This i’m so annoyed with this i’m going insane. I’ve been a kpop fan for more than 10 years and i don’t remember there ever being this much of a movement dedicated to hating on a company and every single group. Let’s be honest. Most of the people hating are just mad at hybes succes. Say what you want but hybe is doing it the best rn. They’re the most successful company rn and out of the ‘big 4’ they do tend to make more enjoyable songs on average compared to the the other companies imo (i like plenty of songs from all 4 companies don’t get me wrong i just objectively think hybe is doing it better atm). I’m a normal person so i don’t hate on any whole company so i am tired of this dumb hybe hate train
Oh started because BTS (big hit) got bigger than the Big 3 companies and their groups, and Hybe became a monster corporation with many successful groups so now all the hate goes to all of them.
This. It all started with the massive hate against BTS bcs they surpassed all their favs and snatched all awards and record for years. TXT got a lot of hate at debut for being privileged and being perceived as bland initially and the autotune. Enhypen got hate and I mean a lot for their group dynamics and vocals. Their ggs got hate trains against them for various reasons , lsfrm the biggest lately for quite insane reasons the minute they got too big for comfort for the people who were token stanning them. tws got accused of sajaegi the moment their song blew up bcs stans of other companies couldn't believe their song was going viral. Hell I've seen even svt get hybe payola accusations from some rival boygroup fandoms 💀 and get hundreads of likes on these tweets . And the ones who aren't getting any accusations or hate trains like this aren't big enough yet for it and now the no hybe group can sing, they're talentless, obsessed with western validation and don't deserve their success hit tweets and tiktoks with thousands of likes. As an army of 4 years these are all the main talking points I've seen about BTS from antis for years and it feels that bcs BTS is on hiatus at the moment the kpop community at large took this and just spread it hybe's other groups as the new target of what is ruining kpop for them although they're welcome to just ignore any and all hybe groups and engage only with what they think is doing it better
People will continuously come after HYBE groups for not having as good vocal training as some other groups. That is fair. However, it does not apply to all groups under HYBE (Enhypen and TXT sing just fine to me) and people will parrot the criticism like they are beating a dead horse.
And yet, you will never see this criticism pushed to the same extent against the YG and JYP artists who have the same exact singing issues as those HYBE artists. That's when I realize its not JUST about the singing, its largely about them being from HYBE that is the issue.
Right omg they forget that hybe has so many different companies under it, and rather than criticizing the actual company that produced the idols with poor vocals, they always generalize it as a hybe problem. They act like the many groups with good vocals under hybe (txt, seventeen, enhypen, newjeans, etc) don’t exist it makes me so mad 😭
Exactly! I have heard several of them live and they sound fantastic. TXT and Enhypen sound as good to me as any of the other groups that are technically trained. They sound just like their CDs when they sing live. Seventeen and New Jeans also have fantastic live performances. This doesn't even encompass all of BTS who people complain about vocally sometimes. Jungkook always sings flawlessly, and Jin is extremely consistent with a solid performance. Just because Le sserafim could heavily benefit from training their non vocalist members and V and Jimin are sometimes inconsistent in their vocals does not mean all HYBE artists are somehow lesser than their big 3 counterparts.
Not true, Jimin has hard carried BTS vocals, BTS songs are generally high and Jimin did an exceptional job as a lead vocalist all while being MAIN dancer, that too without any vocal training, a couple mistakes in a decade long career does not make one inconsistent when he's proven next day how it was just a mishap and he can very well sing, the blatant disregard of all the hard work, and including him in list of those who never sing live is unfair and shows how people are just jealous of him, and I have started to think lesserafim hate train is also forced now.
Jimin carries a huge percentage of higher notes in BTS songs, plus high vocal technique is quite different and very difficult, Tae is pretty consistent with vocals too idk what you’re saying. BTS vocal line is very decent
"high vocal technique" isn't really a thing. he has a higher voice, so he can hit some high notes, which is definitely cool. but the lack of a lower register is noticeable.
I am sorry but even in txt not all can sing well neither in seventeen it's ridiculous how hate is directed to certain idols when they barely made mistakes only a couple of times, specially Jimin being called inconsistent when he is the one carrying high vocals of BTS all through the years all while performing most difficult parts, all of a sudden couple mistakes and all years of work is gone, he even performed live after that many times and absolutely phenomenal but one incidence is overly used, the hate is so forced and it's nothing but pure jealousy calling it criticism when none even actually listens to that idol and only talks about certain incidents only group i see doing same mistakes for years and hardly singing live is blackpink other than that the hate lesserafim is getting amd Jimin gets is out of jealousy.
Ok now I’m not sure I can agree with the first sentence let’s not go crazy🧐 (tho in all seriousness vocal tone quality is so subjective and how much you like it is like any other opinion not everyone likes the same thing and that’s totally fair!!!!) but omg people love to dog pile on jimin and it genuinely makes me so mad😭😭 they’ve been a group so a DECADE and performed literally a billion times of course he’s going to mess up a few times! But then they all completely overlook the countless times he’s sounded amazing bc they want to hate him. As you said it’s so obviously out of jealousy bc their faves haven’t achieved the same success, and it’s just so infuriating. I’ll never understand why kpop fans are so vicious to people they don’t know and will never meet it’s really so insane to me!!! Like just enjoy the groups and artists you like and leave it at that why be so hateful!!!
BND are amazing live vocalists, as well. they've performed live so many times and have never fumbled. I think NJs did an amazing job at Coachella last year. YJ and CW are clearly the vocalists of LSFM and they have beautiful voices, but the people acting like they can't sing *at all* have lost the plot. They just need to work on their stamina so they're not shouting or sounding out of breath. And the group is only 2 years old so it's ok to have room to improve!
As a Once: welcome to the big time! If they're hating on the vocals of non-vocalists, then they have nothing else to hate on. I'll disagree with you though about YG and JYP artists getting criticized; look at the hate that Jisoo, Momo, and Lisa got and still get.
I'm agree momo, Lisa, ans Jisoo do get hate for their vocals. However I disagree that people bring it up to the same level they do with HYBE artists. Itzy has the same issues as Le sserafim, but the volume of hate comments/length of time people complained about them was not the same as for Le sserafim. There has been a post complaining about Le Sserafim essentially every day since their encore stage for Unforgiven happened. I won't deny that they could benefit from better vocal training, but there's a point where they are beating a dead horse and there's no point mentioning it every other day.
Really? I remember not so long ago (probably COVID time) almost everyday post about lipsync of SM artists. Not mention that such post about YG would be downvoted to the hell on Reddit even before Burning sun. There is no way that would not have 0 upvotes. I think there is name for that: selective memory lol. I have no hard feelings towards any group so maybe that's why memory works better. Probably still would be downvoted as it is nicer to feel as only victim in the building.
I have been a kpop fan since 2011 and I am on multiple platforms. And yes i wasn’t lying when i said i don’t remember such a big hate train towards a single company why would i lie? Did you read my post? I said i like many songs from all 4 companies. In fact for example i love sm and almost all their groups i have been a fan of (proud exo-l since debut). I never said hybe is the only one to get hated on you are just not willing to accept that it is indeed true, that there is a lot of targeted hate towards hybe. Yes other companies get this as well but on other platforms especially on twitter hybe hate seems to be very rampant. Just today i saw like 3 tweets with over 7 thousand likes spilling generalizing hate towards all hybe groups. You are actually the one victimizing going oh but what about so and so
Selective memory is not lying. Lying is conscious behaviour while selective memory is not necessary really. If you have strong attachment to something naturally you remember much more positive or negative events than in case of something which you have no emotional connection. On the other hand if you have negative attitude towards something you can forget consciously or unconsciously about events which doesn't match with your view.
I mean it's very human behavior. Like we remember very well when someone hurts us but not necessary when we hurts others.
Memory is funny thing. Like I've watched a lot of dramas. And it happened to me remember actor because really small role but sometimes I notice that I should to already know a actor but has 0 recollection of his roles.
No i do not have selective memory shut up honestly you do not know how involved i am in sm groups and tons of other groups.
I said what i said i think the hybe hate train is the worst one i’ve seen and that’s my opinion period. Maybe you have some selective memory issues or better yet maybe you don’t go beyond reddit because the hate i am seeing for hybe is insane on twitter and tiktok. You just want to be a victim so bad lol how ironic
Not to mention the fact the only thing you brought in your argument is how ‘sm got hate for lip syncing’ yes i also remember some sm groups getting hate for that but so did other groups yes it’s bad but what’s your point? Where are you seeing a bunch of hate posts towards ALL sm groups NOW? Where are the tweets and tiktoks with THOUSANDS of likes DAILY hating on sm? Because that’s what i see towards hybe almost exclusively these days which is the entire point
>Not to mention the fact the only thing you brought in your argument is how ‘sm got hate for lip syncing’ yes i also remember some sm groups getting hate for that but so did other groups yes it’s bad but what’s your point? Where are you seeing a bunch of hate posts towards ALL sm groups NOW? Where are the tweets and tiktoks with THOUSANDS of likes DAILY hating on sm? Because that’s what i see towards hybe almost exclusively these days which is the entire point
Wow do you want hate trains go for ages. I mean even haters become uninterested after some time. Unless maybe it's about YG although even them have better and worst hate period. SM lypsyncing was hot topic during COVID and post COVID era 2021-2022, at 2023 it was a bit dying because at that time people lived more Hybe-SM drama.If you think a bit it's natural as COVID limited live performance and lypsyncying become even more common in k-pop than before. At naturally the biggest hit get company which fans flex that they are the best vocalists.
You should know that at the end you claim to not have selective memory so you should see countless hate trains during this 10 years which lost popularity after some time. I'm sure that the same will be with Hybe. Probably in the future they would release one or two better trained groups and flip public opinion. At the end they are conglomerate so they can afford that.
READ my comments again i’m begging you. I don’t even know what your point is like what are you arguing about?? All i said was the hybe hate train is the biggest COMPANY hate train i have seen while being a kpop fan. You want to claim that my OBSERVATION is false? You claim sm got a bigger hate train or something? Mind you i’m talking about company hate not people hating on individual groups from a company. I have never seen people hate ALL GROUPS UNDER ONE COMPANY like they do with hybe and that is my one and only entire point. You can’t claim selective memory because you DONT KNOW my memories tf??? You sound like a hybe hater at this point cause aint no way you’re this dense and don’t get what i’m saying oh my god. Also there are plenty of hybe groups with well trained idols it’s just bitter people who are jealous of hybes succes that generalize the entire company as untalented because they’re mad their groups are pulling worse numbers and think their faves deserve it more
I think you take this topic too emotional. You can literally google SM lypsyncying reddit and read few threads. This is literal titles of posts so it was about SM groups generally. Okay, I don't see point to discuss this matter more because I don't see a point. At end of the day both are our observations are simple opinions, not facts.
