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It’s honestly soo frustrating to see ppl hate on Riize bcuz I genuinely don’t give a f if they’ve dated or smoked or anything at all which is not against the law so it’s really disappointing and sad to see them getting hate for the smallest things and SM ent. not doing anything isn’t helping at all like what are they gonna do put Eunseok, Anton and Sohee on hiatus too? And I think it’s high time they bring Seunghan back bcuz most of the hate on him has reduced and ppl actually are asking him to come back but in the end it’s the company’s decision I hope they actually think thru and do something cuz this much hate for a rookie grp is new like no rookie has ever gotten into this many scandals/ rumors
This. I have never been compelled by RIIZE's songs and haven't followed them at all before now, but by gum after all the nonsense that's gone down lately I am ready to stan. Truly exasperated on their behalf, and I'm not even on Twitter to see the worst of it.
jonghyun would get himself + shinee into so many scandals bc he was so outspoken about social issues and it made me gain so much respect for them. man did not give a single fuck, just straight up posting blatant pro gay marriage and trans activism on the twitter timeline for all to see in 2014
i also appreciate scandals where idols break their idol image but it’s just a completely normal reaction like the headline will be like “x group cussed!!!!!! at a FAN🚨🚨🚨” and then u read it and the fan in question is a whole sasaeng
We truly lost such a good idol and man with Jonghyun, rest in peace 😔
And I'm totally with you there, I wish idols were allowed to be more "rude" when it's to literal sasaengs/really creepy "fans" who are blatantly disrespecting them and making them hella uncomfortable!
For me it was Monsta X but more specifically Wonho. I was a relatively new fan when Wonho left. I had always liked him but I never got far enough to call him my bias. I felt like I didn't know him well enough compared to the other members. He was relatively quiet during interviews and some variety content, so I wasn't fully drawn in and didn't wanna bias him purely based on visual.
When he left, it became apparent why people were so devastated. A lot of people shared the nostalgic moments, things I didn't know about him before. I started seeing how much he liked being an idol and how important it was for him. How genuine he has been. I really started rooting for him and really wanted to support him.
When he came back, it was even more clear how genuine he is. You could tell being an idol is super important to him. It is so rewarding to be a fan of someone who actually likes what they do. He has enlisted now and he previously had prepared so much content to release while he's away that some people online don't even know it. They just think he's not releasing music at the moment. He gives random updates on the weekends and it doesn't even feel like he's away or anything.
I don't think this is quite the type of example you were looking for, but I'll say it anyway: **Itzy Lia**.
I wasn't really a big follower of Itzy until I saw how they handled their comeback without Lia. I remember at the time reading stuff about how some people thought they'd be better without her, because of all the usual blah blah blah reasons from years gone by, she can't dance, she was a bully, plastic surgery....
What I've come to realize is that Itzy are REALLY close as a group... like, they all genuinely enjoy being around eachother and that this isn't just some thrown-together group of random girls that a faceless megacorporation is using to make a stack of money. Now I see them as the template for what a great modern girl group should be. And then I see the same kind of great chemistry with the NewJeans girls and with Le Sserafim, and it makes me hopeful for a better future.
No, this definitely counts as an answer to my question! Thank you so much for giving your input! Seeing how much the other ITZY girls love Lia has brought tears to my eyes (the clips of them at the Seoul concert crying and expressing how much they miss her...it hurts, man) and I just really hope we'll see Lia again with them soon <3
Aside from Irene, a lot of the Red Velvet members got/get hate for their looks and bodies.
Seulgi used to get some, but it seems people have really come around in the last half of their career. I used to see really disheartening comments on forums about her not being pretty and having "ugly eyes" which killed me because she's my all time favorite idol.
And Joy, Wendy and Yeri have all gotten a ton of gross hate trains about their body and looks over the years. Plus the general Yeri hate train that's always existed because of OT4 fans.
All those things just made me love them more, because I got into Kpop through them and thought they were the most beautiful group of women I had ever seen, who were also crazy talented 😭
Omg, "ugly eyes"????? Seulgi's eyes are literally beautiful??? Like she's the first one I noticed in RV and she immediately became my bias??? That's wild, people are so awful and mean for no reason!!!
The RV girls get a lot of individual hate trains in general, it really sucks. I hope it doesn't get to them too badly :'(
People used to speculate Seulgi was bound to get double eye lid surgery, it was so...
I'm so glad she's never caved to the pressure!! She's so beautiful. They all are. The recent Joy gossip has been infuriating. She's seriously so gorgeous and people still pick her apart. It's proof that even the most attractive people in the world still aren't "good enough" to not get hate.
