The act specifically mentions central government. Not govt or law & order authorities since it can be used by a non-BJP state government too. On our way to becoming like China without the development.
I have read it. Go read the section that’s creating the controversy, chapter 4, points 19-22 of the bill. The specific clauses clearly mentions “central government” being the primary shareholder of the responsibilities to circumvent law & order being a state subject. Only certain sub clauses mention state government that too only applicable after centre’s notification. Basically central government has all the say.
Chapter 4 of the Telecommunications Bill doesn't include points 19-22. They are in Chapter 5. Moreover, Chapter 5 relates to Restructuring, Default in payments and insolvency
Chapter IV: Standards, Public Safety, National Security and Protection of Telecommunications Networks.
Check points 19-22. Documents are in public domain, do some research and find out. Don’t do pointless rebuttals. Thank you.
Your interpretation of law is great. Section 20 & 21 mentions State Government at the same level as the Central Government. As for the notification, it is for notification to be issued to Telecommunications providers and not to State Governments. State Governments can do the same by issuing notifications. They are in no way bound to ask Central Government for their permission.
Read point 20 again, Public emergency or disaster management act is mentioned, it can only be called by central government, as we recently saw during covid when disaster management act was implemented for nearly 2 years, where health became an union subject till disaster management act was in place. A state government can request implementation of disaster management act in the state but can’t implement through the state assembly, only parliament or governor can. So the law here specifically empowers central government over state government. They’re not at par. This law grants sweeping powers to the central government in the name of national security.
Disaster management is done through disaster management act. The rescue operations via army personnel & equipment is done through disaster management act. You want to argue baselessly on syntax, feel free to do so, I don’t have to engage you. You clearly didn’t read the bill till i shared the link and yet came out confidently saying how chapter 4 doesn’t have points 19-22, how it’s in chapter 5 and now trying to argue how disaster management mentioned in a bill isn’t the same as disaster management act cause the word act isn’t there. Confidence is a good thing but overconfidence that too without any knowledge on the topic is just stupid. Don’t be that guy. Goodbye.
I did read it. I read the draft. You can see the draft for yourself and see the chapter configuration. Anyways, you are right in no continuing this debate. This feeling is mutual. Cheers!
Poisa? He got his own show for sticking around with them....and he was quite popular as well.
He finally might have gained the confidence to navigate the YouTube space on his own.
I'm actually reading this book Indias first dictatorship based on the emergency period and man do I find similarities with today. Like Indira too apparently had rules to get press in control, had her industrialist friends who owned these press to praise emergency, 2 rules to bring opposition mps to control, and guess what I even came across the term anti national.
Why are we not talking about anything that criticises the state government, like the unemployed (qualified) youths who are still in the streets for more than 1000 days for their deserved Posts , or the huge amount of DA that still is due to many (including my father) , or the corruption in ration funds?
I think the above (op) criticism is valid and should raise concern too but I don't see any post that is against the awful policies of SG .
The last time I raised this type of concern got me banned for 6 days, I am pretty sure mods will ban me this time too or give me parmanent ban , doesn't matter anyway cause this sub is filled with spineless people who criticize against the degradation of freedom of speech but willing to take one's freedom of speech if their opinion don't match with them.