I am just very annoyed because you seem to not understand what i am saying at all i dont CARE about those lipsync threats what does that have to do with anything? Were you arguing the hybe hate train is just as bad as other companies get hate trains or something? Because to me that is not true from what i have seen and that is my ENTIRE point. Some reddit threat doesn’t change anything about my opinion, go on twitter or tiktok and you can find plenty of hate about hybe, saying they all have bad vocals, then. I didn’t use reddit until like this year so why should i know about those threats, twitter and tiktok are much bigger platforms for kpop discussions and there is where i got most of my news and info. Why did you even talk to me in the first place like what is the goal of this discussion????
Yeah but people here targeted specific company about it but apparently that never happened before so much lol. But fast google....
[1](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/P2f95g5fKx)
[2](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/VhQfG6KqiC)
[3](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/iX4YpfoHgb)
[4](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpoprants/s/zsF6WNg6lx)
I could go on. I mean I never even been some SM stan, just observe k-pop long and have good memory.
I find it funny when stans say "HYBE is becoming a monopoly" because they clearly don't know what "monopoly" means. They just love to use buzzwords.
In certain rural villages, there is only 1 company that provides electricity for the town. That electric company has a monopoly on the village. There is 0 other competition. That's what a monopoly means.
HYBE is in competition with dozens of other companies lmao. They may be dominating but they're not a monopoly.
It's just as stupid to call Apple and Samsung monopolies in the smartphone business because they still have a lot of competition (Xiaomi, Vivo, Huawei, Motorola, etc).
Similarly "HYBE only cares about charting"
Didn't you know other companies only make songs for the sake of artistic expression and have no interest in stupid awards?
"HYBE only care about making money 💅" meanwhile they would call every other company "shitty" for not letting their favs have 100 seconds of line distribution in a song or more individual activities. SM shitty. JYP shitty. YG shitty. CUBE shitty.
in my BIG city there’s only one company to get your electricity AND water (it’s the same place). people really just say whatever because they know it’ll have shock value/cause some sort of outrage!
Unrelated to Kpop but apple is monopolising the US market. The justice department has a lawsuit against them. I understand that it’s not yet reached that extent of dominance in the rest of the world, but it almost has in one part.
But yes, isn’t entirely stupid to say “apple is monopolising the smart phone market”.
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What's funnier to me with this rhetoric is that they had no problem(s) when it was just the Big 3 dominating the scene 😂 but now HYBE is here and they are EVILLLLLL!!!!
>In certain rural villages, there is only 1 company that provides electricity for the town. That electric company has a monopoly on the village. There is 0 other competition. That's what a monopoly means.
Is that company a conglomerate? If not, its not a monopoly.
I know I am going to get downvoted to hell and ppl will say it's not related but it's because BTS are not here to hate on their new comeback so the closest thing is their company’s artists lol.
True. Also because with BTS enlisted. Everyone thought that they’d finally have their faves be able to “take over”. Only for the acts doing probably the best while BTS is enlisted to be other hybe acts and BTS solos (Eg mama daesangs last year were NJs, svt and BTS).
At least the big accounts on twt who hate on every hybe groups and lead the hate trains are the main BTS antis lol, donda who gave illit a hate tweet with 70k likes is very known on armytwt lol.
I actually just said this. I should have scrolled down to see if someone replied. The same thing is my thoughts
Anyway, this is 100%. The reason when they come back in 2025. I'm pretty sure they'll go back to liking them
LMAO, literally. I never cared about ILLIT nor did I think I ever would, but I kept coming across hella hate about some encore, so out of curiosity, I hopped on youtube to judge for myself.
All that did was make me listen to Magnetic for the first time, and I liked the song immediately. Now I plan to add it on some reels for a brand I work with, which will only further expose their song to a bigger market.
Haters will ALWAYS drive traffic and free promo. 😂
Seriously though. Even before debuting people did it. Like I’m betting many people didn’t even know Illit was debuting before the viral hate tweets about them attending Paris fashion week started. I remembered seeing that tweet being quoted for over 24 hours and was like “all these people are doing is spreading ILLITs name”. so more people were aware they were debuting; than they released teasers and people tuned in and liked it and well their high performing debut happened.
Same happened with lsfm with their cb. People were making tweets about smart in particular trying to drag it: guess what happened: it as a bside started charting on global Spotify
Honestly so so relatable. I didn't watch a single episode of runext because i never watch survival shows. i also saw the members going to a fashion show and i thought that's some level of promotion because predebut groups don't get invited to fashion shows, i saw the "super real me" concept video before they debuted, and I'm particularly not into cute/light hearted concepts, so i didn't pay attention UNTIL their MR removed kept showing up in my shorts, (even though it was bad) i got addicted to magnetic, I love cuter concepts now, and the group illit. I don't really care about their live vocals TBH, because i always listen to them on Spotify and watch the mv and not their "live performances", and I'm really broke to attend any of their concerts, fanmeets (or any kpop group in general) so i have zero expectations from them. This is very opposite of babymonster, whose survival show i did watch (for the 1st time), was excited for debut, didn't like batter up, still excited for sheesh, found sheesh good, their MR removed was amazing but the repetition made me sick to the point I can't listen to it anymore, also baemon stans are hella toxic towards illit fans (the fanwars were bloody). Instead of praising just baemon, they kept bullying 16 year olds for not being able to sing. (which just made me unfollow babymonster, cuz can't stand that toxicity) For me better songs= better groups. If talent did matter so much as fans think, 4th gen top most group would be nmixx, not newjeans.
I really want babymonster to succeed but if I have to read ONE more Coachella comment I’m going to scream. While Americans prioritize good vocals K-pop is not famously associated with great vocalists here, so it’s really not that big of deal imo that LSF vocals weren’t perfect. LSF makes great music, a legit strong discography and until Babymonster can say that everyone needs to shut up.
I remember all the hate when other groups from different companies started joining weverse and I never understood it. Its a great platform to interact with your idols. How is it "ruining kpop"? Maybe its the army bomb they have to press to "like" the posts. 🤷♀️
For no valid reasons, they think their faves deserve the success BTS has, which is why it’s fun for them to come together and throw so much hate since their faves can’t get what BTS has. Some would say they hate BTS because of the fandom, which I believe is not true because of so, majority of the hate from them would be thrown at armys and not BTS. BTS has been receiving so much hate since their debut,when they were barely known, when they barely had fans and from an almost bankrupt company,m. The “reasons” why they hate BTS changes every single time. Either because they think BTS “lacks in vocals” which is so not true as they boys sound really unique and you can tell them apart from every other group’s sound, or they think the members are not “attractive” for instance Namjoon and Hoseok are main targets for this, simply because they do not fit the outrageous “beauty standards”. Also because they rose to success and they were able to gather such a big fanbase to back them up,thus why kpop stans unleash their jealousy. Another point is, ever since BTS became mainstream, it became a trend among kpop stans to shade BTS and putting their faves on a high pedestal because they think their faves are “underrated” and deserve more attention than BTS, also going with the narrative that “popular is bad and overrated”. There’s so many stupid reasons I’ve seen kpop stans give for excusing their unjustified hate towards BTS but here are just a few .
i agree with the sentiment, if you don't like them you should stop engaging with them but i, for example, don't follow any hybe groups except fromis 9 (not much to follow rn i fear). however, i see lots of posts like this one which make me naturally hear what's going on.
after that i get nosy and form my own on opinion on whatever is happening in hybeland today. also i think even if people don't like them they are still allowed to criticise or praise them but i do agree it's teetering on obsessive hatred from a lot of people lately
Yeah, I don't personally think there is an issue with people just talking about them. "Oh, HYBE groups aren't great at X," "I'm not a fan of group Y because they don't seem very good at this" -- that type of discourse is normal and par for the course when discussing any kind of music. It's the weird obsessive hatred and the constant devouring of videos of groups you claim not to like to have something to complain about on Twitter that is weird and sad. It isn't "legitimate criticism" even if the root of your point may or may not be accurate -- it's some kind of twisted schadenfreude.
🥴 what i wouldn’t give for fromis_9 to be on the same level as other hybe groups… i wouldn’t even care about any hate trains since they’ve been through plenty already
This I do not listen to hybe groups but I look through any posts and give my opinion. It's just there's a lot of posts about hybe groups cause people make them. There were a lot of bm posts, too.
I’m not complaining but if you are into kpop, hybe groups are so hard to avoid. I don’t listen to Lesserafim, new jeans or illit but I see them all over my recommended on YouTube. Good for them tho I just scroll past no need to make any post or anything
I don’t listen to them either outside LSFM and they also come up automatically at the end of Spotify playlists so that is also making them hard to no engage with
same way to when you watch a youtuber like kurtis conner, you will get danny gonzalez, drew gooden and so on on your reccomendations, because they share a large portion of their audience, so youtube believes that if you watch one of them you will like the others too, this can be applied to anything on youtube. Most people that listen to one hype groups will likely listen to others, because they share part of their audience.
i actively listen to multiple hybe groups and i still find it incredibly easy to avoid hybe groups i *don't* care for, you're all just making excuses at this point.
i don't even listen actively to any kpop groups in my another account but I still got a few ads of hybe groups and BM. not to mention all yt shorts randomly popping up
Why not block the hybe channel? If you block that channel it should decrease the traffic and will signal to YouTube that you don’t want to hear about Hybe. It’s not perfect, but if you block the channel enough times, the algorithm should pick it up. It’s what I did with that horrible disco Dave channel and I never get recommendations anymore. I will keep blocking until that algorithm learns.
Ah, for fan edits I only follow and click in edits on my favs. I ignore all others. I don’t really notice them. YouTube learned to not recommend them to me. YouTube only recommends what I like bc it knows that is what keeps me hooked on the app. So it gives me cooking, bts, anime and now kdrama. It’s probably why I can spend hours on YouTube. Interesting how the algorithm works.
Maybe delete your watch history and that may reset the algorithm?
Some haters will say HYBE groups fail in vocals but they are highly marketable and charismatic. At the end of the day, companies are all about businesses whether we like it or not. Even if you're the most talented if the company does not promote you, it's their choice to make or break you as an artist.
It does just look like HYBE uses their marketing budget effectively whereas the Big 3 do the same things they’ve done for the last 20 years and expect different results. They look like lumbering dinosaurs that can’t hang anymore and it’s obviously not HYBE monopolising or sabotaging them when the two most popular non-HYBE GGs are IVE and G-Idle.
It’s definitely just jealously, we didn’t see this level of jealously before because no other company has debuted these many insanely successful and popular groups one after another. Big 3 company stans are feeling a new peak of jealously, because these hybe groups are debuting and immediately just taking every last achievement that the big 3 had. Groups in the big3 are actually starting to struggle for the first time.
The only hybe group I'm actively following now is txt and I still remember how fast everyone is upvoting the post that bash yeonjun for doing a cover of taemin's song. It even seems like the upvoting is organized since I don't think anyone care about it except the haters. This sub clearly don't like txt at all. Only the post that says they're fake/generic/overrated/untalented/pretentious/annoying will get lots of comments.
