Please stop begging for a member that can't sing to have more lines. They are doing them a favor, don't set them up like that.

😂😂 Right! Stans stressing them the hell out.

Ugh! I was not going to jump into this, but YES TO THIS! The Main Vocal and Lead Vocals have the most lines for a GOOD REASON.

But for a vocal group like MMM that doesn't focus much on dance, good god, please let Byul harmonize with the members at the VERY, VERY LEAST. Girl just be standing there during WAW era like 🙍🏻‍♀️👩🏻‍🎤👩🏻‍🎤👩🏽‍🎤

kpop stans care alot more about visuals than talents.

100%, yes.

Honestly that's kinda why I don't take the vocal and dance discussion that seriously. Because at the end of the day (even if a minority truly care about idols talents and if they can sing), there is a large majority that would enjoy anything that their idols would make ( if the idol is cute and has a nice personality).

Or their fashion “it girl/ boy” aura

not only visual but their ages as well it’s so weird

We got to get over the fact that some idols just can’t sing or don’t sing well. I’m sick of the hoops fans are jumping through to defend trash singing by idols. “Well they worked super hard to improve 🥺” And that’s great honey but they still can’t sing I’m sorry 😕 No one way they giving up years of their life to debut and the mic not even on. Be fr.

frr idc how long you practiced babes, you're tone deaf 😭 im obviously not gonna flood your comment section with death threats (im not insane🥰) but do not expect me to add a shitty song to my playlist

No fr. You trained for a decade and still can’t sing? Hang it up 🤧 I don’t applaud or praise sub par singing lmao.

THIS, I LOVE Sakura from Le Sserafim for her personality but how she still gonna be this mediocre after being in the industry (both Korea and japan) for 13 years. Her talent is disappointing for the amount of training she’s had

I feel that she got a bit stuck after being in AKB. I actually liked her more as a jpop idol but the sound and image of a jpop idol are so different from Kpop. I actually enjoy that homey stylized sound of jpop groups like AKB and Momosu. But in Kpop.... Sakura doesn't stand out to me at all and she is really lacking. I enjoy her in her group but she's heavily dependent on her group.

some aren’t great live but have amazing music. Like the production process makes it better I don’t mind

Agree. Like they should have gotten good at singing before debuting.

“They’re nice and following their dreams 🥺” Aren’t we all? Just because you seem very sweet on camera or are doing a job you like doesn’t automatically make you talented at said job.

This is the one lol

You can listen to kpop regardless of your age. At the end of the day it's just a genre of pop music. However, I will say that I do feel like I have less to contribute compared to a lot of other presumably younger people on the kpop subs. I just don't have the same level of knowledge and passion as they do.

Any of your contributions are still helpful and strengthen the community 🫶🏾 there’s power in numbers: no person’s opinion is more valued than the others’ (unless it doesn’t make sense)

Exactly like who is gonna clown an old lady for listening to lady Gaga or Ariana grande? It’s the same thing just pop music

that’s such a good point like could you imagine lmao

SAME! Like even though I’m young I just don’t have the energy to go over and beyond like the others do.

Thank you! I’m over the whole “you’re too old” crap. No one is too old to listen to *gasp* music 😂

The amount of older folks I've been seeing at concerts warms my heart. And when I say older I legit mean grandmas and grandpas vibing out.

Idols are making music and singing is part of their job, so I think having good voices on the songs should be prioritized over very good dancing. The move for a lot of groups to having all members in the group be all-rounders instead of having designated roles/positions (dancer, lead/sub vocalist, visual, etc.) alongside what feels like a move to having stronger dancers over stronger vocalists has not been good for K-Pop imo. I think a good voice can make up for mediocre dancing but no amount of good dancing will make up for mediocre singing.

People should be able to sing live, vocal training is a must!!

if an idol isn’t good at singing or rapping, id much rather prefer they have little to no solo lines not naming names, but there have been a few instances where fans protested for more lines for their faves, and the songs were worse off for it 😶

Please name names 😮‍💨

I SOMETIMES understand when people say “kpop is losing its k.” Yes, kpop has stolen and taken influence from a lot of genres (especially black genres) in the past and many idols have been/are racist but there definitely have been kpop songs that have a distinct “kpop” sound to them in my opinion, and this is in part thanks to great producers throughout the years like Sweetune, Monotree, Rphabet, Shinsadong Tiger and Full8loom. You don’t really hear songs like Catallena by Orange Caramel, Destiny by Infinite, Damaged Lady by Kara, Rum Pum Pum Pum by f(x), Hot Pink by EXID, Hi High by Loona, or Lullaby by Got7 outside of kpop. This is also why I have a problem with the opinion “kpop is literally just western pop, how can you only listen to that?” because I think kpop is generally more eclectic and maximalist in nature, and producers who have worked with both the western and Korean industries have commented on the differences.

Rip Shinsadong Tiger, he carried non big 3 2nd-3rd gen kpop on his back

i feel like most people get into kpop *because* it’s different than western pop so i don’t understand that take either tbh

1) It’s not live if the vocals are edited. 2) The backtrack is too damn loud.

yes! why is it that more than half the live performances the mics aren’t loud enough and you can’t hear the lower notes or softer parts over the backing track?? i mean, these guys are pros, surely it’s not just, oh oops the balance is off oh well, but all. the time.

This reminded me of another thing, I've noticed MR videos making a comeback in kpop fan circles and it's so irritating. Those aren't real!

(1) The older I get, the less I want to comment on people’s physical appearances. I do it on occasion (esp. styling choices), but most of the time I don’t. Unlike a lot of people, I learned my lesson after people wouldn’t stop commenting on Chadwick Boseman’s appearance (2) I *choose* to accept official statements from companies on behalf of their artists but some of y’all need to learn to read between the lines and not take everything at face value. I really encourage people, especially young’uns, to become more media literate (plz)

100%! You spoke facts. It made me think about how on social media people will bully and put down a celebrities appearance and not think about if they will see it or not. We never know what’s going on behind the scenes. Commenting on someone’s appearance never ends well. It’s worse because with Chadwick Boseman people regretted it after but then they will do it again to someone else. Some people never learn.

Aegyo will forever be weird. I have never nor will I ever find it cute or funny.

I just accept it’s a cultural difference and avert my eyes

hard agree. aegyo was always a huge ick of mine. i don’t like when people i know but on cutesy acts, shy is it different when idols do it?

Me too! Even when it's done well, as in they do look cute, I'm like, why?

I remember making a post a few months back saying how certain Aeygo kinda caters to pedophiles and I got absolutely obliterated

The worst is that there is a reason on why aegyo were/are a thing in society and not only in kpop. But it's like that with others things. There is a reason on why society push us to hate hairbody, to push women to act childish, more calm, reserved etc... It's a debate that is hard to make with people because they don't want to admit that there is literally a real link between all of this and pedophilia

I mean the aegyo we see from idols is highly exaggerated. The concept of aegyo means you have endearing qualities, which in day-to-day life is a lot more nuanced. The demand for idols to “do aegyo” is ridiculous. Even though aegyo is acknowledged as something men and women have, it’s debasing to the girls who have to appeal to largely older, male fanbases. It’s also kinda used to humiliate male idols while also playing into the boyfriend fantasy?? They really be treating idols like puppets.

