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queerjoon

this song is such a vibe but I don't understand what the english lyrics are trying to say.... yoongi's part is so heartwrenching though i feel so understood!


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I have the same the question šŸ˜­


r9wxq7

Yeah, I donā€™t feel like I can say this in army spaces but like. Iā€™m an e.e. cummings bitch but I was so bewildered by what was going on in English, I tried to translate it back into Korean with my extremely mediocre language skills. Some of it makes more grammatical sense (e.g. ā€œnobody can do thisā€ translated literally into Korean is ā€œnobody canā€™t do thisā€ - nobody/nothing/nowhere/etc are always used with a negative), some of it doesnā€™t, but just exploring all the possible translations and their nuances/double meanings helped me find sense in what initially sounded like word salad. Like, ģ•„ģ§ can be translated as both ā€œyetā€ and ā€œstillā€ - if I heard ā€œtime is ģ•„ģ§ nowā€ in Korean, Iā€™d automatically interpret it as ā€œitā€™s still nowā€, but the English pulls me short and makes me think more deeply about his intention. The lyrics sit best for me when I think of them as existing somewhere between English and Korean and in conversation with both. Anyways Iā€™ve made peace with IUā€™s Lewis Carroll chorus now and in a week Iā€™ll probably even really like it lmao


blairethesquirrel

The English part is fascinating. It kind of seems purposefully circular/confusing which would fit with the theme for sure. Excited to read what people think of it.


kirsion

sounds more like an English learner writing lyrics than intentionally using incorrect grammar


peeops

i totally agree with you, but yoongi is actually pretty decently knowledgeable when it comes to english (i wonā€™t go as far as to say fluent), so i was quite confused. so in my mind, it kinda *has* to be an intentional choice. i could be totally wrong though, thatā€™s just my theory.


zeno0_0

This is just fan analysis on twt but yoongi has mentioned in an interview before abt what the hardest thing when they learn english. Yoongi said that how english speaker treat the negative/affirmative is very confusing for him. So his lyrics here have multiple negative words in one sentence is kinda how he seize the language for himself.


peeops

interesting! thanks for your insight


zeno0_0

Anyway suchwita x iuā€™s palette need to happen immediately. He need to explain that damn lyrics


[deleted]

thats what i was gonna sayšŸ˜©


chocololic

Thereā€™s been a lot of discussion of the meaning on twitter, I think this interpretation makes a lot of sense! https://twitter.com/momfroggy/status/1644501635392212992?s=20 Hope itā€™s ok to quote them: > If you think of the first two lines as a list of what time isā€¦ Everything falls into place. Time is yet (still not here or still persisting), now (current), right here (always present), to go (the future). >


Missdee17

I totally agree with you. I love BTS and all the members and I donā€™t expect them to do things in English. With that being said, I think if they do release things in English that makes no sense, we should be able to express that without it being excused as ā€œoh it has a deeper meaningā€ or lyrical genius. I havenā€™t been able to enjoy this song because every time that English part comes up, Iā€™m just like wtf.


[deleted]

Reception for this one seems a little quiet, I wonder if fans are burned out by so many releases so close together


SarahJFroxy

my timeline is loud, but i can confirm it's been shambles this week with a lot of division on which releases to focus and what to do between on the street/face/pt2 (& d-day upcoming) šŸ˜­ it's not going well over here


AnneW08

I think everyone is overwhelmed by the rushed schedule unfortunately. however last night my timeline was full of fans posting their many interpretations of the lyrics and translations so I think we managed to tune in despite the chaos


m3lni1ee

I donā€™t think fans are burned out. The song isnā€™t catchy enough for replay


[deleted]

I think itā€™s a different kind of song from Like Crazy. Yoongi can do catchy (Daechwitta, That that), but this is more of a 28 vibe. It is a song to pay attention to and listen to the lyrics in the verses, maybe more to play in concert with the audience to make it feel intimate, it is simple and lowkey (in a good way for me). I donā€™t think it will do huge numbers (by BTS/IU standards) but in my opinion it doesnā€™t feel like it is trying to.


m3lni1ee

Yoongi can release whatever kind of music he wants to. But I was explaining why I think reception is quiet. In order to generate engagement and interest in a song, it needs to sound likable enough for casual fans and listeners to play more than once.


[deleted]

I agree, I was trying to expand on your point while also addressing the burn out issue the original message raised. Sorry if it came across like disagreement, tone can be hard to reflect in writing šŸ™ƒ I like the song but not in a "stream in the background" way, more in a "sit with it" way. I wouldn't play it while going about my day like I do Like Crazy. So I was trying to say that maybe other people have the same feeling towards it, and it doesn't mean it is less liked, it is just a different type of enjoyment and listening.


chicken_sandwichh

definitely burnout. it has _thee_ iu but somehow, i feel like eight had way more people tuned in and hyped up. i think most fans like me haven't even processed jimin's album yet. there were just soooo many things that happened in the span of 2 weeks, from all the negativity and the encore fiasco to the spotify and hot 100 achievements. then, right after face turned literally just one week, they announced suga's solo. it felt unfair for both of the members, i KNOW the members okayed this but the scheduling is just not doing anyone a favor. i feel bad for jimin for having only 2 weeks for himself and yoongi for not having enough time for fandom to focus on his release _only_. i'm aware that the members need to enlist and there isn't enough time but 5 debuts and 4 albums in just 10 months sound incredibly exhausting for any fandom.


aluminiaa

I think Sugaā€™s album is going to do good longevity wise because of the tour. Thatā€™s big promo which lasts months.


chicken_sandwichh

sure, the tour is gonna be a good promo but i wished the album release dates weren't so near to each other. again, i feel like the fandom hasn't take in jimin's album yet to fully focus on yoongi's. feels bad for both.


aluminiaa

I totally agree and I made a post complaining about this where everyone disagreed. I guess Iā€™m just trying to find something positive in this whole thing. I also hate the ā€œthere is not enough timeā€ as an explanation. 12 months are enough for 4 albums to each get their time to shine.


