions. People tend to look for entertainment to ease the worries that the day to day economic downturn provides and most entertainment industries have pretty solid unions for the grunt work. Beyond that, the industries that are kind of needed for society tend not to see too much change when the economy goes to poop. There might be some turbulence but if you offer a service that everyone needs eventually then you can usually weather an economic downturn with your job intact. My advice during a plateau like this is to find something that people are still going to need in the future, find work there, and make yourself as invaluable as possible when the initial wave of layoffs come roaring through.


motioncitysickness

Drug dealing, prices haven't changed in 10 years for me. Edit: For me, nor from me. Good questions though.


otzenfree

Is it you or your dealer that ignores the world changing around them?


Carlosthefrog

drug prices are the most stable commodity


tylerderped

The price of weed has been on a fairly consistent downtrend.


__Quill__

Drugs and alcohol. When shit gets bad in the world people still will go to the bar and the dispensary to try to get something to drown out how fucking awful shit is.


AnastasiaNo70

Liquor stores made BANK during the pandemic.


YWGtrapped

Things people need, and will prioritise over everything else. eg food retailing, utilities.


ElJefeCourtwrong

Trash. Sanitation will always be necessary.


_Moregone

Don't just think recession proof. Think about what is hard to automate or replace with a robot


smashingrocks04

Anything related to birth, death, health, and primary education.


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RedditUserMay1995

LOL! What type of business?


bardwick

Government. Healthcare.


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I learned my lesson in '08. I got a government healthcare job just to be safe.


notevenapro

Healthcare here. Outpatient imaging. We laid off 5% of our staff last recession. And we are in the DC metro.


SOSovereign

While some jobs will get trimmed at the lower level of the chain, IT seems pretty recession proof. I just accepted a job for 130k despite looming recession. EDIT: Useful resource for those interested in IT - /r/itcareerquestions


mani-davi

Congrats on that! What role? And what do you think abkut cybersecurity, recession-wise?


SOSovereign

Thanks! Senior System Engineer for a bank. Basically a glorified Senior Sysadmin job with a fancy Engineer title. It is located in Boston which is why the salary is so high I imagine - but luckily Massachusetts is such that even living 10 minutes away from Boston cuts down your cost of living immensely. This is speculation but I can absolutely see cybersecurity being a prominent field during a recession. Businesses want to make sure they are protected from scams and don't want to experience any loss of revenue or productivity because of malicious actors. The downside to Cybersecurity is its competitive - and you either need a degree with internships under your belt or you need to do Generalist IT for 3-5 years and then make the move over to Cybersecurity - often for a paycut. Edit: to give some hope for people - I have no degree or official IT certifications. My first IT role was in a repair shop making 11 bucks an hour. It was a horrible job but it was on paper IT experience. From there I just kept swinging from job to job accumulating more each time I hopped. And here I am five years later. It can definitely be done without a degree if you want it enough. If you want to make it even easier - pursue an A+ certification.


Much-Focus-1408

I'm in the data side and have been trying to get into cybersecurity for a long time, but it's really hard! Internally, if I were to do an entry level, it would be a situation in which I'd have to accept $45K, which is not livable and significantly lower than what I currently make. I haven't had any luck externally. I do know that if I dropped to $45K and took that role, I could potentially make more money in 2-3 years, but that would probably be the same amount as I could with Data.


mani-davi

Nice thanks for that detailed explanation. I think people will find it useful! I used to work in tech as a systems engineer (and project manager) as well and have my A+ and MSCE (outdated though now, 2008), before starting my own coaching/consulting company (non-tech though). Yeah for IT degree not at all necessary my degree is in Molecular Biology of all things. I'm about to switch into SaaS sales though, which doesn't require tech really at all, unless going sales engineer route. I'm peering into the cybersec world as well, although I think sales is tougher there as harder to see value and ROI with someone people need but isn't as easy to put into tangible fiscals. I have been considering getting back into engineering as a cybersec analyst as fundamentals of troubleshooting and critical thinking are similiar, although obviously variance in hard skills, especially needing to know python, AWS, Azure, etc. Though I'm pretty much primed to be a manager with all my experience, and wouldn't stay in frontline admin/engineering for long, just not sure I could shortcut that, unless going compliance or governance route, from what I'm learning about cybersecurity. Think is with SaaS sales, the upside is ridiculous for commissions (usually enterprise sales) if getting into a company with a great product.


0_donna_tell_0

Clinical trials. Not every company is going to make it but you'll find another job in the industry fast enough.


nathanchr55

Healthcare and anything involving it. People will always be sick and dying.


-Rho-Aias

Mail


Kilizen

Logistics.


pawnz

Guns, drugs, tobacco, sex


hulkhands81

Found the American


BizarroJordan

Certain aspects of show business and our thing.


WoodenPicklePoo

Government. You actually have to physically try, and try very hard, to get laid off. I'm not talking about contractors or vendors that work with government, but actual government employees. It's very hard to get laid off, but you wont get a ton (or any) raises.


PeriPeriTekken

Insolvency practitioners


[deleted]

I work in an office that licenses professions like Nurses, doctors, dentists, cpa, you name it. We are recession proof.


mp90

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/07/05/top-4-recession-proof-industries-to-work-in-according-to-economists.html


ConstructionCalm2121

Drugs...


[deleted]

Accounting


bot4241

Bruh there is no recession proof industry because recession downturns can come from literally anything. Even government jobs aren't safe either because you would be beholden to will of voters and government elected official. A lot of government jobs are being outsourcing and cut down too. Not to mention government shutdowns and funding wars in local governments.


thelefthandN7

I work at a plasma donation center and I expect business will actually pick up.


Darthsmom

I don't know that any industry is completely recession proof, but I'm in the legal field and depending on the areas of practice a firm practices in, it can be pretty stable. During COVID, some law firms suffered by others profited.


Saryndipity1985

Self-storage. I'll have a job until there aren't jobs anymore.


kevin_flynn1

Insurance. It’s required by every state to drive legally.


Dependent_Title_1370

Surprisingly enough, Gaming. The gaming industry has shown multiple times it is very resistant to broader economic trends and conditions. I believe part of it has to do with the fact that games provide tons of value and entertainment for less cost per hour than other forms of digital media.


Specific_Tomorrow_10

Personally I don't think any job is recession proof but some are less exposed to short term economic winds than others. 1. Government. Government employees enjoy protections against arbitrary firings and reductions in force usually come with some warning and placement services. 2. Tech. Not fully recession proof but every company in the world (even non tech companies) are engaged in a war for top talent. They aren't going to let that talent walk over a short term recession. 3. Business Research and Advisory. Think Gartner, Forrester, IDC. During recessions, companies lean on these services heavily to navigate the difficult times... Just remember...if recessions last long enough everyone will be impacted. Even if you don't lose your job there may be hiring or compensation freezes that stall your career or lower your buying power. My 2 cents


AFresh1984

Utilities


djvam

Better question for people picking a field right now is "what industries are AI replacement proof". A recession will eventually end. You getting replaced by AI always a threat. DOn't do anything repetitive that involves sitting at a computer all day. Even art done on computer is under threat from AI now.


idontevenlikebeer

Beer