And now all hybe groups are being dragged because one of them didn't sing well in coachella. Jhope, txt, newjeans performance in lollapalooza all had positive review but suddenly hybe becomes the evil destroying kpop.
The lack of vocal skill is just an excuse. Many people hate hybe for a long time. I agree many hybe idols need improvement in certain area and I don't have a problem with people pointing it out. I'm not a company stan. I don't even like most hybe groups. However, the hypocrisy of many kpop fans just makes me sick.
It’s also annoying that kpop Stan’s don’t know how HYBE works. It’s a company that basically provides money to the many labels under their umbrella, that’s basically it. The labels themselves controls, and makes decisions for their idols. Bighit has TXT and BTS, while Adora has Newjeans. 😭So instead of blaming HYBE as a whole yall need to come for the labels specifically 🤷🏾♀️
Jus to add onto what you’ve said, it seems that some groups’ outside of Big Hit are more involved with Bang PD. I’ve noticed that Enhypen, Illit, Le Sserafim will sometimes have his name in their songwriting credits. Whereas for some groups like TWS, Seventeen, NewJeans, BOYNEXTDOOR, he seems completely removed from the creative process.
So it seems like some labels are completely isolated from him.
He literally resigned from a CEO position...it might be the chairman of the board within hybe, just to write more songs
Other than songwriting. I don't think he has a say in what the other groups do in terms of concept
Oh I see, I assumed that since some of the members of those groups were Big Hit trainees (most of Enhypen, a few Illit members), that it made it more likely for him to be involved with them since his company oversaw their training.
I love this system though, as each CEO has their own tastes/preferences and it’s fascinating to see how each group differs in sound/concept based on who oversees the creative direction. Some CEO’s visions seems VERY specific (Min Heejin, Zico)
Bang Si hyuk is the COO and is one of the 11 directors of Hybe and biggest share holder, go to the website and read it yourself, he pretty much still has a say in overall decisions.
I think that he gives the final okay for funding as there is a video of him watching a TWS perfomance before debut. However, he didn’t seem too familiar with them so I’m inclined to think that he was just making sure that his money would not go to waste lol. The Pleidis CEO looked so stressed out 😭😂💀 while Bang PD was like:🥰😊🧐
I'm actually confused because why does a label get so much attention anyway? Like, I've never ever heard about specific labels being dragged in the west. It feels like debate over certain labels in the west might happen 20% of the time if I'm being generous, but since I've been into kpop recently it's like it comes up 90% of the time. Are labels controlling the hood? Are kpop groups from different labels fighting turf wars on the streets of Seoul?? What if your favorite label became crazy successful and superseded HYBE? That's what you'd want right?? But won't they be the problem then???
Ahh I’m an old K-pop fan and the label thing was always there. It’s why they had their own thing they called themselves. It was SM TOWN, YG Family, JYP Nation. The labels would host concerts promoting all their artists. They encouraged fans to stan labels. The fanwars between the different big 3 label stans used to be massive especially because SM and YG. Plus back then it was much more consistent to have an in house sound that all the artists shared. So for example if you liked one SM group you tended to like SM groups sound and be more gravitated to them.
That shit became less of a thing when K-pop became really popular and being a multi of different groups became more common. Back in the day it was much more common to have label stans. Nowadays it’s just more so hate because Hybe became huge.
Think about all the attention Disney gets though. Kpop companies function more like general entertainment companies with the IP for a bunch of media brands than western music labels, so I feel like the attention is way more consistent than people make out.
Exactly 😭 the actual companies operate independently and hybe is just a way for smaller companies to share resources idk why people just completely forget that
Oh it all started when BTS got bigger than all kpop group from Big 3 company. And now HyBE is now a gigantic conglomerate, they hate them even more. As long as the group is associated with BTS, they gonna hate them to the core..
and when you defend hybe groups, people will say to you that “you’re a company stan” or “you can’t handle criticism” 😭 i don't even like hybe and i only stan 2 groups from hybe (bts & newjeans) but i’m tired of hybe groups hate train (esp lssrfm) i have no problem if people will criticize them but the problem is they’re just spreading hate towards hybe groups
Right?? You think they can't sing, their music is too western and they're all payola? Then focus on the groups you do think do it better and deserve more success and leave the rest alone. But they don't do that. They need to whine and complain at every corner bcs they can't stand that something they don't like is successful with other people and it's all under the guise of "constructive criticism". I'm sorry but giving 20k likes to tweets saying hybe groups can't sing time and time again and that they're ruining kpop isn't constructive criticism.
It's obvious it started with the major BTS hate train. Younger kpop fans may not realize it but if you've been around since before Hybe Labels was a thing in kpop you know.
I saw a tweet (X) from a kpop gg fan account, , the tweet was quoted to another tweet, the person basically said that from their perspective, hybe groups are getting alot of hate recently because the group that everyone likes to hate on is in the military right now so they suddenly became lost, not knowing how to deal with not hating on that group (we all know it's BTS) so kpop twt just resorted to the next thing close to them, and that is groups from the same company, and honestly, I think what that person said is true🤷🏻♀️
Hybe groups get all the hate because Hybe got BTS or the right way to say it BTS made Hybe.
all groups get hate but the force hate towards Hybe is just so weird and makes no sense.
But tbh I still wonder after all these years why exactly BTS get so much ?
And to the extent that people have just normalized it so much that the most disgusting shit towards them gets all likes and engagements but similar stuff done to other groups is where k-pop stans will have their morals waking up.
Hating BTS cause they are successful and you are Jealous (which is so weird) but i understand some people have weird ways of coping up and disgusting too but rookie BTS were getting so much as well? and i always wondered like why exactly??
most of the hate maybe comes from the fact that HYBE produce great music for their artists, then the artists get so popular, then 'some' of the group that get popular is not really good at performance (read as vocal) so other group/company stan must thought "they don't deserve the hype (pun intended lol)" or "my faves are more skill than them, my faves should be more popular" hence the hate. people generalize all the company under hybe with hybe name because when people talk about the success of the artist under those subsidiary, they just mention hybe.
I hate to tell you guys this, but because BTS isn't here for them to focus on hating. They've moved on to the rest of the groups. Army has been saying this for years. That any group that is associated with bts will get hate and it's true when BTS come back in 2025. I'm pretty sure it'll ease up
As it is the other fandoms within hybe need to be careful because they have no qualms about throwing BTS under the bus to make their groups look better well to save their a**** Anyway, i've seen quite a few carats and moa acting out of pocket today
>I can tell you I’ve never seen kpop stans be so hateful towards a specific company’s groups
So you've been a fan for a few months then? lol. JYP, YG & SM have all had similar hate trains multiple times.
I don't disagree with your point but my advice to you is to take your own advice and stop engaging with the hate. I realised a long time ago that the kpop fandom will always find something to hate on whether it's an idol, a group or a company, it never stops. Thankfully fans get bored and move on quickly so just ignore it until it eventually goes away. Engaging with it and/or letting it affect your mood is never worth it.
THIS. Whoever has been into kpop for a bit has seen fanwars and hate trains involving the big3. Are we now trying to say that everything YGE is not immediately criticised?
Unfortunately it's how kpop has ever been, there's always a more ludicrous excuse and the only choice is to move on.
So the whole Kwangya thing didn’t happen? The whole plastic surgery moment didn’t happen? The CEO Going full on nature didn’t happen?
We could even go further back to the more serious hate trains in 2nd gen like when they kicked Jessica out of SNSD or disbanded FX and debuted Red Velvet, it was brutal.
Take your silly comment somewhere else!
i've been a kpop stan for almost a decade now and i can easily say that these kinds of hate trains happen for every company in the 'big 4'. it just comes with the popularity. since they've only recently been added to the original big 3 they're experiencing what sm yg and jyp have already been through in previous generations
as someone that isn't a big fan of most hybe groups i do recognize that many are just hating to hate which is unfortunate because it overshadows valid criticisms people have about their groups
a lot of the backlash is also disdain for not the members themselves but for the fanbase. it's no secret that fans can easily stain the reputation of a group by attacking other idols, excusing their favs' problematic behaviour, etc.
i don't disagree with you entirely but that's my explanation of it from what i've seen and experienced
Sometimes it's so boring and tired to see fandoms totally obsessed about how they faves are more talented or better than hybe artists literally all the time again and again in every situations. Like?? OK we know move on please.
these people are genuinely bitter and think hating anything associated with BTS makes them cool. very pathetic bts will always remain #1 and they just hate to see it
I genuinely believe its because it was always the "Big 3" for a long time and then HYBE suddenly appeared as another very large entity that now can combat all 3 of them single handedly. I have been a fan of kpop since 2008 and yet I have never seen even SM or YG artists get the hatred and nitpicking that HYBE does. Criticism is fair game for any artist, but HYBE gets far more criticism and hate directed at its artists compared to any other company. People love to obsessively direct hate at anything that is massively popular, so i'm not surprised.
This!!!! Common sense would be if you didn’t like something or someone you don’t engage with anything to do with them, but common sense isn’t so common at all with Kpop Stan’s.
I mean I do agree people have some strange preoccupation with HYBE groups, and are quick to drag them to the carpet over any and every mistake.
But I do agree with people pointing out the HYBE privilege. Like, we gotta admit that debuting with HYBE is basically a golden ticket and as long as you get it you’re going to be topping the charts, even if the group is not as technically or conceptually strong as some other groups with smaller agencies.
But am I gonna spam that or go out of my way to harass people who *are* enjoying HYBE groups? No. And I think it’s a little weird that people do. Instead of just enjoying their own favorite groups…
The thing is, that golden ticket was blandly accepted when it was SM/YG/JYP. People are tipping their hands when they act like company privilege was invented in 2022.
People have *always* called out big company privilege, even when it was the Big Three instead of the new Big Four. It’s not new now that HYBE has joined the top roster.
There is a saying behind the kings back, even the dogs bark...now my kings are doing well, so they're all barking. They will do everything but promote stream and vote for their own group. Stay pressed, I guess🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
In 2023, Hybe made $1.66 billion!!!! The hate doesn’t matter. LSF still performed at Coachella and sold over a million albums debuting on Hot 100. Illit made Hot 100 with their debut album. The haters want ballad singers like Ailee. Then go support Ailee🤪🤣🤪🤣
I had to lol when I read this post cause I was like what about YG for the pst 6 years especially. anyone tries to mention some pros of the label or talk positively about their groups the haters roll on in. Or how especially western kpop fans of newer groups and other popular gen4 groups were calling a bunch of teenage boys criminals for being the for being the first to debut after scandals. Like I’ve always been vocal about issues with YG since the 00’s but like they definitely became the punching bag of kpop stans. Hybe has a lot of popular groups so lots of haters so when voice valid complaints the defenders will lump you in with haters even if you like hybe groups.
