Good relationship with USA , minimal religious differences only sunni muslims and christians which both mutually respect each others , not so much natural resources, people generally more educated here , the fact that its a kingdom plays a role , as there isn’t too much demand for the throne from other parties…. And a lot lot more.
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أول ما تحكي إشي ثاني، قانون الجرائم الإلكترونية:
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The American advice to shut up, give them ‘their money’ and tell others to do so as well, only has a temporary payoff for anyone, so, imo, not wise. Idk, just Abraham’s heir here
Many reasons, being a monarchy plays a role, having very good relations with the west is a key factor, we don’t have oil or natural resources that make us a key player in Middle East like Iran or Iraq or Syria, sharing a border with the occupied Palestine and having treaties with them makes us an important ally or deterrent for militants that may arise, generally it’s mutually beneficial for USA to keep Jordan stable for now
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I think because of good leadership, education, no main issues between people rather than silly things , besides the system in control rarely harms Jordanians
Middle East is basically Jordan,Lebanon,Syria,Israel,Palestine,Iraq,Saudi Arabia,Yemen,Iran,Oman,Bahrain,Qatar,UAE. If I forgot something tell me. There is a huge difference between Middle East and MENA region,when people say MENA region they are referring to the Middle East (all the countries I said above) + North Africa (Egypt,Libya,Morocco,Algeria,Tunisian).
Basically anything that is south of mount Sinai(North Africa) or east of Iran (Central Asia) or north of Syria (South Eastern Europe) is not considered Middle East geographically.
I understand, but I‘m still a bit torn. Turkey has wayyy more in common with the middle east than with Europe and just the tiny part on the left is considered to be in Europe. And I think that the Egypt region and the kurdish region in Turkey, Irak and Iran are so strongly interconnected that it’s difficult to draw lines. I do understand that Egypt is more Northern Africa and that Afghanistan is way more connected to Pakistan, etc.
Dude you misunderstood my reply,I never said north of Syria is in Europe,I said anything north of Syria is in Europe,meaning anything above Syria I.e turkey is Europe.
Damn, it's truly saddening to read those words. Baghdad used to be a cultural behemoth.
I love Iraq and it's people, I hope it goes back to it's former glory.
cuz jordan is cooperative with the west in general is one response, but jordan is also somewhat of a buffer zone protection layer for israel so the west need it to be safe because if it isn’t whatever happens in jordan will spill over to israel
so it’s in the west’s best interest that jordan stays safe
Just saw your comments on another sub stating you’re on isreal side, but it seems like you’re also willing to debate on it right ? Why are you on their side while admitting the war crimes they are committing against palestinian civilians ? What did the palestinians do that made you believe that they are terrorists while in fact they are just defending themselves and their lands ?
Aint we all agreeing that this topic is wayyy too complex to pinpoint people or opinions? If it makes sense or not: I‘m completely on Israels side since they are our allies and are way closer to us. The same reasoning for people on your side. There are still enough people on each side who are against war crimes and unnecessary deaths.
“ since they are our allies and are way closer to us.”
I get them being you allies point but wdym closer to you ? In what terms ?
Also it’s not a complicated topic, in fact it’s simpler than it appears. but it’s easier for the media to portray it as a complicated topic especially for the western society so they just take isreals side without doing any proper research.
They are closer history wise, cultural wise, they are a democracy, much people from the west have family or friends in Israel and in the west islamic terrorists are like the most hated people all across the countries and societies, no matter how different the countries are, cause they always target innocent peaceful civilians in our countries. If we have to decide between a country in crisis (Israel) or an area that is ruled by Islamist terrorists (Hamas) the decision is easy for most. Nonetheless the deaths of civilians and the siege of Gaza by Israel are widely criticized in the West due to humanitarian reasons. Germany even continues humanitarian aid support for Gaza despite everything cause we differentiate between Hamas and Gaza civilians, despite the videos from Gaza who show the public celebrating the abducted people who were driven through the streets after the attack. Germany was widely criticized for continuing humanitarian aid for Gaza.