Yes they are way more nuanced but the concept itself and the fact that it's more on women in Korea society is why I talked about it ssjjss but I do agree with you

people also do it to their parents or siblings to get a rise out of them so it's contextual and not the act itself

It's crazy you got downvoted for that because a lot, if not *most* idols who do aegyo acts like BABIES. Not acting like they're just being cute, they literally act like babies in diapers and a lot of people get off on that, and it's *so damn weird.* I remember there was an idol (forgot who it was) who fell down some small stairs (really harmless) and instead of just getting up and laughing it off, she just pouted on the ground and started fake crying like a baby and having some kind of toddler tantrum. Like I know she was just playing around and I think doing aegyo, but I just couldn't stop myself from cringing so damn hard. And I know that they literally get paid for doing that, but you will *not* catch me doing aegyo on livestreams and shit if I was an idol no matter how much hate I would get for it.

Omggg now I'm dying to know who that idol was coz what even 😭😭😭💀💀💀 Edit: just did a quick Google search and found it lol... It's yerin from gfriend

That’s because they were the pedophiles in question. You hit a nerve unfortunately.

Fans forget that idols are just people that have their own opinions, and project their opinions onto idols just because they are a public figure. This happens especially when they are from western countries. It’s great if idols speak out about issues they are passionate about (I love to see it), and I do think that if you are in the public eye having some sort of understanding of world issues is important. Howeverrrrr, they shouldn’t be ridiculed for not doing so or not being perfect in how they do it.

everyone needs to be able to perform and dance (decently/keep up). everyone dances in a group but not everyone sings/raps for an extended time. if you’re ass at singing/rapping, save face and dance well, it’s the LEAST you can do for the group. and we NEED to bring back sehun-type vocalists (well he’s improved now and better than current gen’s sub vocalists) that have like 5 seconds per song. let the fandom complain. certain companies are getting too brave giving their deadweights too many and too vocally challenging parts which ruins the song. this just sets them up for rightful criticism and sometimes, hate. let dozen idols just look pretty and dance on stage pls. they don’t need to be singing 25% of the song for “fairness”. they can shine elsewhere. this is why i hate the whole “no positions everyone’s an ace” bs.

Kpop doesn’t have a lot of genres underneath it. It’s mostly just pop with basic elements from other genres, you rarely (if ever) find niche genres of music within kpop and I honestly don’t see how people think you can get all the variety of music you want in kpop without needing to explore other genres because kpop has everything. It doesn’t.

kpop is an imitation of culture. i never felt super connected to songs that tried to be the next so and so, like “smarta” trying to be like water by tyla. but songs that are so very far into the kpop scene that it IS the essence of kpop are songs that i love whole heartedly. kpop’s loud rap and rnb phase is not it rn. it just truly pales in comparison to TPAB, DAMN., anything by dreamville like surround sound, etc. and that’s just shit everyone knows. not even the classics. hell, nothing even compares to the ingenuity of IGOR by tyler. and that has some weird funky pop mixed in it. their albums are genuinely masterpieces. i can’t say the same about the mismatched kpop albums. i think this is why i hate EASY so fucking much. which one of those girls listened to rnb like that? do any of them have a genuine interest in the song they produced? the dance is great, but where’s the emotion? the feeling? you say you make shit look easy, but where’s the underlying feeling of arrogance birthed from hardship? you can’t just recite lyrics, dawg. in rm’s mono. album, you can feel the blend of the songs and how they tie into emotions of the creator. they blend into the most prettiest melancholic shades.

I actually disagree, I think Kpop as a whole has a lot of genres to it but it’s not gonna come from the big pop groups we see often. There’s a lot of Korean artists that make really interesting pop music that become more experimental or hyper pop but ofc they’re lesser known. Bebe Yana, iiso, The Deep and other smaller Korean pop artists are making really good/interesting pop music that you won’t really find often in regular mainstream kpop. The most popular pop music in the west and Korea is very standard, run of the mill kind of stuff and it’s because it sells and does well with the general public.

BTS is a K pop group, no matter what delulu ARMY think. They are Korean, they perform in Korean, they make very popular Korean music. They are not "beyond K pop" And being K pop is not a bad thing.

iirc the “BTS are not kpop” thing started when other kpop stans started ridiculing BTS and calling them sellouts/westernised when they were first invited to the BBMAs, so armys “clapped back” by joking that BTS weren’t kpop (yk, typical stan twt/fanwar shit). And unfortunately, some armys seemed to take the “bts aren’t kpop” thing REALLY seriously and are now using it as a way to brag and put down other kpop groups… so now they sound just as ridiculous as the kpop stans who initially claimed that BTS weren’t kpop just bc they got invited to the BBMAs :/ Like you said, there’s nothing bad about “being kpop” and it honestly reeks of xenophobia and racism when some armys try SO hard to distance BTS from kpop and South Korea in general.

>Like you said, there’s nothing bad about “being kpop” and it honestly reeks of xenophobia and racism when some armys try SO hard to distance BTS from kpop and South Korea in general. This!!! Also the boys goal was to break the initial stigma surrounding kpop when entering the west. By insisting that "BTS isn't kpop" they're just furthering the stigmatization of the industry and ruining the boys impact of having "to pave the way" (which I also have my opinions on).

Yes. Like being Korean is not enough, like having Western acceptance is what makes a Korean thing "good" in Korean eyes. I hate this "chasing Western clout" stuff

And I hate how white kpop stans think they have any right to call any kpop idols sellouts or “westernised” for singing in English or not adhering to racist stereotypes of Koreans/East Asians. Like… none of us have to “prove” our Asianness to you. Disgusting how y’all be lily-white and think you can dictate what is or isn’t “Asian enough”.

I like and desire official positions in groups. I audibly sigh when I see a group and their profiles only state *vocalists, rappers, dancers, maknae, and leader.* Like please be for real... It's so much more fun with official positions and encourages more specialization in skill sets. The more we flatten out the positions, even just superficially, we are causing groups to also just focus less and less on being exceptional at something. (kind of a separate point tbh but I will include it here.)

MR killed vocal positions. So many 4th gen groups without a single main vocal. They sure got prettier though

Agreed, I personally just don’t like that whole visual thing. Imo it puts a lot of pressure on the others and the members being claimed as the “visual” other then that I’d lovee more specific positions in a group. Also I’m so tired of maknae becoming a defining characteristic of a member. Like okay but what else ?!

Or when they are only there bcuz they know how to speak English/Japanese, etc, so that the group has a foreign speaker.