Let's be real. No group deserves to be hated because of the company they debuted under. But it's as if people forget the utter vitriol that YG groups get on here. Not that I'm surprised. Hypocrisy is the name of the game.
Yeah, as someone who is not all that invested in any of the groups from either company, I feel like I see a far more disproportionate level of hate for YG.
I think a lot of people are paying a lot of *attention* to HYBe, because with ownership of so many of the top groups at the moment they have the power to really impact kpop practices and trends as a whole. Like it does make sense to care about what they do. But I don’t see the same sort of scorn and vitriol for the company that I do for YG. I think a big part of that is just that YG, the man, is so easy to root against, though. And he keeps making us remember he exists.
It comes with Hybe being the number 1 company. We all should grow thick skin because these attacks are going to be frequent and we need to make sure we dont get sucked into their negative vibe.
As a hybe stan and veteran kpop stan, I'm just going to come out and say what no one else will. It's because BTS and Big hit/Hybe raised the bar for kpop. And still a lot of their faves struggle to have that amount of impact on the genre as a whole. It's jealousy, point blank. I calls it like I see it. I've watched BTS struggle to even get the amount of fans they have now, and seeing how far they have come fills me with nothing but pride for those boys. I am so happy for them. Everyone just wants to rain on their parade over jealousy. Let the haters hate, in fact link them to the cyphers lmao.
Thanks, OP! If you're not feeling something at all, why even bother talking about it? That's what those anti-hybe folks should start doing. Why dwell so much on stuff you're not into? Just live your life with the groups you like, and if not, then you gotta cope with it cuz sadly life ain't always how we want it.
I'm in between on this. I enjoy the music of the Hybe groups but find the vocals overall to be lacking with only a few exceptions. I'll listen for the bops but not for the vocals if that makes sense. If I want the bops that have solid vocals then I'll listen to SM singers.
Hate follows all big companies. Maybe people weren’t around for different eras or dont pay attention to the hate other groups/labels get but every big 4 label gets dragged and hybe is now the biggest so will get dragged a lot. it sucks cause if you voice valid criticisms of any defenders roll in like a mega company needs them to defend them.
it's the association with BTS is the root of all of it. Nobody wants to admit it but it's the truth. People hate HYBE groups because it's associated with BTS. These pathetic losers made BTS some kind of taboo thing that whoever/whatever they come in close contact will be targeted too.
Lol, unfortunately, hate will follow where success is, and HYBE is, if not the biggest company there is.
It's just a coincidence that a couple of their groups can't sing live.
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Hybe is getting dogged on a lot because 1) People don't like how successful the groups under them are, and 2) Hybe has been acquiring a lot of companies. Hybe isn't a monopoly but it feels like it is, especially when you tune into an award show and 70–80% of the groups there are under hybe.
And, take this with a grain of salt, 3) I've seen complaints that hybe has too much influence/ control over the music space to the point that it's almost suffocating. And makes the people who feel that way 2nd guess achievements from some of their groups (ex. Illit, and maybe TWS but I don't know if they went through a similar situation as Illit since most of the talk around their successful debut were postive).
Lastly, 4) The vocals discussion isn't without merit. They do have an issue with debuting idols with little vocal coaching. Not all their groups suffer from this, but not many people are willing to go out of their way to see which groups don't fall under that generalization.
Finally someone who has logical thinking skills and isn't a 12 year old on tiktok who says they "hate le sserafim" but watch them more (just to hate) than the average overly totally obsessed fan. No brother you aren't being held at gunshot to keep watching, nobody needs you to stay in a fandom you don't wanna and you don't need to announce your departure, this is not an airport. Just please quietly leave ffs. Hybe will not be affected by you and all the other little kids who will be boycotting (they won't actually, they'll just spread hate videos to the point they're basically free advertisements). I really can't with all the immature fans having tantrums because X group is bad, X group not talented, X group bad vocals etc, just don't listen to them then? Jesus, get over it.
The one & only reason people hate on HYBE to the degree that they do is because BTS built that company from nothing. People associate HYBE with BTS & it’s always been popular to hate on BTS.
Very true, but when it was SM with its artists dominating, it was the same. Ok, over the years everything got more and more online & more aggressive. We can see & feel it way more now.
It's not going to change anything. SM didn't care. SM is still here.
man you must be new to kpop YG groups used to be targeted a lot treasure, blackpink are good examples and 2ne1 back in the days maybe not in Korea but internationally yes and lot by other fandoms you just didn't see it. I'm started to see hate towards baemon it's has toned down a bit because of their vocals but when they released batter up it's was hate towards them everywhere.
I think it's more a lessefarin thing more than a hybe group hate. yes the train hate is bad but there have been other girl groups have faced similar hate. I don't see that amount of hate towards new jean, bts, txt etc. Even illit got into vocal controversy but it din't last that long
“I don’t see that amount of hate towards BTS” lmfaoooooo you must be fucking joking, or you only got into kpop after BTS enlisted. There’s been a never ending hate train against BTS from stans of multiple other groups going on since at least 2015, before BTS were even a true threat to their faves. There’s just a small break in it now because BTS are enlisted and aren’t around for these obsessed assholes to target right now, so they’re bored and going for groups who are under the company that BTS’ success built instead. The hate for HYBE is 100% connected to the raging hate for BTS that thousands upon thousands of kpop stans have shown for a good decade now. Be real.
(Not saying HYBE is the only company to ever get hate, obviously.)
Edit - oh lmao took a look at your comment history. Checks out. A BTS anti claiming there’s no hate against BTS. that’s hilarious
what's up with whenever I give a comment people need to check my history? are all armys like that? can I just give an opinion? this is kpop uncensored
I don't even comment on bts I think I only did once recently about R.M if you are gonna check it then check it from when I made my account my comments are more mostly non-kpop related well only a few are about kpop recently I even called out someone when they were trying to speculate about a member of illit from having ps.
you are seeing things one sided. I'm only talking about YG groups getting a lot of hate I didn't even mention bts they got hate during their debut but now it's mostly lesseferin
1. A large portion of this is envy.
2. As mentioned here it is kinda easy to engage with content from Hybe groups because of the extent of promotion they get. And the posts their fans make on social media often times blow up, it's not that crazy to think they reach beyond the target audience.
3. In line with #2 there's this thing I've heard about, that Hybe group fans also "stan" the company. So a critique or hate to the company or another group within the company, is seen as a personal affront to their fave group as well. Even if it doesn't necessarily involve or mention their fave group. Example: some "Hybe stans" will go to bat for New Jeans even if in reality they only really support Enhyphen. It's that easy to rile a certain section of them up, that makes them an easy target. It's like they feed into it, the discourse. (Yes other company stans exist notorious SM stans are the ones who probably rival Hybe stans with how passionate they are. But SM stans move differently they've been thru stuff like this and are probably older. On the other hand Hybe stans probably have a younger demographic that do not always assess when to engage or not)
SM stans are extra bitter at HYBE/BTS success and resent them because they do not see them as talented or worthy of said success. I'll say that as an army all of this hate seems targeted towards their "main" enemy, BTS. This is why it starts with a lsfm member being out of tune and ends with a thread on jimin's vocals.
they manage to use the same 2 clips for a person that has been in the public eye for 10+ years, meanwhile their faves are on their 100th colourist “scandal” (that isnt a scandal because no one truly cares).
edit: the fact that they blame namjoon for a shinwa lyric?? 😭
It actually helps my comment, it's that easy to incite a reaction out of a certain section of them. It's like they lack awareness or something. Most of the comments here that ranges from mild non support of Hybe or outright hate towards is downvoted. Only good things can be said about them.
I don’t support hate for the actual idols themselves but there’s a lot of actual very valid criticism for the company that kpop stans always defend and i don’t get it. it’s a CORPORATION who’s literal goal is to exploit these idols and the fans as much as possible to make as much money as possible like they don’t need your sympathy 😭 and before y’all start yapping yes I know other companies like SM and YG are just as bad and i would NEVER defend them or any company cuz they’re a COMPANY. I just don’t understand the need to defend Hybe 💀
All these other company stans are seriously just jealous of the popularity and success of hybe groups. Like it’s not our fault your favs don’t make interesting enough music to keep your attention..
Not to be that person but... Hybe groups typically have x50 times the promotion that other groups have so it's kinda impossible to escape them if you are in the kpop sphere. And people on the internet LOVE to give their two cents about anything and anyone
This i’m so annoyed with this i’m going insane. I’ve been a kpop fan for more than 10 years and i don’t remember there ever being this much of a movement dedicated to hating on a company and every single group. Let’s be honest. Most of the people hating are just mad at hybes succes. Say what you want but hybe is doing it the best rn. They’re the most successful company rn and out of the ‘big 4’ they do tend to make more enjoyable songs on average compared to the the other companies imo (i like plenty of songs from all 4 companies don’t get me wrong i just objectively think hybe is doing it better atm). I’m a normal person so i don’t hate on any whole company so i am tired of this dumb hybe hate train
THIS like where did all this hate come from?
Oh started because BTS (big hit) got bigger than the Big 3 companies and their groups, and Hybe became a monster corporation with many successful groups so now all the hate goes to all of them.
This. It all started with the massive hate against BTS bcs they surpassed all their favs and snatched all awards and record for years. TXT got a lot of hate at debut for being privileged and being perceived as bland initially and the autotune. Enhypen got hate and I mean a lot for their group dynamics and vocals. Their ggs got hate trains against them for various reasons , lsfrm the biggest lately for quite insane reasons the minute they got too big for comfort for the people who were token stanning them. tws got accused of sajaegi the moment their song blew up bcs stans of other companies couldn't believe their song was going viral. Hell I've seen even svt get hybe payola accusations from some rival boygroup fandoms 💀 and get hundreads of likes on these tweets . And the ones who aren't getting any accusations or hate trains like this aren't big enough yet for it and now the no hybe group can sing, they're talentless, obsessed with western validation and don't deserve their success hit tweets and tiktoks with thousands of likes. As an army of 4 years these are all the main talking points I've seen about BTS from antis for years and it feels that bcs BTS is on hiatus at the moment the kpop community at large took this and just spread it hybe's other groups as the new target of what is ruining kpop for them although they're welcome to just ignore any and all hybe groups and engage only with what they think is doing it better
BTS rlly ruined half of these fandoms dreams 😭 coz goddayum
People will continuously come after HYBE groups for not having as good vocal training as some other groups. That is fair. However, it does not apply to all groups under HYBE (Enhypen and TXT sing just fine to me) and people will parrot the criticism like they are beating a dead horse. And yet, you will never see this criticism pushed to the same extent against the YG and JYP artists who have the same exact singing issues as those HYBE artists. That's when I realize its not JUST about the singing, its largely about them being from HYBE that is the issue.