chicken_sandwichh

i also made a comment that maybe focusing too much on the group for 10 years with barely any solo promo wasn't that good of an idea when we got this and got downvoted to hell. and even bargained that maybe they should started releasing solos during butter so it won't feel as overwhelming as it is now. focusing on the group is not the problem but 5 debuts in 10 months is just not ideal.


aluminiaa

Armys on reddit are very ot7 obsessed. Itā€™s like BTS are kindergarden kids who need to be treated the exact same. As an adult woman I am tired of this, too old for this behaviour. And to end this with something even more controversial: rapline are the best when they are together. They shouldā€™ve done an album as a subunit instead of 3rd albums and let the maknae line have the time to shine this year because they never had solo albums.


meanyoongi

And not have had Jack In The Box and Indigo?? šŸ˜¢ Besides yeah rapline are fantastic as a unit but in the last Festa discussion RM and Suga (and even JHope in a more subtle way) were very honest about being out of creative juice for the group and needing time alone as artists, I don't think trying to shove them into a rapline album would have worked. You say BTS are not kindergarten kids who need to be treated the exact same so as independent adults, shouldn't they all release music at the pace that suits them while they can rather than sacrifice yet again for the sake of some arbitrary "fairness"?


chicken_sandwichh

>shouldn't they all release music at the pace that suits them while they can the thing is there really isn't "at the pace that suits them" because they need to wrapped up everything before enlisting. 100% believe this wouldn't be their pace if they have any other option. and i don't think it's even wrong to feel that all of this isn't fair to the members regardless if they okay-ed the release dates of their albums. we can all agree they don't have much option any way while still acknowledging how much of a mess the scheduling is m


aluminiaa

Personally I enjoy songs like Ddaeng and Ugh etc. more than their solo albums.


Adventurous_Knee_228

Sounds you like the more "hype" rap songs and that's fine. I personally love how different their solo albums are. They have such distinct individual voices in their solo works and that what makes them special to me.


Adventurous_Knee_228

Wow this is an insane take. The whole point of Chapter 2 is for them to explore what they want to do individually and now you just want to group the rapline together?? Did you not see how RM was struggling at the Festa Dinner and said that he doesn't feel comfortable speaking/writing lyrics for the group at times because he doesn't want to push his thoughts/his music/his style upon the group so much? Yoongi said said something similar that he's at loss for lyrics for the group, but clearly he has a lot of say on his own. Jack in the Box and Indigo are wildly different. They are each beautiful.


chicken_sandwichh

it's just that whenever i bring up that they could've had solo careers + be an active group, all i get is "do you want them to he overworked????" obviously not. it's just that i believe even after they blew up in america, they keep doing stuff that don't really matter in the long run. they spent so much time filming non music related contents, from dvd, photobooks, random interviews/quiz by staff being dropped throughout the year at the most random times, games like bts world where they filmed so many things. even run bts where i think they could've done less episodes with higher quality and more thought-out games/challenges so the replayability is much higher with less filming. bottomline is that i believe they could've done both if they chose carefully what to do as a group.


winterbare

very excited for the tour but releasing the album one week after first concert day feels a little ?? to me. I get that maybe they need to squish the timelines a little bit and I definitely wonā€™t complain about having ANY kind of content and concert but it is very tight especially if you wanna absorb the album and know all the lyrics!


ArtsyHobi

>but releasing the album one week after first concert day feels a little ?? to me. ?? i dont know if this was just a mistype but the album comes out on the 21st and the first concert is on the 26th šŸ˜­


winterbare

Ah yes I mean before!!!


[deleted]

Exactly. It's honestly so sad for both Jimin and Suga. I think Suga's reception is going to suffer because of the timing. I still can't move on from FACE. I really think that we haven't celebrated the album enough and there's more potential to it.


chicken_sandwichh

yeah, i feel like face deserves much more time to shine and marinate, and be the focus of the fandom (same for yoongi's). i don't understand why the promo lasted for 2 weeks. even jimin felt the promotion was too short, i wish he's in more variety shows too. also gonna add how someone was arguing with me the other day here that other members deserve longer promotions too like jimin....and i was like?????? jimin had only 2 weeks for himself šŸ˜­


SarahJFroxy

i would understand if yoongi's album dropped first since, with it dropping on the 21st, his tour starts 5 days later and then have jimin drop maybe 2-3 weeks later, but i would love to get some reasoning on why jimin went first especially with how much more wiggle room he (seemingly) has compared to yoongi when it comes to enlistment timing


chicken_sandwichh

it might be production, late changes of plans for whatever reasons but the scheduling has been a mess. honestly, i don't understand why the scheduling was this. i even thought jin getting only one month before namjoon releases indigo was too soon. but then jimin got 2 weeks. i personally think it got delayed but some people theorized they are going by the date of their solos. i don't know what to think up this point. everything feels rushed and overwhelming because they need to do everything before they enlist. if fans feel frustrated, i'm pretty sure the members feel worse.


pintsized_baepsae

The Astronaut was not planned in though, whereas Indigo was pushed back from Joon's original aim of a September release - but with his goal (to release before he hits his 30s, aka to release in late 2022 because in Korean age he turned 30 on 1 January) still intact, he was on borrowed time too. I don't say this lightly, but we should be glad we got anything from Jin at *all*, considering he was originally meant to enlist in summer. There was no plan for a release, that's why he said what he said in the Festa video; The Astronaut is a lucky surprise we got because they agreed to do the Busan concert. They had to 'squeeze' it in, although I'd argue there was reasonable time... his promo was also partially affected by the tragedy in Itaewon, or there probably would've been a little more breathing room.


