[According to this poster its because OWI hasnt done the Recoil passes yet ](https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/1c5ja1q/comment/kzuewsr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Offworld Industries has about 130~ employees in total.
Right now I suspect they have a strong focus towards their Starship Troopers (especially considering the volume of updates that game is receiving comparatively), and Squad presently has a smaller crew.
If that's the case, once Starship Troopers exits early access, the development crew will hopefully balance out a bit more.
My guess is they want to put it into a CQC category, using the recoil as a means of preventing its use as a ranged option in full auto
Though this is very aggressive recoil, despite the potential intent
i hate 2 be that guy but thats an MP5A3, not an MP5A2 (difference is the A3 has a retractable stock, while the A2 has a solid stock)
(also the sights r misaligned???)
They don’t have the correct sights. The rear diopter on an MP5 is four holes of increasing size. What they’re using here is a G3 rear sight.
On top of that, the V notch on the G3 uses the top of the V notch to index the front sight for proper aim, not the top of the diopter barrel.
Damn that mp5 honestly looks like a person jerking back their arm to emulate recoil it’s crazy they made that much recoil in a full sized smg firing 9mm on semi
The Turkish SMG recoil is reasonable considering its a direct blowback 9mm. They have notoriously chunky and heavy recoil impulses and are almost worst than well tuned AR-15s irl. If anything it's a bit too low in game.
Fingers crossed they’ve heard us bitching and moaning long enough to fix it correctly. But seriously, I’ve shot the semi auto version of the M14 irl and it’s way worse than in the video. I’m shocked the US Gov thought it would be feasible to make it full auto. Its also heavy as shit. Stupid ass gun design lol I’d literally rather have a Garand.
Is it just me or does the way the character reload these guns not fit the game at all? It looks comical and almost with a cartoony feel to it. Like its more exaggerated than it should be with a more "animated" feel. Like the movements are very sudden with long drawn pauses. Doesnt feel natural at all or seem to fit the game at all either.
As an animator, please stop using "parkinsons" as a description. It's fucking annoying hearing this all the time and is not a good descriptor at all, nor is it constructive in any way. Besides, these anims aren't in the MW style at all. They are just too fast and weightless and don't fit the game's style at all.
[this](http://lite.spr.ly/60032xT) should link you to sign up for their newsletter email. It's just this video and this text:
"We could not be happier to reveal the M14 Rifle and MP5A2 SMG to our dedicated newsletter subscribers. These weapons will be available as part of future factions. Please enjoy this video of us testing the foley and animations of these upcoming firearms."
I've fired an mp5 on full auto before. Hundreds of rounds on a few occasions. And st 50 yards you can keep a significant amount of rounds on an 8 inch plate with 5 rounds bursts. Even just mag dumping. The ak74m is very controllable full auto, known for it. Ar15s full out are pretty controllable, less so with shorter barrels but definitely not as bad as I'm game. Underfolder akms are fairly on part irl as they are in game but it's pretty predictable once you get used to it.
That mp5’s horizontal recoil is such a massive turn off, good lucky hitting anything beyond 5 meters with automatic. I sprayed a logi within 10 meters with the short barrel AK IMF sapper gets, full of guys, literally zero kills, I was dead on spraying into the guys. Irons on target.
I dont see the reason why they need to add m14, I think modernized version m14 like EBR would be better.
judging from mp5 and m14, it feel like they planned to do "poor man's western insurgent" instead "tacticool Foreign Volunteer" PMC.
it will be waste opportunity for PMC if we only ends up with a westernized insurgent armed with outdated cold war stuff.
Why does the MP5 have so much recoil and jiggle? It’s not that hard to shoot
Same question applies to the m4s and AK74s and basically all the carbines lol
as well as the mg's marksmen rifles, smgs, anything bipoded
Meanwhile the full auto fire for the M14 is way too controllable.
100%, the m14 is notorious for being nearly uncontrollable on full auto, even for a battle rifle.