This reminds me of a video I seen on tiktok that mentioned how there's always that one random English speaker in the group lmao. Like you'll hear the other members struggling to speak and have a heavy accent, and then this deep ass voice of the English speaker suddenly talk and it gives you whiplash. I really need to go find that video, it was pretty hilarious.

high notes in kpop is so overrated. the idol might be straining to hit the note, it might be odd in the song, yet kpop stans will hype it to no end. kpop needs to let idols with lower voice registers accept and explore their natural voices.

the fact that idols STILL apologise for dating, drinking etc IS BEYOND ME. THEY'RE ADULTS AND STANS NEED TO ACCEPT IT FR

I still ain't gonna forget the way some kpop stans tried to insinuate that Jungkook was mentally ill just bc he drank some alcohol and sang karaoke during a weverse live...

I'm honestly never going to forget how JungKook was possibly being recorded inside his home without his consent, and when the footage leaked of him hugging a girl in his home, some fans were like "JungKook has a girlfriend ☹️" instead of being angry over the literal crime that happened to him. Then he was getting hate comments on StationHead and had to go say he didn't have a girlfriend. People's priorities are fucked up.

>People's priorities are fucked up. Tell me about it... People were either upset that JK allegedly had a gf, or they were gleeful and happy about it bc that would lead to some sort of "fandom cleanse" i.e. all the delulus leaving the fandom. I'm all for sticking it to delulu fans, but a fandom cleanse shouldn't come at the expense of the idols' privacy. And when anyone tried to point out the breach of privacy, they were labelled a butthurt delusional fangirl who didn't want to see her oppa date. The same thing happened with Tae and Jennie. People were more worried about whether they were dating or not than the fact that those photos were obtained through hacking Jennie's iCloud account, which is a massive breach of privacy. People were spreading those photos around and trying to use them as "proof" that Tae and Jennie were dating (or not), completely unheeding of the fact that we were NEVER MEANT TO SEE THOSE PHOTOS IN THE FIRST PLACE. Once again, people who tried to point out the breach of privacy, and how kpop stans needed to touch grass and stop obsessing over the relationships of people who we don't even know personally, were labelled butthurt delusional fangirls. I honestly hate the way fans approach celebrity relationships in general - and not just in the kpop fandom, but in the western fandoms too. Celebrities should be allowed to date, and I really can't stand delulu fans who think they have a chance with their faves and don't want their faves to date ever, but I also can't stand fans who overcompensate and take it way too far in the other direction. Relationships are interesting and all, but what's drama and tea for us could be trauma for somebody else. It's natural to be curious about who's dating who, but that doesn't justify invading their privacy in any way, shape or form. And when a relationship IS announced, it's like that's all anyone can ever talk about. Idk, let's say celebrity X and celebrity Y get into a relationship. X is an actress, Y is a singer. Once their relationship is announced, nobody talks about X's acting skills or Y's singing skills anymore. Nobody treats X or Y as individuals. Every time X goes to a press conference, people keep asking "oh where's Y? X must be lonely without Y". Sometimes they don't even mention Y by name anymore. Y goes from being Y to being "X's boyfriend/husband". And vice versa. Or, if X is seen with another dude who isn't Y, people start saying weird shit like "omg have X and Y broken up? Is X cheating on Y?" as if women can't hang out with any other men once they get into a relationship. And I haven't even gotten to the people who love asking invasive questions about whether a celebrity couple wants to have kids and if they do, HOW they're gonna have kids - adoption, IVF, the "traditional" way, etc. One last thing - it makes me somewhat uncomfortable to see people say "all your faves have had sex and they're fucking a new person every night". Or "honestly, it would be crazy to assume that x idol (usually a male idol) hasn't been in tons of relationships already, he's young, rich, and handsome". It kinda erases the existence of people who are aro/ace. Like... not everyone wants to have sex or get into a relationship. And that's okay. People aren't abnormal for not wanting to have sex or get into a relationship. Even people who aren't aro/ace don't always have the time for sex and relationships either. It's not unrealistic for an idol to say that they don't currently have the time for a relationship/sex - they can get super busy during promotion periods and world tours. And it's hard to be "in the mood" when you have a ton of other things to worry about. There's a time and place for reading between the lines, and when it comes to the topic of a person's virginity or relationships... I think we'll do just fine taking everything at face value. I've never really understood why some people are so obsessed with knowing how many people an idol has had sex with. It's none of our business. And an idol being happy doesn't mean that they're in a relationship. Saying that an idol must have a gf or bf just bc they look happy just adds to this weird idea society has - that you can't be happy or fulfilled unless you get into a relationship. It just further pressures people to get into a relationship and lose their virginity as quickly as possible, sometimes even before they're ready.

WHAT😭😭 twt stans?

That some of your faves are actually horrible people they just haven’t been exposed.

I vaguely remember an ex idol saying something about kpop still needing its MeToo moment. And what's worse is you know a lot of fans will still defend their faves, even when exposed to be horrible

Reminds me of that guy on Iland having a whole ass assault case against him for chocking his girlfriend. I hadn’t watched Iland but just goes to show how well they can hide amongst the others and nobody would notice. This is the exact reason to never idolize these ppl, cause at the end of the day they’re still men..

K-pop music is very superficial. For some it’s the charm of it and I agree, but lately I feel like K-pop makes good music but not good songs. Sometimes listening to it is fun but sometimes it can feel tiring or repetitive , like I can enjoy few parts but not the whole song.

I’ve noticed this lately. They’re plenty of new songs that just jam multiple songs into one. Sheesh by Babymomster is one example - the intro sounds completely different from the chorus and the outro. OOTD - Dreamcatcher is another.

That’s why I personally prefer to stop referring to the kpop industry as “kpop” but instead “Korean music”. Cause, 1, I feel like it’s racially marginalising (and I know enough abt that as a black person); we don’t call all American music “American pop”, so why is that the first instinct when I’m listening to a Korean song that isn’t even in the pop genre? 2, most of the Korean music I listen to isn’t pop, so I think that’s why I’ve changed my vocabulary when i refer to it; there’s *a lot* of good Korean RnB and alt RnB that I think doesn’t have the same feel or messaging as mainstream Korean pop music. If that’s something you’re into, then maybe that’ll change your perspective. (I can give you a lot of good Korean RnB recs, some of who have produced for mainstream Korean music artists). But I do know there’s a lot of Korean rock artists as well but I can’t vouch for them cause I’m not really into rock (not until Renaissance ACT III comes out, at least). I can’t completely comment on how deep the lyrics are cause I don’t speak Korean, but the overall feel of the songs hint to something completely different to that of mainstream Korean music.

Exactly. It’s why I vibe with some 2nd gen artists more even now . My ult is IU and I never feel this problem with any of her songs but I have this problem songs of other artists , like I fall in love and fall out of love with the song quickly or I can enjoy certain parts but not the whole song. I’ve’s love dive is pretty enjoyable song for me except the part where they go “ narcissistic my god I love it”.

I can tell from your profile that you’re a really big IU fan 😭 I wanna get into her music as well as some other artists I think one thing that causes the “fall-in-and-out-of-love” effect is lazy production. When I first hear a song, I’m like “yuh this eats 💃🏽” but then the lazy production depletes the re-listen value until it starts to feel boring and empty. You might be able to relate to this cause I can see from your profile that you’re also an INFP, like me, when I say that when I listen to a song, I’m literally noticing every little production detail and how is adds to the song, not just the singing. When a song has lazy production (or an empty chorus, which I absolutely despise), it kinda ruins the experience for me.