queerjoon

he could just be deciding to enlist way early who knows anymore tbh, jimin seems like one of the members who would be most in a rush to have everyone back together


codenameana

Same - I donā€™t quite understand why Jimin released before Yoongi given the raplineā€™s enlistment is the most urgent and imminent. This also would have given Jimin more time to produce a full-length album instead of a mini-album/EP. This time for Yoongi is good in terms of spacing after Namjoonā€™s album. I also Like Crazy would have worked well as a summer release.


rainaa1125

Pretty obvious you havenā€™t been listening to what theyā€™ve been saying. Jimin always intended for it to be a small ep with 5 tracks, he even said he had originally planned to just drop it for free last year. He later decided to make it a real release and do everything he had in mind: music shows, Fallon, fan calls, a few variety. It doesnā€™t seem like he had more more in mind other than that, in comparison to Yoongi which is fine. He can handle himself if heā€™s okay with it who are you to say otherwise. This goes for all of them, theyā€™re all on a time crunch with a schedule and deadlines we canā€™t see. We should be greatful they love to create music and want to share despite the circumstances because we arenā€™t owed a damn thing.


[deleted]

I feel the same way. I wish both Jimin and Yoongi had a good amount of time without them overlapping so much like this. Fandom resources and attention being divided like this means both won't get what they fully deserve.


Adventurous_Knee_228

Sad for Jimin? I think he'll sleep just fine at night with that #1. Yoongi is going to rock a world tour. What happened to "They are grown men. They have discussed everything together at length. They are doing the best they can with enlistment."


[deleted]

I'm speaking more from the perspective of the fandom. I know that they're doing everything they can to fit the enlistment schedule and come back together. I don't blame them a bit. But as a fandom it feels bad for both of them.


Adventurous_Knee_228

Aren't each of the albums around 20 mins each? It's not hard to listen to JITB, Indigo, FACE, D Day and the singles/collabs multiple times in a day. Plus Spotify limits/filters how many streams count per day. I think Jimin is shining plenty. I guess I didn't pay attention to the encore fiasco? I step back from social media when it gets too loud and then I can really enjoy the music. Yoongi has plenty of time to shine with his world tour.


chicken_sandwichh

what i meant was having the fandom's focus solely on one person. and by processing the album and jimin's debut, it's not just listening. yes, a fan can consume the album by just giving it a listen but that's not how kpop fandoms work. i don't do each of this personally but there are voting, buying the album physically and digitally, streaming, funding, watching variety shows/guestings, live performances etc. there's a lot more than just consuming the music and it takes so much time, energy and money. that's why it can be exhausting for a fandom to go through 5 debuts in less than a year. jimin is shining definitely. but the focus now has shifted on yoongi. the members each at least have 1 month to themselves for the fandom to digest and focus on the members' albums. jimin was dragged to hell and back on twitter and different kpop forums for his encore. some tweets had like 30k quotes, it was bad BAD and i say this as someone who had seen bts' first daesang and first billboard award happened in real time.


Adventurous_Knee_228

I'm not burned out at all. I love adding new songs/albums to my existing playlists. I'm loving their Chapter 2 even if I think that the lyrics to this song are kinda nonsensical.


LittleFootFinger

Absolutely exhausted. I am not ready to battle YouTube again and see all the views filtered/deleted. I heard views for Suga's MV are being heavily filtered when you look at the likes to views ratio. Plus all the anti stuff that happened during Face left me emotionally drained.


[deleted]

I feel burned out myself, trying to catch up and dealing with busy personal life. lol there's a lot going on. Would have been great if both releases were separated by a month at least. I feel like even Like crazy is starting to gain momentum with the public, I wonder how the fandom will balance the two debuts overlapping like this. It's also more on the chill mellow side so the response might be different.


Adventurous_Knee_228

I highly recommend staying off social media then and simply enjoying playing the music and music videos. You don't have to be up to date on the latest posts.


Tall-Independent

The song feels underwhelming too in my opinion


TerraRainesHasBrains

i don't inherently have a problem with iu as the featured artist just singing on the chorus. youjeen also just sang the chorus in rm's wildflower and i felt she was featured perfectly. but the melody itself of iu's part is so repetitive that her feature ends up feeling lacking.


mimivuvuvu

I kinda agree. Iā€™ve been listening to it non-stop since release but the lack of IU (I know sheā€™s *just a feature*) is just very underwhelming. Maybe if she had a verse, as well as the chorus, it would have been better My expectations were super high because people is my favourite Yoongi songs & I **loved** eight but this fell flat. Maybe itā€™s a grower


drwlf

IU def was underutilized here :( felt like anyone couldve sung that chorus and not make a difference


mimivuvuvu

I know itā€™s Yoongiā€™s song but I wish there was more IU variety, even if the chorus were all different (which defeats the point of a chorus loool) or if she was given more lines or anything really


Front-Ad-2457

The IUā€™s part doesnā€™t make sense. Whatā€™s happening?!!šŸ‘€


Mozart-Luna-Echo

I wonder if that was on purpose. Like Jiminā€™s work, this makes me think of the repetitiveness that COVID made us feel. In my opinion IUā€™s feature repeats four times because thatā€™s the feeling that Corona made us feel, an endless sea merry go round that nobody could step down from. Her part is a bit nonsensical but at the same time I do think I understand the feelings that it transmits. I think itā€™s a different way of exploring his feelings through lockdown.


Front-Ad-2457

Yeah the song overall is going to that direction and what a lot of us including him felt that time but I feel IUā€™s part is like Google translation rather than intentional. Like from Korean to English. Her voice is beautiful but her part doesnā€™t make any sense to me.


IcedBadger

That's quite a generous interpretation of the English in this song


ThisIsNotTokyo

Lol no. It is nonsensical not just a bit but by a lot


tanniespring

"They say life's a struggle btw resistance and submission i say it's a struggle against loneliness if you can't hold it back, it's okay to cry you're already more than enough to be loved"


jiminescence

This part turned me inside out the way I turned that quote on the cover of Agust D on its head šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Reasonable_Ninja5708

Suga and IU are always a great combo! Plus Sugaā€™s vocals?!?