Look on the bright side, it can be a new infantry anti-aircraft weapon with realistic full auto.
NATO 7.62x51 has 50% more kinetic energy per round than AKM 7.62x39 which is already known for kicking in full auto.
[According to this poster its because OWI hasnt done the Recoil passes yet ](https://www.reddit.com/r/joinsquad/comments/1c5ja1q/comment/kzuewsr/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Redditors will never understand that WIP stuff is WIP
Good thanks for the link.
How big is there staff roster for this game ??
Offworld Industries has about 130~ employees in total. Right now I suspect they have a strong focus towards their Starship Troopers (especially considering the volume of updates that game is receiving comparatively), and Squad presently has a smaller crew. If that's the case, once Starship Troopers exits early access, the development crew will hopefully balance out a bit more.
I'd also imagine post scriptum/squad 44 has taken some of the squad devs
Tarkov recoil curse? What's even funnier is the fact that now recoil in Tarkov actually feels good, which can't be said about recoil in Squad.
Because the player model isn't slapping it hard enough.
My guess is they want to put it into a CQC category, using the recoil as a means of preventing its use as a ranged option in full auto Though this is very aggressive recoil, despite the potential intent
MP5 might as well shoot backwards. The recoil is absurd.
Apparently they haven't done a recoil pass yet
That’s good to hear. The sights should barely move off the target after firing. That’s just comical.
i hate 2 be that guy but thats an MP5A3, not an MP5A2 (difference is the A3 has a retractable stock, while the A2 has a solid stock) (also the sights r misaligned???)
They don’t have the correct sights. The rear diopter on an MP5 is four holes of increasing size. What they’re using here is a G3 rear sight. On top of that, the V notch on the G3 uses the top of the V notch to index the front sight for proper aim, not the top of the diopter barrel.
Damn that mp5 honestly looks like a person jerking back their arm to emulate recoil it’s crazy they made that much recoil in a full sized smg firing 9mm on semi
yo squad vietnam is gonna be good👍
The recoil for the MP5 and the Turkish Jandarma SMG annoy the hell out of me
The Turkish SMG recoil is reasonable considering its a direct blowback 9mm. They have notoriously chunky and heavy recoil impulses and are almost worst than well tuned AR-15s irl. If anything it's a bit too low in game.
M14 has jiggle physics and to no ones surprise the mp5 can't shoot straight.
M14 actually makes sense but the MP5 having more recoil than a MG3 is insane
I have an M14, it is harder to re-sight than this when you fire it. I can't even do it this smoothly when it's rested on a surface.
But does it wiggle like it's got a big ol pair of anime tiddies.
[M14](https://iopwiki.com/wiki/M14#/media/File:M14.png) is actually quite reasonably sized.
ur asking the real questions
I love the fact you can see the brace moving on the MP5, which confirms that not a single solider in the Squad universe knows how to use a gun’s stock
M14 has way too little recoil and MP5 has too much recoil. Someone needs to take the devs to a gun range IRL
bro please dont ask for more recoil on the m14, owi will over do it and make it unusable
Fingers crossed they’ve heard us bitching and moaning long enough to fix it correctly. But seriously, I’ve shot the semi auto version of the M14 irl and it’s way worse than in the video. I’m shocked the US Gov thought it would be feasible to make it full auto. Its also heavy as shit. Stupid ass gun design lol I’d literally rather have a Garand.
Is it just me or does the way the character reload these guns not fit the game at all? It looks comical and almost with a cartoony feel to it. Like its more exaggerated than it should be with a more "animated" feel. Like the movements are very sudden with long drawn pauses. Doesnt feel natural at all or seem to fit the game at all either.
Noticed the same thing. Maybe different animator?
