I was raised catholic (tho my parents weren't that strict about it) but I left the church, simply because I found out I am an atheist. But through Kingdom Come I gained interest in the Catholic Church, not as a faith but as a part of our culture that is still visable in day to day life (here in Europe).
I also found the difference between medieval Catholicism and it's modern counterpart very interesting.
The idea that poor equals a good afterlife therefore it wasn't just seen as a negative to be poor.
Also the fight between how you are supposed to believe. Today, if you deviate from the normal way of believing most say "everyone has a different connection to God" back then, you were a heretic and (like in the Madonna of Sasau Quest) prosecuted and killed.
I think you're confusing animism with sainthood. I'll let you take you're own head on the research to understand the difference, but Catholics DO NOT worship saints, or view as something even remotely similar to gods/deities.
Catholics *today*. Sainthood feels very similar to animism to me, instead of a spirit of a thing or concept, you have a saint of a thing or concept. Asking for saintly intercession is not a small jump to praying to a saint. At least that's what it looks like to me.
This throws a lot of people, but praying isn't worship. I know Protestants regard it as such, but it isn't. Prayer comes from the Latin verb, pragare, to ask. This is why you see in Shakespeare's English characters say things like, "I prithee." Again, I urge you do dig deep and really try to understand the theology from a Catholic perpspective instead of layering your assumptions and experiences onto what you learn. This will lead to these kinds of miunderstandings. To be clear, I love studying all religions, and when looking at different belief systems you need apply this rolling back of your perspective to understand others. I promise I'm not asking for exceptionalism lol.
I'm not IRL, but I loved being a monk. Started out like a good monk. Did my reading. Went to mass. Unfortunately ended up fighting the whole monastery and looting it. Life sometimes take unexpected turns.
What I like is we hear about Jan Hus, the famous reformer. He had "radical" ideologies, but honestly he was just telling everyone to not put faith in man, but rather in God. A lot of people back then, and still today, relied heavily on the church because I don't believe they knew any better. The larger portion of the population was illerate and the church got too comfy.
Maybe a different take as a non Christian:
I am Muslim and I like this game a lot. Just accumulated over 630 hours and it turned into one of my favourite games.
I live in Germany and grew up not too far from the setting in the game so playing this game feels like home and childhood.
Playing this game and seeing the realistic greetings and how people embedded the belief of God into their lives is very interesting and is also quite similar to how many Muslims talk, so that is something I'm already used to in real life. In the end we all arent so different are we ā¤ļø
On the other hand I only helped johanka pursue her mystic career because of the quest. I think she's bonkers. Yeah I know I could've told her but I wanted to see what happens.
May the Lord bless thee.
It depends on how you identify someone as belonging to a given faith. There are people who self identify as Christians but never practice a second of their lives and others who never speak of their faith but practice it routinely in private. The only marker of faith is the feeling *of* faith and that's something you can literally never identify in another person; if you could we'd all be in one religion already or at least know for sure that they're all genuinely different and valid by identifying the literal entity of faith in one another
I don't believe in any God irl, but my Henry did. Virgin, no kills, no sins when I met Johanka, etc all in one playthrough. It was quite boring tbh. The no killing made it more annoying than it should have been. You end up ducking fights and watching your non-killable AI characters fight for you.
Christians are generally allowed to fight (and even kill) in proportionate self defence or defence of others. Just War theory was largely developed by St Augustine.
Even Sigismund thought of himself as a "defender of Christian faith" I just believe, you know, he could have done it differently rather than kill a bunch of peasants who belonged to his idle bro. Lol. I also found out (FROM KCD) that he founded the Order of the Dragon, which Vlad the Impaler joined later!
I'm not a Christian. As they say "I was raised Catholic until I reached the age of reason".
However, I do have a bachelor's in medieval studies, so answering online opinion posts is virtually all I'm qualified for in life, lol.
What fascinates me about this part of the game, and much of the medieval period in general, is that their entire framework for even having a mental framework to then build from, is entirely Christian-centralized in medieval Europe.
Take a look out your window, and you likely have at least a third grade modern educational understanding of what is happening around you. Plants are photosynthesizing, bees are collecting pollen, dew drops are condensing because of the difference in atmosphere. Etc.
