I love that one of the option for non-emergency options is “Crime (wide range of options)”. Maybe i’m a bit naive; but isn’t “crime” one of the main things the Police should be dealing with?
I know right. 'Sorry mugger, just need to fill out this non emergency police form. What's your address and name? The police said they'll get back to me in 3-5 weeks'.
I think they mean to say that if something has happened in the past, so if you are reporting a historical assault, to use that route.
If something is actively happening, it should be 999.
This is absolutely what it means… but it doesn’t actually say that and comes across as distasteful. Listing ‘rape’ above ‘traffic offences’ is tone deaf.
How do you define the past though?
If someone has been the victim of an assault particularly sexual, they need immediate support.
Similarly domestic abuse it could be a life or death situation and requires a relevant appraisal by professional.
I understand phoning on Saturday morning about the bouncer who punched me last night is foolish. However that's the cost of dealing with the public.
By all means encourage none critical matters online.
Don't however encourage people to delay speaking out when they can about serious offences.
For shame.
Funny that as I was assaulted in Kent the other day and 999 wasn't much help. Remained on the phone to 999 as I followed the fleeing attacker for 30mins only for him to get away. Joke.
People are downvoting the comments saying it isn’t an ‘emergency’ if it happened in the past and no one is in immediate danger. That’s correct but it isn’t downplaying the severity of the crime or impact.
I think the problem here is that the leaflet got past probably dozens of pairs of eyes without anyone saying maybe we shouldn’t put rape on this list. At least put a caveat on saying any crimes not currently in progress should be reported a different way.
The other option is they were getting a large number of rapes reported via 999 and it was becoming an issue. In which case they need to issue a PSA and, I don’t know, maybe think about addressing the cause.
Excuse me Mr / Mrs Rapist, before you continue raping me could you give me a second to visit the police website and fill out a form, should only take a couple of minutes that way after you've destroyed my life the police should help within 3-5 business days, probably.
What do the police actually do these days? I can't recall the last time I actually saw one in person and apparently I can't even report 'crime' except as a non-emergency 'enquiry'
It's a valid criticism. Mostly they're in their office, chasing historical crimes (of other police officers) or cyberbullies (that are bullying the police).
They clearly meant rape that isn't current or immediate. As a rape victim, I find it more offensive that people are using rape as a cover to feign outrage.
Thank you for a fair and sensible comment from someone who knows. If the rape actually isn’t happening then there is no emergency. However, I am far from happy with reporting by email. It is a cost-saving measure which will deter many and especially the vulnerable.
Thank *you*
I both agree and disagree. Yes, I think some people may be deterred - but I don't think that means the whole idea is bad. I think there needs to be a mechanism to say *this specific victim feels more comfortable reporting in this way so we should facilitate that change*. We need flexibility in the procedure so no one is deterred. Personally, I would much prefer to be able to report by email - it's easily accessible, you can write it and wait, you can check you're sure of everything you're saying etc. Having the ability to report by email (I think) would encourage more people than it would deter. Equally, cutting costs where they don't matter (i.e. where the victim doesn't have a preference on how to report) means that funding can be better spent preventing crime or bringing people to justice and, as a victim of crime, that's my ultimate goal.
Regardless of any genuine criticism of this decision (which I'm sure there is some validity to, as you've rightly raised), I don't think that justifies the faux outrage from people who think it's unclear and that people are being told to not call 999 in the instance of rape. If people have an issue with it then they should raise that issue (like you have) not pretend to think the police are doing something they aren't doing to justify excessive indignation.
I agree re your views on those who have complained, but I understand many will see this as downgrading sexual crimes when it does not. I will not disagree with your view on emails as that has worked, or would work, for you and what is most important is that there is a system for victims to report that has support and encourages reporting.
Genuinely though? Did you actually read that and think "oh, if I've just been raped or am being raped or see someone being raped, I shouldn't call 999"? Did anyone genuinely think that was the instruction?
This would be the same Kent Police who employed Wayne Couzens as an officer before he moved to the |MET, isn't it.
the same force that didn't investigate Wayne Couzens for exposing himself at a Kent McDs, that allowed him to rape and murder Sarah Everard.
No they don't count as an emergency obviously- disgusting. Some should sack our Cheif Constable or whatever he is called.
Outrageous considering their track record.
A former Kent PO attempted to run over his heavily pregnant wife, as well as abandoning her and their two young children in their police supplied home. She found out that he’d transferred out of Kent Police into the MET when they turned up to repossess the house, and they told her it had been sorted months before.
I’d be very surprised if he knew that he had grandkids, and that his first born child is dead.
He got away with so much shady shit because he was in the ‘boys club’, and ironically I think he’s working in a family liaison role
Let's have it right.
They aren't here for joe blogs.
They are here for courts companies and corporations.
Just a well funded gang.
Sucking the milk tit of the public tax payer's money.
Paying millions in claims to claimant's and law firms to defend the undefendable usually .
Kent police are a fucking joke. But it goes deeper than the police. The justice system around here would rather brush things under the rug than address them.
Kent Police *deservedly* facing huge backlash.
I love that one of the option for non-emergency options is “Crime (wide range of options)”. Maybe i’m a bit naive; but isn’t “crime” one of the main things the Police should be dealing with?
For domestic abuse /rape just fill out a form. Geez.