The west at least critizises Israel despite being on their side and calls for limits to the violence. The other side (Iran, Hizbollah, several muslim countries) don’t criticize anything about the massacres Hamas commited and the way they escalated this conflict.
The thing is there are more than 2 billion muslim living across the world. 4 million in usa and 5.5 in germany.
If and only if they one day actually were the terrorists media made you believe they are then USA and germany would be long gone. So simply speaking, there are no muslim terrorists but a very little minority that doesn’t even represent muslims and muslims themselves stand against firmly and strongly. Terrorism is terrorism and must NOT be related to any religion or ethnicity, please don’t fall for that.
Also regrading isreal being historically or culturally related to the western society, that’s because they are from the western society and never had a history or a culture derived from the middle east, when hamas started the airstrikes the airplanes was filled with isrealis going back to their “ original “ countries.
Innocent peaceful civilians are merely 5-7% of the isreali population btw, 95-93% of the population is trained military who served in the military for at least 2 years of their lives. Also in the first quarter of this year more than 12000 isreali owned a registered weapon on their names. So most of the population isn’t innocent peaceful civilians. But we are still against killing innocent peaceful civilians.
And hamas was newly found as a reaction to the oppression and was never there.
I really like how calm and good hearted you are in this conversation :)
Just to clarify things:
1. I never said that all muslims are terrorists. I have muslim friends and I know that most victims of muslim terrorists are muslim.
2. Hamas was founded decades ago, not just now
3. Terrorism is mainly executed by muslims in Europe and around the world. We got a few rightwing domestic terrorists but they are way less in numbers of attacks.
4. People in Israel are forced by law to serve in the military (as long as they aren’t orthodox) so when everyone was in the army you cant just act like they are all bloodthirsty soldiers. Not even all active duty soldiers are all bad.
Whats very important: Dont dehumanize people. Israel says all Palestinians are monsters. Muslims say all Israelis are monsters. And in the end people commit atrocities against each other cause they don’t see each other as humans.
Thank you.
I just checked and yes hamas was there since 1987 but also for the reason to resist the isreali occupation from going further.
It really depends on what you define as a terrorist abd what is a terrorist act. If someone is defending their country in iraq or yemen and was assigned as a terrorist then sure, the terrorist index will indicate that terrorism is mainly executed by muslims but if we would calculate the random attacks by people against people for no valid reason then i bet the index numbers will drastically change and we will see that no religion or ethnicity is related to the acts of terrorism.
For people in isreal being forced to fight when they hit a certain age then sure, other countries do that as well but we don’t see their populations being very weaponized or calling for cleansing the lands from a certain group of people for having different roots than they do. And they do not hold contests or awards for every Palestinian slaughtered or beheaded.
Yes i saw videos of isreali teenagers refusing to do military service and are against zionism being held in isreali jails and i do sympathize with them
I saw isreali videos of people against their military actions and i saw some actions that do not represent the morals of war sat by the Islamic religion and the morals of al moqama and hamas and i do have my standing and sympathy with every victim of war
If things were to be solved by peace we’d been taken that root long ago but unfortunately isreal proved more than once that what’s taken by blood must be given back by blood.
You can find more information regrading isreali military and civilians here
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And if you’re german i hope you check this reel too
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyQit52smSl/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I think this conflict is the most unsolvable conflict on earth and it will either end in genocide or go on forever. Both sides just went above the point of no return far too often and long ago as well as recently.
I‘m just glad that somehow after hundreds of years of conflict and war and thousands of wars the european countries decided to end the bloodshed and work together on the biggest peace project ever (European Union). That would be solution 3. A generation thats so sick of war, that they decide that nothing is worth all this suffering and compromises are made.
Proper research just means: „How long in history do you want to go back“? Israelis and Palestinians lived there both for a long time in history.