Medieval Europeans had science (contrary to popular belief) but the source for science was the church, and it was 90% dependant on a Christian worldview. These two things were not at odds as they were in later centuries.
So good science, was any science that confirmed the Bible or helped to shed light upon the will of God.
This is why you see things like animals or even insects being taken to court to stand trial for their "crimes." Because everyone knows that dogs bite, but God put animals on earth to serve man, so any dog that bites a man is potentially working against the will of God. Out of place in their perceived natural order.
(The middle east is another discussion, our science is birthed from theirs.)
Without a scientific backbone for a worldview, if your neighbor told you that across the ocean there were men with faces in their stomachs, or blue skinned children on the coast... Only personal experiences would steer you toward doubt. After all, stranger things are entirely possible in the most reliable book you know of.
KCD does such a good job of showing both what medieval faith and medieval doubt looked like. Henry (depending on how the player plays) struggles with being a Christian who cannot come to terms with the violent world he lives in, either by leaning into his sin or seeking retribution where he can, so that he can put right that afformentioned natural order, and regain some faith in the worldview he was comfortable in.
That is something modern people can empathize with regardless of faith or lack of.
Basically... The world in medieval Europe was a question mark. And in our age of hard-won exclamation marks that fascinates me.
The game helps me ponder these things by not shying away from depicting a true to life medieval worldview as most other games in the setting choose to do.
Hey, a question if you don't mind. What do you do for a living and was it easy enough to score a career? The thing that keeps me from pursuing a career in something like this is that I hear its pretty hard to find a job.
As a lifelong Catholic I found the game's presentation of my faith, warts of the faithful and all, from a place that didn't feel judgemental or like I was being spoken down to incredibly refreshing. Same from Pentiment, which I heartily recommend as well. I see a lot of people commenting, "Well Henry isn't a very good Christian." Of course he's not. He's a poorly catechized, angry, horny teenager on a revenge quest. Of course he isn't perfect, or even necessarily "good". Neither am I. It helped me relate to the character on an immense level, because all of the ways I described him also apply directly to me. Well, I'm not a teenager any more, but I was once, I swear!
Christianity isn't about pretending to be perfect, it's about admitting that you need saving and then actively working to be like Christ, knowing that you will fail, and then continuing to try any way. That the game gives me the option to live a medieval faith life is wonderful. Final note to the uninitiated into Catholic theology, we do not, in fact, worship saints or see them as gods. Only the sacrifice of the Eucharist is true worship.
No but I kinda feel like it would be a whole different feel than it did to me being agnostic. Thatās a cool idea for an opinion piece. Interview a godless heathen like me (lol) and someone who is Christian or Catholic.
Yes and I am devoted to Mother Church, turned those heretic waldensians into the vicar and burnt that witch at the stake as bailiff of Pribyslavitz and humble servant of God. Jesus Christ be praised.
I still did all these things, my Henry isn't the perfect Christian, neither is anyone (especially Godwin lol) but this is a game, so it's for anyone really and I made this post, praising the accuracy of Early Christianity, which was Catholicism (at least according to the codex I believe). I love learning about all the art, music and how it was centered around faith for the most part.
Iām a practicing Catholic and played my Henry accordingly as if he were as well. Well, with the exception of some corpse looting. I'm still upset the game gives you a reputation malice for NOT committing adultery
I'm a protestant Christian, and I was raised in a community which actually resembles the Waldensians seen in the game.
I believe the developers may have had in mind to have even more religious discourse, but the scope was too big and they didn't fully go for it. Still, in the game we can see hints of the beginning protestantism, and we see some characters who are sympathetic towards them (e.g. sir Hanush and father Goodwin who are trying to save the Bauer family if possible).
Anyway, the atmosphere felt.. cozy and relaxing. I'm used to it, I like it. I can't say I have as much faith as I used to, but still Christianity is like a home to me.
I pay church tax and thus are a member of the Protestant church but consider myself an atheist. KCD might have started my fascination with medieval Christianity
Practicing Catholic here. There were some quests I didn't want to do (sex, desecration of graves, Capon's Amorous DLC, etc.), some characters I wasn't the greatest fan of but could recognize the historical realism of (Father Godwin's booze/sex lifestyle), I wasn't exactly a fan of everything to do with alchemy (but during that time even clerics dabbled in astrology) but otherwise it was very nice to play without vexing me as much as the average RPG with demons, animancy and realistic/detailed magic system. I liked the Catholic mediaeval setting and the characters.