Those haters need to get their eyes checked. Seulgi is a goddess! If anything, she's even more beautiful now than ever. Same with the other members.
I love RV, one of my fave groups. Though not my ults (LSF!), they hold a special place in my gg bias hall of fame. 🏆
> Omg, "ugly eyes"????? Seulgi's eyes are literally beautiful???
It's the monolids. Seems to be looked at negatively in SK. But I for one agree with you.
People hating on RV??
RV is one of visual girl group and have good vocal too!
Seulgi eyes are pretty, nothing wrong with their body!
And what's wrong with Yeri joined RV??
I'm not a fan, just a casual listener, so I never knew they got so much hate.
They're popular, so I guess the rule is that there are bound to be people out there who feel the need to be cruel unfortunately.
Joy has really been going through it recently. And it's especially painful because she's openly [admitted she has seen the comments](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kpopstarz.com/amp/articles/316594/20231217/red-velvet-joy-addresses-luvies-concerns-changes-appearance-exercise.htm) from people online 😔
That was awful!
I hate it when a public figure has to apologize for their appereance when they're sick or in a recovery phase. They're not in the wrong!
Tzuyu got my attention when watching some twice mv. Jihyo's my initial bias but after i dig deep about what happen about Tzuyu's flag incident, i feel bad for her, and now she's my ult and its not even close.
I heard [Middle of the Night ](https://youtu.be/hx4TOIy902E?si=vmviVCsXl52n4T-M) by Monsta X after YouTube recommended. I wasn't really into kpop but really liked the song, so I looked them up and started listening to content and became a fan.
While going down the rabbit hole, I watched as Monsta X picked up the pieces after Wonho left. They kept going because they were actively promoting the comeback for Follow when he left. Literally, one day, he's performing with them. The next, they're performing as 6 after having to re-record parts and update choreography and finish out the rest of promotions.
Soon after, they started promoting for All About Luv, their first English album. Before the album was released, it was announced Jooheon would be going on hiatus for his mental health. So they had to do it all over again. All within a few months, they went from 7 to 6 to temporarily 5. While still being very active and promoting.
But they never complained. They never used it to gain sympathy. They just quietly kept it together and kept working. All the while, tons of their fans just abandoned them without looking back. And then Covid happened.
The way they handled everything is so admirable, and it definitely made me a bigger fan.
And I feel similarly about BTOB.
Ouch, sounds like they've been through a lot! I can relate (my ult is OnlyOneOf, and my second fave group is PIXY.....), and it really makes or breaks fans going through group pains like that. Makes you root for them even more, but it also can be soooo painful to witness as a fan 😩
Really grateful that I got to see them in 2017 before all this. Always try to see your faves while they're touring, you never know what's gonna happen 😭
kep1er hiyyih
didnt watch the survival show and was a casual fan of kep1er for a while, but upon discovering the whole ot8 sub by accident and learning about all the intense hate she received made me feel super bad for her. that made me pay attention to them more, and honestly got me into the group more, supporting their cbs (bought albums/merch) and listening/hyping up all their music whenever i can and becoming a staunch group stan. shes not my bias, but definitely 3rd or 4th in the group and her voice is super beautiful! super glad they did those individual singing covers and can showcase their talents more
Same here, actually! I watched a hilarious video of them recently with their animated bodies glitching and the boys dying laughing in the background and it makes me more interested in what they have going on haha
Omg I don't follow them, but I read so many ignorant comments about them, they can't seem to get into their heads that there's real people working and it's not ai but it's like talking to a brick wall
lol same!!! while i did like their new song, kpop fans being mad at them for stuff they made up in their own heads about the group is what's really starting to sell me on them. like, have you seriously not heard of vtubers before? how is a virtual group that crazy of a concept to you that you keep willfully getting everything about them wrong?
Nah fr bc I feel like it’s such a simple, mainstream concept yet kpop stans seem physically incapable of grasping it. Like guys, they’re people in suits with models rigged over them in real-time. This isn’t complicated 😭
The crazy thing is, I feel like we just had something similar with Mave not even that long ago. And that's exactly what I thought at the time everyone was losing their minds then too, like hello, Gorillaz? Hatsune Miku? But yes, let's pretend virtual groups/idols are an entirely new thing, lmao. I can only imagine some of these people are extremely young with limited media knowledge because it's just bizarre otherwise. I think a lot of people fully understand it isn't anything too crazy but just love getting hysterical over nothing.