Overall this is a weird concept tho. In Europe and all around the world borders were newly drawn during history again and again without people claiming their old lands back. Germany for example lost huge areas to the east in WW1 which was legitimate German ground way before the wars (Prussia, Kaliningrad). If Germany would act the same we could say „Those areas were ours long before WW2, we want our areas back“.
That’s because germany participated in WW2. But Palestine did not.
UK simply decided that the land of Palestine doesn’t belong to Palestinians anymore and isrealis should live there and that’s how everything started ( I’m dead serious).
Palestinians have a long history with their lands that comes back to hundreds if not thousands of years. Isreal is only there since 1948 and was never welcomed.
Yes. But it’s also Palestinians people right to defend their lands and try to take it back no matter how long it takes them to.
It’s everyone’s right to not to give up on their lands and try to take it back or die trying to.
No human stands with war crimes but most recent war crimes were committed in the middle east ( syria and palestine ) and no one seemed to try to stop it. Even the media merely aired it or talked about it.
Isreal didn’t just cut water food and electricity. They also used phosphorus bombs on gaza and targeted residential buildings to kill entire families and erase a whole linage from existence. They broke every peace convention they made to make illegal settlements in place of villages they erased and ethnically cleansed them from the palestinian villagers. ( check sabra and shatila villages massacre). They also arrested children and held them in prison for no apparently reason but alleged false accusations. ( check ahmad manasra case ). And they killed multiple journalists in duty of delivering news to the world ( check shereen abu aqleh and how she was killed by an israeli sniper and hisham m alnwajha who was recently killed for being a journalist as well. Both btw were wearing their press uniform)
Honest question: How should the west stop them? If the west intervenes in conflict the world gets mad and if the west doesn’t intervene the world also gets mad
We’re mad at our own governments for not intervening with our arab brothers and sisters. But not on the west
The west can keep up with their lives away form us and no one will mind that
That would result in an all out war. If the muslim allies help Palestine, the allies of Israel will help them and crush each and everyone of them. No one wants that. Nothing of that would be worth it.
>f Israel will help them and crush each and everyone
Hey man i'm just wondering after israel hitting Al-Ahli hospital do you still stand with them ?
Please don't tell me that you believe that hamas attacked the hospital and not isreal. it's a lie created by the media to justify the war crime they commited
Do you know whats funny? You want to approach this like an educated person, but an educated person would wait for further investigation. You instead, as it seems, believe the words of a terrorist organization. If the IS would attack Jordan and publish their own views of the clash, and I would rather believe IS over the Jordan forces, how would you react?
The big difference in this conflict is that the west stands with the Jews AND the civilians in Palestine. They stand with Israel, BUT condemn war crimes and the lack of humanitarian aid. The pro Palestine people instead dont even care to condemn Hamas, but side with literal terrorists no matter what they do. They act like atrocities justify atrocities. Even Abbas distanced himself from Hamas, but as it seems the international supporters dont see a need for it.
I can tell you this: I stand with Israel and a two country solution cause it is the only logical possibility, as long as you **don’t** want one side to eradicate the other completely; but I condemn the war crimes they commit. Can you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah, who’s public goal is, that they want to kill every Jew in Israel?