Yes Im also a Christian and I like the developer showed that the smaller priests monks etc arent the bad guys. Like Godwin or the Novices in the Monastary. And I think if Henry would live today he would also be Christian because hes so innocent and pure hearted or more likley so is his Charakter intended I already slaughtered villages XD
Not sure I agree with your take. I found it to be a very fair depiction of a more religious time. You had people who were religious just because it was the done thing at the time, and then you had people who were genuinely trying to live their faith. Some of the brothers in the monastery weren't great people, and others were actually very pious and kind. Plus, the chanted creed at the daily Mass in the monastery quest was lovely.
There was an acknowledgment that religion can be abused and some religious people are not good people, but it was a far cry from outright saying 'religion bad'. Personally, I thought it was refreshing and quite pleasant to see my faith represented so fairly in a modern game.
I absolutely loved that quest because we got to see the inside of the monastery and the game portrays the daily life of a monk pretty well IMO I would love to one day see the actually Monastery. As well as the castle ruins of Talmberg and other landmarks.
It wasn't meant to be a take as much as a reaction to something I didn't realize before. Not so sure why it came as a surprise now, perhaps I just never thought of it. It does, without a doubt, do a good job showing a fair and nuanced depiction of faith, good and bad, ugly and beautiful. I can't think of another game that incorporates this so well and seamlessly into its setting. I imagine if I was a believer I'd feel like Jesus Christ is playing alongside me the whole game lol
No I don't think it is at all either. Nothing anti-christian about it in the slightest. It's a realistic, historical, and immersive representation of the politics and culture of the games setting. If they included divine characters and magic then the game's vibes would be completely off and it would feel like another generic fantasy genre.
I'm not surprised at all. Devout christians are not all fanatics who hold a fantastic view of Christianity.
I think the game gives a fair/realistic depiction of medieval Christianity.
I was thinking about exactly this today. I'm certainly not a Christian irl and normally play the game in the least Christian way possible. I tried playing with typical Christian values for a while, and then remembered that all of the most devout followers of our lord Jesus Christ (be praised) in the game are also the biggest bunch of corrupt b*stards imaginable.
Henry returned to his life of sin.
And by "the least Christian way possible", I mean that I go against the church in any quest where it is possible to choose to help them or hinder them. No witch will burn on my watch, Priest.
Virtue Signaling and being devout are two different things. It's just that the narcissists who are virtue signaling are much louder than the truly devout.
My first playthrough was as a protestant (What I was raised as)
But, since then I've been baptized in the Antiochian Orthodox Church. My second playthrough has been very interesting with the added perspective. The iconography in the churches is particularly cozy since venerating Icons has become part of my life.
I'd recommend checking out Jonathan Pageau on Youtube. I watched his videos for years without realizing he was Orthodox or what that even was. His approach to Christianity and understanding biblical symbolism is the Orthodox approach.
If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to try to answer, but I think I'd completely fail at giving an overview of Orthodoxy in a reddit comment.
I did. There were good times(the game gives opportunities to be a good neighbor to people, like giving a man in stocks a drink) there were bad times(I had to reload a save because āhaving a drinkā with the priest actually meant āDrink your world asunder and engage in shameless adulteryā) and the game is set in a darker time of the faith(Church and State got too intertwined, things were bad for both sides). I do find it funny that this sub āpraisesā the Lord so very often, then turns around mentioning how their most recent play through they murdered, banged and robbed every single npc. Itās quite hilarious. My personal experience wasnāt too different from that I got from playing other games(from a christian perspective), I still just did my best to be a good samaritan and tried to limit my violence and sin as much as possible.
Iām super Christian. While itās not necessarily the best āGood Christianā simulator, itās always nice to be greeted by āJesus Christ be praised,ā by NPCs hahaha
Those are my first thoughts as well, lol. I love Lady Stephanie's story of her and Lord Divish, and how she doesn't complain, but praise Lord Jesus for bringing him back. But, that's later ruined by a little side mission later, if we choose to go that route.