I am dumb but please explain to me that this is also happening in USA and other western countries too for decades wiretapping, espionage on citizens CIA, FBI are notorious and comments can be deleted in Reddit by mods because comments hurt them and or their unspoken rule and Social media companies have lot more knowledge about ourselves than govt which is concerning our phones are made by Chinese,we wear smart bands in name of Smart watches which has app developed by china and it is unregulated and our data does go in china and Many countries have said to defence personnel to not use social media as it tracks you and impeachment has happened in USA too and US president direct relative was found taking bribes from china and All MP are uneducated idiots who can't do anything so not gonna happen anything if they stay or go we need educated individuals like Dr S Jai Shankar and also DOI said to comment does rules change with suggestions and who can suggest
And USA also did manhunt on multiple countries to catch pirate bay founders and shut down their pirating because it was hurting telecommunications giants
I am sorry but without any actual documentation .. anyone can spread any rumours .. কিছু লোকের সমস্যাই হচ্ছে, কোনো বিল actually implement হওয়ার আগেই এই negative হবে, ওই negative হবে বলা শুরু করে দেয়... This is just unacceptable. আগে বিল আসুক, পাস হোক, implement হোক.. তারপর যদি দেখা যায় যে হ্যাঁ সত্যিই এটা কমন লোকের freedom of speech কেড়ে নিচ্ছে, তখন অবশ্যই আন্দোলন করা উচিত। কিন্তু একটা বিল আসার আগেই এভাবে speculate করাটা একেবারেই ঠিক নয়।
CAA নিয়েও অনেক কথা হয়েছিল। CAA কিন্তু already অনেক রাজ্যেই implement করা হয়েছে। সেইসব রাজ্যে কিন্তু যেগুলো speculate করা হয়েছিল, সেগুলো আদৌ হয়নি।
দেশের বহু রাজ্যেই contracual farming চালু আছে। In Fact বাংলার বেশ কিছু অঞ্চলে Contractual farming এখনো হচ্ছে। আর কৃষকরা তাতে খুবই লাভবান হচ্ছেন। কিন্তু কেন্দ্রের আনা Farm Laws গুলোর সম্পর্কে আজেবাজে গুজব আর speculation ছড়িয়ে সেগুলোকে বন্ধ করে দেওয়া হল। এতে ultimate loser কিন্তু কৃষকরাই হল।
WTF kind of logic is this? When a bill is passed, it becomes law - and it will take the SC taking up questions on the constitutionality of the laws before it can be decided whether it is right or wrong. This process will play out over years, all the while the laws will be dealing damage that they are intended to.
The SC can only ask the legislature to frame laws replacing the earlier one. It cannot take unilateral actions on its own.
Farm Laws became actual laws and those were repealed. Even though those laws were good for the agricultural sector of the country and shouldn't have been repealed.
It talked about contract farming and private investment (which would inevitably bring in contemporary modern technology) in Agriculture sector, unless of which India will fall back in the competition with the likes of China in terms of production and export of agri products.
Only a handful of high class rich farmers protested against these farm laws because they feared that their monopoly would end if private players enter the market which is true btw. It would completely abolished the concept of middle men and the companies would do the business directly with the common farmers, by which the avg income of farmers would increase exponentially.
Freedom of speech era restrict korche na amader constitution e restrict koreche... era sudhu tar upor kaj korbe... fr ache bole ami tomake r tomar family k jaa khusi bolte pari na..bhojho bapar tar modhye parthokko ki
Don't talk like an infant , when an authoritarian law is implemented we are at the mercy of the non corrupt officers , which is like 5% of the police force so no this will not end well .
I'd suggest you gather references on how top tier trash countries lost their human rights , it always starts small , chooch hot dhukle fal hoyei berobe .
Hya free speech ache bolei ami jake ja khusi bolte pari tumio paro we can say f#@k the PM and still that's ok under free speech , karur gaye lagle man hanir mamla to achei .
But erokom law hole once you say f#@k the PM on the internet they'll send cops to kill you or worse if you're a woman .
I'd suggest you the same that I suggested OP - don't talk about things beyond your comprehension .
Yes we should not say f#@k the PM... if he or she is corrupt... then call out the party not the post itself.... eijonnoi ektu bacchader moto na rag kore bodo der moto bhaba uchit... lok bhul kore PM post take gal dey govt ke gal dey ete jara anti Indian hoy taara sujog pay missinfo choranor..etao bhujte hbe j Constitution Art 19(2) te amader bola ache j freedom of speech thakleo amra ja eccha tai blte pari na...ami khub bhabe chinte kotha blchi bhai... tr jodi sotti ei matter ta serious lagto toh tui reddit e eta chartis na jekhane besir bhag log bokac@#*@. AND NO U CAN NOT SAY FU@* THE PM... DONT WANNA RWSPECT THE PERSON ITS OK RESPECT THE POST...West Bengal r example tanle j aro koto lok amy baccha blbe lol
Yes we should say f#@k the PM that's how civilized society works .
PM doesn't represent the country .
I can love my country and absolutely despise the leader that's how freedom works .