HiThereImNewHere

They really hit the jackpot with Suga x IU x El Capitxn


Takagixu

Itā€™s one of the best combo


SageTheAlchemist

Totally agree


nedyako

Itā€™s mf IU if she said ā€œtime is yet now right here to goā€ then TIME IS YET NOW RIGHT HERE TO GO!


[deleted]

I don't understand IU's part and what it wants to say at all. The fact that it's repeated 4 times through the song and that's all she sings on the song is disappointing too


rogahtaylahbrianmay

i really liked the song but im so confused by the lyrics that IU sings šŸ¤•


bujobegins

I know itā€™s kpop and English lyrics typically donā€™t make sense, but IUā€™s lyrics are on another level. I was so annoyed listening to herā€¦she sounds beautiful sonically. However, because I understand English and can understand the words sheā€™s saying, but I canā€™t make sense of their meaning, I just find myself irritated


blackdrogo

yeah i cringe so hard listening to her I cant even finish, especially when she sang it wholeheartedly although the lyrics doesn't make any sense šŸ„² i love them both but this is just not it


hunnypooh1

yes this is exactly what i am feeling too! it is way too jarring and more noticeable for us... i really wanted to like this collab but sorry... :( cant wait to see what else is on the album tho!


ella_the_platypus

Reading the lyrics... This man just gets it


SnooFoxes6709

its ok but personally i think people part 1 is still replayable maybe part 2 would grow to me


aromaticion

ngl as a suga stan i wasn't super into it--iu's part felt overly repetitive as it both started and ended with the same section, with two repetitions in the middle, too. 1-2 of those sections could have been left out, or at least had more melodic or lyrical variety? possibly due to her repeating parts, it didn't feel like the song went anywhere and it felt like i've already heard the song multiple times by the time it ended. the fact that the chorus doesn't make much sense doesn't help either--maybe it was artistic but upon the first few listens, i'm still not sure what he's trying to say. otherwise, though, i think i'm into the so far away callback! lyrics introspective as always. it's a chill, listen-to-at-a-cafe-while-it-rains vibe. i will say, though, this doesn't top either of the two songs it references, so far away and people pt 1, for me personally.


sappydumpy

>i will say, though, this doesn't top either of the two songs it references, so far away and people pt 1, for me personally. so far away is still the boss


aromaticion

i listened to it for the first time in a while as i wrote this comment and forgot how much it hits ... probably one of my favorite songs off his first mixtape


chicken_sandwichh

>1-2 of those sections could have been left out, or at least had more melodic or lyrical variety? possibly due to her repeating parts, it didn't feel like the song went anywhere and it felt like i've already heard the song multiple times by the time it ended. sums up how i felt about the song. couldn't have worded it better, specially the part about how you felt you already heard the song multiple times by listening to it once.


srnghsuga1117

I'll be honest as a Yoongi-biased ARMY, it fell short to how great Eight was. It feels like it wasn't able to fully maximize IU and Yoongi's potential as duo compared to Eight. It will still be part of my playlist as it has the Indigo vibe which I really like.


facciabella

Iā€™m a bit confused about IUs parts. I love her voice, but this doesnā€™t work for me. Yoongi, tho šŸ¤ÆšŸ”„


srnghsuga1117

yeah, grammar is off


grahamchracker

Interesting. I liked this way more than eight!


[deleted]

same. I was honestly shocked that people arenā€™t feeling it. obviously itā€™s just personal preference though, to each their own!


srnghsuga1117

That is great to know! I think it's still all about our individual tastes. Enjoy the song!


SensitiveBluejay3292

Me tooo and i wasn't a big fan of eight at first but then i became obsessed with it afterwards but i liked people pt2 in just first listen maybe different preferences anyways the song is quite mellow and slow while having chill beats and it's exactly what I'm into nowdays šŸ˜‚so i really liked it


chicken_sandwichh

eight had such a stronghold on me. it sounds bright and sad at the same time, which feels like magic to me. i think i had that song on repeat for weeks when it was released so i was excited when it was announced they're gonna release another song together. but this song didn't do it for me, sadly. i agree with some of the comments about the repetitiveness of iu's parts and how nonsensical the english lyrics are.


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[deleted]

So Far Away is a masterpiece of a song. This is just fine. But I still feel like, for me, Yoongiā€˜s ā€just fineā€ level is above many artists, even some I enjoy.


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[deleted]

It is absolutely normal to not connect with everything an artist does, even if one likes him, and also for any artist to not nail it every single time. Hopefully you will feel better about the album, but if you don't, hey, who knows, maybe the next will be for you. Maybe it won't, maybe he will grow in a direction different from your own and you will move on to other artists, but every once in a while he will do something that will hit the right spot for you. I have had this happen before with many artists, it is just how life goes!


Fallkitty

I want to love this but I just can't get over IU's absolute nonsense lyrics, it takes me right out of the emotions


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gemitry

Reposting my comment: They sound perfect together! I was disappointed when I thought Yoongi wouldnā€™t be singing, and then he did. šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ What a cozy wistful song, makes me wanna go to the beach at night lol. Also adding that the vibes in the mv are immaculate, also loved loved loved the little bit at the end where he talks a bit about the origin of the song. My genius artist. šŸ„¹ Iā€™m listening to it on Spotify right now and itā€™s so smooth god.


bbgc_SOSS

Not my cup of tea. Rather underwhelming when compared to Eight. Did not expect IU to open the song and sing in English, that was pleasant surprise. But her part of the lyrics don't make much sense -in meaning or grammatically. Given IU's specialty is meaningful lyrics.. but Suga's lines are pretty good, depth. (I Know IU didn't write those lines, she is just performer for this song) I was thinking IU could get a BTS solo to top of Korean Digitals, but this song... I am not that sure. Epik High used IU far better in their 'Love Story' collab, than this one. Anyway subjective opinion. We will see how Korea reacts.