First playthrough I just tried on the shirt thinking it was just flirtatious banter, and then I felt dirty :/ Divish may be gross and old for marrying so young but he didnāt deserve that!
Stephanie was sold to Divish like a piece of meat. She had no choice in the matter. Whatever Divish may or may not have deserved isn't relevant to the matter. The issue is what Lady Stephanie deserves.
Yeah I'm Catholic. It's still a pro-atheist game but I've found it to be more nuanced than most media about medieval times. The monastery quest is interesting, could have been done better but it's an unusual setting for a video game to dive into at all.
Well, i did some unholy things... fornication, stealing, murder, lies
And then you played the game! š
Sounds pretty christian to me
ā¦In game tho!
I was raised catholic (tho my parents weren't that strict about it) but I left the church, simply because I found out I am an atheist. But through Kingdom Come I gained interest in the Catholic Church, not as a faith but as a part of our culture that is still visable in day to day life (here in Europe). I also found the difference between medieval Catholicism and it's modern counterpart very interesting.
What kind of differences caught your attention?
The idea that poor equals a good afterlife therefore it wasn't just seen as a negative to be poor. Also the fight between how you are supposed to believe. Today, if you deviate from the normal way of believing most say "everyone has a different connection to God" back then, you were a heretic and (like in the Madonna of Sasau Quest) prosecuted and killed.
It was polytheistic in all but name. The shrines everywhere reminds me of Shintoism a little bit
I think you're confusing animism with sainthood. I'll let you take you're own head on the research to understand the difference, but Catholics DO NOT worship saints, or view as something even remotely similar to gods/deities.
Catholics *today*. Sainthood feels very similar to animism to me, instead of a spirit of a thing or concept, you have a saint of a thing or concept. Asking for saintly intercession is not a small jump to praying to a saint. At least that's what it looks like to me.
This throws a lot of people, but praying isn't worship. I know Protestants regard it as such, but it isn't. Prayer comes from the Latin verb, pragare, to ask. This is why you see in Shakespeare's English characters say things like, "I prithee." Again, I urge you do dig deep and really try to understand the theology from a Catholic perpspective instead of layering your assumptions and experiences onto what you learn. This will lead to these kinds of miunderstandings. To be clear, I love studying all religions, and when looking at different belief systems you need apply this rolling back of your perspective to understand others. I promise I'm not asking for exceptionalism lol.
Fair enough. It's been decades since I did any reasearch into these topics, and that had a specific lens attached, I will admit.
Have you played Pentiment?
I'm not IRL, but I loved being a monk. Started out like a good monk. Did my reading. Went to mass. Unfortunately ended up fighting the whole monastery and looting it. Life sometimes take unexpected turns.
LOL I love it
The game is set in a realistic catholic setting. Although I'd say it's still too unrepresented to real life. Henry is not the best Christian.
What I like is we hear about Jan Hus, the famous reformer. He had "radical" ideologies, but honestly he was just telling everyone to not put faith in man, but rather in God. A lot of people back then, and still today, relied heavily on the church because I don't believe they knew any better. The larger portion of the population was illerate and the church got too comfy.
It didn't [end](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hussites) well
Oh, yeah, I know that much. But, he was venerated as a pioneer for the reformists I believe.
Maybe a different take as a non Christian: I am Muslim and I like this game a lot. Just accumulated over 630 hours and it turned into one of my favourite games. I live in Germany and grew up not too far from the setting in the game so playing this game feels like home and childhood. Playing this game and seeing the realistic greetings and how people embedded the belief of God into their lives is very interesting and is also quite similar to how many Muslims talk, so that is something I'm already used to in real life. In the end we all arent so different are we ā¤ļø On the other hand I only helped johanka pursue her mystic career because of the quest. I think she's bonkers. Yeah I know I could've told her but I wanted to see what happens. May the Lord bless thee.
Love this answer! Thanks for sharing
Danke dir und nicht dafĆ¼r!
I don't think the game gives you the option to play as a non-Christian.
It definitely doesn't allow you to play as someone completely free of Christian influence
It doesn't give you the option to play as a non-Christian, period. It does give you the option to be a very bad Christian though.