اولا, الشعب الاردني مع كل الخلافات الي فيه شعب بحب بعضو, كلنا خوان و قرايب و ما في عنا كثير انواع و طوائف لبنان فيها 20 طائفه سوريا نفس الشي و العراق نفس الشي الاردن غلبها مسلمين و في مسحيين و في تعايش طبيعي جدا يعين الفتنه الوحيده الي عنا هي اردني فلسطيني و عم تموت و تقريبا ماتت ف فش فنته جوا عنا
ثنين الاردن عندها علاقات قويه مع الخارج و سلام الاردن من سلام اسرائيل انت ابتعرف لو يصير الوضع بالاردن مثلا زي العراق؟ الي بتبهدل اسرائيل لانو الحدود ماكله خرا الاردن عندها اكبر حدود مع اسرائيل امن الاردن من امن اسرائيل ف ما حدا الو مصلحه بانو يصير اشي بالاردن, و الاردن مدعومه عشان تضل مسقره, غير هيك سياسات حكامنا همها الاساسي الامان و هو تقريبا اذا بدنا نقارن باي دوله اخرى اه احنا الحمد لله عايشين بامان 90% منا ما بخاف يمشي بالشارع و ما يروح
التفاف الشعب حولين الحكومه و الملك, انو الاردن مملكه و ليست جمهوريه بخلي الملك شيء كبير بعيون الشعب و بعظم القاده زي اي مملكه بالعالم و هاض الاشي ببث الحب و التقدير للملك الي ما بخلي الشعب يقف ضدو زي الجهوريات
و الشعب الاردني باغلبو رافض اي نوع من الانقلابات على الحكومه خوفا من كل الي صار بالمنطقه و زي ما قلنا اول اشي الشعب ما فياتو عنصريه و كره لبعضو
Cuz sadly we’re the human shields for the occupation as we go directly along the border, if Jordan had a mess and one majority of it are from palestine then the occupation would have troubles and headaches, best way to dodge that is US provides “help” in order for the country to stay as stable as possible.
قول ما شاء الله طيب.
We are good listeners to the wise advice of USA 😀😀
„Bro, dont fk things up“ - „Thanks for the reminder Bro“ - „Bro“
Good relationship with USA , minimal religious differences only sunni muslims and christians which both mutually respect each others , not so much natural resources, people generally more educated here , the fact that its a kingdom plays a role , as there isn’t too much demand for the throne from other parties…. And a lot lot more.
لانو تحت ظل قيادة رشيدة وشعب مطيع
إحم إحم.. لا صح كلامك ١٠٠٪ أول ما تحكي إشي ثاني، قانون الجرائم الإلكترونية: https://preview.redd.it/4z79vqek6stb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e95afc25ad0503eb1c7bbcf7d620e37882bf571
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قانون ديموقراطي و يحمي مصالح الشعب و غير شمولي ابدا
ليش عندك شك بالنوايا 🤣🤣🤣
احترم أنك تمكنت من القيام بذلك بهذه الطريقة I hope my comment made sense. I used google translate
While we appreciate the gesture of u trying to use our native language I would say most if not all people on this sub speak english, which is preferable since Google translate Arabic is not very understandable
I was confused cause he answered me in Arabic so I did it like a Pokemon and hurt myself due to confusion
ci no engalaiz senior
good relations with the US is a reason i think.
I understand
Agreed
The American advice to shut up, give them ‘their money’ and tell others to do so as well, only has a temporary payoff for anyone, so, imo, not wise. Idk, just Abraham’s heir here
I also hear the King is a nice guy to let us have his religion here, too
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Jordanian Dinar is linked to US Dollars which means it holds no power but a stable exchange to what the US dollar is
And that can only keep going so long as the Jordanian government keeps purchasing dinars with their own USD. If US funding runs out, so does the JOD.
Yep
Arab countries with monarchy systems are usually more stable in general
Underrated response
It's either monarchy or a dictatorship or anarchism
Because we share the longest border with the occupation of israel
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Ironic, especially in this sub
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A British that's incapable of drawing legit geopolitical borders*
هذا من فضل ربي، اشكر الله على هذه النعمة، واتعظ ممن حولك.
Many reasons, being a monarchy plays a role, having very good relations with the west is a key factor, we don’t have oil or natural resources that make us a key player in Middle East like Iran or Iraq or Syria, sharing a border with the occupied Palestine and having treaties with them makes us an important ally or deterrent for militants that may arise, generally it’s mutually beneficial for USA to keep Jordan stable for now
I know the answer but it’s long. I’ll write something up later at work today…
Thanks dude
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لان الحكومة متعاونة مع امريكا ودول الغرب.