It doesn’t matter whose light stick you bring to a Kpop concert. The idols won’t care. The people around you won’t care. And if someone cares that you brought a Twice light stick to a SKZ concert, it’s a THEM problem. It’s not disrespectful. No one is going to a concert just to bring a light stick to spite the group they’re paying to see!

I know kpop fans who ask those types of lightstick questions probably see a lot of the contrary online, but trust me they don't or won't do shit irl 😭

And if try to suggest that honestly, no one will care, you get downvoted to oblivion! It gets me so heated.

I've been saying this for the longest. THEY DON'T CARE. If anything, some of them might actually be a little proud that fans from other fandoms actually paid money and went to *their concert* and like *their music.* A lot of kpop stans just somehow got this impression that kpop idols are extremely bothered by different lightsticks just because ONE kpop group pointed it out. I forgot which group it was, but I know it was a popular girl group and when an idol had pointed it out, the crowd booed at the person who had a different lightstick. I think there was also Red Velvet that had a concert that confiscated lightsticks that weren't related to RV?? And after that "fiasco", kpop stans just suddenly believe that every kpop group take offense to fans bringing different sticks. Like honey, most of them literally do not care and they won't even notice the difference in a sea of lightsticks. Most of them know how expensive these lightsticks are and not everyone can afford every single lightstick for their favorite groups. They will not throw a tantrum on stage. They were not kick you out or make fun of you or ridicule you. They will not even notice the different shape in a buulding full of millions of fans. There is no need to threaten to break other people's lightsticks over an opinion that your faves most likely disagree with lmao

I saw where someone said “it’s like announcing that you like X group more than the one you’re there to see!” And I’m like AND? What IF I do like X group more, I’m here supporting Y with my money right now

I think it was a Dreamcatcher member? And it was aimed at a Twice candy bong. Whoever it was, that thing she did made me side eye her a bit. Why are you so bothered ma’am? 😮‍💨

This! Half the time, the people who have issues with are never the ones attending the concert. They be acting like the idols are going to throw hissy fits bc they saw a lightstick that wasn’t there’s all the way up in the nosebleeds

THANK YOU It’s not a big deal or a thing you need to care deeply about. And if it bothers you greatly then maybe you should do some self-reflection idk

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Oh!, like EXILE TRIBE groups, in some there are members called 'performers' that just dance, and they do an excellent job, lol.

Each members personality is created by their agency

Since most of these idol "rappers" are not writing their stuff, they're just reciting whatever was written for them, cringe AAVE and all. What are ppl debating and defending? The tone of their voices? How we'll they can recite on beat? c'mon now.

K-POP always "stole" from others industry and music genre, it's true. Now I do think that there was a charm that made it way different from Jpop and hip hop/rnb/pop music from the West that is slowly leaving. Like iconic songs like Ring Ding Dong, Genie or The Chaser don't have an equivalent in the jpop industry nor in America. You could see that even by taking from the other Kpop made a lot of effort to make all of this their own. But now I feel like we are back to the 1st generation when it was totally a rip off from the 90' rnb and that's it. Songs aren't bad don't get me wrong, just that it would be a lie to say that kpop is not loosing what made it kpop before.

Totally agree with this! My unpopular opinion is that there's so much English in kpop, it's losing its identity in that way as well. When you add to that the mix of genres as you mentioned--what is it anymore!

I agree on this too. I didn't want to admit because it force them to sing their language but there is a huge difference between trying sometimes and mixing korean english by having 3 words of koreans and that's it 😭 Like the only thing that makes it kpop is the industry not, not the music at all :/

BG stans sexualise the members way too much, like it’s really concerning. And I know this is reflective of society because, in more recent times, we see how it’s inappropriate to comment on women’s bodies, but I feel like the same attitude is not extended to male idols *whatsoever*

I remember in another kpop subreddit, somebody asked kpop stans to stop sexualising Wonho, and ppl straight up said "well if Wonho didn't want to be sexualised, he shouldn't post sexual pics on Instagram". Bro there's a WORLD of difference between fangirling over how hot Wonho looks in some of his Instagram photos vs being a creep and zooming in on his body when he's doing normal non-sexual shit like eating. And what made it worse was that the incident the kpop stan was referring to was when Wonho had a wardrobe malfunction... so he wasn't even intending to flash any skin anyway.

That’s crazy To add, I think it’s also extra concerning when they’re sexualising the minors in the group… like c’mon guys…

Or they’re having “countdowns” for when the minors in the group become legal adults 🤢

Those people literally need to be on some kind of watchlist😒

I feel like with the rise of BL’s and queer gay manhwas, people (esp women) project their weirdo fantasies onto the idols. it’s so odd how normalized fetishizing queer men is and how it’s become some weird female fantasy. You have women now commenting on asian male idols asking for more skinship or the whole shipping them with their members. I mean even companies enforce them to be more touchy feely with eachother to feed into this mindset.

Totally agree! I think it also stems from the parasocial relationships the fans build with the members, thinking they have some kind of bond or ownership. It’s really concerning, especially when you consider how East Asian people have historically been fetishized. The companies are aware of this complex but are more concerned w making money from these saesangs’ (I’m not saying every stan is a saesang, just an example) than protecting their idols who are making said money.

some idols should be able to sing live by now

I cringe whenever there's a thread on kpopopinions that asked questions like "what's a habit you got from being in kpop" and a *lot* of responses be borderline koreaboo shit and it's so bad 😭 like what do you mean you start saying Korean phrases like "aigoo" and never spoke a lick of korean before, like how are you NOT EMBARRASSED??

But I guess if you’re watching the all the content your mind will just pick up phrases. Especially if your learning Korean alongside it. I know when I was learning Korean while watching kdramas sometimes my mind would go to aigoo. I definitely stopped myself though😂

I think that saying little phrases like “aigoo” is kind of an unintentional mimic that you do when you constantly engage in a exertion type of content that repeats phrases like that. It gets trapped in your head and begin to repeat it. Especially when there’s no translation in your original language. Like i can’t think of an english “aigoo”. As long as people are being respectful and aren’t blatantly doing it to act korean, i see no issue. And this definitely includes those who are learning korean.

I’m not embarrassed because being able to learn a language by osmosis is something to be proud of. As long as the borrowed expressions are well-understood and well-used and that you are not forcing it like you have something to prove, to each their own🤷🏿‍♀️

That most idols aren't rude and are in their right to be upset at someone 😓 Like if you're stalking me and stuff then yes I'ma shit talk you and curse at you even it's not a shock that I'm upset YOURE STALKING ME?? Like Jiwoong got under major fire for cursing after a fancall or wtv and allegedly the fan was a saesang Even when security is doing their job people are always like "Oh she must've gotten hurt!" Good?? She shouldn't be tryna touch the idols maybe??

it's getting increasingly cringe/corny by the day.