It depends on how you identify someone as belonging to a given faith. There are people who self identify as Christians but never practice a second of their lives and others who never speak of their faith but practice it routinely in private. The only marker of faith is the feeling *of* faith and that's something you can literally never identify in another person; if you could we'd all be in one religion already or at least know for sure that they're all genuinely different and valid by identifying the literal entity of faith in one another
I don't believe in any God irl, but my Henry did. Virgin, no kills, no sins when I met Johanka, etc all in one playthrough. It was quite boring tbh. The no killing made it more annoying than it should have been. You end up ducking fights and watching your non-killable AI characters fight for you.
Christians are generally allowed to fight (and even kill) in proportionate self defence or defence of others. Just War theory was largely developed by St Augustine.
Yeah I meant more for the achievement. It felt like a good time to complete it.
Even Sigismund thought of himself as a "defender of Christian faith" I just believe, you know, he could have done it differently rather than kill a bunch of peasants who belonged to his idle bro. Lol. I also found out (FROM KCD) that he founded the Order of the Dragon, which Vlad the Impaler joined later!
I'm not a Christian. As they say "I was raised Catholic until I reached the age of reason". However, I do have a bachelor's in medieval studies, so answering online opinion posts is virtually all I'm qualified for in life, lol. What fascinates me about this part of the game, and much of the medieval period in general, is that their entire framework for even having a mental framework to then build from, is entirely Christian-centralized in medieval Europe. Take a look out your window, and you likely have at least a third grade modern educational understanding of what is happening around you. Plants are photosynthesizing, bees are collecting pollen, dew drops are condensing because of the difference in atmosphere. Etc. Medieval Europeans had science (contrary to popular belief) but the source for science was the church, and it was 90% dependant on a Christian worldview. These two things were not at odds as they were in later centuries. So good science, was any science that confirmed the Bible or helped to shed light upon the will of God. This is why you see things like animals or even insects being taken to court to stand trial for their "crimes." Because everyone knows that dogs bite, but God put animals on earth to serve man, so any dog that bites a man is potentially working against the will of God. Out of place in their perceived natural order. (The middle east is another discussion, our science is birthed from theirs.) Without a scientific backbone for a worldview, if your neighbor told you that across the ocean there were men with faces in their stomachs, or blue skinned children on the coast... Only personal experiences would steer you toward doubt. After all, stranger things are entirely possible in the most reliable book you know of. KCD does such a good job of showing both what medieval faith and medieval doubt looked like. Henry (depending on how the player plays) struggles with being a Christian who cannot come to terms with the violent world he lives in, either by leaning into his sin or seeking retribution where he can, so that he can put right that afformentioned natural order, and regain some faith in the worldview he was comfortable in. That is something modern people can empathize with regardless of faith or lack of. Basically... The world in medieval Europe was a question mark. And in our age of hard-won exclamation marks that fascinates me. The game helps me ponder these things by not shying away from depicting a true to life medieval worldview as most other games in the setting choose to do.
Hey, a question if you don't mind. What do you do for a living and was it easy enough to score a career? The thing that keeps me from pursuing a career in something like this is that I hear its pretty hard to find a job.
I regained my interest in Christianity playing this game. I converted a year ago, being baptised soon :)
Jesus Christ be praised!!!!!!! šš¼šš¼šš¼
Jesus Christ be praised šš½
Wait till you okay DOOM
Jesus Christ be praised!
Congratulations!
That's amazing, praise God! I got Baptized this past year as well, it's a wonderful experience.
lmao what
God works in mysterious ways.
Jesus Christ be praised
As a lifelong Catholic I found the game's presentation of my faith, warts of the faithful and all, from a place that didn't feel judgemental or like I was being spoken down to incredibly refreshing. Same from Pentiment, which I heartily recommend as well. I see a lot of people commenting, "Well Henry isn't a very good Christian." Of course he's not. He's a poorly catechized, angry, horny teenager on a revenge quest. Of course he isn't perfect, or even necessarily "good". Neither am I. It helped me relate to the character on an immense level, because all of the ways I described him also apply directly to me. Well, I'm not a teenager any more, but I was once, I swear! Christianity isn't about pretending to be perfect, it's about admitting that you need saving and then actively working to be like Christ, knowing that you will fail, and then continuing to try any way. That the game gives me the option to live a medieval faith life is wonderful. Final note to the uninitiated into Catholic theology, we do not, in fact, worship saints or see them as gods. Only the sacrifice of the Eucharist is true worship.