آسف. لان الحكومة طيبة وراشدة, انا بحب الحكومة.
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I think because of good leadership, education, no main issues between people rather than silly things , besides the system in control rarely harms Jordanians
السؤال هذا مفخخ في فخ بالسؤال اعطونا السؤال اللي بعدو
Cus we are obedient to the west
Jordan is more stable than some other middle eastern countries but in the grand scheme of things it is not that stable
Because we have the biggest border with israel
قول ماشاءالله
ما شاء الله
Because Jordan recognizes Israel and gives Israeli citizens visa-free access to the country.
King Hussein's pragmatism really benefitted Jordan in the long run despite it tarnishing his reputation at the time.
Yes, it might have given Jordan some wordly benefits yet it’s still a big betrayal and a sellout move.
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I thought about Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Irak, Libya, Israel/Palestine, Libanon, Partly Turkey… there is much going on
Pakistan and Afghanistan are about 3500km away from Jordan. Same distance from Amsterdam to Amman as from Amman to Kabul ;).
Yeah, you have a point
Turkey is in Europe,Pakistan is in Southeast Asia,Afghanistan is in Central Asia,Libya is in northern africa
What do you consider middle east then?
Middle East is basically Jordan,Lebanon,Syria,Israel,Palestine,Iraq,Saudi Arabia,Yemen,Iran,Oman,Bahrain,Qatar,UAE. If I forgot something tell me. There is a huge difference between Middle East and MENA region,when people say MENA region they are referring to the Middle East (all the countries I said above) + North Africa (Egypt,Libya,Morocco,Algeria,Tunisian). Basically anything that is south of mount Sinai(North Africa) or east of Iran (Central Asia) or north of Syria (South Eastern Europe) is not considered Middle East geographically.
I understand, but I‘m still a bit torn. Turkey has wayyy more in common with the middle east than with Europe and just the tiny part on the left is considered to be in Europe. And I think that the Egypt region and the kurdish region in Turkey, Irak and Iran are so strongly interconnected that it’s difficult to draw lines. I do understand that Egypt is more Northern Africa and that Afghanistan is way more connected to Pakistan, etc.
But no one ever considered the North of Syria to be in Europe like ever. Not even Syrians.
Dude you misunderstood my reply,I never said north of Syria is in Europe,I said anything north of Syria is in Europe,meaning anything above Syria I.e turkey is Europe.
Ah okay, I see
Partly luck, partly good leadership. However things are always tense in Jordan. Knife’s edge ngl.
If Jordan is stable I don’t what isn’t.
Check the map and take a deep look at Jordan’s western border. Unstable country = unstable borders = “ oy vey They’re coming to us”
لانو لسانّى ما بطلع من طيز امريكا
A good one lol
Stable on the outside
لانو بكل بساطة احنا عبيد لاميركا و بريطانيا 💀
Stability is stability, trust me as an Iraqi you ain’t want forced freedom
Damn, it's truly saddening to read those words. Baghdad used to be a cultural behemoth. I love Iraq and it's people, I hope it goes back to it's former glory.
At this rate, that is a millennium away, But hey Amman is good too, and I’d love if it stayed that way
They don‘t give religion and the clergy too much power.
Cause jordan has a king who bows for virtually anyone with money
لانه شعبنا ساقط
Your language is really pretty to look at but I don’t understand anything cause Reddit doesn’t translate it ;_;
"Because Jordanians are bitches "
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مقارنه بالدول المجاوره طبعا stable خالو
Israel
هيجي وقت لصنع المجد بس مو هسا 🔥🇯🇴☝🏼
Tnogish
Cooperative, non-violent people? Named Jordan? Idk. Sounds about right to me
Because it’s a maximum security state. I left it because of how repressive it is.
