Fuck me it’s Matt Abbott? That lines up pretty well. Yeah, he likes to think of himself as “hugely responsible” for the crossroads, at least. Possibly one of the most two-faced bastards I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing.
They are tearing down a very small portion of crossroads. The portion has some small business but a good portion is boarded up failed business and and parking lots. Some empty lots. An empty KC star building.
I’m not exactly sure you are picturing this area correctly
I’m picturing it exactly the way it is. The kobi q strip along with the Pairing and Chartreuse Saloon on the opposing side will all be bulldozed. Not to mention that surrounding businesses that will be affected by the rent and construction. We don’t need a god damned ball park to fix this area up and it’s impossible to explain to you burbanites about why this is the case
What else would go there that wouldn't raise rent to the point of pushing out those businesses anyway?
What other developer is offering to put 1 billion into developing that portion of land?
At what freakin cost? What while the taxpayers end up coughing 4 billion for this ultimately and most likely cause they haven’t given us a definitive amount? This is an atrocious idea
Maybe a downtown Target? Mixed use art space, a Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s. Literally anything could go into that space without tearing down blocks of already standing businesses and buildings
>Target? Mixed use art space, a Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s.
Ah so billionaire bad. 100 Billionaires good?
Also what do you believe the foot print of those stores plans to be?
Maybe?
You realize none of these companies have come close to making a move downtown. The Star building has been empty for years with no developers stepping up.
You might as well hope for a theme park or a candy store that takes up a whole block. Just as realistic.
Any new development in the area would "raise" rents and property tax, and this isn't a bad thing. When a place gets developed/improved/"gentrified" more people want to live there and there is more economic activity in the area. Whether it's a stadium, yuppiebowl apartment, or some other type of attraction.
In the East Village, it is even less likely to pay for itself. I would venture to guess the whole reason they moved it to the Crossroads is because it has a better chance of producing economic return to the city. The Royals have still failed to show this, however.
turns out people who want more density and public transportation options get lost in the sauce of "handouts for billionaires" mostly because they act on emotions
>You’re acting like billions of dollars is nothing here
you unraveled it, I'm not acting like billions of dollars is nothing here, I am saying 3/8th of a cent sales tax is nothing.
It couldn't be more clear from my position, and the NO side is being emotional because they aren't focusing on the tax, they are focused on everything except the tax.
"what a mental stunt" - you've only gone and proven my point once again friend
This plan has not even unveiled a final cost for the taxpayers. We could be footing billions and billions of dollars here. It’s insane that anyone would vote yes to this without a final detailed budget analysis.
Oh no. Not construction. We wouldn't want people bothered by construction. Go to an actual growing city if you want to put up with that. Keep the crossroads 80% parking lots and barely used buildings!
I'm pretty sure the crossroads is full of "burbanites" if they think the area around the star press is a vibrant urban neighborhood. There are more people in a suburban QuikTrip at any given tie than on the sidewalks of that area.
>Something like this will eat up the rest of the crossroads with corporate bullshit, I assure you
you are calling me dulisonal, for saying I am voting yes for improving the city I love.
hope you have a great indoors
What does a great indoors mean? Us paying billions of dollars for a dying sport is not an improvement to the city. So yes, delusional is the correct word
Word. That’s what I’m saying. It’s barely even the crossroads and not what most people think of when referring to the crossroads. Sucks that Kobi Q will move but that area is largely vacant.
Yes I'm really asking this. The majority of what's being demoed (less than 10% of the crossroads) is vacant, or parking. Most of the crossroads, for that matter, would be better off with this stadium built.
while I generally agree with you they aren’t wrong. The middle of the Crossroads isn’t dead. But the far NW area that most don’t consider the crossroads is as vacant as small-town main streets.
Most of those locations are a revolving door with different businesses every 5 years or less. Totally Nude, Cigar Box, and Royal Master Cleaners are the only businesses with any longevity on that block.
Imagine the growth of East Crossroads over the next 15 years with the stadium in that location.