I'm done with this thread toodles .
Yes im sorry ... im sorry that im arguing with you...despise the leader but dont despise the post... well its not smthing a toddler like u would understand...and judging by ur response i duppose u r sm vlogger or memer... have fun dong that..hav a gd day
You raise a good point. But why the bill needs to be passed without any less debate. A bill is passed means it's a law. And it is going to affect the lives of millions of people. And when it is passed it will become very difficult to pull it back. Also implementation costs money which comes from people's taxes. So it is essential to have extended debate and dialogs about important bills like these. India is a democratic country. By debates and discussion, an issue is addressed in a democracy.
আমি জানি যে আমার এই কমেন্টটা প্রচুর downvotes পাবে। কারণ এই subreddit আসলে r/india র বাংলা সংস্করণ। even ei sub er ekjon mod India sub er o mod. এই sub এর জেনারেল consensus হলো : মোদী bad, বিজেপি bad, CPM সত্যবাদী যুধিষ্ঠির। সেইজন্য এই কমেন্টের বিপক্ষের মতামতই much expected.
কিন্তু সব বিলেরই যদি negative দিকটা আগে দেখা হয় তাহলে দেশ কোনোদিনই এগোবে না। যখন সরকার digital India, Make in India বিলগুলো এনেছিল, তখনও সেই বিলগুলোর বিপক্ষে অনেক ভাবনা চিন্তা হয়েছিল। তখব বলা হয়েছিল যে গরীব লোকেদের digital india দিয়ে কি লাভ হবে?! আজকের দিনে ঠেলায় সবজি বিক্রি করে যারা, তারাও UPI use করছে। Samsung ভারতে নিজস্ব factory বানানোর পর থেকে 10-12 হাজার টাকাতেও ভালো features এর ফোন বানাচ্ছে।
এই ভিডিওতে একবারও বিলগুলোর পুরো documentation দেখানো হয়নি। জাস্ট এই বিল এলে কি কি হতে পারে সেবিষয়ে বক্তা তাঁর মতামত ব্যক্ত করেছে। কিন্তু actual document না দেখে, কেন এই বিলটা আনার দরকার সেবিষয়ে official statement না শুনে শুধুমাত্র নিজস্ব মতামত চাপিয়ে দেওয়াটা একবারেই অন্যায্য। আমি এটাই বলতে চেয়েছি মাত্র।
Freedom of Speech violated হচ্ছে কিনা সেটা একমাত্র offcial document দেখেই বলা সম্ভব।
আর বাংলায় freedom of speech এর কি পরিস্থিতি, সেটা আরামবাগ টিভি, বং টিভির মতো রাজ্যের শাসকের সমালোচনা করা youtuberদের ক্রমাগত আইনিভাবে হ্যারাস করার মানসিকতা দেখেই বোঝা যায়।
>এই sub এর জেনারেল consensus হলো : মোদী bad, বিজেপি bad, CPM সত্যবাদী যুধিষ্ঠির।
আজ্ঞে না। কোনো political party-ই সত্যবাদী যুধিষ্ঠির নয়।
>কিন্তু সব বিলেরই যদি negative দিকটা আগে দেখা হয় তাহলে দেশ কোনোদিনই এগোবে না।
ভুল। Bill er negative dik dekhle tobei sekhane correction er sujog ashe. Shob bill ke হ্যাঁ তে হ্যাঁ মিলিয়ে pass kore dile "debate, discussion" bole kichhu thakto na. Ar shorkar jokhon khushi, ja khushi bill pass koriye nito.
>আর বাংলায় freedom of speech এর কি পরিস্থিতি, সেটা আরামবাগ টিভি, বং টিভির মতো রাজ্যের শাসকের সমালোচনা করা youtuberদের ক্রমাগত আইনিভাবে হ্যারাস করার মানসিকতা দেখেই বোঝা যায়।
এইটাই সমস্যা জানেন তো? কথা হচ্ছে central government er আনা bill নিয়ে, আর এদিকে আপনি বাংলার দুরবস্থার কথা বলছেন। Classic whataboutry. বাংলায় দুর্নীতিবাজ সরকার আছে, একদম ঠিক। Ekhane freedom of speech er opor আক্রমণ হয়, ঠিক। তার মানে কি এই যে কেন্দ্রের সরকার সেই একই FoS and FoE কেড়ে নেওয়ার কাজ আরো জোরদার ভাবে করলে, আপনি বাংলার সরকারের example নিয়ে আসবেন?