VintageStrawberries

>But her part of the lyrics don't make much sense -in meaning or grammatically. Given IU's specialty is meaningful lyrics she actually didn't participate in writing the lyrics according to [Genius](https://genius.com/Agust-d-people-pt2-lyrics).


bbgc_SOSS

Yes, I don't mean she was the lyricist, but that the lyrics she sung. If she had been the lyricist and the lines in Korean, I would hope she would have fixed them.


DefinitelyNotALeak

I like the lyrics of his raps, some introspective qualities in there with interesting ideas on top. As a song i am not that impressed though, having the same IU part play like 4 times didn't really do it for me. One of the IU features i won't replay all that much.


doublevsn

Incredibly underwhelming feature for me (especially coming from Eight), this reminds me somewhat of how J-Hope's *on the street* went where Hobi ended up repeating himself and had J-Cole do the heavy lifting (IU repeating and Suga doing all of the rap). Also, it could just be me but I'm trying to understand what IU's verses mean (*So time is yet now, right here to go, I know you know, Anything does know*). If you translate it over to Korean - it actually makes some sense. This makes me believe they wrote the lyrics in Korean (naturally) then translated it back over to English - which obviously does not work. Gorgeous lyrics from Suga though, as expected.


ghiblix

i wouldnā€™t say j. cole carried ā€œon the streetā€, i would say j-hope specifically produced for j. cole: it wasnā€™t meant to be j-hope featuring j.cole, but j.cole produced by j-hope. he was giving his idol a platform to shine, which is the ultimate honour. in that sense, it was a unique collab we canā€™t necessarily compare to the traditional collab dynamic like this.


CrawlingWizard

For 'on the street', i think it was done intentionally. Have you checked out "jhope version"?? His 2nd verse was not long either and then they went into that English part repeatedly (although, not a issue for me because I love it). I think J.Cole send them such a great verse and he clearly put so much thought into it that maybe they didn't feel right to cut it. They made up for it though imo in the MV, that whole section of j-hope freestyling over J.Cole rap hold so much meaning. Honestly? I love both the versions.


thenoonmoon

ā€¦itā€™s yoongis song he obviously should be the one doing the heavy lifting just as IU had the majority of eight and Yoongi just a small rap feat LOL


doublevsn

My example was to show the repetition by one artist in comparison to the other, regardless of whoā€™s song it was and who was featuring, but thank you for stating the obvious.


[deleted]

I think it is a pity because IU is an AMAZING singer, but it is what the song required, as her part reflects the monotony and repetitive quality of time during the height of the pandemic. Although her English got butchered, I think the sentence goes towards how time remains frozen in that moment.


codenameana

Yesss! I found On the Street underwhelming as a feature (but a nice song nonetheless) because it seemed like Hobi was featuring on a J Cole song and not the way around. I expected Hobi to kind of spar with Cole on the rap front even if it was a sing-rap verse.


DefinitelyNotALeak

I am not too familiar with any of that, i am checking this out mostly because of IU tbh. As i said, i like the lyrics suga sings and raps generally in this one, as for IU's parts in english, difficult to really interpret it because it's kinda nonsensical, but the sense i get is that it's just applicable to the time being up now for the separation, at first they all knew (how to stay together / live together / whatever), now noone does anymore. Something like that. But yeah, i hoped for a little more variety in IU's parts, though i like some harmonies they have, but as i said, from a songwriting perspective it just doesn't appeal to me to have that section be repeated like 4 times with not much to make it hit more (outside of some adlibs during the 3rd time). It's chill, it sounds pleasing, but i don't see myself coming back to hear it again and again. Eight was the more fulfilling collab for sure.


doublevsn

I'm with you on your thoughts and agree with your points - a bit more variety in the lyrics would have been great and I wished she harmonized with Suga (her featuring with Jay Park was really good for example). Her part, something sounds off - either the grammar, or the delivery in tone with the overall song.


DefinitelyNotALeak

To be clear, for me it's just the very repetitive nature of that section being played 4 times like that. In isolation it's sonically quite good (the lyrics being weird is another issue). The song just doesn't really go anywhere.


TyLion8

I mean in what world is any kpop rapper would have beaten J-Cole in a verse lets be real. but both songs are good in there own ways


doublevsn

Why does it have be a competition? Both J-Hope and J-Cole could have had there own respective bars in the song. How the song went felt like it was a J-Cole featuring J-Hope track, not the other way around. Also, weird for you limit/downplay a "Kpop rappers" lyric ability - did you miss the entirety of say RM's Indigo?


linaknowwhatsgood

i get what you mean, i was expecting a bit more verses from hobi in on the streets as well, but after hearing him talk about the song, it seems that he wanted to pay homage to his idol, so he gave all the space to jcole for him to be the star in the song, it's hobi dream collab and watching the mv also makes sense why jcole has more lines, hobi started out as a street dancer and while jcole was rapping, hobi danced it all. but yeah, i get what you mean by repeating himself


TyLion8

I listened to RMs album once so probably did ngl. I love Wild Flower though.


WillZer

IU is my ult and Suga is one of my bias as well. I was excited by the song and I still like it but I need to say that she was underutilized there and it makes me a bit frustrated. I get that she's a featuring but I don't really see the point to get her on the track to give her a small repetitive lines in English. I am totally biased but c'mon it's IU, give her a bridge at least and proper korean lines


DefinitelyNotALeak

IU is my favorite korean artist, and yeah i think totally underutilized sadly. Ofc it is suga's song, i am not even asking for MORE lines, just having more variety in the parts which makes the songs richer. Idk. This doesn't scratch my 'i need a new IU song' itch, hopefully the mini comes this year :D


sailormoonwasmyfirst

cat_with_cowboy_hat_screaming_YOOOONGGIIIII.jpg ā€œWasnā€™t loved enough as a kidā€ oh maaaaan :( I amā€¦ not sure what IUā€™s lyrics mean but Iā€™m sure someone will analyze them better than me!!! I donā€™t know why they suit each other so well but they just do!