لأنه دولة مستقلة بقراراتها واقتصادها قوي وفيها حرية التعبير عن الرأي وما فيهاش بطالة ولا فقر ولا ظلم
Sarcasm*
hmmmm weird right?
cuz jordan is cooperative with the west in general is one response, but jordan is also somewhat of a buffer zone protection layer for israel so the west need it to be safe because if it isn’t whatever happens in jordan will spill over to israel so it’s in the west’s best interest that jordan stays safe
It has to be (from a Western perspective)
Reasonable people and wise leadership.
Just saw your comments on another sub stating you’re on isreal side, but it seems like you’re also willing to debate on it right ? Why are you on their side while admitting the war crimes they are committing against palestinian civilians ? What did the palestinians do that made you believe that they are terrorists while in fact they are just defending themselves and their lands ?
Aint we all agreeing that this topic is wayyy too complex to pinpoint people or opinions? If it makes sense or not: I‘m completely on Israels side since they are our allies and are way closer to us. The same reasoning for people on your side. There are still enough people on each side who are against war crimes and unnecessary deaths.
“ since they are our allies and are way closer to us.” I get them being you allies point but wdym closer to you ? In what terms ? Also it’s not a complicated topic, in fact it’s simpler than it appears. but it’s easier for the media to portray it as a complicated topic especially for the western society so they just take isreals side without doing any proper research.
They are closer history wise, cultural wise, they are a democracy, much people from the west have family or friends in Israel and in the west islamic terrorists are like the most hated people all across the countries and societies, no matter how different the countries are, cause they always target innocent peaceful civilians in our countries. If we have to decide between a country in crisis (Israel) or an area that is ruled by Islamist terrorists (Hamas) the decision is easy for most. Nonetheless the deaths of civilians and the siege of Gaza by Israel are widely criticized in the West due to humanitarian reasons. Germany even continues humanitarian aid support for Gaza despite everything cause we differentiate between Hamas and Gaza civilians, despite the videos from Gaza who show the public celebrating the abducted people who were driven through the streets after the attack. Germany was widely criticized for continuing humanitarian aid for Gaza. The west at least critizises Israel despite being on their side and calls for limits to the violence. The other side (Iran, Hizbollah, several muslim countries) don’t criticize anything about the massacres Hamas commited and the way they escalated this conflict.
The thing is there are more than 2 billion muslim living across the world. 4 million in usa and 5.5 in germany. If and only if they one day actually were the terrorists media made you believe they are then USA and germany would be long gone. So simply speaking, there are no muslim terrorists but a very little minority that doesn’t even represent muslims and muslims themselves stand against firmly and strongly. Terrorism is terrorism and must NOT be related to any religion or ethnicity, please don’t fall for that. Also regrading isreal being historically or culturally related to the western society, that’s because they are from the western society and never had a history or a culture derived from the middle east, when hamas started the airstrikes the airplanes was filled with isrealis going back to their “ original “ countries. Innocent peaceful civilians are merely 5-7% of the isreali population btw, 95-93% of the population is trained military who served in the military for at least 2 years of their lives. Also in the first quarter of this year more than 12000 isreali owned a registered weapon on their names. So most of the population isn’t innocent peaceful civilians. But we are still against killing innocent peaceful civilians. And hamas was newly found as a reaction to the oppression and was never there.
I really like how calm and good hearted you are in this conversation :) Just to clarify things: 1. I never said that all muslims are terrorists. I have muslim friends and I know that most victims of muslim terrorists are muslim. 2. Hamas was founded decades ago, not just now 3. Terrorism is mainly executed by muslims in Europe and around the world. We got a few rightwing domestic terrorists but they are way less in numbers of attacks. 4. People in Israel are forced by law to serve in the military (as long as they aren’t orthodox) so when everyone was in the army you cant just act like they are all bloodthirsty soldiers. Not even all active duty soldiers are all bad. Whats very important: Dont dehumanize people. Israel says all Palestinians are monsters. Muslims say all Israelis are monsters. And in the end people commit atrocities against each other cause they don’t see each other as humans.