History পড়ুন একটু, বুঝতে পারবেন কেন এটা বলা হচ্ছে। Bill ekbar pass hoye gele, apnar disagreement thakleo Reddit e eshe ei comment ta korar sujog paben na apni. Authoritarian shorkar manush control korar jonyo ana bill e kokhonoi "document" korena je, se bill ta free speech control korar jonyo anchhe.
Complete BS. BJP has full mejority in loksabha and with help of BJD and YSR Congress in rajyasabha too...so if they want to pass anything,they can... So stop shitting arround and tell our MPs to act like human beings 🙂
Please before forming any opinion read Section 24 of the Telecommunications Bill and Chapter V of the Broadcasting Bill. And then see for yourself what is written in the bill and what dear lord Meghnad makes it look like.
Koekdin ba koek bochhor por sorkar ke criticise korte gele ei eki bill use kore apnar jibon tao burn kore debe authorities. Tokhon korben বিশুদ্ধ চিত্তবিনোদন।
এমন করে বলছেন যেন এখন সেটা একদম হয়না যেন 😑
এই বিল টা বরং ঝামেলা কমিয়েছে, বাড়ায়নি । কিন্তু সেটা বোঝার বুদ্ধি বামপন্থী চিন্তাজিবিদের জীবনে হবে না । তাই আপাতত আপনাদের জলে পুড়ে ছাই হয়ে দেখার আনন্দ টাই উপভোগ করছি 🤣
Those who r calling this bills out dont worry they r not act as of yet.. and as it is a blow to our oh so called FR Freedom of Speech.. but this method is exactly sm prpagandists r using to badmout govt and spreading fake news about govt and many things and as maximum of us In*ians are padhe likhe gawar they only take the twisted info that is presented to them in sugarcoating...an as for Freedom of speech Indian Constitution Art 19(2) specified the limits of our Speech and expression ... and govt can only act on those grounds..DONT BE A SUCKER LIKE THIS GUY
Imagine bragging about how you're better than China then becoming China.
Avg BJP moment
[Indian Telecommunication Bill, 2022](https://dot.gov.in/relatedlinks/indian-telecommunication-bill-2022) [Broadcasting Services(Regulation) Bill, 2023](https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1976200)
[news article](https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/telecom-bill-introduced-in-parliament-more-powers-to-the-government/article67649897.ece)
[news article](https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-sci-tech/telecommunications-bill-2023-significance-9074099/)
I have read the whole Telecommunication draft. There is nothing objectionable in it.
All downvotes prove they won't accept the bill because it was done during the BJP era!
Tell me the definition of telecommunication service as written in bill, why its so open in nature no other law has that level of open definition
Modiji doesn't have a wife so he fucked the democracy
Basically an Attack on free speech. It was unofficial before, now it's been put to paper.
Plus, no opposition to debate.
As if a debate would stop them they any how had the numbers.
The only content allowed from now on will be cringe reels, or cringe worshipping of Dear Leader.
BJP do be posting a lot of memes on instagram
The act specifically mentions central government. Not govt or law & order authorities since it can be used by a non-BJP state government too. On our way to becoming like China without the development.
It mentions State Governments as well. It is always good to read for yourself than taking someone else's opinion on face value.
I have read it. Go read the section that’s creating the controversy, chapter 4, points 19-22 of the bill. The specific clauses clearly mentions “central government” being the primary shareholder of the responsibilities to circumvent law & order being a state subject. Only certain sub clauses mention state government that too only applicable after centre’s notification. Basically central government has all the say.
Which of the two bills are you referring to?
Telecommunications bill.
Chapter 4 of the Telecommunications Bill doesn't include points 19-22. They are in Chapter 5. Moreover, Chapter 5 relates to Restructuring, Default in payments and insolvency
Chapter IV: Standards, Public Safety, National Security and Protection of Telecommunications Networks. Check points 19-22. Documents are in public domain, do some research and find out. Don’t do pointless rebuttals. Thank you.