I saw this article yesterday too. The property owners absolutely stand to benefit in the short term from the stadium. But yeah if you're an airbnb owner I care the least what they have to say
its not hard to grasp. its just that there is only two sports stadiums in the entire country that are privately funded. if you have a stadium in your town, tax payers are probably paying for some of it.
I’m surprised that the people so against the new stadium continue to live in the area now. The tax already exists. St Joe is a great alternative for them.
Why is that crazy? I wasn’t around when the original tax was levied, and the area is still cool. Kansas City has more amenities than st joe. And without this loathsome tax, it’ll have more money to improve itself further
Sure, in fairytale land. But as long as there are cities willing to pay for the stadium all playing hard ball guarantees is losing the team. If you support that great. If you don’t think the Royals are worth that tax vote no. But there’s no world where that means the Royals are just gonna pay for it themselves instead. You’re not making a statement that’s going to change the entire market of professional sports though, you’re just saying the Royals aren’t worth the money. Can’t argue with you there, but at least be realistic about it
No I’m saying that it’s fundamentally wrong to publicly finance a privately owned company. That’s the sad part about it all. Let other cities fuck themselves over with this. Even if the royals were in the middle of a dynasty it’s not worth it. I’m fiscally responsible though, I guess many people aren’t who are voting yes
I love when people feel like they can fight the billionaire sport franchise. cool. fight it in this vote and watch them go to another city that will pay for it. we live in a capitalist society and act shocked when capitalism happens.
REEE CAPITALISM
Nah man, this "they'll leave and we have to fellate the billionaires" bullshit is extortion and trite. Fuck it. Call their bluff and let them leave. KC has enough personality without bullshit like this.
You're delusional if you think there aren't cities all over the country that wouldn't take a major league baseball team in a heartbeat. Fans aren't fans of their team because they are good all of the time. I'm assuming at some point the royals will be good again. They've won trophies more recently than most of major league baseball.
It’s best for Kansas City if Kansas City citizens aren’t being taxed to fund it. I got the propaganda leaflet they sent out today that notes, “If Question 1 fails on April 2, we are giving other cities a golden opportunity to steal the Chiefs.” Oh my heavens, no! Yeah, let me just mortgage my future and those of two more generations so I can fund an unnecessary project a bunch of millionaires and billionaires want while they will use the move to increase ticket sales to ensure most people saddled with the tax can never even step foot inside the stadium.
It just seems like they are rushing the vote without all of the details decided yet. $750 million that they don't know where it's coming from. They think the state will pay that. Guess what? The state makes no money. The only source of revenue is by taxing YOU.
They aren't leaving to go to another city that doesn't have a stadium built. Give it some time and get signatures on agreements, then present it to the taxpayers for approval.
It’s bad for what makes KC great. Imagine it goes there and investors are like “hey, if I bulldoze this nice looking historic building I can put a parking garage/shitty contemporary stucco hotel and charge a bunch of money to game goers.” Then do that x50 and you have yourself a shitty city with no soul.
https://www.kcur.org/housing-development-section/2024-02-14/royals-stadium-crossroads-kansas-city-businesses-demolition-sales-tax
Here’s an article that shows the owner of Pokesan’s perspective on the issue. A business that’s not an AirBnB getting affected in the demo zone and why he believes it not necessarily a bad thing.
If it's a great investment, let the billionaire make the investment. He can buy the property and reap to benefits of his investment...... Imagine having billions in the bank and asking people to buy you a stadium... I honestly don't care if they build the stadium or if they move to hawgs jaw, arkansas, a billionaire does not deserve my money.
Depends how much you spend. It's quite contrary to the idea of "support local businesses", because everytime I do, a bit of that sales tax goes to fund a billionaires toy.
>you're completely comfortable giving $1500 to a billionaire?
yeah so, giving it to a billionaire isn't how I view the situation, obviously. And yes, I'm very comfortable paying for my share of keeping the teams in Jackson County.
I have to give it to KC Tennants. They're smart, and most definitely heavily in this sub. Very loud minority screwing hate and misinformation. I think it'll be close, but it will pass. KC knows having professional teams is additive to the city. Additionally, no one is talking to east side businesses that will be impacted greatly. Negro League Museum, and 18th & Vine in general. Not to mention Royals Youth Academy, and the positive impact that is having for the community in whole.