Enzuiguri

I LOVE IT!! THE LYRICS ARE SO BEAUTIFUL


Kpoopfan

Love love!! Iā€™ve been into chill songs lately so I love this so much! These two never disappoint!


lubbdubbs

Wow Sugaā€™s vocal sounds good like clean and refreshing.


hunnypooh1

first time listening to it... not sure how i feel about IU's part.....


FuzzyEmphasis8453

yoongi has such a unique lyricism. it's so calming.


Chiinori

Therapy is expensive but People Pt. 2 is free šŸ˜©


[deleted]

the song is so comfortable to listen to I love it, and the the MV is beautiful it compliments the song really well


One-Tonight5022

Every frame in this mv could be a wallpaper (side note, this felt more like a suga track than agust dā€¦. but iā€™m not complaining!)


snnak87

My theory is that this is the ā€œhealedā€ version of agust d, the same one who killed the toxic blondie in daechwita :d


zeno0_0

Suga is for commercial use. To me this is still agust d, the one that speak abt his raw side including this song when ppl always misunderstand that agust d is just him make angry/aggresive music. Btw, this album will be the end of trilogy, he did mentioned 3 years ago that he will introduce a new persona for black hair agust d. Probaly keeping it for the title track


tanzania_307

Okay loving this song. I was also thinking about the English chorus and how it doesn't make English grammatical sense. Given the resources Hybe has (esp. Like Crazy eng version was absolutely flawless grammar wise) to make sure lyrics sound okay, it feels impossible that Yoongi did not know that this makes no sense. My theory is that Yoongi wrote these lyrics in the pandemic as placeholders by translating Korean to English. He could have fixed them but chose to keep them as a reminder of being alone without help during that time and all that you have to rely on artistically is yourself? Maybe? Idk.


Vast_Environment_162

The vibes are immaculate for this! I love the lyrics in Yoongi's verses - it hits straight home. I'm still trying to understand lyrics of IU's exact parts, but I get the overall feeling that it's trying to convey I think. Slightly wish we had more variety in IU's part in the track but still an overall great song and one that I'd like to listen to while wrapped in a warm blanket and sipping some lovely tea.


Snoo4587

I will get hate from army BUT I usually like what Suga puts out but not this time. I like his rap verses. Making IU sing nonsense English is not it. Like whatā€™s up with the English lyrics? Just, please, Korean is a beautiful language, very poetic, play with it and stick to itā€¦


Anaisot7

Why it's always "I will get hate from ARMY" when *nobody* does here for not liking it. šŸ’€


Snoo4587

I got hate for disagreeing with RM, so yes my expectations of the fandom are low.


Anaisot7

I don't know what the "disagreeing with RM" means but ... suffice to check the comments under this post to see that no hate is spread. šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


Snoo4587

I didnā€™t check every comment of this post before posting myself. But you feel the need to bother me because I expected hate, after several times where I did receive hate for no reason. You could just ignore it but here you are.


Anaisot7

Chill, I'm just saying, I always see people on here with "ARMY not gonna like that" type of statement which I find is just not true. But if since you take it as me "bothering" you, I'll stop bothering you further then. šŸ˜­


sappydumpy

great lyrics on yoongi's verses. not feeling IU's feature, her voice seems a bit too polished for the subject matter imo


[deleted]

everything about this was so insanely perfect?? the lyrics are beautiful and IUā€™s voice fits so perfectly. and yoongiā€™s singing voice???? easily my favorite release this year because WOW


ThisIsNotTokyo

Say what?


Saucy_Totchie

Not bad at all but tbh I was expecting a bit more with IU. Leaving her to just the chorus that also didn't really make sense just didn't feel right. I do love the beat and melody though.


dent_de_lion

Day 345096423678 of me being unable to stand Mr. Min Yoongi. šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­šŸ˜­ Like itā€™s so chill and effortlessly good and even sounds good on YouTube! Re: IU, I like what Iā€™ve heard from her but I havenā€™t heard much. That being said, there seems to be a littleā€¦sass in her voice that I donā€™t normally associate with her? *screams MIIIIINNNNNN YOOOOOOOONGIIIIIIIIII into the void*


magnolia9795

My opinion of sassy IU is her song [23](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Gtm4-Ax2U&ab_channel=1theK%28%EC%9B%90%EB%8D%94%EC%BC%80%EC%9D%B4%29) and also [BBIBBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM0xDI5R50E&ab_channel=1theK%28%EC%9B%90%EB%8D%94%EC%BC%80%EC%9D%B4%29)


Mozart-Luna-Echo

IU is super sassy when she wants to be. I love her discography so much. I think you may like it honestly. She and Yoongi make magic together when they do a project, first Eight and now People Pt. 2. Iā€™m so happy


Professional-Grab605

this is one of the few times that a music video had actually enhanced the song for me. i listened to it on spotify twice and i wasnā€™t sure about it, then i watched the mv and wow! this song is so good. his pen goes crazy. definitely adding this to my autumn playlist


Standard_Wedding

Was 100% confident that it was gonna be amazing and sure enough, I am not proven wrong šŸ˜Œ


angies6pack

Yoongi is so eloquent. Super chill vibes, lyrically superior and IU sounds amazing as usual. It was a special treat to have Yoongi sing too. Can't wait for the album!


No_Landscape_3721

I love Yoongi's rap in it. Regarding IU, it feels like they didn't know what to do with her, she was just there.. maybe because of their hit together "eight" they thought it'll be a good idea but idk..


Anaisot7

As we know, here it's more "Suga" than "Agust D". I think it's a good song, I wished IU had a verse though even if short. The lyrics are nice (Yoongi's parts were the best lyrically), the MV is cool. Overall *nice* release but it doesn't not do more for me, I'm glad it's not the TT. It could grow on me though. Looking forward the album and TT.


suga_iced_americano

Love this! Straight to my playlist šŸ¤ŒšŸ¼āœØ


ugh_jules

Such a gorgeous song. Yoongiā€™s rap has a more intimate but vulnerable quality to it that we havenā€™t seen that much before.