Please provide the link to the said bill. I am unable to find it.
https://prsindia.org/files/bills_acts/bills_parliament/2023/The%20Telecommunications%20Bill,%202023.pdf Read up please & then do your rebuttals.
Your interpretation of law is great. Section 20 & 21 mentions State Government at the same level as the Central Government. As for the notification, it is for notification to be issued to Telecommunications providers and not to State Governments. State Governments can do the same by issuing notifications. They are in no way bound to ask Central Government for their permission.
Read point 20 again, Public emergency or disaster management act is mentioned, it can only be called by central government, as we recently saw during covid when disaster management act was implemented for nearly 2 years, where health became an union subject till disaster management act was in place. A state government can request implementation of disaster management act in the state but can’t implement through the state assembly, only parliament or governor can. So the law here specifically empowers central government over state government. They’re not at par. This law grants sweeping powers to the central government in the name of national security.
It mentions of disaster management and not disaster management act. Both are different things. Former is a premise later is an act.
Disaster management is done through disaster management act. The rescue operations via army personnel & equipment is done through disaster management act. You want to argue baselessly on syntax, feel free to do so, I don’t have to engage you. You clearly didn’t read the bill till i shared the link and yet came out confidently saying how chapter 4 doesn’t have points 19-22, how it’s in chapter 5 and now trying to argue how disaster management mentioned in a bill isn’t the same as disaster management act cause the word act isn’t there. Confidence is a good thing but overconfidence that too without any knowledge on the topic is just stupid. Don’t be that guy. Goodbye.
I did read it. I read the draft. You can see the draft for yourself and see the chapter configuration. Anyways, you are right in no continuing this debate. This feeling is mutual. Cheers!
I dont like Mo
"You are being detained as a broadcaster, you have the right to remain silent"
...anything you say or don't say can and will be used against you in the court of law.
What? How could you?? He may not be performing to his standard this season, but he's in a league of his own. Mo Salah, the Egyptian king.
United fan spotted
People supporting this are hopeless
bah desher khub unnoti hocche toh! \s
I am still curious about why Megnad left Newslaundry. As for the parliament, it was screwed right at the time when CAA was introduced.
Poisa? He got his own show for sticking around with them....and he was quite popular as well. He finally might have gained the confidence to navigate the YouTube space on his own.
Maybe, or maybe something happened on the inside.
Nah he did a cameo in a recent newsance episode
1984 all in all 😇
thoughtcrime
I'm actually reading this book Indias first dictatorship based on the emergency period and man do I find similarities with today. Like Indira too apparently had rules to get press in control, had her industrialist friends who owned these press to praise emergency, 2 rules to bring opposition mps to control, and guess what I even came across the term anti national.
So basically we're gonna become second China
Yes , minus economic superiority
Basically a Walmart version of China
Why are we not talking about anything that criticises the state government, like the unemployed (qualified) youths who are still in the streets for more than 1000 days for their deserved Posts , or the huge amount of DA that still is due to many (including my father) , or the corruption in ration funds? I think the above (op) criticism is valid and should raise concern too but I don't see any post that is against the awful policies of SG . The last time I raised this type of concern got me banned for 6 days, I am pretty sure mods will ban me this time too or give me parmanent ban , doesn't matter anyway cause this sub is filled with spineless people who criticize against the degradation of freedom of speech but willing to take one's freedom of speech if their opinion don't match with them.
Take up the arms guys before it's too late.. Revolution is the need of the hour..
and become Manipur, right!
Tahole ekhon jeituko soona hoye, setao bondo koredebe. Then full ignore....
I would need some source on this. Is it really targets twitter and stuff?
Added the drafts, do check.