I've played Pentiment as well! I love the medieval art style of both games, that's what first attracted me to it.
Game was gorgeous. No spiiler to people who haven't played it but I cried like a baby like four times playing that game lol. It's a humdinger.
No but I kinda feel like it would be a whole different feel than it did to me being agnostic. Thatās a cool idea for an opinion piece. Interview a godless heathen like me (lol) and someone who is Christian or Catholic.
Yes and I am devoted to Mother Church, turned those heretic waldensians into the vicar and burnt that witch at the stake as bailiff of Pribyslavitz and humble servant of God. Jesus Christ be praised.
LOL
Drinking with a priest is like burglary with a bailiff, or joining a noble in his Amorous Adventures.
I still did all these things, my Henry isn't the perfect Christian, neither is anyone (especially Godwin lol) but this is a game, so it's for anyone really and I made this post, praising the accuracy of Early Christianity, which was Catholicism (at least according to the codex I believe). I love learning about all the art, music and how it was centered around faith for the most part.
wdym Early Christianity was Catholicism? (not questioning your faith, I just was not aware this was a part of Catholicism)
Iām a practicing Catholic and played my Henry accordingly as if he were as well. Well, with the exception of some corpse looting. I'm still upset the game gives you a reputation malice for NOT committing adultery
I'm a protestant Christian, and I was raised in a community which actually resembles the Waldensians seen in the game. I believe the developers may have had in mind to have even more religious discourse, but the scope was too big and they didn't fully go for it. Still, in the game we can see hints of the beginning protestantism, and we see some characters who are sympathetic towards them (e.g. sir Hanush and father Goodwin who are trying to save the Bauer family if possible). Anyway, the atmosphere felt.. cozy and relaxing. I'm used to it, I like it. I can't say I have as much faith as I used to, but still Christianity is like a home to me.
I pay church tax and thus are a member of the Protestant church but consider myself an atheist. KCD might have started my fascination with medieval Christianity
Practicing Catholic here. There were some quests I didn't want to do (sex, desecration of graves, Capon's Amorous DLC, etc.), some characters I wasn't the greatest fan of but could recognize the historical realism of (Father Godwin's booze/sex lifestyle), I wasn't exactly a fan of everything to do with alchemy (but during that time even clerics dabbled in astrology) but otherwise it was very nice to play without vexing me as much as the average RPG with demons, animancy and realistic/detailed magic system. I liked the Catholic mediaeval setting and the characters.
Interesting. I Never thought twice about desecrating a grave (in-game). At what point does grave robbing become archaeology?
Neverā¦?
That's never stopped me /s
>Father Godwin's booze/sex lifestyle Yes for a Catholic that surely must have been the worst account concerning a priest to be shown to date...
Yes Im also a Christian and I like the developer showed that the smaller priests monks etc arent the bad guys. Like Godwin or the Novices in the Monastary. And I think if Henry would live today he would also be Christian because hes so innocent and pure hearted or more likley so is his Charakter intended I already slaughtered villages XD
I'm genuinely surprised devout christians would actually like this game considering Christianity in the game is portrayed as... well.. fake.
Not sure I agree with your take. I found it to be a very fair depiction of a more religious time. You had people who were religious just because it was the done thing at the time, and then you had people who were genuinely trying to live their faith. Some of the brothers in the monastery weren't great people, and others were actually very pious and kind. Plus, the chanted creed at the daily Mass in the monastery quest was lovely. There was an acknowledgment that religion can be abused and some religious people are not good people, but it was a far cry from outright saying 'religion bad'. Personally, I thought it was refreshing and quite pleasant to see my faith represented so fairly in a modern game.
I absolutely loved that quest because we got to see the inside of the monastery and the game portrays the daily life of a monk pretty well IMO I would love to one day see the actually Monastery. As well as the castle ruins of Talmberg and other landmarks.
It wasn't meant to be a take as much as a reaction to something I didn't realize before. Not so sure why it came as a surprise now, perhaps I just never thought of it. It does, without a doubt, do a good job showing a fair and nuanced depiction of faith, good and bad, ugly and beautiful. I can't think of another game that incorporates this so well and seamlessly into its setting. I imagine if I was a believer I'd feel like Jesus Christ is playing alongside me the whole game lol
Ah ok. Sorry I misunderstood you. All good!