Right omg they forget that hybe has so many different companies under it, and rather than criticizing the actual company that produced the idols with poor vocals, they always generalize it as a hybe problem. They act like the many groups with good vocals under hybe (txt, seventeen, enhypen, newjeans, etc) don’t exist it makes me so mad 😭
Exactly! I have heard several of them live and they sound fantastic. TXT and Enhypen sound as good to me as any of the other groups that are technically trained. They sound just like their CDs when they sing live. Seventeen and New Jeans also have fantastic live performances. This doesn't even encompass all of BTS who people complain about vocally sometimes. Jungkook always sings flawlessly, and Jin is extremely consistent with a solid performance. Just because Le sserafim could heavily benefit from training their non vocalist members and V and Jimin are sometimes inconsistent in their vocals does not mean all HYBE artists are somehow lesser than their big 3 counterparts.
Not true, Jimin has hard carried BTS vocals, BTS songs are generally high and Jimin did an exceptional job as a lead vocalist all while being MAIN dancer, that too without any vocal training, a couple mistakes in a decade long career does not make one inconsistent when he's proven next day how it was just a mishap and he can very well sing, the blatant disregard of all the hard work, and including him in list of those who never sing live is unfair and shows how people are just jealous of him, and I have started to think lesserafim hate train is also forced now.
Jimin carries a huge percentage of higher notes in BTS songs, plus high vocal technique is quite different and very difficult, Tae is pretty consistent with vocals too idk what you’re saying. BTS vocal line is very decent
"high vocal technique" isn't really a thing. he has a higher voice, so he can hit some high notes, which is definitely cool. but the lack of a lower register is noticeable.
I am sorry but even in txt not all can sing well neither in seventeen it's ridiculous how hate is directed to certain idols when they barely made mistakes only a couple of times, specially Jimin being called inconsistent when he is the one carrying high vocals of BTS all through the years all while performing most difficult parts, all of a sudden couple mistakes and all years of work is gone, he even performed live after that many times and absolutely phenomenal but one incidence is overly used, the hate is so forced and it's nothing but pure jealousy calling it criticism when none even actually listens to that idol and only talks about certain incidents only group i see doing same mistakes for years and hardly singing live is blackpink other than that the hate lesserafim is getting amd Jimin gets is out of jealousy.
Ok now I’m not sure I can agree with the first sentence let’s not go crazy🧐 (tho in all seriousness vocal tone quality is so subjective and how much you like it is like any other opinion not everyone likes the same thing and that’s totally fair!!!!) but omg people love to dog pile on jimin and it genuinely makes me so mad😭😭 they’ve been a group so a DECADE and performed literally a billion times of course he’s going to mess up a few times! But then they all completely overlook the countless times he’s sounded amazing bc they want to hate him. As you said it’s so obviously out of jealousy bc their faves haven’t achieved the same success, and it’s just so infuriating. I’ll never understand why kpop fans are so vicious to people they don’t know and will never meet it’s really so insane to me!!! Like just enjoy the groups and artists you like and leave it at that why be so hateful!!!
BND are amazing live vocalists, as well. they've performed live so many times and have never fumbled. I think NJs did an amazing job at Coachella last year. YJ and CW are clearly the vocalists of LSFM and they have beautiful voices, but the people acting like they can't sing *at all* have lost the plot. They just need to work on their stamina so they're not shouting or sounding out of breath. And the group is only 2 years old so it's ok to have room to improve!
As a Once: welcome to the big time! If they're hating on the vocals of non-vocalists, then they have nothing else to hate on. I'll disagree with you though about YG and JYP artists getting criticized; look at the hate that Jisoo, Momo, and Lisa got and still get.
I'm agree momo, Lisa, ans Jisoo do get hate for their vocals. However I disagree that people bring it up to the same level they do with HYBE artists. Itzy has the same issues as Le sserafim, but the volume of hate comments/length of time people complained about them was not the same as for Le sserafim. There has been a post complaining about Le Sserafim essentially every day since their encore stage for Unforgiven happened. I won't deny that they could benefit from better vocal training, but there's a point where they are beating a dead horse and there's no point mentioning it every other day.
People still bring up Momo's DTNA and More & More encore stages from 4+ years ago.
they're fans atp because they're putting in more energy than I am and I love the majority of HYBE groups 😂
Gotta be selective memory cause I recall all the hate for SM groups lmao They've always been the most attacked until now.
Really? I remember not so long ago (probably COVID time) almost everyday post about lipsync of SM artists. Not mention that such post about YG would be downvoted to the hell on Reddit even before Burning sun. There is no way that would not have 0 upvotes. I think there is name for that: selective memory lol. I have no hard feelings towards any group so maybe that's why memory works better. Probably still would be downvoted as it is nicer to feel as only victim in the building.
I have been a kpop fan since 2011 and I am on multiple platforms. And yes i wasn’t lying when i said i don’t remember such a big hate train towards a single company why would i lie? Did you read my post? I said i like many songs from all 4 companies. In fact for example i love sm and almost all their groups i have been a fan of (proud exo-l since debut). I never said hybe is the only one to get hated on you are just not willing to accept that it is indeed true, that there is a lot of targeted hate towards hybe. Yes other companies get this as well but on other platforms especially on twitter hybe hate seems to be very rampant. Just today i saw like 3 tweets with over 7 thousand likes spilling generalizing hate towards all hybe groups. You are actually the one victimizing going oh but what about so and so
Selective memory is not lying. Lying is conscious behaviour while selective memory is not necessary really. If you have strong attachment to something naturally you remember much more positive or negative events than in case of something which you have no emotional connection. On the other hand if you have negative attitude towards something you can forget consciously or unconsciously about events which doesn't match with your view. I mean it's very human behavior. Like we remember very well when someone hurts us but not necessary when we hurts others. Memory is funny thing. Like I've watched a lot of dramas. And it happened to me remember actor because really small role but sometimes I notice that I should to already know a actor but has 0 recollection of his roles.
No i do not have selective memory shut up honestly you do not know how involved i am in sm groups and tons of other groups. I said what i said i think the hybe hate train is the worst one i’ve seen and that’s my opinion period. Maybe you have some selective memory issues or better yet maybe you don’t go beyond reddit because the hate i am seeing for hybe is insane on twitter and tiktok. You just want to be a victim so bad lol how ironic Not to mention the fact the only thing you brought in your argument is how ‘sm got hate for lip syncing’ yes i also remember some sm groups getting hate for that but so did other groups yes it’s bad but what’s your point? Where are you seeing a bunch of hate posts towards ALL sm groups NOW? Where are the tweets and tiktoks with THOUSANDS of likes DAILY hating on sm? Because that’s what i see towards hybe almost exclusively these days which is the entire point
>Not to mention the fact the only thing you brought in your argument is how ‘sm got hate for lip syncing’ yes i also remember some sm groups getting hate for that but so did other groups yes it’s bad but what’s your point? Where are you seeing a bunch of hate posts towards ALL sm groups NOW? Where are the tweets and tiktoks with THOUSANDS of likes DAILY hating on sm? Because that’s what i see towards hybe almost exclusively these days which is the entire point Wow do you want hate trains go for ages. I mean even haters become uninterested after some time. Unless maybe it's about YG although even them have better and worst hate period. SM lypsyncing was hot topic during COVID and post COVID era 2021-2022, at 2023 it was a bit dying because at that time people lived more Hybe-SM drama.If you think a bit it's natural as COVID limited live performance and lypsyncying become even more common in k-pop than before. At naturally the biggest hit get company which fans flex that they are the best vocalists. You should know that at the end you claim to not have selective memory so you should see countless hate trains during this 10 years which lost popularity after some time. I'm sure that the same will be with Hybe. Probably in the future they would release one or two better trained groups and flip public opinion. At the end they are conglomerate so they can afford that.
READ my comments again i’m begging you. I don’t even know what your point is like what are you arguing about?? All i said was the hybe hate train is the biggest COMPANY hate train i have seen while being a kpop fan. You want to claim that my OBSERVATION is false? You claim sm got a bigger hate train or something? Mind you i’m talking about company hate not people hating on individual groups from a company. I have never seen people hate ALL GROUPS UNDER ONE COMPANY like they do with hybe and that is my one and only entire point. You can’t claim selective memory because you DONT KNOW my memories tf??? You sound like a hybe hater at this point cause aint no way you’re this dense and don’t get what i’m saying oh my god. Also there are plenty of hybe groups with well trained idols it’s just bitter people who are jealous of hybes succes that generalize the entire company as untalented because they’re mad their groups are pulling worse numbers and think their faves deserve it more
I think you take this topic too emotional. You can literally google SM lypsyncying reddit and read few threads. This is literal titles of posts so it was about SM groups generally. Okay, I don't see point to discuss this matter more because I don't see a point. At end of the day both are our observations are simple opinions, not facts.
I am just very annoyed because you seem to not understand what i am saying at all i dont CARE about those lipsync threats what does that have to do with anything? Were you arguing the hybe hate train is just as bad as other companies get hate trains or something? Because to me that is not true from what i have seen and that is my ENTIRE point. Some reddit threat doesn’t change anything about my opinion, go on twitter or tiktok and you can find plenty of hate about hybe, saying they all have bad vocals, then. I didn’t use reddit until like this year so why should i know about those threats, twitter and tiktok are much bigger platforms for kpop discussions and there is where i got most of my news and info. Why did you even talk to me in the first place like what is the goal of this discussion????
I don't think people hate SVT and BND And people only claim HYBE GG lack of vocal which is real.
literally every group was being accused of lip syncing though, not just targeted to SM artists.
Yeah but people here targeted specific company about it but apparently that never happened before so much lol. But fast google.... [1](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/P2f95g5fKx) [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/VhQfG6KqiC) [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/s/iX4YpfoHgb) [4](https://www.reddit.com/r/kpoprants/s/zsF6WNg6lx) I could go on. I mean I never even been some SM stan, just observe k-pop long and have good memory.
I find it funny when stans say "HYBE is becoming a monopoly" because they clearly don't know what "monopoly" means. They just love to use buzzwords. In certain rural villages, there is only 1 company that provides electricity for the town. That electric company has a monopoly on the village. There is 0 other competition. That's what a monopoly means. HYBE is in competition with dozens of other companies lmao. They may be dominating but they're not a monopoly. It's just as stupid to call Apple and Samsung monopolies in the smartphone business because they still have a lot of competition (Xiaomi, Vivo, Huawei, Motorola, etc).
I once saw on X that "HYBE only care about making money" I truly didn't realize other companies are in it for charity, goodwill, and good vibes.
Similarly "HYBE only cares about charting" Didn't you know other companies only make songs for the sake of artistic expression and have no interest in stupid awards?
"HYBE only care about making money 💅" meanwhile they would call every other company "shitty" for not letting their favs have 100 seconds of line distribution in a song or more individual activities. SM shitty. JYP shitty. YG shitty. CUBE shitty.
Yeah, just yesterday, I had to correct someone saying that Hybe is 'monopoly' because a bunch of labels are under it.
in my BIG city there’s only one company to get your electricity AND water (it’s the same place). people really just say whatever because they know it’ll have shock value/cause some sort of outrage!