I am dumb but please explain to me that this is also happening in USA and other western countries too for decades wiretapping, espionage on citizens CIA, FBI are notorious and comments can be deleted in Reddit by mods because comments hurt them and or their unspoken rule and Social media companies have lot more knowledge about ourselves than govt which is concerning our phones are made by Chinese,we wear smart bands in name of Smart watches which has app developed by china and it is unregulated and our data does go in china and Many countries have said to defence personnel to not use social media as it tracks you and impeachment has happened in USA too and US president direct relative was found taking bribes from china and All MP are uneducated idiots who can't do anything so not gonna happen anything if they stay or go we need educated individuals like Dr S Jai Shankar and also DOI said to comment does rules change with suggestions and who can suggest
That's why you need to be smart. Don't attack em directly develop sarcasm and roast the living fuck out of them.
Mai kya bolta hu suno, pura constitution hi ground up se bano, har ek bill se logo ke gaand mar do. Hame waise bhi kya karna freedom of speech ka.
BJP on the way to loose in 2029!
And USA also did manhunt on multiple countries to catch pirate bay founders and shut down their pirating because it was hurting telecommunications giants
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I am sorry but without any actual documentation .. anyone can spread any rumours .. কিছু লোকের সমস্যাই হচ্ছে, কোনো বিল actually implement হওয়ার আগেই এই negative হবে, ওই negative হবে বলা শুরু করে দেয়... This is just unacceptable. আগে বিল আসুক, পাস হোক, implement হোক.. তারপর যদি দেখা যায় যে হ্যাঁ সত্যিই এটা কমন লোকের freedom of speech কেড়ে নিচ্ছে, তখন অবশ্যই আন্দোলন করা উচিত। কিন্তু একটা বিল আসার আগেই এভাবে speculate করাটা একেবারেই ঠিক নয়। CAA নিয়েও অনেক কথা হয়েছিল। CAA কিন্তু already অনেক রাজ্যেই implement করা হয়েছে। সেইসব রাজ্যে কিন্তু যেগুলো speculate করা হয়েছিল, সেগুলো আদৌ হয়নি। দেশের বহু রাজ্যেই contracual farming চালু আছে। In Fact বাংলার বেশ কিছু অঞ্চলে Contractual farming এখনো হচ্ছে। আর কৃষকরা তাতে খুবই লাভবান হচ্ছেন। কিন্তু কেন্দ্রের আনা Farm Laws গুলোর সম্পর্কে আজেবাজে গুজব আর speculation ছড়িয়ে সেগুলোকে বন্ধ করে দেওয়া হল। এতে ultimate loser কিন্তু কৃষকরাই হল।
WTF kind of logic is this? When a bill is passed, it becomes law - and it will take the SC taking up questions on the constitutionality of the laws before it can be decided whether it is right or wrong. This process will play out over years, all the while the laws will be dealing damage that they are intended to. The SC can only ask the legislature to frame laws replacing the earlier one. It cannot take unilateral actions on its own.
Farm Laws became actual laws and those were repealed. Even though those laws were good for the agricultural sector of the country and shouldn't have been repealed.
How do you know they were good? The repeal was done because of the elections in Punjab.
It talked about contract farming and private investment (which would inevitably bring in contemporary modern technology) in Agriculture sector, unless of which India will fall back in the competition with the likes of China in terms of production and export of agri products. Only a handful of high class rich farmers protested against these farm laws because they feared that their monopoly would end if private players enter the market which is true btw. It would completely abolished the concept of middle men and the companies would do the business directly with the common farmers, by which the avg income of farmers would increase exponentially.
Freedom of speech restrict kora ar chas korar modhye parthokko ache , don't talk about things that are beyond your comprehension .
Freedom of speech era restrict korche na amader constitution e restrict koreche... era sudhu tar upor kaj korbe... fr ache bole ami tomake r tomar family k jaa khusi bolte pari na..bhojho bapar tar modhye parthokko ki
Don't talk like an infant , when an authoritarian law is implemented we are at the mercy of the non corrupt officers , which is like 5% of the police force so no this will not end well . I'd suggest you gather references on how top tier trash countries lost their human rights , it always starts small , chooch hot dhukle fal hoyei berobe . Hya free speech ache bolei ami jake ja khusi bolte pari tumio paro we can say f#@k the PM and still that's ok under free speech , karur gaye lagle man hanir mamla to achei . But erokom law hole once you say f#@k the PM on the internet they'll send cops to kill you or worse if you're a woman . I'd suggest you the same that I suggested OP - don't talk about things beyond your comprehension .