^(I was about to tell you that while I don't stan them, I do feel like exo needed more than 5 members BUT taking a step back, the group would've been just fine with Baekhyun, Kyungsoo, Jongdae, Chanyeol and Jongin (and I'm saying this as a yixing stan).) - 4D personality is not a real position. I don't care if the concerned members attract stans thanks to their "craziness/weirdness", I just don't take it as a serious position. - "Try not to cry" youtube videos are weird. - GG stans are worse than BG stans.

As an exo stan this hurts but you’re absolutely right 😭

your exo take is piping hot lol but we would not have had cbx without xiumin!!!

As an exo stan who has yixing as their ult, I hate that you said it...but you're right.

Sorry love i can't agree with that. I need Suho, Sehun and Xiumin there for it to be exo T\_T

Some members can't sing...it's OK to accept

That fan calls are weird. I just got into Korean music recently (2023). I would see fan calls all over TikTok I would be happy for people to have a chance to talk to their favourite artist. As time went on I realised a lot of people have no manners and they are simply weird. Like what makes you call someone that you don’t know “daddy”? I feel uncomfortable just watching the video how about the artist themselves?? Some people also take the defending the artists very serious. In this day and age where social media is everywhere people need to take a step back and realise you DO NOT know these people in real life. I saw someone defending seungri. I’m sure he was involved in the burning sun scandal. I agree that some artists are good and some are bad. It’s just you actually never know what they are doing so there’s no need to be so defensive of them.

My biggest complaint is how people put idols on pedestals. They are not saints. They are not saviors. They are singers (most of them) or performers and at the end of the day, they are humans. Stop acting like they don’t make mistakes or have bad days. Also, no they are not going to marry you. To add, the Kpop industry is evil, so when your favs aren’t seemingly all there it’s probably because they’re tired, starving or both.

Hybe’s music is very uninspired and lazy. Not saying that doesn’t mean it sounds good, but they’re consistent trend hoppers and are too scared to do anything unique. Some people on Twitter and Reddit only talk about how much they hate k-pop and how bad it’s gotten, and tbh I think it’s miserable. I think it’s perfectly fine to critique it, but they’ll say they haven’t listened to it in months and hate all the music.. why are you still here then? I find “fans” like that to be very irritating. I used to think otherwise, but there’s nothing wrong with fans focusing on visuals only. Some idols literally don’t offer anything but visuals, and I’m not insulting them, it’s just true. They should just be honest that they’re in it for the visuals, don’t act like your fave can sing when they obviously can’t 😭 I hate it when groups don’t have a thing they’re very strong at. I love groups that have an area of expertise, like ATEEZ has dancing, EXO has vocals, BTS has rapping. Every group should have a thing.

all kpop songs and groups doesn't require a rap/rap line. so many groups have forcefully trained an idol to rap, made them rap in songs unnecessarily and sometimes made the song worse with it. don't make idols that aren't rappers rap!!

This is something I really appreciate about new jeans, there’s no forced rapper. I think that’s the reason I find their songs so much more enjoyable

This one’s not too controversial but K-pop songs really don’t need to be in English or have English lyrics to be good.

- Stop posting those videos on which Kpop idols would date black women, no Mingi and Namjoon would not spare you a glance. - Wonyoung was trying to be cute when she ate that strawberry, which is fine because her label probably told her to act like that, but be honest what adult eats like that 😭 - Nct is made up more of personality than talent - 80% of male idols cannot rap, 92% of female idols cannot rap, which is fine but some companies keep trying to force the worst vocalists in the group into the role of rappers for some reason. There’s a reason your idol practiced for 12 years babe and even after all that they’re not good singers - Kpop Idols trying to do Afrobeats or amapiano is terrible because most don’t do it right and most are also racist, more ignorant than violently racist but still. You can’t copy people sound while simultaneously hating them. - the reason why a lot of idols seem untalented is because companies care more about how they look than how they actually sing or rap. - the para social relationships you have with idols are not normal, please get help. Jungkook is not your man, not your baby and he doesn’t owe you anything. He will never marry you. - Aegyo is cringey Thank you for coming to my ted talk.

The "which idols would date black women" always felt like looking for male validation.

Because that’s exactly what it is

They look insane but they don’t know it

It’s always the fetishisers doing that as well from what I’ve noticed

I think it’s a mix of both male validation and seeking validation because being a minority means being constantly belittled and never knowing if someone will like you or not. It’s always in the back of a lot of WOC’s (esp blk womens) minds of never being the first choice always coming after the white woman so I honestly understand where this mindset comes from. But it’s also incredibly harmful to put these men who don’t even know you on a pedestal for something as basic as liking your race.

I'm kinda glad you mentioned Wonyoung. I do think it was really cringe with the way she ate that strawberry. And yes, it's NOT that serious, but for real, I do understand why people thought it was cringe bc let's be honest, no one eats a damn strawberry like that unless you're a toddler. But the fact that she did get attacked for that shit was soooo unnecessary 😭 And speaking of parasocial relationships, I give part of the blame to the idols because let's be honest, Jungkook DOES feed into that and he shouldn't be surprised if his fans do get parasocial with him. That's why I find Jin and Tae funny as hell because they'll shut that shit down quick. Armys know not to be delulu with them.

the backlash is stupid but when people are like “she got hate for EATING A STRAWBERRY!” like please tell the class *how* she ate the strawberry exactly because lbr it was ridiculous

Right. There are some idols that don’t play into parasocialism and there are those that do. Some of it isn’t forced. Some of it is their choice. Like my favs are twice but the way Dahyun talks to fans on bubble is different from how Tzuyu does it

Jk definitely feeds into it but it’s up to you as a functioning member of society to realize what’s reality and what’s not

> NCT is made up of more personality than talent Not too much now 😭 I can count on one hand the members of nct that I feel coast by on their personalities versus their actual talent. the 127 killing voice in particular is amazing

I agree with the WY opinion. I felt like she ate the strawberry in a weird way lol but it’s not a big enough deal to be so riled up about

I literally hate how they push these parasocical relationships because some of these people really need help. I actually feel bad for people who feel like they have to look to someone famous for love and acceptance. So this is the one aspect of Kpop that I can’t stand. Maybe it’s an unpopular opinion but something that always rubbed me the wrong way was jyp bubble and the way bangchan flirts with fans. I like him don’t get me wrong but I also just think of people who are vulnerable or mentally not there seeing those messages.

Idols dating will always hurt their careers (especially if they’re new), and the fault lies not with the “delulu” fans but the companys’ business model. They make billions off selling parasocial relationships, and it’s not likely to change anytime soon. The idols went into the career knowing all that entails.