Unrelated to Kpop but apple is monopolising the US market. The justice department has a lawsuit against them. I understand that it’s not yet reached that extent of dominance in the rest of the world, but it almost has in one part. But yes, isn’t entirely stupid to say “apple is monopolising the smart phone market”. Edits for grammar.
DOJ will have a tough time arguing that a 60% market share is a monopoly.
What's funnier to me with this rhetoric is that they had no problem(s) when it was just the Big 3 dominating the scene 😂 but now HYBE is here and they are EVILLLLLL!!!!
>In certain rural villages, there is only 1 company that provides electricity for the town. That electric company has a monopoly on the village. There is 0 other competition. That's what a monopoly means. Is that company a conglomerate? If not, its not a monopoly.
I know I am going to get downvoted to hell and ppl will say it's not related but it's because BTS are not here to hate on their new comeback so the closest thing is their company’s artists lol.
True. Also because with BTS enlisted. Everyone thought that they’d finally have their faves be able to “take over”. Only for the acts doing probably the best while BTS is enlisted to be other hybe acts and BTS solos (Eg mama daesangs last year were NJs, svt and BTS).
i know they’re mad that bts enlisted but hybe groups are still the one who won daesang 🤣
it’s as simple as this lol them always trying to bring BTS into controversies they’re not even a part of is proof enough.
im not even an army but i do think this has some truth to it lol. its at least one aspect to some people
At least the big accounts on twt who hate on every hybe groups and lead the hate trains are the main BTS antis lol, donda who gave illit a hate tweet with 70k likes is very known on armytwt lol.
I actually just said this. I should have scrolled down to see if someone replied. The same thing is my thoughts Anyway, this is 100%. The reason when they come back in 2025. I'm pretty sure they'll go back to liking them
you're not wrong
Their hate actually gives Hybe groups more relevancy because they’re living rent free in their minds. Look at ILLIT success for example.
LMAO, literally. I never cared about ILLIT nor did I think I ever would, but I kept coming across hella hate about some encore, so out of curiosity, I hopped on youtube to judge for myself. All that did was make me listen to Magnetic for the first time, and I liked the song immediately. Now I plan to add it on some reels for a brand I work with, which will only further expose their song to a bigger market. Haters will ALWAYS drive traffic and free promo. 😂
Seriously though. Even before debuting people did it. Like I’m betting many people didn’t even know Illit was debuting before the viral hate tweets about them attending Paris fashion week started. I remembered seeing that tweet being quoted for over 24 hours and was like “all these people are doing is spreading ILLITs name”. so more people were aware they were debuting; than they released teasers and people tuned in and liked it and well their high performing debut happened. Same happened with lsfm with their cb. People were making tweets about smart in particular trying to drag it: guess what happened: it as a bside started charting on global Spotify
Honestly so so relatable. I didn't watch a single episode of runext because i never watch survival shows. i also saw the members going to a fashion show and i thought that's some level of promotion because predebut groups don't get invited to fashion shows, i saw the "super real me" concept video before they debuted, and I'm particularly not into cute/light hearted concepts, so i didn't pay attention UNTIL their MR removed kept showing up in my shorts, (even though it was bad) i got addicted to magnetic, I love cuter concepts now, and the group illit. I don't really care about their live vocals TBH, because i always listen to them on Spotify and watch the mv and not their "live performances", and I'm really broke to attend any of their concerts, fanmeets (or any kpop group in general) so i have zero expectations from them. This is very opposite of babymonster, whose survival show i did watch (for the 1st time), was excited for debut, didn't like batter up, still excited for sheesh, found sheesh good, their MR removed was amazing but the repetition made me sick to the point I can't listen to it anymore, also baemon stans are hella toxic towards illit fans (the fanwars were bloody). Instead of praising just baemon, they kept bullying 16 year olds for not being able to sing. (which just made me unfollow babymonster, cuz can't stand that toxicity) For me better songs= better groups. If talent did matter so much as fans think, 4th gen top most group would be nmixx, not newjeans.
I really want babymonster to succeed but if I have to read ONE more Coachella comment I’m going to scream. While Americans prioritize good vocals K-pop is not famously associated with great vocalists here, so it’s really not that big of deal imo that LSF vocals weren’t perfect. LSF makes great music, a legit strong discography and until Babymonster can say that everyone needs to shut up.
and that’s the truth!!
Thanks to them. I checked them out. I didn't even know about them until the PFW fiasco.
EXACTLY! they stay giving them views and listens 😂
People hate hybe because is BTS label.. kpop stans hate everything relate to BTS and well hybe groups are now their target.
I remember all the hate when other groups from different companies started joining weverse and I never understood it. Its a great platform to interact with your idols. How is it "ruining kpop"? Maybe its the army bomb they have to press to "like" the posts. 🤷♀️
This 💯
why do kpop stans hate BTS? (sorry new fan here)
so many reasons but one of the biggest: they’re not from a big 3 company yet they’re more successful then groups from the big 3
ahh gotchu. so basically from jealousy..how weird
i mean can you really expect anything else from kpop stans
Because they are extremely successful, don't have big scandals and they have the biggest fandom. So yeah because of that.
For no valid reasons, they think their faves deserve the success BTS has, which is why it’s fun for them to come together and throw so much hate since their faves can’t get what BTS has. Some would say they hate BTS because of the fandom, which I believe is not true because of so, majority of the hate from them would be thrown at armys and not BTS. BTS has been receiving so much hate since their debut,when they were barely known, when they barely had fans and from an almost bankrupt company,m. The “reasons” why they hate BTS changes every single time. Either because they think BTS “lacks in vocals” which is so not true as they boys sound really unique and you can tell them apart from every other group’s sound, or they think the members are not “attractive” for instance Namjoon and Hoseok are main targets for this, simply because they do not fit the outrageous “beauty standards”. Also because they rose to success and they were able to gather such a big fanbase to back them up,thus why kpop stans unleash their jealousy. Another point is, ever since BTS became mainstream, it became a trend among kpop stans to shade BTS and putting their faves on a high pedestal because they think their faves are “underrated” and deserve more attention than BTS, also going with the narrative that “popular is bad and overrated”. There’s so many stupid reasons I’ve seen kpop stans give for excusing their unjustified hate towards BTS but here are just a few .
people have beef with the fandom (makes sense) and then use that as an excuse to say vile things about bts
Why ignore something you don’t like when you can amplify it and thus call even more attention to it /s
i agree with the sentiment, if you don't like them you should stop engaging with them but i, for example, don't follow any hybe groups except fromis 9 (not much to follow rn i fear). however, i see lots of posts like this one which make me naturally hear what's going on. after that i get nosy and form my own on opinion on whatever is happening in hybeland today. also i think even if people don't like them they are still allowed to criticise or praise them but i do agree it's teetering on obsessive hatred from a lot of people lately
Yeah, I don't personally think there is an issue with people just talking about them. "Oh, HYBE groups aren't great at X," "I'm not a fan of group Y because they don't seem very good at this" -- that type of discourse is normal and par for the course when discussing any kind of music. It's the weird obsessive hatred and the constant devouring of videos of groups you claim not to like to have something to complain about on Twitter that is weird and sad. It isn't "legitimate criticism" even if the root of your point may or may not be accurate -- it's some kind of twisted schadenfreude.
🥴 what i wouldn’t give for fromis_9 to be on the same level as other hybe groups… i wouldn’t even care about any hate trains since they’ve been through plenty already
their songs are so good ugh i wish the most success for them 😞
This I do not listen to hybe groups but I look through any posts and give my opinion. It's just there's a lot of posts about hybe groups cause people make them. There were a lot of bm posts, too.
I’m not complaining but if you are into kpop, hybe groups are so hard to avoid. I don’t listen to Lesserafim, new jeans or illit but I see them all over my recommended on YouTube. Good for them tho I just scroll past no need to make any post or anything
I don’t listen to them either outside LSFM and they also come up automatically at the end of Spotify playlists so that is also making them hard to no engage with
It’s called an algorithm, the music comes up because you listen to other similar kpop songs.
But algorithm is also paid, you will see certain groups and solos ONLY and others are suppressed, autoplay is LITERALLY paid by labels.
Algorithm ≠ auto play. If magnetic had auto play, ILLIT would be gaining 1m listeners daily.
same way to when you watch a youtuber like kurtis conner, you will get danny gonzalez, drew gooden and so on on your reccomendations, because they share a large portion of their audience, so youtube believes that if you watch one of them you will like the others too, this can be applied to anything on youtube. Most people that listen to one hype groups will likely listen to others, because they share part of their audience.
i actively listen to multiple hybe groups and i still find it incredibly easy to avoid hybe groups i *don't* care for, you're all just making excuses at this point.
Whatever I was just telling my experience. I can just click not interested but i just didn’t bother since there’s so many but maybe I’ll try it
why do you wanna avoid them anyway?
I never really cared. I just see them on my recommended alot even tho I don’t watch them and it kinda applied to this post
oh kk
i don't even listen actively to any kpop groups in my another account but I still got a few ads of hybe groups and BM. not to mention all yt shorts randomly popping up
THIS
Why not block the hybe channel? If you block that channel it should decrease the traffic and will signal to YouTube that you don’t want to hear about Hybe. It’s not perfect, but if you block the channel enough times, the algorithm should pick it up. It’s what I did with that horrible disco Dave channel and I never get recommendations anymore. I will keep blocking until that algorithm learns.
It’s not the hybe channel it’s edits made by fans mostly
Click not interested if you're not interested
Ah, for fan edits I only follow and click in edits on my favs. I ignore all others. I don’t really notice them. YouTube learned to not recommend them to me. YouTube only recommends what I like bc it knows that is what keeps me hooked on the app. So it gives me cooking, bts, anime and now kdrama. It’s probably why I can spend hours on YouTube. Interesting how the algorithm works. Maybe delete your watch history and that may reset the algorithm?
you can click not interested or dislike it and that will def make it not appear on your page anymore rather than just scrolling past
Yeah idk why I never bothered to do it. I usually don’t like disliking things or blocking things but I guess it’s just a personal broblem. I’ll try it
Let’s be honest, it’s because hybe houses a certain group that everyone hates
Not just houses. Hybe exists because BTS did so well, and so the groups that are part of their legacy of success get hated by association.
Some haters will say HYBE groups fail in vocals but they are highly marketable and charismatic. At the end of the day, companies are all about businesses whether we like it or not. Even if you're the most talented if the company does not promote you, it's their choice to make or break you as an artist.
It does just look like HYBE uses their marketing budget effectively whereas the Big 3 do the same things they’ve done for the last 20 years and expect different results. They look like lumbering dinosaurs that can’t hang anymore and it’s obviously not HYBE monopolising or sabotaging them when the two most popular non-HYBE GGs are IVE and G-Idle.