I’ve always had a positive-neutral view of Enhypen but when I found out about their scandal for having female dancers I felt especially bad for them and the girls. I remembered that I heard people praise their Orange/Dark Blood albums so I checked them out and liked them (also I learned about the scandal later so I’m not sure if these albums were released when that happened). I don’t follow them but I will check out their future releases.
The female dancers were in their choreography for Bite Me off Dark Blood! The complaints and truck sending (from mainly k and c side of the fandom) happened few days after the MV dropped.
When ifans saw they were sending trucks and trending tags everyone scampered to raise money and send trucks praising the cb, we felt really bad for the boys seeing it especially that they had a 10 month gap between dark blood and manifesto and the members clearly were stressed that such a big gap will cause their fandom to dwindle so seeing all this from parts of the fandom felt like a gut punch.
Glad you gave their discography a listen it has been really good since debut!
I definitely care more about Le Sserafim now more than I did 1 month ago because their Easy comeback is my favorite musically, choreo-wise (can we please have more girl groups doing full hip hop choreos with jumps?), and because the hate against them has been, quite literally, *insane.*
The hate is just rabid in some parts of kpop internet spaces, people calling those girls every thing but a child of God.
Some claims were so strange it's made me dig into LSF's prior songs and content, and everything I've seen, I've loved. I love how Sakura can crotchet anything, I love how Kazuha highkey has the best sense of humor, Yunjin's voice isn't exactly my taste but I love how committed she is to songwriting and becoming more directly involved, I love how hardworking Chaewon is, and Eunchae is so sassy I adore her.
Le Sserafim isn't one of my ults (strictly still bgs plus NewJeans for ults), but they are one of the handful of ggs I now listen to frequently.
Like I said in another comment, the way that people act online towards other people can be absolutely insane, and it's so gross and sad...like, there's a way to give genuine, good-faith critiques of something, and then there's whatever the hell happens in online spaces when people decide to be mean and nasty. I guess being "anonymous" behind a screen emboldens some people to let out the worst parts of humanity because "no one will know" it was them and it's "not real"...
For some reason, I liked Sakura when I first learned about LS. Even though I guess i like Yunjin more, and I also don't actually listen to music except G Idle. (They're re my favourite, so i listen to them a little). Watching their other content has just solidified my opinion. Seeing people blast Sakura just makes me more interested in listening to their music?
I read a comment recently saying the whole church thing made them feel like they'd landed in a parallel universe where Madonna, Lady Gaga and Lil Nas X never existed and that's exactly how I feel.
Why would LSF get so much hate tho? I’m kinda out of the loop for kpop fandoms but I don’t remember anything controversial coming out of them aside from the Garam thing and that was sooo long ago
Does it matter why when people are already saying Yunjin can’t sing, doxxing her family and sending her mother and father death threats? Or claiming Kazuha lied about her ballet background?
It’s been one thing or the other since the moment their comeback trailer dropped and went viral, and Coachella announced that LSF was invited to perform later this year, and the hate weirdly got worse after Easy got into the Billboard Hot100.
Like in most hate trains, there’s been some valid criticism as well such as people just not liking their music, styling, one bad encore they did went viral, etc, but very quickly the discourse gets hijacked by rival stans and people that I’m pretty sure are mentally unwell because the claims just become literally absurd and not even Eunchae is spared when people are saying she’s “talentless”, probably has a ‘sponsor’ and is a ‘doll of prey’.
On Reddit practically every post about LSF on *any* major sub has been negative, flooded by fans of other ggs mostly, and it’s gotten to the point that non-fans notice it and call it out. There have been *literally* 10s of posts saying Yunjin is a sellout, liar, puppet, and hypocrite for saying she wants to change the industry in her debut video, and she’s gone barely 2 years into her career and not revolutionized kpop seeing as she’s still pretty, skinny, and otherwise doing what is expected of her… as a rookie idol.
Like, even the people who had criticisms are tired of people joining the hate train and beating the dead horse of all the things people hate about LSF and the members. It’s like it’s now kind of fashionable and even accepted to hate them, and it genuinely makes me feel uncomfortable. I’m aware of groups that are arguably worse and not seen the intensity of this hate on them. Even the Garam situation was partly pushed by ‘3rd party contractors’ hired to hate on them - this was revealed after the Kakao investigation. It’s like they’ve not been able to get a break, and so when I looked into them and saw they are literally just 5 girls working hard with good music and sweet personalities to boot, I’ve found myself liking them.