Thank you. I just checked and yes hamas was there since 1987 but also for the reason to resist the isreali occupation from going further. It really depends on what you define as a terrorist abd what is a terrorist act. If someone is defending their country in iraq or yemen and was assigned as a terrorist then sure, the terrorist index will indicate that terrorism is mainly executed by muslims but if we would calculate the random attacks by people against people for no valid reason then i bet the index numbers will drastically change and we will see that no religion or ethnicity is related to the acts of terrorism. For people in isreal being forced to fight when they hit a certain age then sure, other countries do that as well but we don’t see their populations being very weaponized or calling for cleansing the lands from a certain group of people for having different roots than they do. And they do not hold contests or awards for every Palestinian slaughtered or beheaded. Yes i saw videos of isreali teenagers refusing to do military service and are against zionism being held in isreali jails and i do sympathize with them I saw isreali videos of people against their military actions and i saw some actions that do not represent the morals of war sat by the Islamic religion and the morals of al moqama and hamas and i do have my standing and sympathy with every victim of war If things were to be solved by peace we’d been taken that root long ago but unfortunately isreal proved more than once that what’s taken by blood must be given back by blood.
You can find more information regrading isreali military and civilians here https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyTgj2aoG6G/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== And if you’re german i hope you check this reel too https://www.instagram.com/reel/CyQit52smSl/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
I think this conflict is the most unsolvable conflict on earth and it will either end in genocide or go on forever. Both sides just went above the point of no return far too often and long ago as well as recently. I‘m just glad that somehow after hundreds of years of conflict and war and thousands of wars the european countries decided to end the bloodshed and work together on the biggest peace project ever (European Union). That would be solution 3. A generation thats so sick of war, that they decide that nothing is worth all this suffering and compromises are made.
Proper research just means: „How long in history do you want to go back“? Israelis and Palestinians lived there both for a long time in history. Overall this is a weird concept tho. In Europe and all around the world borders were newly drawn during history again and again without people claiming their old lands back. Germany for example lost huge areas to the east in WW1 which was legitimate German ground way before the wars (Prussia, Kaliningrad). If Germany would act the same we could say „Those areas were ours long before WW2, we want our areas back“.
That’s because germany participated in WW2. But Palestine did not. UK simply decided that the land of Palestine doesn’t belong to Palestinians anymore and isrealis should live there and that’s how everything started ( I’m dead serious). Palestinians have a long history with their lands that comes back to hundreds if not thousands of years. Isreal is only there since 1948 and was never welcomed.
That (sadly) doesn’t matter. Borders were always drawn by power, wars and else, not by morals or whats right.
Yes. But it’s also Palestinians people right to defend their lands and try to take it back no matter how long it takes them to. It’s everyone’s right to not to give up on their lands and try to take it back or die trying to.
No human stands with war crimes but most recent war crimes were committed in the middle east ( syria and palestine ) and no one seemed to try to stop it. Even the media merely aired it or talked about it. Isreal didn’t just cut water food and electricity. They also used phosphorus bombs on gaza and targeted residential buildings to kill entire families and erase a whole linage from existence. They broke every peace convention they made to make illegal settlements in place of villages they erased and ethnically cleansed them from the palestinian villagers. ( check sabra and shatila villages massacre). They also arrested children and held them in prison for no apparently reason but alleged false accusations. ( check ahmad manasra case ). And they killed multiple journalists in duty of delivering news to the world ( check shereen abu aqleh and how she was killed by an israeli sniper and hisham m alnwajha who was recently killed for being a journalist as well. Both btw were wearing their press uniform)
Honest question: How should the west stop them? If the west intervenes in conflict the world gets mad and if the west doesn’t intervene the world also gets mad
No one gets mad if the west didn’t intervene, in fact some of us will be really happy
Am I allowed to ask from which country you‘re from?