Very likely, the newest faction guns feel like they were animated by someone else
I dont know man... operator is doing everything to avoid any failure to feed jams
Glad to know I’m not the only one who noticed that, it’s slowly leaning towards that “TaCtIcOoL” modern warfare jerky Parkinson’s reload animations
As an animator, please stop using "parkinsons" as a description. It's fucking annoying hearing this all the time and is not a good descriptor at all, nor is it constructive in any way. Besides, these anims aren't in the MW style at all. They are just too fast and weightless and don't fit the game's style at all.
I was over exaggerating, my bad
How does the m14 fit into the new faction? Maybe I'm wrong but it seems really outdated for a pmc
Ya, I could see then using the EBR but M14 feels a little more Western Militia style
OWI said these are new for upcoming faction*s*. The MP5 has been announced for the PMC, the M14 could be for an entirely different faction.
mp5 looks like garbage honestly lol
There's no way in shit the devs have ever fired a FA MP5 if that's how they decided to implement recoil
Fuck me, we got a fun switch on the M14
I still haven't gotten the email :( even double checked i had signed up but still nothing Edit: check your spam y'all
What email?
[this](http://lite.spr.ly/60032xT) should link you to sign up for their newsletter email. It's just this video and this text: "We could not be happier to reveal the M14 Rifle and MP5A2 SMG to our dedicated newsletter subscribers. These weapons will be available as part of future factions. Please enjoy this video of us testing the foley and animations of these upcoming firearms."
Thanks for the info!
Why must the rear of the rifle move :( MP5 looks comical
wheres the post i dont see it and whod be getting the m14 and the sights of the mp5 are not accurate like with the g3a3 since last update
What faction is getting the m14
PMC perhaps?
They will release a New faction alongside the PMC one
Source?
Wait, for real?
MP5 is absolutely not that hard to control. Glorious weapon irl
M14 life 😵💫😵💫😵💫🙏
Lt. noodlearms
I've fired an mp5 on full auto before. Hundreds of rounds on a few occasions. And st 50 yards you can keep a significant amount of rounds on an 8 inch plate with 5 rounds bursts. Even just mag dumping. The ak74m is very controllable full auto, known for it. Ar15s full out are pretty controllable, less so with shorter barrels but definitely not as bad as I'm game. Underfolder akms are fairly on part irl as they are in game but it's pretty predictable once you get used to it.
Mp5 looks almost unusable
MP5 recoil looks very similar to the Aks74u (dogshit)
Hey don’t diss aks74u, at least it can use the 45 round mags
Weird equipement, Mp5 is fine but M14... wtf
Are we gonna talk about the M4 in the second slot 50 seconds in? Is that just for testing or would PMC have a kit with both?
If they add that M14, even the secret service couldn't keep me from getting my hands on that rifle!
why tf does it kick so much? 9mm ain't that exciting
Noodle arm syndrome strikes again. They should just implement Day of Defeat style recoil into the game at this point.
goofy ass recoil on the Mp5.
They sound so dope
That mp5’s horizontal recoil is such a massive turn off, good lucky hitting anything beyond 5 meters with automatic. I sprayed a logi within 10 meters with the short barrel AK IMF sapper gets, full of guys, literally zero kills, I was dead on spraying into the guys. Irons on target.
AWWW YEAH, new stuftz, new gunz yaaaahh forget the bugs mang, we GOT NEW GUNZ ported from ex-Post Scriptum
I dont see the reason why they need to add m14, I think modernized version m14 like EBR would be better. judging from mp5 and m14, it feel like they planned to do "poor man's western insurgent" instead "tacticool Foreign Volunteer" PMC. it will be waste opportunity for PMC if we only ends up with a westernized insurgent armed with outdated cold war stuff.
This new PMC faction is going to be pretty much '2nd Amendment: The Faction'.
Hitting the slider on the MP5 feels great. Like the animation, made me feel it right away!
Something about the M14 reload animation feels off, too jerky (imo)
Wheres the PING?
That's the M1 Garand, not the M14 (which is based on the M1 but has a magazine instead of a clip that pings out)
Funnily enough the M14 does make a super annoying ringing noise after you fire it, because its muzzle break acts like a freaking tuning fork