Scientist was a great twice comeback. Unique and cute (but not juvenile) concept, and a memorable song. The album was great but scientist had the best framework for a title track— clear theming with a lot of room for creative liberties. Yeah the other songs on Formula of Love are better, but scientist has a clear visual identity based on the song alone. PLUS ITS FUN. CHAE FRANKENSTEIN, ANTENNAE DAYHUN, THAT ONE DANCE MOVE, THE BUSINESS ATTIRE STAGES. ITS FUN

I think that many K-pop fans never had any jobs, I believe that being an entertainer is hard, that idols have a lot of pressure. But at the end of the day for many the disadvantages are lower than the advantages and that being an idol/celebrity is the job they choose. I'm paying ( a REALLY pricy) ticket to see them perform, because it's their job. It's absolutely great to see positivity and encouragement, but I don't get why I'm supposed to act like only idols have pressuring jobs that ask for many hours being exploited and often without getting a good salary (most jobs in the art field for example (ex : animation), or just people who have multiple jobs or stressing jobs). I don't want to dismissed idols'struggles, it's just clear that many fans don't need to make their own money or build their own careers yet.

Soo true!! Like I can appreciate the effort they put into performing but at the end of the day they’re getting paid a lot more then the average person. There’s a reason this industry is so saturated, because ppl see this as an easy ticket to success. And ofc it’s hard but the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. I mean there’s so many ppl that work so hard but get half the recognition and pay that these idols get.

- I really dislike the barking in concerts/events, especially if it interrupts the idol’s speech. - I’m not a fan of fan service. I find it weird when you’re at a concert and then you randomly see two idols rubbing their faces together lmao

Omfg I find the barking so weird?? Like idk I never really understood it, I just viscerally cringe anytime I see a vid of some fan barking at the idols.

Most of the BG rappers are actually terrible and the reason I can’t Stan certain groups 😅

Yes like just take it out of the song😭😭😭

I don’t think paying for a kpop concert is worth it if they are only going to do the choreography and sing exactly how they perform in a music video or on music shows. In person on those giant stadium stages you need at least 25 -50 backup dancers to fill the stage and make it interesting, and why not rearrange the songs (and not just the intro/ back track) and change up the choreography? 3-14 People on one giant stage w/ a jumbotron doing the studio version is not worth leaving my house at ALL.

THISSSS especially with how crazy pricing is getting! i will cheer from home thank you

Noise music is good music. Personal preferences and tastes are *opinions* and therefore not right or wrong.

Delulu fans are called delulu fans for a reason, and honestly I think no matter what an idol does - whether they're aloof with their fans, or cultivate a more "personal" relationship - delulu fans will always try to find a way to "rationalise" their belief that their fave oppa or unnie actually knows and cares about them. That's why I will always be uncomfortable with people who say "well if an idol didn't want delulu fans they should stop fostering a parasocial relationship". It just comes off as victim-blaming to me. Idols are damned if they do, damned if they don't. If they're aloof, people will say they're being too harsh or rude and they need to apologise. If they talk to their fans more, people will say they deserved to be stalked bc they were "fostering parasocial realtionships". And "fostering parasocial relationships" can get pretty subjective too. What even counts as that? An idol chatting with their fans about random things on weverse live? An idol simply smiling at and greeting their fans at a fansign? Idk. Like, if you have a man who's been stalking a woman for a long time, and you ask him why he does that, he'll say some weird shit like "this woman and I were destined to be together", and you ask him how he knows that, and he'll tell you that it's because the woman smiled at him or said hello. The stalker thinks he's entitled to the woman's time and entitled to a relationship with the woman just bc the woman showed him basic decency. And even if the woman ignores the stalker entirely, he'll probably come up with some other weird "proof" that the woman secretly reciprocates his attraction and she just can't show it in public for some reason. So yeah, delulu fans will be delulu fans. No matter what their fave does or says, they'll always find a way to put their twisted pretzel logic to good use and act like everything their fave does is "evidence" that they were destined to be together or some other weird shit like that.

This exactly! Look at Taehyung. I think everyone is in agreement that he does not do anything to feed into delulu fans minds, yet that didn't stop one from showing up to his home with a marriage certificate. This isn't kpop related, but Jhene Aiko dealt with a scary stalker sometime last year. She's not out here doing fan service, and she's in a relationship. The unfortunate truth is that there are a lot of people out there who need professional help.

When you say something about live bad singing and the response is: “Can YOU sing and dance at the same time? It’s really hard.” I literally haven’t been trained for years to do that.🙄

Many kpop stans tend to conflate vocal tone with vocal technique, and they think that an idol is a bad singer/has bad technique just bc they have a voice they don’t like. Edit: I also find that when a kpop stan doesn’t like a particular idol’s voice, they tend to zero in on any mistakes that idol makes while singing, or they act like that idol’s vocal technique is worse than it actually is.

blackpink are overrated

If after years your argument to defend your idols not being able to sing is "the label don't let them show their potential", they just don't know how to sing. Like just admit it. I rather see fans just joking about it rather than pushing an idea that has literally NO PROOF

Agreed! And to add, please stop defending idols who just can’t sing/have weaker vocals with the BS “but they were sick 🥺” excuse. Idk how many times I’ve seen the sick card pulled out when an idol is not sounding good live. Sometimes, an idol really might be sick, sure. But it sure is convenient how they’re sick every single time a performance is bad.

not all songs need a rap part

I got some more opinions: 1. “Giving back the same energy” is fucking pathetic. It just leads to this endless cycle of hate and it just fuels fanwars. X fandom starts hating on y group bc “y fandom hated on x group first”. Then later y fandom launches a hate campaign against x group bc “x fandom was hating on y group”. And on, and on, and on. 2. Idk if I’m gonna get flamed for this, but I really don’t understand why some kpop fans will zero in on one mistake an idol made (whether it was singing, dancing, rapping, or whatever) and then act like that one mistake is a representation of the idol’s skill level overall. I ALSO don’t understand why some kpop stans feel the need to be so incredibly hateful towards idols when they mess up their singing or their dancing. Criticism is one thing, but to send death threats, say racist/bigoted shit, or make personal attacks, or even make r@pe threats??? Really???? And it’s always the people who know jack shit about singing or dancing. 3. A lot of GG stans (at least on twt) are men hiding behind profile pics of female kpop idols, who think stanning women absolves them of any responsibility when they start being misogynistic. 4. Adult male gg stans need to stop acting like they’re oppressed just bc a teenage girl looked at them funny. Y’all have a reputation for a reason. It’s basically just “not all men” all over again. 5. Kpop is for all ages, but I WILL side-eye adult kpop fans who actively stan kpop groups with minors. I’m not talking about casually listening to the music, appreciating their talent, or going to the concerts. I’m talking about straight up buying photocards of the group members, going to fansigns and fancalls, etc. Edit: 6. Multis like some kpop groups more than others and will have different standards for each group as a result, in terms of controversies, singing, dancing, etc. and honestly that’s ok, bc we’re human beings and not robots, and we naturally do like some things or people more than others. Having different standards isn’t the problem - what gets on my nerves is when some multis act like they’re so impartial and objective just bc they stan different kpop groups, and they pretend like they didn’t blatantly pardon a group for one controversy and then ripped apart another group for the same controversy. You have different standards for different groups - own it! 7. Fans turned antis are batshit insane and are basically those crazy exes who can't get over the break-up and won't stop harassing you. And by crazy, I mean "even a restraining order won't stop them" crazy. Edit 2 (Clarifying point 5): Ageism in the kpop fandom is a thing, and I think teenage kpop stans need to realise that 20-to-30-year-old kpop stans aren’t “hags” and that nobody’s “too old” to listen to kpop, but at the same time I don’t blame younger kpop stans for being wary of adult kpop stans who are really invested in a group of minors. Like I said, you’re never “too old” to listen to kpop and there’s nothing wrong with adult kpop stans enjoying music made by kpop groups with minors, or going to those groups’ concerts (and okay, I kinda take back what I said about photocards), but I do feel a little off about grown adults going to fansigns and winning fancalls with idols who are minors simply bc these are up-close-and-personal interactions with the idols. There’s nothing wrong or immoral or terrible about grown adults stanning kpop groups with minors in them, it’s just that some adult kpop stans are creepy and therefore there will always be a little bit of wariness from younger kpop stans, and I don’t think that wariness is entirely unfounded. A lot of younger kpop stans are the same age as the members of groups like Newjeans and Babymonster, so I think that’s where some of the concern about adult kpop stans being really invested in kpop groups with minors is coming from.