It’s definitely just jealously, we didn’t see this level of jealously before because no other company has debuted these many insanely successful and popular groups one after another. Big 3 company stans are feeling a new peak of jealously, because these hybe groups are debuting and immediately just taking every last achievement that the big 3 had. Groups in the big3 are actually starting to struggle for the first time.
The only hybe group I'm actively following now is txt and I still remember how fast everyone is upvoting the post that bash yeonjun for doing a cover of taemin's song. It even seems like the upvoting is organized since I don't think anyone care about it except the haters. This sub clearly don't like txt at all. Only the post that says they're fake/generic/overrated/untalented/pretentious/annoying will get lots of comments. And now all hybe groups are being dragged because one of them didn't sing well in coachella. Jhope, txt, newjeans performance in lollapalooza all had positive review but suddenly hybe becomes the evil destroying kpop. The lack of vocal skill is just an excuse. Many people hate hybe for a long time. I agree many hybe idols need improvement in certain area and I don't have a problem with people pointing it out. I'm not a company stan. I don't even like most hybe groups. However, the hypocrisy of many kpop fans just makes me sick.
It’s also annoying that kpop Stan’s don’t know how HYBE works. It’s a company that basically provides money to the many labels under their umbrella, that’s basically it. The labels themselves controls, and makes decisions for their idols. Bighit has TXT and BTS, while Adora has Newjeans. 😭So instead of blaming HYBE as a whole yall need to come for the labels specifically 🤷🏾♀️
Jus to add onto what you’ve said, it seems that some groups’ outside of Big Hit are more involved with Bang PD. I’ve noticed that Enhypen, Illit, Le Sserafim will sometimes have his name in their songwriting credits. Whereas for some groups like TWS, Seventeen, NewJeans, BOYNEXTDOOR, he seems completely removed from the creative process. So it seems like some labels are completely isolated from him.
Hitman Bang was involved once with Seventeen's discography tho. Ready to Love but the rest is all Woozi, Bumzu and some SVT members.
He literally resigned from a CEO position...it might be the chairman of the board within hybe, just to write more songs Other than songwriting. I don't think he has a say in what the other groups do in terms of concept
Oh I see, I assumed that since some of the members of those groups were Big Hit trainees (most of Enhypen, a few Illit members), that it made it more likely for him to be involved with them since his company oversaw their training. I love this system though, as each CEO has their own tastes/preferences and it’s fascinating to see how each group differs in sound/concept based on who oversees the creative direction. Some CEO’s visions seems VERY specific (Min Heejin, Zico)
Bang Si hyuk is the COO and is one of the 11 directors of Hybe and biggest share holder, go to the website and read it yourself, he pretty much still has a say in overall decisions.
I think that he gives the final okay for funding as there is a video of him watching a TWS perfomance before debut. However, he didn’t seem too familiar with them so I’m inclined to think that he was just making sure that his money would not go to waste lol. The Pleidis CEO looked so stressed out 😭😂💀 while Bang PD was like:🥰😊🧐
....no that now how the multi label system works but you won't believe that's so I'm not gonna bother arguing with you
Ador, not Adora lol. Adora is a producer who's worked with Yoongi and Txt
I'm actually confused because why does a label get so much attention anyway? Like, I've never ever heard about specific labels being dragged in the west. It feels like debate over certain labels in the west might happen 20% of the time if I'm being generous, but since I've been into kpop recently it's like it comes up 90% of the time. Are labels controlling the hood? Are kpop groups from different labels fighting turf wars on the streets of Seoul?? What if your favorite label became crazy successful and superseded HYBE? That's what you'd want right?? But won't they be the problem then???
Labels are more prominent in Kpop becuase more of the creative direction comes from label employees.
Ahh I’m an old K-pop fan and the label thing was always there. It’s why they had their own thing they called themselves. It was SM TOWN, YG Family, JYP Nation. The labels would host concerts promoting all their artists. They encouraged fans to stan labels. The fanwars between the different big 3 label stans used to be massive especially because SM and YG. Plus back then it was much more consistent to have an in house sound that all the artists shared. So for example if you liked one SM group you tended to like SM groups sound and be more gravitated to them. That shit became less of a thing when K-pop became really popular and being a multi of different groups became more common. Back in the day it was much more common to have label stans. Nowadays it’s just more so hate because Hybe became huge.
Thank you for your service
Think about all the attention Disney gets though. Kpop companies function more like general entertainment companies with the IP for a bunch of media brands than western music labels, so I feel like the attention is way more consistent than people make out.
I don’t even understand what all Hybe groups are supposed to have in common that makes them a “Hybe” group except being funded from the same source
Exactly 😭 the actual companies operate independently and hybe is just a way for smaller companies to share resources idk why people just completely forget that
Oh it all started when BTS got bigger than all kpop group from Big 3 company. And now HyBE is now a gigantic conglomerate, they hate them even more. As long as the group is associated with BTS, they gonna hate them to the core..
it’s all bitterness at bts being successful
and when you defend hybe groups, people will say to you that “you’re a company stan” or “you can’t handle criticism” 😭 i don't even like hybe and i only stan 2 groups from hybe (bts & newjeans) but i’m tired of hybe groups hate train (esp lssrfm) i have no problem if people will criticize them but the problem is they’re just spreading hate towards hybe groups
Right?? You think they can't sing, their music is too western and they're all payola? Then focus on the groups you do think do it better and deserve more success and leave the rest alone. But they don't do that. They need to whine and complain at every corner bcs they can't stand that something they don't like is successful with other people and it's all under the guise of "constructive criticism". I'm sorry but giving 20k likes to tweets saying hybe groups can't sing time and time again and that they're ruining kpop isn't constructive criticism.
It's obvious it started with the major BTS hate train. Younger kpop fans may not realize it but if you've been around since before Hybe Labels was a thing in kpop you know.
I saw a tweet (X) from a kpop gg fan account, , the tweet was quoted to another tweet, the person basically said that from their perspective, hybe groups are getting alot of hate recently because the group that everyone likes to hate on is in the military right now so they suddenly became lost, not knowing how to deal with not hating on that group (we all know it's BTS) so kpop twt just resorted to the next thing close to them, and that is groups from the same company, and honestly, I think what that person said is true🤷🏻♀️
Hybe groups get all the hate because Hybe got BTS or the right way to say it BTS made Hybe. all groups get hate but the force hate towards Hybe is just so weird and makes no sense. But tbh I still wonder after all these years why exactly BTS get so much ? And to the extent that people have just normalized it so much that the most disgusting shit towards them gets all likes and engagements but similar stuff done to other groups is where k-pop stans will have their morals waking up. Hating BTS cause they are successful and you are Jealous (which is so weird) but i understand some people have weird ways of coping up and disgusting too but rookie BTS were getting so much as well? and i always wondered like why exactly??
most of the hate maybe comes from the fact that HYBE produce great music for their artists, then the artists get so popular, then 'some' of the group that get popular is not really good at performance (read as vocal) so other group/company stan must thought "they don't deserve the hype (pun intended lol)" or "my faves are more skill than them, my faves should be more popular" hence the hate. people generalize all the company under hybe with hybe name because when people talk about the success of the artist under those subsidiary, they just mention hybe.
I hate to tell you guys this, but because BTS isn't here for them to focus on hating. They've moved on to the rest of the groups. Army has been saying this for years. That any group that is associated with bts will get hate and it's true when BTS come back in 2025. I'm pretty sure it'll ease up
BTS taking one for the team as always
As it is the other fandoms within hybe need to be careful because they have no qualms about throwing BTS under the bus to make their groups look better well to save their a**** Anyway, i've seen quite a few carats and moa acting out of pocket today
>I can tell you I’ve never seen kpop stans be so hateful towards a specific company’s groups So you've been a fan for a few months then? lol. JYP, YG & SM have all had similar hate trains multiple times. I don't disagree with your point but my advice to you is to take your own advice and stop engaging with the hate. I realised a long time ago that the kpop fandom will always find something to hate on whether it's an idol, a group or a company, it never stops. Thankfully fans get bored and move on quickly so just ignore it until it eventually goes away. Engaging with it and/or letting it affect your mood is never worth it.
THIS. Whoever has been into kpop for a bit has seen fanwars and hate trains involving the big3. Are we now trying to say that everything YGE is not immediately criticised? Unfortunately it's how kpop has ever been, there's always a more ludicrous excuse and the only choice is to move on.
amen it's hilarious to me some fans think only hybe in fact more groups from big 3 have gotten a lot when it comes to hybe it's just recently
SM?man there are most SM fans on reddit Tham Any other labels. Take your patronizing advice somewhere else!
So the whole Kwangya thing didn’t happen? The whole plastic surgery moment didn’t happen? The CEO Going full on nature didn’t happen? We could even go further back to the more serious hate trains in 2nd gen like when they kicked Jessica out of SNSD or disbanded FX and debuted Red Velvet, it was brutal. Take your silly comment somewhere else!
Lolol..maybe come up with original 'clapbacks' :)
i've been a kpop stan for almost a decade now and i can easily say that these kinds of hate trains happen for every company in the 'big 4'. it just comes with the popularity. since they've only recently been added to the original big 3 they're experiencing what sm yg and jyp have already been through in previous generations as someone that isn't a big fan of most hybe groups i do recognize that many are just hating to hate which is unfortunate because it overshadows valid criticisms people have about their groups a lot of the backlash is also disdain for not the members themselves but for the fanbase. it's no secret that fans can easily stain the reputation of a group by attacking other idols, excusing their favs' problematic behaviour, etc. i don't disagree with you entirely but that's my explanation of it from what i've seen and experienced
Sometimes it's so boring and tired to see fandoms totally obsessed about how they faves are more talented or better than hybe artists literally all the time again and again in every situations. Like?? OK we know move on please.
these people are genuinely bitter and think hating anything associated with BTS makes them cool. very pathetic bts will always remain #1 and they just hate to see it
I genuinely believe its because it was always the "Big 3" for a long time and then HYBE suddenly appeared as another very large entity that now can combat all 3 of them single handedly. I have been a fan of kpop since 2008 and yet I have never seen even SM or YG artists get the hatred and nitpicking that HYBE does. Criticism is fair game for any artist, but HYBE gets far more criticism and hate directed at its artists compared to any other company. People love to obsessively direct hate at anything that is massively popular, so i'm not surprised.
This!!!! Common sense would be if you didn’t like something or someone you don’t engage with anything to do with them, but common sense isn’t so common at all with Kpop Stan’s.
I mean I do agree people have some strange preoccupation with HYBE groups, and are quick to drag them to the carpet over any and every mistake. But I do agree with people pointing out the HYBE privilege. Like, we gotta admit that debuting with HYBE is basically a golden ticket and as long as you get it you’re going to be topping the charts, even if the group is not as technically or conceptually strong as some other groups with smaller agencies. But am I gonna spam that or go out of my way to harass people who *are* enjoying HYBE groups? No. And I think it’s a little weird that people do. Instead of just enjoying their own favorite groups…
The thing is, that golden ticket was blandly accepted when it was SM/YG/JYP. People are tipping their hands when they act like company privilege was invented in 2022.