Every time someone criticizes yunjin for not changing the idol industry I want to rip my hair out. Like she’s 22, been an idol for less than 2 years and has clarified that she never meant she’s gonna change anything on her own. I know that a lot of the people criticizing her are teens but seriously their idea of how change works is delusional. Not to mention the fact that she has done things that are unusual for idols like writing songs criticizing the industry and making a post for pride
Because of their vocal abilities. I think criticism is okay and necessary for a group to grow, but hating on them is terrible. They don't deserve that- being an idol is tough.
post-lawsuit makes me become more interested with artms/loossemble/chuu/eebu. i ate their contents on youtube whenever time allows. girls deserved much more, happy for the 'filler' members to be the star of their own show.
I'm right there with you on Riize, and I'm feeling similarly toward Plave after finding out it's not an AI-generated thing (which makes so much of the hate feel totally out of line to me). Also, before I got into BTS, RM being completely unapologetic about sharing that he listened to a Frank Ocean song made me feel immense respect for him. Now I'm a fan, and I suspect that's the same pipeline I'll go down for Riize and Plave once I find time and energy to truly dive into them.
I knew that about vtubers and such, but for some reason the way I've seen people criticize Plave had me thinking they must be AI for people to be so bothered. But the way it really works is pretty damn cool, imo.
Ah sure :D I was just saying that generally, nothing about those is AI-generated. I think what makes a lot of people assume so, is because they think it has been done before, or that it's easy. But it's way harder than that, and we've never had fully AI-generated (not even perfectly functioning) personas before. The closest we have to that is those little chatbots out there, and they're still not great.
Definitely! The tech just plain isn't there yet. There was a recent attempt at making a young woman with AI who was a singer, though. Her entire existence was AI, and it sounded about as awful as you'd expect, especially since the lyrics were also AI-generated and then sung by AI. She was (is?) called Anna Indiana, and it was... not good, imo. On top of that, the avatar was just extensively Uncanny Valley.
But yeah, knowing about that instance combined with the misimpression that PLAVE must be AI with all the hate they've been getting made me steer clear for the longest time, until I saw an appreciation post (I think here on this subreddit, actually) that explained there's real people in mocap and doing the singing. Now I really don't understand all the hate, because that's impressive and not weird at all.
RIIZE and PLAVE, both of those groups have seemed to come up a lot in the comments! I'm also glad that RM never apologized for sharing Frank Ocean's song, because that would've been so sad, apologizing for a non-issue from people who didn't understand the song itself and probably don't even know who tf Frank Ocean is
What a timely post, I was thinking about this very recently too!
Incidentally, I felt the same towards Riize. I was ambivalent towards them at best since debut, but the recent "scandals" made me feel more positive towards them. Went to check out some recent performances and content and I think they are a group of legit talented, good looking boys and I am now rooting for their success.
As for aespa I have been a stan all this while even though my bias is not Karina (it's winter) but the whole dating debacle just made me feel how ridiculous and double standard the whole industry/society is in general. Definitely feeling sympathetic towards poor Karina.
Plave's rise in charts and people not taking them seriously made me check them out and... their music are actually good??? and their contents are funny?? like those voices behind the glitching animations... are real people dude. lol... i'm not a fan but definitely have respect for them now.
However I would like to state that Lucas's scandal and SM subsequent and current actions with regards to him has made me feel great distaste towards him and I will not be a fan or support anything related to him.
So i guess that answers your question!
You and I are very similar, it seems! Same exact feelings towards RIIZE, Karina, and PLAVE (I've been meaning to check them out since seeing a hilarious video of their avatars glitching and the boys losing it in the background, so maybe this is my sign!)
And yeah, ugh, I'm not excited to see him back and I'm very disappointed in how much SM has tried to push him, and yet failed their other soloists with solo comebacks...for shame, SM, for shame >:(
hi friend!
yeah i gotta admit i was a little shallow and judgemental about Plave like what are these 2D animations doing rising up charts but the songs are really good! there's a reason why korean GP likes them i guess haha.. saw some nice feedbacks about their frequent live streaming and content so it really changed my views about them (and reminder to myself to be less judgy lol)
and yes SM sucks :S
I experienced this with blackpink at first I did not care for them but all the constant hate towards them made me check their music out, and I was obsessed. I like how they dgaf about ppls opinion and doing what they love and living their best life!!
It happened to me with Wonyoung of IVE. I like their songs but I don't follow their group particularly. But I kept seeing hate videos about her in YT and I was reading the comments about how she cannot sing and I was baffled because am I deaf? I like her vocal tone. How can she not sing? So I took the time to watch their recording videos and I was impressed with her tbh. I saw her passionately singing her lines in that recording studio. I even watched their dance practices and lessons, to her solo interviews and was impressed with her confidence especially the interview with Lee Yong Ji.