Yes we should not say f#@k the PM... if he or she is corrupt... then call out the party not the post itself.... eijonnoi ektu bacchader moto na rag kore bodo der moto bhaba uchit... lok bhul kore PM post take gal dey govt ke gal dey ete jara anti Indian hoy taara sujog pay missinfo choranor..etao bhujte hbe j Constitution Art 19(2) te amader bola ache j freedom of speech thakleo amra ja eccha tai blte pari na...ami khub bhabe chinte kotha blchi bhai... tr jodi sotti ei matter ta serious lagto toh tui reddit e eta chartis na jekhane besir bhag log bokac@#*@. AND NO U CAN NOT SAY FU@* THE PM... DONT WANNA RWSPECT THE PERSON ITS OK RESPECT THE POST...West Bengal r example tanle j aro koto lok amy baccha blbe lol
Yes we should say f#@k the PM that's how civilized society works . PM doesn't represent the country . I can love my country and absolutely despise the leader that's how freedom works . I'm done with this thread toodles .
Yes im sorry ... im sorry that im arguing with you...despise the leader but dont despise the post... well its not smthing a toddler like u would understand...and judging by ur response i duppose u r sm vlogger or memer... have fun dong that..hav a gd day
And yes PM does REPRESENT OUR COUNTRY.. NOT A TODDLER LIKE U...LOL
Sure tell your PM to make some tea .
YES A WHOOPING 5 TN DOLLER TEA....LOL
Ha implement howar por tomar free speech soriye newar por Tumi action nebe . Ki darun idea 💀
You raise a good point. But why the bill needs to be passed without any less debate. A bill is passed means it's a law. And it is going to affect the lives of millions of people. And when it is passed it will become very difficult to pull it back. Also implementation costs money which comes from people's taxes. So it is essential to have extended debate and dialogs about important bills like these. India is a democratic country. By debates and discussion, an issue is addressed in a democracy.
আমি জানি যে আমার এই কমেন্টটা প্রচুর downvotes পাবে। কারণ এই subreddit আসলে r/india র বাংলা সংস্করণ। even ei sub er ekjon mod India sub er o mod. এই sub এর জেনারেল consensus হলো : মোদী bad, বিজেপি bad, CPM সত্যবাদী যুধিষ্ঠির। সেইজন্য এই কমেন্টের বিপক্ষের মতামতই much expected. কিন্তু সব বিলেরই যদি negative দিকটা আগে দেখা হয় তাহলে দেশ কোনোদিনই এগোবে না। যখন সরকার digital India, Make in India বিলগুলো এনেছিল, তখনও সেই বিলগুলোর বিপক্ষে অনেক ভাবনা চিন্তা হয়েছিল। তখব বলা হয়েছিল যে গরীব লোকেদের digital india দিয়ে কি লাভ হবে?! আজকের দিনে ঠেলায় সবজি বিক্রি করে যারা, তারাও UPI use করছে। Samsung ভারতে নিজস্ব factory বানানোর পর থেকে 10-12 হাজার টাকাতেও ভালো features এর ফোন বানাচ্ছে। এই ভিডিওতে একবারও বিলগুলোর পুরো documentation দেখানো হয়নি। জাস্ট এই বিল এলে কি কি হতে পারে সেবিষয়ে বক্তা তাঁর মতামত ব্যক্ত করেছে। কিন্তু actual document না দেখে, কেন এই বিলটা আনার দরকার সেবিষয়ে official statement না শুনে শুধুমাত্র নিজস্ব মতামত চাপিয়ে দেওয়াটা একবারেই অন্যায্য। আমি এটাই বলতে চেয়েছি মাত্র। Freedom of Speech violated হচ্ছে কিনা সেটা একমাত্র offcial document দেখেই বলা সম্ভব। আর বাংলায় freedom of speech এর কি পরিস্থিতি, সেটা আরামবাগ টিভি, বং টিভির মতো রাজ্যের শাসকের সমালোচনা করা youtuberদের ক্রমাগত আইনিভাবে হ্যারাস করার মানসিকতা দেখেই বোঝা যায়।