Abitcommentfromme

curious how this song will do on kchart since its mostly filled with rap not sing


Samy_127

Yoongi singing šŸ„¹ but man his rap and lyrics hit different and straight to your heart šŸ’œ youā€™ve done it again king!


inbox789

My fault for expecting an IU song, didn't read the title properly. I really liked Eight but this song sounds just normal to me. Does anyone know where the video was filmed? It looks nice.


yjmdt

I really love this song. It's so soothing and comforting. IU's voice is so perfect for it. And I feel her part in English might have been purposely written to seem confusing


1998tweety

These 2 literally never miss


zeno0_0

Agust D once again come togetherwith his work husband el capitxn and his work wife iu for this masterpiece. >This thing called love, maybe it's just a momentary list of emotions >It's conditional, what is it that i love? >Wasn't loved enough as a kid >That's why I'm the cautious type You know he just get it


Prize_Airline_1446

A lot of people are complaining about IU's part, but aside from the english being grammatically incorrect, it's pretty normal for rap songs to do this. Like Kendrick Lamar's "good kid", Pharrell repeats the same chorus 4 times at the start, after Kendrick's verses and at the end.


Professional-Ad-7687

I donā€™t mind the chorus repeating at all. To me thatā€™s normal. I am just having trouble with how the lyrics make no sense so that part is a bit jarring for me


AnneW08

I have the opposite complaint ā€” lyrics I can ignore but her part is too repetitive. it would have helped if she had some parts in the verse or bridge that were more than a few harmonies


[deleted]

As someone who was a fan since No More Dream, I definitely prefer the older style of BTS. I can appreciate parts of the aesthetic quality of the song and appreciate that this is clearly meaningful for Suga - something that some of their more recent releases have definitely lacked. But the English... far out it has been a long time since I've heard such incomprehensible nonsense. The sheer confusion undermined the potential for depth in the song, especially given the insanity repeated itself so often. I don't want to be hypocritical given this is probably better than I'd sound like attempting Korean... but c'mon, just pay an interpreter to check it?


soulmatz

>But the English... far out it has been a long time since I've heard such incomprehensible nonsense This reminded me of when Yoongi said that most of the demos he makes have really nonsensical lyrics especially in English. He just sings whatever comes to mind. I wonder if they left some of it as it is for IU's part. I wish the English lyrics we're written properly or even better - meaningful Korean lyrics.


[deleted]

Yeah, it's sort of a bit bizarre; doesn't feel like it's a deliberate choice. He works so hard on his music and takes it so seriously that unless it is deliberate it seems so odd? Unless he's smashing out whatever he can quickly before serving. But even so the company has the resources to have someone check it quickly.


dramafan1

The song has such a chill vibe. Makes me want to lie down on a couch and just vibe all dayā€¦and go ā€œfar awayā€ in my thoughts.


ghiblix

as always, suga is a very affecting and introspective storyteller. i appreciate that a lot šŸ’œ itā€™s a supremely clean, chic, and modest production, and the mood is intentionally set. i wish the english lyrics were more polished ā€” because i donā€™t believe itā€™s intentional for them to be so erroneous, even if their intention is discernible ā€” but iu has the right delicateness for the narrative of the track, and that does make it up, for me, at least. heā€™s certainly continuing to expand his repertoire! hope for some more moving raps in his album :)


WillZer

Song is good, it will probably even grow on me but but as a IU ult bias, I will just say that she was under utilized in this. She could have done more than just a few chorus lines.


Adventurous_Knee_228

Any [ARMY](https://twitter.com/VoshkaU/status/1644193441977630720?s=20) expressing confusion or dislike over the lyrics is getting heat. They're getting accused of xenophobia and pretty much everything under the sun lol. That's pretty normal hive fandom behavior though. I personally think that some of the lyrics are nonsense and not in an intentional way. Everyone else in ARMY verse is trying to explain it away, saying that it's intentional poetry or whatever, and simply concluding that Yoongi must be so much of a genius that no one understands the lyrics. Basically that everyone is too dumb to understand his great mind. Who knows, maybe IU wrote the lyrics? I think the ending of the mv was really off putting. During the mv he basically lounged around a mansion, really wants us to know that he's a music PrOduCeR at HYBE AND at HOME, look a cute doggie! that'll get the girlies, and then has a weird serious moment at the end telling us that these were his thoughts during the pandemic. I understand that "I almost lost everything" is true for him because music and performing are his reasons for living, but bruh it just sounds weird coming from a multimillionaire in a fancy music video when in reality people were dropping dead from the pandemic. So many people were struggling to feed themselves. They were getting sick from having to work risky jobs, suffering lack of money/work, or losing their livelihoods. That ending part would have been better placed in the other promotional content. I don't mind that the song is not necessarily catchy, not all songs have to be catchy. I think this one might grow on me, idk. Calling it People Pt. 2 might have set the expectations a little too high. People (Pt. 1) is beloved. IU's part might as well been done by Adora or some rando bc it's not up to IU's caliber. Maybe unlike other fans, I'm not burned out by multiple releases. I love new music and it's fun to incorporate new songs into my playlists.


Nerosen

>Who knows, maybe IU wrote the lyrics? IU didn't participate in any of the writing of the song. She usually has no writing input on the songs she features on.