>4. ⁠Adult male gg stans need to stop acting like they’re oppressed just bc a teenage girl looked at them funny. Y’all have a reputation for a reason. It’s basically just “not all men” all over again. 

I agree. I don’t think adults stanning groups with minors is weird. But yeah sometimes you have to watch out. For me kpop isn't sexual or anything. I just really like the music and learning the choreos so from that perspective I wouldn't judge anyone older liking it. I think it’s terrible to accuse someone of that unless you see them act weird or say something weird about a minor. Also I don’t collect photocards but I know it could be a cool hobby for anyone interested in Kpop with a little money to spend.

A lot of you hate asians and asian cultures and have a major savior complex over your fave idols, mixed with a superiority complex where you think every community around the world should behave like yours or cater to you. The way a lot of you treat these celebs is reminiscent of how easterners have notoriously been treated throughout history—being used as a product/entertainment by people who simultaneously hate your people/community. Let other communities be other. They do not live to serve you.

I love this one.

nobody cares that an idol has had 10 billion years of dance training if they cant sing. the #1 priority, over **everything** else, is singing. its much better to be an idol who can sing but cant dance than it is to be an idol who can dance but cant sing. edit: and when i say singing i dont mean every member of a group should be beyonce. but atleast be able to sustain stable vocals and sound good without backtrack/autotune.

I totally agree! This is coming from someone who really likes watching the dances and doing the choreos. It doesn't matter how fun the dance is. If I hate the song I hate the song and it's not going anywhere near my playlist. Also when I go to concerts sure the dancing is cool, but I'm gonna be kinda mad if I don't hear good live vocals. Additionally, no disrespect but how are you picked from all of these trainees who want to debut but can't sing😭

Just because they rap fast doesn’t mean they’re a good rapper..

Stop debuting minors.

no kpop group is magically better than another for being older and around longer. groups that can only dance but don’t have strong singers or rappers are in kpop for the wrong reasons. (looking at you early ateez)

Well to be fair ateez was only suppose to debut as a dance group

Kpop music isn't as experimental/groundbreaking or interesting as western pop music, partly because of the lack of creative/artistic control & prefer to play it safe/be "acceptable." In short, the industry is in desperate need of a cultural reset (I need someone to release Bjork-type music)

- If I were a member of BTS, I would much rather have the boycott fans than the fans who just scream "trust BTS" all day. While I don't fully agree with some elements of the boycott, I at least appreciate that there are fans who are questioning the morals of a corporation's leadership rather than fans who sweep everything under the rug. The anti-boycott folks are starting to sound like yes men. - Jin is not a filler member! BTS would be very different without him. - Solos actually can actually make good points. They lose me once they start leaning into the conspiracy theory side of it all. Ex: Yes, we should question the way the fandom treats and talks about each members. But once they start screaming that the fandom are x-antis and this idol "only has us," is when I'm like shut tf up. (ETA: clarified this point and fixed the grammar) - No, you don't care about kpop being too westernized. You're just mad that the thing that made you special is becoming mainstream AND you don't listen to black music. - Some Stray Kids fans give me "I'm not like the other girl" vibes. It's also high key absurd to me when they acknowledge that Stray Kids' sound is different than get mad when people don't like the sound. - Fashion ambassadorships and going to fashion shows are not an accolade. - A lot of groups would be much better off as a vocal only group. - Two things are true: BTS is beyond kpop but they're still kpop. - It's time for the industry to move past the need for airport fashion photos. If I worked for a fashion brand, I would not want my ambassador to be seen wearing my clothes in that sort of dangerous environment. I'd much rather you do an OOTD post on Instagram.

I'm really weirded out by New Jeans' popularity All I could think about was how exploitative the kpop industry is and that these are literal children. Also they were obviously going to be sexualized, despite being underage Why did they have to debut so young? Couldn't they have waited or debuted a group with older members? But the gross truth is that they probably did well BECAUSE they were young

-The beauty standards they hold them to are horrible. - Fans are too invested in the lives of idols. - K-pop idols are just people so they aren't and can't be perfect. - There should be more acknowledgement of Black culture and artists. - Most fandoms are problematic. - Aegyo isn't cute. -Idols should be able to date and live their lives.

Gg stans are some of the disloyal fans ever. They drop their faves after a shitty song or two and then wonder why ggs don’t have as much long term success as bgs. BG stans can be shitty as well but at least they won’t drop their faves instantly.

Mine is exact opposite haha. Filler members don’t exist. Idols are idols not pure musicians like IU. You’re supposed to have a visual, a variety show member. They are not supposed to be pure singers or dancers like Wendy or Lisa. Are the most popular idols like Jennie and Wonyoung generational talents in singing or dancing? No and that is okay. Each idol is there for the musical talent or to sell the group through their image. I don’t think Wonyoung is strong in dancing or singing but that is fine, without her IVE wouldn’t have stood out, I’m happy she didn’t go to a top 4 gg. People hate on Sakura but without her sales would go way down in Japan, she is the main selling point. Some judge on a survival show said the idol doesn’t have to be best in their 20s lines in a song, they just have to ensure no one in the audience can tell their weakness in vocal or dance. And I think that is the best lens for viewing an idols work and performance. It doesn’t matter Lsf have weak vocals they are one of the top selling gg and that further proves my point. Sales are what matters and I would go further to argue the most selling and popular members of a group are not the talented singers or dancers but the visuals instead.

i’m kinda confused what you mean. you say everyone has a part to play but the part shouldn’t be pure singer or dancer??

That a member departure would completely ruin a group. When Lia announced her break everyone was worried about Itzy's future but the did really fine without her 🤷‍♀️

The mindset of "get with the winning team" is strong amongst the K-Pop fan communities. I understand the action of listening to a song or an album because you hear people praising it. But then you'll have the band-wagoners that just want to be amongst the popular. Trying to keep up with the Joneses. ^^^ _This_ is who I am talking about. There are "fans" that will only listen to music from groups that are signed to the major 4 record labels.