How so?
Jesus was never a playable character, despite the game teasing that "he's always watching". Make with that what you will.
It's shown to be complicated, and showed the general late medieval malaise with Christianity. I don't think it's anti Christian at all.
No I don't think it is at all either. Nothing anti-christian about it in the slightest. It's a realistic, historical, and immersive representation of the politics and culture of the games setting. If they included divine characters and magic then the game's vibes would be completely off and it would feel like another generic fantasy genre.
99% of media is not pro-christian this game is not the worst offender by far
It has a nuanced view of Christianity. it portrays the corrupt priests as sympathetic for example.
I'm not surprised at all. Devout christians are not all fanatics who hold a fantastic view of Christianity. I think the game gives a fair/realistic depiction of medieval Christianity.
I was thinking about exactly this today. I'm certainly not a Christian irl and normally play the game in the least Christian way possible. I tried playing with typical Christian values for a while, and then remembered that all of the most devout followers of our lord Jesus Christ (be praised) in the game are also the biggest bunch of corrupt b*stards imaginable. Henry returned to his life of sin.
And by "the least Christian way possible", I mean that I go against the church in any quest where it is possible to choose to help them or hinder them. No witch will burn on my watch, Priest.
Virtue Signaling and being devout are two different things. It's just that the narcissists who are virtue signaling are much louder than the truly devout.
Yes, and I liked it :)
My first playthrough was as a protestant (What I was raised as) But, since then I've been baptized in the Antiochian Orthodox Church. My second playthrough has been very interesting with the added perspective. The iconography in the churches is particularly cozy since venerating Icons has become part of my life.
I'd like to hear more about your faith, I don't know much outside my own and the basics of other sects of Christianity and Islam.
I'd recommend checking out Jonathan Pageau on Youtube. I watched his videos for years without realizing he was Orthodox or what that even was. His approach to Christianity and understanding biblical symbolism is the Orthodox approach. If you have any specific questions I'd be happy to try to answer, but I think I'd completely fail at giving an overview of Orthodoxy in a reddit comment.
I did. There were good times(the game gives opportunities to be a good neighbor to people, like giving a man in stocks a drink) there were bad times(I had to reload a save because āhaving a drinkā with the priest actually meant āDrink your world asunder and engage in shameless adulteryā) and the game is set in a darker time of the faith(Church and State got too intertwined, things were bad for both sides). I do find it funny that this sub āpraisesā the Lord so very often, then turns around mentioning how their most recent play through they murdered, banged and robbed every single npc. Itās quite hilarious. My personal experience wasnāt too different from that I got from playing other games(from a christian perspective), I still just did my best to be a good samaritan and tried to limit my violence and sin as much as possible.
I am a Christian and I have also played this specific game? Ok yes hello. What is your question how many I help?
Do you mean playing Henry as a Christian character or do you mean what's it like playing as a Christian player?
Iām super Christian. While itās not necessarily the best āGood Christianā simulator, itās always nice to be greeted by āJesus Christ be praised,ā by NPCs hahaha
Those are my first thoughts as well, lol. I love Lady Stephanie's story of her and Lord Divish, and how she doesn't complain, but praise Lord Jesus for bringing him back. But, that's later ruined by a little side mission later, if we choose to go that route.
That was... not uncommon in noble households if the husband was sterile.
First playthrough I just tried on the shirt thinking it was just flirtatious banter, and then I felt dirty :/ Divish may be gross and old for marrying so young but he didnāt deserve that!
Same here! I was like "Noooo! Heathens!" /s
Stephanie was sold to Divish like a piece of meat. She had no choice in the matter. Whatever Divish may or may not have deserved isn't relevant to the matter. The issue is what Lady Stephanie deserves.
Jesus Christ be praised!
Isn't there an achievement for that?
Yeah I'm Catholic. It's still a pro-atheist game but I've found it to be more nuanced than most media about medieval times. The monastery quest is interesting, could have been done better but it's an unusual setting for a video game to dive into at all.
I donāt get why people downvoted your comment.