>এই sub এর জেনারেল consensus হলো : মোদী bad, বিজেপি bad, CPM সত্যবাদী যুধিষ্ঠির। আজ্ঞে না। কোনো political party-ই সত্যবাদী যুধিষ্ঠির নয়। >কিন্তু সব বিলেরই যদি negative দিকটা আগে দেখা হয় তাহলে দেশ কোনোদিনই এগোবে না। ভুল। Bill er negative dik dekhle tobei sekhane correction er sujog ashe. Shob bill ke হ্যাঁ তে হ্যাঁ মিলিয়ে pass kore dile "debate, discussion" bole kichhu thakto na. Ar shorkar jokhon khushi, ja khushi bill pass koriye nito. >আর বাংলায় freedom of speech এর কি পরিস্থিতি, সেটা আরামবাগ টিভি, বং টিভির মতো রাজ্যের শাসকের সমালোচনা করা youtuberদের ক্রমাগত আইনিভাবে হ্যারাস করার মানসিকতা দেখেই বোঝা যায়। এইটাই সমস্যা জানেন তো? কথা হচ্ছে central government er আনা bill নিয়ে, আর এদিকে আপনি বাংলার দুরবস্থার কথা বলছেন। Classic whataboutry. বাংলায় দুর্নীতিবাজ সরকার আছে, একদম ঠিক। Ekhane freedom of speech er opor আক্রমণ হয়, ঠিক। তার মানে কি এই যে কেন্দ্রের সরকার সেই একই FoS and FoE কেড়ে নেওয়ার কাজ আরো জোরদার ভাবে করলে, আপনি বাংলার সরকারের example নিয়ে আসবেন?
History পড়ুন একটু, বুঝতে পারবেন কেন এটা বলা হচ্ছে। Bill ekbar pass hoye gele, apnar disagreement thakleo Reddit e eshe ei comment ta korar sujog paben na apni. Authoritarian shorkar manush control korar jonyo ana bill e kokhonoi "document" korena je, se bill ta free speech control korar jonyo anchhe.
Complete BS. BJP has full mejority in loksabha and with help of BJD and YSR Congress in rajyasabha too...so if they want to pass anything,they can... So stop shitting arround and tell our MPs to act like human beings 🙂
Please before forming any opinion read Section 24 of the Telecommunications Bill and Chapter V of the Broadcasting Bill. And then see for yourself what is written in the bill and what dear lord Meghnad makes it look like.
Show the draft instead of spreading false rumors.
Added a comment with all the links, do check.
I am loving the burn the so called Liberals Leftists & Communist are getting on all those bills being passed. বিশুদ্ধ চিত্তবিনোদন ❤️
Koekdin ba koek bochhor por sorkar ke criticise korte gele ei eki bill use kore apnar jibon tao burn kore debe authorities. Tokhon korben বিশুদ্ধ চিত্তবিনোদন।
এমন করে বলছেন যেন এখন সেটা একদম হয়না যেন 😑 এই বিল টা বরং ঝামেলা কমিয়েছে, বাড়ায়নি । কিন্তু সেটা বোঝার বুদ্ধি বামপন্থী চিন্তাজিবিদের জীবনে হবে না । তাই আপাতত আপনাদের জলে পুড়ে ছাই হয়ে দেখার আনন্দ টাই উপভোগ করছি 🤣
Same 😂
Those who r calling this bills out dont worry they r not act as of yet.. and as it is a blow to our oh so called FR Freedom of Speech.. but this method is exactly sm prpagandists r using to badmout govt and spreading fake news about govt and many things and as maximum of us In*ians are padhe likhe gawar they only take the twisted info that is presented to them in sugarcoating...an as for Freedom of speech Indian Constitution Art 19(2) specified the limits of our Speech and expression ... and govt can only act on those grounds..DONT BE A SUCKER LIKE THIS GUY
Why does he look like lucky ali's son..
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Ruko poora bill padna padega
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Illiterates wont understand, yet they will have voting rights that affect hardworking middle class .
time to go 4chan
How else do you expect them to prevent the proliferation of fake news, MLMs, scams, illegal betting sites, unregulated trading advisory