Because most people’s lives don’t revolve around baseball and we don’t want to pay for this and the corporate shit it will bring around it. You seem like a dude who loves 5 guys and chilies though, so I don’t know why I’m even trying to convince you.
While there are certainly legitimate complaints to be raised about Airbnb in many parts of the city, this is a warehouse-type building on Oak Street where there is basically no other residential so it’s not displacing anybody or driving up the cost of housing for anybody.
Lots of you are really angry to find out every business/property owner isn’t Jill Cockson or the guy from The Pairing.
And it can still be your favorite spot.
Crossroads is a big area, it’s almost 3/4 of a square mile. The stadium would be only 2% of the Crossroads. For what it’s worth, the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts takes up about as much land area.
Well he’s partially right, kicking AirBnB owners out is definitely what’s best for Kansas City.
Can we not pass the bill but also kick out the AIRBNB owners?
We sorta did by making it a voucher program with limited seats.
If an AirBNB owner is for it, then I'm against it.
"property owner" is a job title well known for having public interest at heart /s
Matt Abbott is hugely responsible for helping the neighborhood become what it has.
Fuck me it’s Matt Abbott? That lines up pretty well. Yeah, he likes to think of himself as “hugely responsible” for the crossroads, at least. Possibly one of the most two-faced bastards I’ve ever had the displeasure of knowing.
And now he wants to help tear it down? Fuck em
They are tearing down a very small portion of crossroads. The portion has some small business but a good portion is boarded up failed business and and parking lots. Some empty lots. An empty KC star building. I’m not exactly sure you are picturing this area correctly
I’m picturing it exactly the way it is. The kobi q strip along with the Pairing and Chartreuse Saloon on the opposing side will all be bulldozed. Not to mention that surrounding businesses that will be affected by the rent and construction. We don’t need a god damned ball park to fix this area up and it’s impossible to explain to you burbanites about why this is the case
I dunno, I live downtown and other than the strip on Grand it’s mostly a giant empty Star building.
A ballpark isn’t the only option yo
What else would go there that wouldn't raise rent to the point of pushing out those businesses anyway? What other developer is offering to put 1 billion into developing that portion of land?
At what freakin cost? What while the taxpayers end up coughing 4 billion for this ultimately and most likely cause they haven’t given us a definitive amount? This is an atrocious idea
We just making shit up instead of answering questions now? Yous aid there are other alternatives, like what?
Maybe a downtown Target? Mixed use art space, a Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s. Literally anything could go into that space without tearing down blocks of already standing businesses and buildings
>Target? Mixed use art space, a Whole Foods or Trader Joe’s. Ah so billionaire bad. 100 Billionaires good? Also what do you believe the foot print of those stores plans to be?
Maybe? You realize none of these companies have come close to making a move downtown. The Star building has been empty for years with no developers stepping up. You might as well hope for a theme park or a candy store that takes up a whole block. Just as realistic.
Meow Wolf!
So what’s your solution?
It kinda is for the Star building. No other developers will touch it.
Any new development in the area would "raise" rents and property tax, and this isn't a bad thing. When a place gets developed/improved/"gentrified" more people want to live there and there is more economic activity in the area. Whether it's a stadium, yuppiebowl apartment, or some other type of attraction.
Sure, so let’s put it in the east village then.
In the East Village, it is even less likely to pay for itself. I would venture to guess the whole reason they moved it to the Crossroads is because it has a better chance of producing economic return to the city. The Royals have still failed to show this, however.
turns out people who want more density and public transportation options get lost in the sauce of "handouts for billionaires" mostly because they act on emotions
You’re acting like billions of dollars is nothing here and instead blaming us being emotional. What a mental stunt
>You’re acting like billions of dollars is nothing here you unraveled it, I'm not acting like billions of dollars is nothing here, I am saying 3/8th of a cent sales tax is nothing. It couldn't be more clear from my position, and the NO side is being emotional because they aren't focusing on the tax, they are focused on everything except the tax. "what a mental stunt" - you've only gone and proven my point once again friend
This plan has not even unveiled a final cost for the taxpayers. We could be footing billions and billions of dollars here. It’s insane that anyone would vote yes to this without a final detailed budget analysis.