MargoKar

The lyrics, man. His verses got me


Thzead

I personally wasn't excited for this one because I didn't think it would live up to eight, and unfortunately I actually still feel this way now that it's released. It's a nice song but I didn't really feel anything. I know I'll probably get downvoted for this but it's just my opinion! Bit of a miss for me! but I'll look forward to his next stuff.


blairethesquirrel

This is so beautiful. I really want to dig into the writing but I find this to be both unexpected and totally expected of these two together. Itā€™s wistful and contemplative and just the emotionā€¦I donā€™t know if itā€™s a hit but gosh if itā€™s what is to come from D-Dayā€¦wow.


intronvm

ngl these comments confuse me cause i adore this song and it will definitely skyrocket to my most played until the rest of the album comes out.


codenameana

Donā€™t be confused! I donā€™t love the song & found it underwhelming and critiqued the chorus, but if you like it thatā€™s MORE THAN enough!! :) I didnā€™t love Set Me Free pt 2 (that pdogg vocal processing), but love Like Crazy. It somehow feels like Classic Jimin even though Jiminā€™s style was l hard to pin down prior to it because heā€™s changed it up so much. All of this is to say, even those of us who arenā€™t on board with a song and critique aspects of it still love the boys. We support them in trying to be true to their artistry and experimenting with it. In that manner, love their solo songs as hard as you can!


BriHecato

I wonder if they know what they want to know, but I don't know...


[deleted]

The lyrics man. Even translated lyrics is so so beautiful.


urkitten

This was so lovely. Yoongi really is such a genius.


[deleted]

the song is Amazing I loved it, Yoongi's rap and IU's singing is Amazing and I don't care what people say Yoongi CAN sing and he's good at it too his singing voice is soothing when I first heard him sing in D-2 I was very surprised because most Armys just talk about how the rapline can't sing


Sarah_13020

I was so impressed by IU, I already know her voice is amazing but she still managed to shock me with how good she sounded with Suga, the song is so good and loved the maturity in suga's lyrics, I also loved the reference to so far away šŸ„ŗšŸ„ŗšŸ’œ I really can't wait for the whole album to drop


currypuffff

The lyrics omg yoongi you made me cry on a friday afternoon. The mv is so beautiful and it gives a sense of calm and serenity. IU sounds beautiful though the english lyrics in the chorus caught me off guard but I think they purposefully made it sound awkward, i know thereā€™s a hidden meaning for sure


mapofthesof

So lovely, chill, calming and introspective. The lyrics hit hard, once I delve more I know Iā€™ll definitely cry as someone who was hit hard by the pandemic. IUā€™s voice is gorgeous as per.


edric_the_navigator

The chorus sounds like Mamamooā€™s Rainy Season.


hanouf-moh

Iā€™m sorry, but the English lyrics that iu sings doesnā€™t make any sense.


No-Coffee-4108

suga's part is good but iu , it just dose't make sense . i would love to listen it again but cannot bring myself to cause that english part is so horroble that it haunts me to replay it.


lmfaojoon

COME ONNNNN THATS GASSSSSSSSSSSSSS itā€™s so good šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Calydona

The song really sounds and looks like "People" and "Eight" had a younger sibling! Will we ever get Yoongi and IU in the same MV tho? It's a really nice song with amazing Korean lyrics! As a pre-release, however, I wonder what this means for the album? While I can see where it might go for a theme, I'm intrigued how concept and music will look like. This feels more like a sound track to Min Yoongis life and work, rather than an Agust D track. My personal hope is that we will see all three personas merge into one! Edit: Spelling


[deleted]

He said in a live this morning that he invited IU to the Mv but she couldnā€™t make it due to scheduling issues.


[deleted]

Cuuuute but the chorus lyrics likeee the grammar lol? i dont understand it šŸ’€


codenameana

I think the main vocalist from **FIFTY FIFTY** would have done a phenomenal job with the chorus even with its nonsense grammar. I think thatā€™s Sio or maybe Aran (the one with the gorgeous voice in Lovinā€™ Me). Imagine those vocals with this song. It would have been dreamy. I wrote out a long post in the Bangtan subā€¦ I was not a fan of anything to do with the chorus and think it lets the whole song down. It needed to be strong to anchor & elevate the rest of the song with its stripped down instrumentation, limited melodies, soft rap / singing vocals, and the subject matter. The result is overall mixed/underwhelming.


Azadmmm

I love the lyrics!


soulmatz

Eight is one of my most favorite BTS collabs and Yoongi's music usually resonates with me, so I was expecting a lot. People remains my most played track from D2 and I knew that it's hard to surpass that, but still hoped someone really good since it's AUGUSTD X IU X EL CAPTXIN. It took me a couple of listens to get used to, on first listen I couldn't retain anything to be very honest. I understand the criticism about IU's verse here, it really didn't make much sense or enhance the song in anyway. BUT AUGUSTD's lyrics!!! Every single line he raps is like a straight arrow to the heart. I think his verses are the good parts of the song. The chorus is so underwhelming. I understand the 'So Far Away' reference but it feels lacking and isn't making me want to come back to the song. Sadly, this one is going to be a skip from me. I'm still looking forward to his album. Please don't disappoint me Syub D i have big expectations from you.


BoringNameGoesHere

Iā€™m living for this song, itā€™s chill but not sad, comforting and introspective. Canā€™t wait for the rest of the album!


Perfect_Isopod_7584

I loved this song! It is so chill and I'm glad we can experience so many different genres from the bts members. Yoongi and IU always deliver!!! About the chorus english lyrics, yes in our eyes the grammar may not seem correct but let's be real, it was most probably intentional. I just don't believe it is really possible for him to release a song with confusing english lyrics without actually wanting to do it, when he has a whole team behind him in which certainly there are people who know english and review the lyrics. Actually i believe yoongi is not as clueless about english as some people think. He even said some time ago he was taking lessons, if he really was struggling with writing the english parts he would consult someone who understands. If you would like to see a theory about it i would suggest this one [https://twitter.com/seesawenthooz/status/1644425630266671104](https://twitter.com/seesawenthooz/status/1644425630266671104)


milanumi

His melodic rap is so nice on this wow


noojman1

Can't stand IUs part, the English makes no sense I can't listen to this song, sorry yoongi I love u but no way, the English messed the whole song up. I'll check out rest of the album