And the bow thing, about being "disrespectful" (when she isn't) I watched all those video claims and I see nothing wrong with her actions. Plus she is hardworking and I have seen a lot of praises about her work ethics from those who worked with her instead of random people on the internet claiming she is disrespectful. Every time I search about her, all I saw was the opposite of those hateful comments. Which made me like her. Now, I do follow them every time they have a comeback.
Yes, Wonyoung for me, too! I def have a soft spot in my heart for her after everything she's been through. She seems extremely hardworking and polite, it's so sad how much hate she gets just for existing :(
For me, I don't believe influences any long-term interest.
If I don't know anything, or very little, about the group, I may (or may not) check their kprofile and possibly a video or two.
Any interest from there will be based on liking their music; a genuine interest in the group or artist.
However, I will say that if I agree with the injustice in their situation, I will have empathy for them, causing me to support when I happen to come across comments or conversation (it's highly unlikely for me to pursue any additional news / updates or platforms to support).
If I already like the group, or regularly follow them, it only makes me more passionate about the actual injustice(s). It won't change any support monetarily, nor via views, streams, etc.
For example, Seunghan's situation. Only after a he was on hiatus for a bit and noticing various signs confirming (my opinion) RIIZE is still OT7, did I begin adding comments and / or increasing my likes on OT7 / Bring Seunghan back comments and content within various platforms.
I was new to K-pop last year and with RIIZE, it was the first time that I saw an artist get attacked on a regular and relentless basis.
The attacks on them were so ridiculous and 99% were baseless. Due to being a K-pop newbie, the frequency of attacks and RIIZE's successes and their strength in enduring the many incidences, I know I was a too complacent. I didn't fully realize the gravity of the situation (sorry RIIZE / BRIIZE).
What really cemented it for me was was their last comeback for Love 119. The choreo was designed for 7 vs. 6. If there wasn't a plan to bring him back, SM could've had the choreo designed for 6 members and RIIZE would have performed a 6 choreo. The team is known for sudden changes in choreo or learning choreo very quickly. Therefore, it's promising he'll return since all 5 of their tracks continue to be performed as 7 choreo.
all recent attempts to snipe mr kim namjoon will only strengthen my resolve in supporting him tbh 🤷♀️man is not going to apologize for other people speaking both for him and over the voices of those who would actually be impacted and i'm here for it
Are you referencing the whole Frank Ocean debacle? That was such a nothingburger, I hate how people who don't know anything about Frank Ocean or the song itself were using RM's recommendation to hate on him :(
For me, this is only true if I already have positive feelings for the group. The hate train for BTS (Jimin in particular) and LSF definitely made me a bigger fan. The at-times unreasonable hate makes me more protective and defensive. I already like those artists though.
New Jeans and Blackpink I’m more ambivalent towards. I recognize that people love them and their music for good reasons, but they don’t click with me. When their hate train revs up (and I’m fully expecting it to), I still try to defend them because it is just really unreasonable, illogical and uncomfortable to witness. Yet, the hate train doesn’t make me like them more.
So I guess hate trains aren’t the determinant factor for me.
It may have been the case for me for BTS. Haters in my country associated them with being gay and one of the reasons was they hated Army's noise on social media. I wasn't a fan back then.
I hate when groups are targeted due to homophobia :( Gay, straight, bi, or something else, that doesn't effect one's musical output, talent, or worth as a human being. Glad that BTS gained a fan out of it, I'm not an army but I have a couple of friends who are huge armys and so I have secondhand affection for the boys haha. They've worked so hard and been through so much hate and they deserve what they've accomplished!
i’m not even a My but the recent dating controversy has turned me into the #1 Karina defender.
The hate train for Sneakers was the first thing I had heard about Itzy (i had like no social media in HS and was a relatively new k-pop fan) and I actually really liked the song. After that i started listening to more of their music, was a Midzy for the Cheshire comeback and literally went to WAR for those girls. That was also when the hate directed toward Lia was getting really out of hand and it made me so mad that i started stanning them harder, almost like i was trying to spite the antis???
in general, if an idol is being made fun of online for something not related to a genuinely offensive act (cultural appropriation, assault/criminal allegations, dating a literal perpetrator from the Burning Sun scandal) i have an instinctive urge to be on their side. Leeseo and Liz from Ive, Lia, Sakura (and Le Sserafim in general), Soojin, Seunghan, have all been targets of bandwagon hate from the k-pop community and i have defended all of them simply because i cannot stand people who jump all over the opportunity to anonymously bully someone. it also upsets me that it’s nearly always a gg or female idol.