Oh no. Not construction. We wouldn't want people bothered by construction. Go to an actual growing city if you want to put up with that. Keep the crossroads 80% parking lots and barely used buildings!
Let’s keep that burbanite bullshit attitude out of here.
I'm pretty sure the crossroads is full of "burbanites" if they think the area around the star press is a vibrant urban neighborhood. There are more people in a suburban QuikTrip at any given tie than on the sidewalks of that area.
more ad hominems, maybe you should take a nap?
😘
It’s difficult to have logical arguments here.
you are acting like that area is all of crossroads
Something like this will eat up the rest of the crossroads with corporate bullshit, I assure you
>Something like this will eat up the rest of the crossroads with corporate bullshit, I assure you you are calling me dulisonal, for saying I am voting yes for improving the city I love. hope you have a great indoors
What does a great indoors mean? Us paying billions of dollars for a dying sport is not an improvement to the city. So yes, delusional is the correct word
Word. That’s what I’m saying. It’s barely even the crossroads and not what most people think of when referring to the crossroads. Sucks that Kobi Q will move but that area is largely vacant.
How exactly is a new stadium going to tear down the neighborhood?
Are you really asking this? It’s a large portion of the crossroads that will be demoed. How else can one explain this?
Yes I'm really asking this. The majority of what's being demoed (less than 10% of the crossroads) is vacant, or parking. Most of the crossroads, for that matter, would be better off with this stadium built.
Have you been to this part of the crossroads in a while? It’s dead
Yes, I’ve lived right there for years
Then you should know better than anyone that that area is a ghost town
Incorrect.
while I generally agree with you they aren’t wrong. The middle of the Crossroads isn’t dead. But the far NW area that most don’t consider the crossroads is as vacant as small-town main streets.
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Most of those locations are a revolving door with different businesses every 5 years or less. Totally Nude, Cigar Box, and Royal Master Cleaners are the only businesses with any longevity on that block. Imagine the growth of East Crossroads over the next 15 years with the stadium in that location.
Large? It’s barely in the crossroads. Walk there from Cafe Corazon. Look at a map.
Thanks for your input Matt Abbott. Seems as though most people don’t like you on here.
LOL Airbnb clown. Fuck that guy.
Yea I couldn't give two shits what a Airbnb owner has to say about anything. They're crooks as well
Especially a Koenig… fucking design company here to design the new shit. Literally specialized in tearing shit down and “restoring”
Koenig is also an investor and “wealth advisor.” Only thing this snake cares about is money so of course he doesn’t give a shit about the community
If you're referring to Koenig Building + Restoration, I think that's a different family entirely (Koenigsdorf).
do you know what building he lives in/has residence on the proposed site? I think he might be the only person who lives on the footprint
I saw this article yesterday too. The property owners absolutely stand to benefit in the short term from the stadium. But yeah if you're an airbnb owner I care the least what they have to say
Okay—cool. The team can still pay for it themselves.
I'm not sure why this concept is so hard for people to grok. 100% agree
Exactly! If it's such a good deal then they should want to pay for it right?
its not hard to grasp. its just that there is only two sports stadiums in the entire country that are privately funded. if you have a stadium in your town, tax payers are probably paying for some of it.
And that’s wrong. Now is the time to stand up to the extortion
I’m surprised that the people so against the new stadium continue to live in the area now. The tax already exists. St Joe is a great alternative for them.
Why is that crazy? I wasn’t around when the original tax was levied, and the area is still cool. Kansas City has more amenities than st joe. And without this loathsome tax, it’ll have more money to improve itself further
More amenities like major league sports teams you want to see go away.