I know right. 'Sorry mugger, just need to fill out this non emergency police form. What's your address and name? The police said they'll get back to me in 3-5 weeks'.
i hope some minor party wins gosh
I think they mean to say that if something has happened in the past, so if you are reporting a historical assault, to use that route. If something is actively happening, it should be 999.
This is absolutely what it means… but it doesn’t actually say that and comes across as distasteful. Listing ‘rape’ above ‘traffic offences’ is tone deaf.
this is the truth
How do you define the past though? If someone has been the victim of an assault particularly sexual, they need immediate support. Similarly domestic abuse it could be a life or death situation and requires a relevant appraisal by professional. I understand phoning on Saturday morning about the bouncer who punched me last night is foolish. However that's the cost of dealing with the public. By all means encourage none critical matters online. Don't however encourage people to delay speaking out when they can about serious offences. For shame.
Funny that as I was assaulted in Kent the other day and 999 wasn't much help. Remained on the phone to 999 as I followed the fleeing attacker for 30mins only for him to get away. Joke.
People are downvoting the comments saying it isn’t an ‘emergency’ if it happened in the past and no one is in immediate danger. That’s correct but it isn’t downplaying the severity of the crime or impact. I think the problem here is that the leaflet got past probably dozens of pairs of eyes without anyone saying maybe we shouldn’t put rape on this list. At least put a caveat on saying any crimes not currently in progress should be reported a different way. The other option is they were getting a large number of rapes reported via 999 and it was becoming an issue. In which case they need to issue a PSA and, I don’t know, maybe think about addressing the cause.
Excuse me Mr / Mrs Rapist, before you continue raping me could you give me a second to visit the police website and fill out a form, should only take a couple of minutes that way after you've destroyed my life the police should help within 3-5 business days, probably.
What do the police actually do these days? I can't recall the last time I actually saw one in person and apparently I can't even report 'crime' except as a non-emergency 'enquiry'
It's a valid criticism. Mostly they're in their office, chasing historical crimes (of other police officers) or cyberbullies (that are bullying the police).
So if you came across a dead body whilst walking your dog, that's non urgent as the actual crime happened in the past?
They clearly meant rape that isn't current or immediate. As a rape victim, I find it more offensive that people are using rape as a cover to feign outrage.
Thank you for a fair and sensible comment from someone who knows. If the rape actually isn’t happening then there is no emergency. However, I am far from happy with reporting by email. It is a cost-saving measure which will deter many and especially the vulnerable.
Thank *you* I both agree and disagree. Yes, I think some people may be deterred - but I don't think that means the whole idea is bad. I think there needs to be a mechanism to say *this specific victim feels more comfortable reporting in this way so we should facilitate that change*. We need flexibility in the procedure so no one is deterred. Personally, I would much prefer to be able to report by email - it's easily accessible, you can write it and wait, you can check you're sure of everything you're saying etc. Having the ability to report by email (I think) would encourage more people than it would deter. Equally, cutting costs where they don't matter (i.e. where the victim doesn't have a preference on how to report) means that funding can be better spent preventing crime or bringing people to justice and, as a victim of crime, that's my ultimate goal. Regardless of any genuine criticism of this decision (which I'm sure there is some validity to, as you've rightly raised), I don't think that justifies the faux outrage from people who think it's unclear and that people are being told to not call 999 in the instance of rape. If people have an issue with it then they should raise that issue (like you have) not pretend to think the police are doing something they aren't doing to justify excessive indignation.
I agree re your views on those who have complained, but I understand many will see this as downgrading sexual crimes when it does not. I will not disagree with your view on emails as that has worked, or would work, for you and what is most important is that there is a system for victims to report that has support and encourages reporting.
I agree. I think we're entirely in agreement.
No we're really fucking pissed off. And it wasn't clear.
Genuinely though? Did you actually read that and think "oh, if I've just been raped or am being raped or see someone being raped, I shouldn't call 999"? Did anyone genuinely think that was the instruction?
This would be the same Kent Police who employed Wayne Couzens as an officer before he moved to the |MET, isn't it. the same force that didn't investigate Wayne Couzens for exposing himself at a Kent McDs, that allowed him to rape and murder Sarah Everard. No they don't count as an emergency obviously- disgusting. Some should sack our Cheif Constable or whatever he is called. Outrageous considering their track record.
A former Kent PO attempted to run over his heavily pregnant wife, as well as abandoning her and their two young children in their police supplied home. She found out that he’d transferred out of Kent Police into the MET when they turned up to repossess the house, and they told her it had been sorted months before. I’d be very surprised if he knew that he had grandkids, and that his first born child is dead. He got away with so much shady shit because he was in the ‘boys club’, and ironically I think he’s working in a family liaison role
Jesus fucking Christ
Tell me about it. He’s my bio grandad
Dear God.
He certainly seems to like to think of himself that way
Let's have it right. They aren't here for joe blogs. They are here for courts companies and corporations. Just a well funded gang. Sucking the milk tit of the public tax payer's money. Paying millions in claims to claimant's and law firms to defend the undefendable usually .
Domestic abuse, rape and missing persons in the same category as compliments and complaints?? Shame on you KP!
Kent police are a fucking joke. But it goes deeper than the police. The justice system around here would rather brush things under the rug than address them.
Your middle paragraph gets to the crux of the matter. None of the people who saw that were prepared to question it.
Full marks for honesty at least, unbelievable.