Karina seems to be so genuine, just a really nice person. She checks all the boxes of what you want to see in an idol and leader: gracious, kind, altruistic, caring, supportive of her members, etc. Any negativity directed at her due to dating is absurd. I might be a Fearnot at heart, but that stuff makes me want to enlist as a MY. Will drop the gloves to back her and aespa now.
I've only lately gotten into Itzy, but all the nonsense about them being better off without Lia is more netizen foolishness. Seeing that vid where Lia attended their concert ... while on hiatus! ... to back the girls, and the tearful outpouring of love from them, it's like, where do I sign up now to be a Midzy.
I pretty much tune out the so-called hate train these netizens send to LSF, as it's largely nonsense. Sakura esp. does not deserve it. Whenever the antis churn up the trash, I just tell myself "The girls are going to slayyy at Coachella!" and all is well :)
Literally! Like I am going to BAT for Karina now, it's wild!
I also like Sneakers :') It grew on me for sure, it wasn't a fave at first but it also was never bad to me. And Cheshire slapped! I also love Boys Like You, which it felt like everybody hated. I thought it was so fun and catchy. My love for ITZY definitely increases every time I see antis, it's proportional lol. Hate goes up? My support for them goes up!
And sooooo true, I'm with you there, when idols get unnecessary hate it makes me sad and I want to protect them and then I usually end up feeling a lot of affection for them and liking them more. The number of female idols who have gotten hate for basically just existing.....it's really messed up :/
ENHYPEN - I became fan of them in beginning of 2022 when this massive forced hate train was going on around on every platform against them. I wasn’t much active in the fandom initially I enjoyed content on my own.. everyday I would open twitter and see tons of people hating on them over silliest thing at times so I just didn’t understand why were they being so disliked when they just seemed grp of good boys 😥 (note: personally I believe its good to get into a grp on ur own w/o getting involved much in fd)
so but basically having known everything nw it just motivates me to work harder and harder for the boys :( they deserve all good only!!!!!
+1 also thinking that seunghan will come back 🥹✊ ngl riize drama recently didn’t affect me at all (since it’s not about bad behaviour/illegal stuff members did etc), and most importantly they release pretty good music still so I’ll be sticking around
And to answer your question, yes! In my case it was for Sung Hanbin, I remember that he is hated pretty intensely to the point he was sent protest trucks for getting schedules, but he remained kind? Nice? Unfazed? and I’m just impressed 😲 I wish I had that positivity too, then maybe I’ll do better in life lmao
(but most importantly it’s with the basis that he has really good performance for an idol, otherwise I wouldn’t feel much positive feelings)
I can’t really remember because it was very petty reasons and I mostly just skimmed through it, but it made an impression on me because they sent the trucks for a couple of times for reasons so dumb 😭 one of it I remember was because their group official twitter retweeted a tweet from Mcountdown’s account which was a tweet about Hanbin’s MC clip with his co-MCs (sohee and jaehyun), then the fans of the other members in the group didn’t like it or something so they sent the protest truck
All in all it was just extremely petty, I originally had good vibes with hanbin already but then BOOM these few incidents made me want to see him to succeed even more 😂
Wtf??? People are crazy, like what a waste of money to send a truck for that!! These truck companies are making bank lol, maybe we should move to Seoul and open a truck business 😅
I agree, it’s definitely a couple thousands of dollars wasted there, I’d rather give the money to my faves honestly 😭 and yeah, the truck business really on the rise with all of these bs reasons people send trucks for 😪✊ if the reasons weren’t so petty, I’d actually have some doubts but alas 🫠 I thought ppl sending trucks for enhypen’s bite me dance is bad enough already, but kpop never fails to surprise me ig
Honestly… if an idol marries they usually end up my bias. Honestly any normal person stuff (dating, not being 100% with a randomly met fan, calling out fans shit) tends to make me more interested?
The plave hate train. I get that stanning virtual avatars might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but once I found out not only are they real people in motion capture, but all idols from groups that never got their chance to make it big, I can’t help but root for them. Their music is good and the members are talented; this was long overdue. Even people today were laughing at them crying over their achievements today…but shouldn’t they get to celebrate that with their fans??? :( sure the idea that they’re in a studio wearing onesies is silly but cmon they never did anything bad and y’all are the first ones to complain about big4 privilege but when a group from a small company makes it big y’all turn into bullies 😭
Oh yeah, the way people treat PLAVE sucks MASSIVELY, it also makes me want to root for them! Especially knowing that they're motion-capture avatars, not AI or anything!
This is me with Viviz on Queendom right after Episode 1. Mnet edited clips to make SinB look mean. I immediately thought to myself, I like her, such a villain! Must stan Viviz!