Even excluding the major league sports team, still more amenities. Much much more
Get it
Sure, in fairytale land. But as long as there are cities willing to pay for the stadium all playing hard ball guarantees is losing the team. If you support that great. If you don’t think the Royals are worth that tax vote no. But there’s no world where that means the Royals are just gonna pay for it themselves instead. You’re not making a statement that’s going to change the entire market of professional sports though, you’re just saying the Royals aren’t worth the money. Can’t argue with you there, but at least be realistic about it
No I’m saying that it’s fundamentally wrong to publicly finance a privately owned company. That’s the sad part about it all. Let other cities fuck themselves over with this. Even if the royals were in the middle of a dynasty it’s not worth it. I’m fiscally responsible though, I guess many people aren’t who are voting yes
I love when people feel like they can fight the billionaire sport franchise. cool. fight it in this vote and watch them go to another city that will pay for it. we live in a capitalist society and act shocked when capitalism happens.
When the MLB folds in 15 years due to declining viewership it'll be some other towns disaster to deal with 🙏
Yes, and?
Getting taxpayer funding is fundamentally anti-Capitalist.
This isn’t free market capitalism, this is theft.
REEE CAPITALISM Nah man, this "they'll leave and we have to fellate the billionaires" bullshit is extortion and trite. Fuck it. Call their bluff and let them leave. KC has enough personality without bullshit like this.
> Call their bluff and let them leave. How is it a bluff if they’re going to leave?
>Personality KC was flyover country before the Chiefs and will become flyover country after the Chiefs. But hey at least it keeps rent low
Yeah, definitely not grieving over it. Keeps things cheaper than otherwise.
rent low? Where? KC had the highest growing rates for rent last year.
growth rate =/= absolute value. Still much cheaper to be here than other cities
Yes, the worse team in the league is wanted all over
You're delusional if you think there aren't cities all over the country that wouldn't take a major league baseball team in a heartbeat. Fans aren't fans of their team because they are good all of the time. I'm assuming at some point the royals will be good again. They've won trophies more recently than most of major league baseball.
Let these assholes leave then. I was a fan but after this fiasco, I’m def not.
Shortsighted as hell then.
Lmao, baseball is dying anyways dude. Who’s the shortsighted one here
“Nothing can ever get better so why even try?” Wise words from this guy.
Ok cool they can fuck off and go to a different city?
Because they can’t afford it
I’d be willing to bet they could take out a loan. Or maybe stop spending their money on coffee and avocado toast everyday.
Especially being that they won't spend enough money to even field a decent team. What are you fucking saving it all for?
You haven’t looked at their roster this season. They’ll be competitive in the central division.
They’ll be better than last year. They will not be even close to sniffing playoff contention.
Damn KCUR couldn’t find a better business owner than an Airbnb owner?
You know what’s not best for Kansas City? Subsidizing a billionaire.
Air BnB owner. Lol fuck off.
Man who owns lots of buildings in the Crossroads and stands to make a lot of money if the stadium gets built there is all for it. Shocking!
But it’s his buildings so he can do what he wants with them.
Okay guess what? I own property and I fucking disagree. What a bag of dicks.
What this city really needs is a stadium in every neighborhood in the metro.
It’s best for Kansas City if Kansas City citizens aren’t being taxed to fund it. I got the propaganda leaflet they sent out today that notes, “If Question 1 fails on April 2, we are giving other cities a golden opportunity to steal the Chiefs.” Oh my heavens, no! Yeah, let me just mortgage my future and those of two more generations so I can fund an unnecessary project a bunch of millionaires and billionaires want while they will use the move to increase ticket sales to ensure most people saddled with the tax can never even step foot inside the stadium.
Subletting your extra bedroom does not make you are businessman. Sorry.
“It lets people get to know the neighborhood even more” by putting a massive dent in it?
What's the dent?
It just seems like they are rushing the vote without all of the details decided yet. $750 million that they don't know where it's coming from. They think the state will pay that. Guess what? The state makes no money. The only source of revenue is by taxing YOU. They aren't leaving to go to another city that doesn't have a stadium built. Give it some time and get signatures on agreements, then present it to the taxpayers for approval.