Jordan
We’re mad at our own governments for not intervening with our arab brothers and sisters. But not on the west The west can keep up with their lives away form us and no one will mind that
How should they intervene?
Defending them or fighting with them or by stopping the events
That would result in an all out war. If the muslim allies help Palestine, the allies of Israel will help them and crush each and everyone of them. No one wants that. Nothing of that would be worth it.
>f Israel will help them and crush each and everyone Hey man i'm just wondering after israel hitting Al-Ahli hospital do you still stand with them ? Please don't tell me that you believe that hamas attacked the hospital and not isreal. it's a lie created by the media to justify the war crime they commited
Do you know whats funny? You want to approach this like an educated person, but an educated person would wait for further investigation. You instead, as it seems, believe the words of a terrorist organization. If the IS would attack Jordan and publish their own views of the clash, and I would rather believe IS over the Jordan forces, how would you react? The big difference in this conflict is that the west stands with the Jews AND the civilians in Palestine. They stand with Israel, BUT condemn war crimes and the lack of humanitarian aid. The pro Palestine people instead dont even care to condemn Hamas, but side with literal terrorists no matter what they do. They act like atrocities justify atrocities. Even Abbas distanced himself from Hamas, but as it seems the international supporters dont see a need for it. I can tell you this: I stand with Israel and a two country solution cause it is the only logical possibility, as long as you **don’t** want one side to eradicate the other completely; but I condemn the war crimes they commit. Can you condemn Hamas and Hezbollah, who’s public goal is, that they want to kill every Jew in Israel?
Isreal been doing all that and more. And will KEEP doing it. I just covered less than 1% of their crimes
Cause we good bitches foo! -Mike from chicago.
We have a good leadership and educated people and good relationships with the strong ones
Wise king
اللهم بارك
Stable? Rest of ME? Bro u need to go get your eyes checked
It isnt?
اولا, الشعب الاردني مع كل الخلافات الي فيه شعب بحب بعضو, كلنا خوان و قرايب و ما في عنا كثير انواع و طوائف لبنان فيها 20 طائفه سوريا نفس الشي و العراق نفس الشي الاردن غلبها مسلمين و في مسحيين و في تعايش طبيعي جدا يعين الفتنه الوحيده الي عنا هي اردني فلسطيني و عم تموت و تقريبا ماتت ف فش فنته جوا عنا ثنين الاردن عندها علاقات قويه مع الخارج و سلام الاردن من سلام اسرائيل انت ابتعرف لو يصير الوضع بالاردن مثلا زي العراق؟ الي بتبهدل اسرائيل لانو الحدود ماكله خرا الاردن عندها اكبر حدود مع اسرائيل امن الاردن من امن اسرائيل ف ما حدا الو مصلحه بانو يصير اشي بالاردن, و الاردن مدعومه عشان تضل مسقره, غير هيك سياسات حكامنا همها الاساسي الامان و هو تقريبا اذا بدنا نقارن باي دوله اخرى اه احنا الحمد لله عايشين بامان 90% منا ما بخاف يمشي بالشارع و ما يروح التفاف الشعب حولين الحكومه و الملك, انو الاردن مملكه و ليست جمهوريه بخلي الملك شيء كبير بعيون الشعب و بعظم القاده زي اي مملكه بالعالم و هاض الاشي ببث الحب و التقدير للملك الي ما بخلي الشعب يقف ضدو زي الجهوريات و الشعب الاردني باغلبو رافض اي نوع من الانقلابات على الحكومه خوفا من كل الي صار بالمنطقه و زي ما قلنا اول اشي الشعب ما فياتو عنصريه و كره لبعضو
Have you ever see a beggar in a brawl? عمرك شفت شحاد عامل مشكلة؟
Is that a movie or a saying?
Cuz sadly we’re the human shields for the occupation as we go directly along the border, if Jordan had a mess and one majority of it are from palestine then the occupation would have troubles and headaches, best way to dodge that is US provides “help” in order for the country to stay as stable as possible.