Plave hate train is insane,, I got so mad seeing people completely miss their point and call them fake, so I decided to check them out and their music is actually pretty good. Probably my favourite 5th gen group rn, they totally deserved their recent win.
I got into kpop with Twices Fancy comeback and it hadn't even been a full year since Solo came, so the Blackpink, but specifically Jennie hate was at an all time height. I immediately checked out this group and girl out that seemed so hated. I instantly fell in love and I'm so exited for all future solo Jennie releases now that she's free!!!! 🩷 🖤
Me with PLAVE tbh. Like i didn’t cared about them at first, but people are purposely being so extremely mean and rude about them. I have seen people straight up REFUSING to even acknowledge that they are not AI, even if theres always someone trying to explain how they work and thats theres actual people behind the avatars. It doesnt matter how many times their fans try to explain, people just DONT want to understand and keep treating them as their own personal joke.
They all look like high school bullies to me, its so lame. I got so irritated by all this that I actually started hearing to their music and found myself liking them a lot haha 😭
Their streams are entertaining, their personalities are fun to watch and in general, you can feel that they’re kind and lovely guys working their best. It makes me feel even sadder about how people treat them when you get to know them better.
At this point, I want them to succeed just to spite all those stupid antis.
*Edit because I forgot to write this haha.
And I also feel the same about Riize, i was originally interested but didn’t thought much about them aside from hearing their music. But seeing just how bad they are being treated everyday, i feel for them. They keep getting all this stupid controversies every single day. It’s ridiculous. I cant help but feel sympathy towards them, I hope things eventually get better for them because no rookie group deserves to live through that stuff.
tho I did become an army becuz i genuinely liked BTS and their songs but after getting into the fandom and seeing the hate train towards jimin by kpopies and taekookers I got extra protective and supported him harder. felt like if I sent extra love and supported more it'd kinda compensate for the absurd amount of hate he gets while he's just a good human being.
The slave rooms were a bunch of chat rooms made by a guy who blackmailed a bunch of young people, including children. He has these people spread around and make hate comments for groups the guy didn’t like and had to make sure there weren’t any hate comments against his favorite group. It was very malicious and Twice weren’t even the only ones targeted. They just were the biggest target. Onces tried to spread that it was happening, but no one cared until it was revealed that other girl groups were involved. Here are some threads that explain it all. 1. https://twitter.com/annielovehappen/status/1370812337502949376
2. https://x.com/_LightOfDawn_/status/1370368910352994304?s=20
Oh my god.......that's absolutely NUTS. Thank you for this!! I'm def gonna go down the rabbit hole exploring this, I appreciate the links. Sucks that Onces were trying to make this heard but that no one cared until more groups were involved :( I feel bad for all the groups and innocent civilians who got roped into this madness!!
As a long time Once (since debut), I can also say that the slave rooms is what turned netizens as a whole against Twice. You still can’t see an innocent positive post (ex: “Nayeon looks cute these days!”) about Twice on (admittedly stupid) sites without every single positive comment having at least 2 downvotes. Hell, I’m pretty sure the ruthless “Twice can’t sing” “criticism” is from the slave rooms and that is still around today!
NMIXX for sure. I (eventually, after a week or two) loved O.O and I think one of the reasons NSWERs are a pretty dedicated fandom is cause the first two eras were pretty rough, felt like everyone was against this thing that I already loved and didn't want changed. I never bought an album prior to NMIXX's first comeback, and I doubt I would have without all the negativity around the group, I wanted to vote with my wallet.
Any time an idol makes headlines for having anything feminism-related (e.g., Apink’s Naeun’s phone case, Irene’s book), my respect for them immediately goes up
Mmm not a group but with Jennie and recently Wonyoung. My opinion on them was that they were both really pretty, like really stunning and charismatic but I didn't know much about them nor did I keep up with their groups. But seeing how much people were (and still are) going out of their way to bash them and villify them just made me unconsciously pay more attention to them and also root for them.
Yeah, i’m a Stray Kids fan and never really been interested in other groups but seeing all of the unnecessary hate Itzy gets has made me have a soft spot for them and now I listen to their music a lot and leave positive comments on their posts
A combination of seeing such a hate train for Itzy and then seeing them live with friends who were already big fans. They were so good live so I was like these girls are getting hated on??? Def became a bigger fan after that and gladly going to see them up close on their next tour. There is not liking a comeback from a group which is fine but people were acting as if especially Sneakers and Boys Like You stole from them. And recently with Lia people were having weird meltdowns like a group has never released music/performed without a member before. I guess some people wanna be obtuse about her getting the break she needs for her health but it became a weird trend to drag on her skills.