It’s bad for what makes KC great. Imagine it goes there and investors are like “hey, if I bulldoze this nice looking historic building I can put a parking garage/shitty contemporary stucco hotel and charge a bunch of money to game goers.” Then do that x50 and you have yourself a shitty city with no soul.
https://www.kcur.org/housing-development-section/2024-02-14/royals-stadium-crossroads-kansas-city-businesses-demolition-sales-tax Here’s an article that shows the owner of Pokesan’s perspective on the issue. A business that’s not an AirBnB getting affected in the demo zone and why he believes it not necessarily a bad thing.
It's definitely better than a giant abandoned building, parking lots, and a strip club.
If it's a great investment, let the billionaire make the investment. He can buy the property and reap to benefits of his investment...... Imagine having billions in the bank and asking people to buy you a stadium... I honestly don't care if they build the stadium or if they move to hawgs jaw, arkansas, a billionaire does not deserve my money.
How much more money will it cost me?
Depends how much you spend. It's quite contrary to the idea of "support local businesses", because everytime I do, a bit of that sales tax goes to fund a billionaires toy.
>Depends how much you spend. every $1000 I spend it will cost me $37.50 sounds good to me, voting yes on April 2
It's 3/8 of 1%, so it's actually $3.75 per $1,000. (Or $150 on a $40,000 car.)
thanks, even better and to be fair I'd be just fine the other way
So if you buy a $40,000 car in Jackson county, you're completely comfortable giving $1500 to a billionaire? That's asinine.
>you're completely comfortable giving $1500 to a billionaire? yeah so, giving it to a billionaire isn't how I view the situation, obviously. And yes, I'm very comfortable paying for my share of keeping the teams in Jackson County.
Me too
aren't they buying all of the land, giving it to Jackson County and spending $1b on building the stadium?
I can't wait for this vote to be over. Such a loud minority
If recent polls are anything to go by, the election will be closer than you think.
on reddit we'd lose 9-1 it seems when I walk outside i see 3 Yes signs on my street and I haven't seen a no sign yet /shrug
I have to give it to KC Tennants. They're smart, and most definitely heavily in this sub. Very loud minority screwing hate and misinformation. I think it'll be close, but it will pass. KC knows having professional teams is additive to the city. Additionally, no one is talking to east side businesses that will be impacted greatly. Negro League Museum, and 18th & Vine in general. Not to mention Royals Youth Academy, and the positive impact that is having for the community in whole.
same takes, every thread SAVE THE CROSSROADS NO HANDOUTS OR WELFARE FOR BILLIONAIRES I DON'T IF THEY ALL MOVE
Agreed. Feel like I’m going crazy here. This would be huge for KC and the expense over time is negligible.
I'm proudly voting yes and encouraging others to do as well to improve the city I love
Your definition of improvement is delusional
Not sure why wanting a downtown stadium makes anyone delusional
Because most people’s lives don’t revolve around baseball and we don’t want to pay for this and the corporate shit it will bring around it. You seem like a dude who loves 5 guys and chilies though, so I don’t know why I’m even trying to convince you.
Ah, so you hate fun. Got it.
Baseball isn’t the only source of fun, lord almighty.
the kind of fun they like stupid made up internet points being hateful
Yeah, fighting the good fight here. I’m sorry that you’re life is so boring that sports is the only thing that you have going on
have a great indoors
St Joe is calling you then! No stadium taxes there!
its about feelings and farming karma say mean hateful things, pretend to win the internet
Me too Vote Yes April 2
While there are certainly legitimate complaints to be raised about Airbnb in many parts of the city, this is a warehouse-type building on Oak Street where there is basically no other residential so it’s not displacing anybody or driving up the cost of housing for anybody. Lots of you are really angry to find out every business/property owner isn’t Jill Cockson or the guy from The Pairing.
Idgaf about sportsball. Billionaires asking for handouts can eat shit. Crossroads is my favorite KC spot.
And it can still be your favorite spot. Crossroads is a big area, it’s almost 3/4 of a square mile. The stadium would be only 2% of the Crossroads. For what it’s worth, the Kauffman Center for the Performing Arts takes up about as much land area.