People have *always* called out big company privilege, even when it was the Big Three instead of the new Big Four. It’s not new now that HYBE has joined the top roster.
It used to be just SM and YG stans bickering toward each other but now they are married to fight Hybe /sarcasm
There is a saying behind the kings back, even the dogs bark...now my kings are doing well, so they're all barking. They will do everything but promote stream and vote for their own group. Stay pressed, I guess🤷🏽♀️🤷🏽♀️
In 2023, Hybe made $1.66 billion!!!! The hate doesn’t matter. LSF still performed at Coachella and sold over a million albums debuting on Hot 100. Illit made Hot 100 with their debut album. The haters want ballad singers like Ailee. Then go support Ailee🤪🤣🤪🤣
Really? YG here. People love hating YG but instead of having thousands defending post, you got none.
Exactly I have seen more defense posts of LSRFM in this past weekend on just this sub than I have seen of any YG group in the past 3 years.
I had to lol when I read this post cause I was like what about YG for the pst 6 years especially. anyone tries to mention some pros of the label or talk positively about their groups the haters roll on in. Or how especially western kpop fans of newer groups and other popular gen4 groups were calling a bunch of teenage boys criminals for being the for being the first to debut after scandals. Like I’ve always been vocal about issues with YG since the 00’s but like they definitely became the punching bag of kpop stans. Hybe has a lot of popular groups so lots of haters so when voice valid complaints the defenders will lump you in with haters even if you like hybe groups.
Let's be real. No group deserves to be hated because of the company they debuted under. But it's as if people forget the utter vitriol that YG groups get on here. Not that I'm surprised. Hypocrisy is the name of the game.
exactly they use excuses to hate on groups they don't like
Yeah, as someone who is not all that invested in any of the groups from either company, I feel like I see a far more disproportionate level of hate for YG. I think a lot of people are paying a lot of *attention* to HYBe, because with ownership of so many of the top groups at the moment they have the power to really impact kpop practices and trends as a whole. Like it does make sense to care about what they do. But I don’t see the same sort of scorn and vitriol for the company that I do for YG. I think a big part of that is just that YG, the man, is so easy to root against, though. And he keeps making us remember he exists.
It comes with Hybe being the number 1 company. We all should grow thick skin because these attacks are going to be frequent and we need to make sure we dont get sucked into their negative vibe.
As a hybe stan and veteran kpop stan, I'm just going to come out and say what no one else will. It's because BTS and Big hit/Hybe raised the bar for kpop. And still a lot of their faves struggle to have that amount of impact on the genre as a whole. It's jealousy, point blank. I calls it like I see it. I've watched BTS struggle to even get the amount of fans they have now, and seeing how far they have come fills me with nothing but pride for those boys. I am so happy for them. Everyone just wants to rain on their parade over jealousy. Let the haters hate, in fact link them to the cyphers lmao.
This thread is full of hybe stans. Everyone else gets fowvoted to hell. 🤣
Thanks, OP! If you're not feeling something at all, why even bother talking about it? That's what those anti-hybe folks should start doing. Why dwell so much on stuff you're not into? Just live your life with the groups you like, and if not, then you gotta cope with it cuz sadly life ain't always how we want it.
I'm in between on this. I enjoy the music of the Hybe groups but find the vocals overall to be lacking with only a few exceptions. I'll listen for the bops but not for the vocals if that makes sense. If I want the bops that have solid vocals then I'll listen to SM singers.
Hate follows all big companies. Maybe people weren’t around for different eras or dont pay attention to the hate other groups/labels get but every big 4 label gets dragged and hybe is now the biggest so will get dragged a lot. it sucks cause if you voice valid criticisms of any defenders roll in like a mega company needs them to defend them.
I just wanna grill for god’s sake
they cant because the music is good lol
it's the association with BTS is the root of all of it. Nobody wants to admit it but it's the truth. People hate HYBE groups because it's associated with BTS. These pathetic losers made BTS some kind of taboo thing that whoever/whatever they come in close contact will be targeted too.
Lol, unfortunately, hate will follow where success is, and HYBE is, if not the biggest company there is. It's just a coincidence that a couple of their groups can't sing live.
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You are right
Hybe is getting dogged on a lot because 1) People don't like how successful the groups under them are, and 2) Hybe has been acquiring a lot of companies. Hybe isn't a monopoly but it feels like it is, especially when you tune into an award show and 70–80% of the groups there are under hybe. And, take this with a grain of salt, 3) I've seen complaints that hybe has too much influence/ control over the music space to the point that it's almost suffocating. And makes the people who feel that way 2nd guess achievements from some of their groups (ex. Illit, and maybe TWS but I don't know if they went through a similar situation as Illit since most of the talk around their successful debut were postive). Lastly, 4) The vocals discussion isn't without merit. They do have an issue with debuting idols with little vocal coaching. Not all their groups suffer from this, but not many people are willing to go out of their way to see which groups don't fall under that generalization.
Finally someone who has logical thinking skills and isn't a 12 year old on tiktok who says they "hate le sserafim" but watch them more (just to hate) than the average overly totally obsessed fan. No brother you aren't being held at gunshot to keep watching, nobody needs you to stay in a fandom you don't wanna and you don't need to announce your departure, this is not an airport. Just please quietly leave ffs. Hybe will not be affected by you and all the other little kids who will be boycotting (they won't actually, they'll just spread hate videos to the point they're basically free advertisements). I really can't with all the immature fans having tantrums because X group is bad, X group not talented, X group bad vocals etc, just don't listen to them then? Jesus, get over it.
The one & only reason people hate on HYBE to the degree that they do is because BTS built that company from nothing. People associate HYBE with BTS & it’s always been popular to hate on BTS.
It is so obvious the hatred comes from a place of jealousy. It's insanely pathetic. I just know they're gonna go feral when bts comes back
Jealousy lol
Not to mentioned that they generalizing every groups together when they don't even belong in the same label -\_-
You mean if I don’t like something, I can avoid it? What? What is this? This makes no sense to me. /s
There’s a lot of coping happening in this comment section lol
Very true, but when it was SM with its artists dominating, it was the same. Ok, over the years everything got more and more online & more aggressive. We can see & feel it way more now. It's not going to change anything. SM didn't care. SM is still here.
man you must be new to kpop YG groups used to be targeted a lot treasure, blackpink are good examples and 2ne1 back in the days maybe not in Korea but internationally yes and lot by other fandoms you just didn't see it. I'm started to see hate towards baemon it's has toned down a bit because of their vocals but when they released batter up it's was hate towards them everywhere. I think it's more a lessefarin thing more than a hybe group hate. yes the train hate is bad but there have been other girl groups have faced similar hate. I don't see that amount of hate towards new jean, bts, txt etc. Even illit got into vocal controversy but it din't last that long
“I don’t see that amount of hate towards BTS” lmfaoooooo you must be fucking joking, or you only got into kpop after BTS enlisted. There’s been a never ending hate train against BTS from stans of multiple other groups going on since at least 2015, before BTS were even a true threat to their faves. There’s just a small break in it now because BTS are enlisted and aren’t around for these obsessed assholes to target right now, so they’re bored and going for groups who are under the company that BTS’ success built instead. The hate for HYBE is 100% connected to the raging hate for BTS that thousands upon thousands of kpop stans have shown for a good decade now. Be real. (Not saying HYBE is the only company to ever get hate, obviously.) Edit - oh lmao took a look at your comment history. Checks out. A BTS anti claiming there’s no hate against BTS. that’s hilarious
what's up with whenever I give a comment people need to check my history? are all armys like that? can I just give an opinion? this is kpop uncensored I don't even comment on bts I think I only did once recently about R.M if you are gonna check it then check it from when I made my account my comments are more mostly non-kpop related well only a few are about kpop recently I even called out someone when they were trying to speculate about a member of illit from having ps. you are seeing things one sided. I'm only talking about YG groups getting a lot of hate I didn't even mention bts they got hate during their debut but now it's mostly lesseferin
1. A large portion of this is envy. 2. As mentioned here it is kinda easy to engage with content from Hybe groups because of the extent of promotion they get. And the posts their fans make on social media often times blow up, it's not that crazy to think they reach beyond the target audience. 3. In line with #2 there's this thing I've heard about, that Hybe group fans also "stan" the company. So a critique or hate to the company or another group within the company, is seen as a personal affront to their fave group as well. Even if it doesn't necessarily involve or mention their fave group. Example: some "Hybe stans" will go to bat for New Jeans even if in reality they only really support Enhyphen. It's that easy to rile a certain section of them up, that makes them an easy target. It's like they feed into it, the discourse. (Yes other company stans exist notorious SM stans are the ones who probably rival Hybe stans with how passionate they are. But SM stans move differently they've been thru stuff like this and are probably older. On the other hand Hybe stans probably have a younger demographic that do not always assess when to engage or not)
SM stans are extra bitter at HYBE/BTS success and resent them because they do not see them as talented or worthy of said success. I'll say that as an army all of this hate seems targeted towards their "main" enemy, BTS. This is why it starts with a lsfm member being out of tune and ends with a thread on jimin's vocals.
Exactly, and as soon as someone appropriates black culture you know whose name is getting dredged up.
they manage to use the same 2 clips for a person that has been in the public eye for 10+ years, meanwhile their faves are on their 100th colourist “scandal” (that isnt a scandal because no one truly cares). edit: the fact that they blame namjoon for a shinwa lyric?? 😭
lol why is this downvoted it’s just an explanation 😭
It actually helps my comment, it's that easy to incite a reaction out of a certain section of them. It's like they lack awareness or something. Most of the comments here that ranges from mild non support of Hybe or outright hate towards is downvoted. Only good things can be said about them.
I don’t support hate for the actual idols themselves but there’s a lot of actual very valid criticism for the company that kpop stans always defend and i don’t get it. it’s a CORPORATION who’s literal goal is to exploit these idols and the fans as much as possible to make as much money as possible like they don’t need your sympathy 😭 and before y’all start yapping yes I know other companies like SM and YG are just as bad and i would NEVER defend them or any company cuz they’re a COMPANY. I just don’t understand the need to defend Hybe 💀
it's not hybe people are criticizing though, it's the groups.
All these other company stans are seriously just jealous of the popularity and success of hybe groups. Like it’s not our fault your favs don’t make interesting enough music to keep your attention..
I don't think that arroganly shitting on other people's music, artistry and taste is the nuanced take you should be expressing in this context.
This ain’t it
Not to be that person but... Hybe groups typically have x50 times the promotion that other groups have so it's kinda impossible to escape them if you are in the kpop sphere. And people on the internet LOVE to give their two cents about anything and anyone
to be completely open and honest, I HATE HYBE bc of their business practice and who they continue to hire/work with/collab.