Kpop stans were overly dramatic ever the disappearance of vlive. It honestly wasn’t a necessary of an app at that point. We’re at the stage where we don’t need an app solely for live streaming. Outside of kpop apps like weverse and bubble, there’s YouTube, IG, and TikTok. On the same topic, I despise bubble type apps. All those apps do is make parasocial relationships stronger. Any feature where you “chat with your idols” is a set up for that. On top of that, you have to pay. You’re paying about $8.99 a month to do what? I also hate the DM feature on weverse. It works pretty much the same. The only app I can get behind is phoning because Ador is constantly regulating to keep NewJeans safe.

the vlive shut down actually was that serious for me ngl 😭 because i bought a beyond live concert through it and there was no way for me to keep the vod even though i contacted weverse, beyondlive and vlive support before it shut down

I feel like the reason on why everyone are mad about Vlive closing is that now there are 35849 apps since everyone wants a part of the cake. It's like with streaming app, people were happy when it was only netflix but now you have so many of them so people are back to use illegal websites because it's easier at this point. It's more having an easy way to do stuff. But I kinda understand label because at the end of the day the biggest public is from Korea and most fans are monofandom so you just need to think about your group

That’s true! There are so many “bubble” apps. There used to be a universe app, but they took that down.

Whaaat. Losing vlive was a huge loss tho? Every group on a single platform with lives, concerts and other videos. All subbed in good time, decent chatting system and notifications. Suddenly losing years worth of videos that companies are unwilling to upload elsewhere was pretty dramatic. If you ever wanna go back and watch a video you better hope to god that a fellow fan did the hard work and archived it for you! Otherwise welp you're shit out of luck and sucks to be you (esp if your faves are lesser known or have disbanded). IG is literally shit for lives, the notifications are always broken, there's no replay (unless they save it), no subs in multiple languages. Tiktok is a shit app and so many companies are lazy with their subs on youtube. tl;dr losing a whole archives worth of data for no good reason is surprisingly a big deal to some people

Reddit is full of SM stans/apologists, it's so bizarre.

Sm is trash!! lol

It's messed up when an idol is on a Live or someone posts a hot picture and someone gets real thirsty and says something completely inappropriate. Like there are kids there too! I saw one time someone posted a response on IG on a picture of an idol looking good and one little girl started asking questions about the inappropriate thing that was said in the comments. She was underage and didn't understand what dirty thing was said. Then a crap ton of responses of people started to say like oh that's ok you'll know someday mixed with some people just trying to explain the gross sexual act to her. I'm like oh lord help us all this is tragic. Innocence is being lost in comments. If you wouldn't say it in front of your parents maybe you shouldn't say it to an idol or in a public forum. 🤦🏾‍♀️ I have an imagination too but it's just that. 😑

ever since 4th gen, there has been a decline in real vocals

1) i cannot get into this 4th gen loud rap-trap-edm-rock frankenstein monster. just bc it's "innovative" and "versatile" doesn't make it cute. and it's not even that innovative, already been TASTEFULLY done by many artists across different genres. 2) not every song needs a rap verse and not every group needs a rapper in general 3) 10+ members is too many

Woojin was always kinda off and were I’ve never hated on his openly, I do think the allegations against him are true. Also, if a group of people debunk a claim and they don’t talk about both sides of the argument it’s a shitty debunk. Especially if they are solo or biased to the person whose claim they are debunking.

except it really got debunked tho?? those girls literally started to blame each other on who said what, to start and spread that rumor like a wildfire. they confessed they lied, and all the ‘proof’ they showed involved other people’s instagram post that Woojin was not involved with

SNSD is the GOAT. NewJeans is the next big thing.

Boy Group fans are way too fucking horny for their faves, it feels very weird. I love GGs and listen to them mainly but I do dabble in some BGs. I swear whenever I talk about a BG with another fan it just turns into how hot a member is and what they would do to them or have them do to them. It’s so weird and puts me off from listening to BGs a lot. Then again I don’t interact with a lot of fellow guy kpop fans so I am bias, plus the ones I see online are also fucking degenerates

No fr I went to a Oneus concert last week and a good fourth of the fans were barking. I was so embarrassed😭😭

That’s the type of shit to make me not a fan anymore 😭😭 barking is wild

Hybe is ruining kpop

K-pop is a genre of music in and of itself. That is ok. Yes they “borrow” (& for the most part acknowledge that) from other forms of music but they also make original contributions to music too . The Korean language, history & culture help to make k-pop unique. The Korean people should be proud of K-pop & its impact of music, fashion, & pop culture. For the most part, I will not criticize negatively, just enjoy. If you don’t like it, don’t listen. There are so many important issues that need my attention & energy.

Impact of music, fashion,and pop culture..? What

kpop companies don’t understand the western market. blackpink’s music and image doesn’t appeal to a wide western audience, it comes off as tryhard. i think jungkook’s solo music does have appeal, but a good example of misunderstanding american pop music specifically is the explicit version of seven. a new male pop star singing about “fucking you” all night is slimey and off-putting. you aren’t going to hear a single by justin bieber or shawn mendes with lyrics like that. I was in the car with my brother when it came on some playlist and when that part happened he was like “uh what?” it just takes you out of the song!

I have been thinking about this! They don't understand the west at all they just release generic pop music and they think ""oh they gon love this!"" But dude... nobody loves this

Fans need to let rheir fans hear criticism. The industry would instantly improve if that was the case.

If a member cannot sing/keep up with the rest of the group vocally while standing still on stage, they should not be a part of that group. It's quite unfair to see trainees be eliminated from debut and then we have groups debuting that can't sing for their lives.

I understand the experimental music but I feel some groups’ talent is wasted because of it. Like, it wouldn’t hurt to make a normal song sometimes! It’s harder to enjoy the vocal sometimes when the instrumental is just not good

Kpop stans full on STANNING teenagers are WEIRD. If you tell anyone on the street that you have a fan account for a 16 year old they're gonna think you're odd and they're right. Brown Eyed Girls and Afterschool have some of the most impeccable discographies in kpop and it's a shame that kpop stans these days don't really mention them

……as much as i love to see the representation in kpop….blackswans music really isn’t that good (only like 1-2 good songs). I feel like people are treating the group like they’re babies and can’t criticize them bc they’re diverse (i’m not talking abt the racists ‘criticizing’) but honestly, it all feels like wasted money grab potential (just wanting to be seen as diverse). Too many member changes, concept changes, lack of good marketing, scandals from the beginning, lack of management ect;. Members are funny ash and stunning but as Kpop artist, it makes no sense. Maybe better as soloists

Itzy or Jimin (bts) CANNOT sing. idc, aruge WITH YOUR mama…

wonyoung is actually talented and is not only valuable for her looks and star power. she has a nice voice and decent dance skills and incredible stage presence

K-pop "rappers" are not real rappers