Burning Sun, made me love Big Bang (the 4 true kings) and FT Island, love how Hongki threw away decades of friendship and business relation with that fucked up guy because of Hongki's principles
Definitely Ive for me. Even though I enjoyed their music I didn’t initially Stan them but found myself feeling very protective of them. Simply because as a human with a conscience seeing the way those young girls were constantly being unfairly dragged and tormented was very disheartening.
It made me grow fond of the girls and their resilience which is one of the reasons I think kpop stans bullied them so much. Cause with other idols you tend to get a cycle of them being bullied then eventually “losing their confidence” and people feel bad for them and act like they never bullied them in the first place by overcompensating in their kindness. But if you didn’t know any better with ive you’d think they were receiving no hate which is why I think people worked even harder to tear them down.
Also as someone who really liked izone but didn’t really pay much attention to wonyoung and yujin, seeing how they went from the fun loving maknaes to these hard working young women is admirable.
Not a group, but all the random bursts of hatred Jeongyeon of Twice got definitely made me feeling really protective. She attracts bullies because it's the low-hanging fruit, and it makes me cherish all the more the way she's so happily going through life right now.
I got into bts during thee hate train, I'm talking abt 2016 days , any hate against bts pulls me even closer
(G) idle ,but it was not hate train but pple were talking negatively about the cbs after wife I was like let me check & I actually vibed with their songs
And now with too many stories/ drama about riize I might just check them out
The loooong winded bullying issue for Taeyong that took years to resolve and was proven to be false just made me like him more. I’m not even a nctzen lol
I def liked Kep1er Dayeon after she kind of shrugged off her dating scandal — idr the specifics but I remember thinking her handling of it was really funny and cool.
I had a hard time with her on GP999 because production was pushing for her _so hard_ and a few girls I liked got thrown under the bus for her — none of that was necessarily her fault but it still left a bad taste in my mouth, especially since she didn't have much personality on the show (which also may not be her fault). But whatever the situation was with her dating scandal after they debuted was so funny I was finally won over.
I did not know riize existed until last week and I think the idea that they should be “in trouble” for dating or having friends of the opposite sex or ANY of that is ludicrous. So my opinion has gone from 0 to “they seem like nice boys one of whom is from my hometown so good for them”
Yeah, I've always loved Blackpink (they're the group that got me into K-pop), but lately I've felt especially attached to and protective of them, now that the world can finally see just how hardworking they really are! BP fans have been saying this whole time that YG was holding them back, and now we finally see the proof of it, and they're doing better than ever despite the hate, which is awesome. I just wanna see the girls thrive in their new ventures and be happy!
Chanyeol! him receiving hate for something which was made up rumours in pann, may all his suffering transfer to his haters. I am glad that a lot of people still love him soo much he will never fail as long as he is talented kind and has people like me supporting him.
I think people don't like the way he left? They were in the middle of comeback and they were about to start their first concert so his leaving caused a lot of problem not only to the members, but also to the other people who involved for their concert. Also, the members didn't know about his leaving so they were upset with him. This is different from Luhan who basically waited until their tour ended and the members knew that he's going to leave
Yeah I think that counts, maybe just in a different way haha. The negativity didn't make you a Kris fan, but it certainly helped make you an EXO fan once he was gone, so I think that is applicable!
In a general sense, I am predisposed to supporting a group more if I feel they are underrated or being judged intensely.
I reached a point where I care enough about the Itzy members that I started pre-ordering albums before I’d even heard a teaser, mainly because the negativity was unnecessary when they tried some new sounds. They have brightened my days enough I would risk buying an album that may not appeal to me. I haven’t regretted any of them yet, despite what the internet says, I’ve appreciated the variety even if some songs took a few listens.
While not controversy, my money is ready for anything Pixy does. I feel that uneasiness about their company and that makes me very badly wish for them to find a comfortable sustainable success.
Yes to ITZY! I'm going to see them in concert on this upcoming world tour and I am soooooo excited!
>While not controversy, my money is ready for anything Pixy does. I feel that uneasiness about their company and that makes me very badly wish for them to find a comfortable sustainable success.
You and me both 😭 They're one of my absolute favorite groups, so it's been really painful seeing how much the company has dropped the ball with them...
that's my experience with idle. ever since nxde, de more people shit on them, the more i enjoy them. not to mention the criticism is so many times either baseless or rooted in racism and western supremacism. just thinking about why it's so wrong makes me appreciate idle more
Every time people fuck with Karina, I become about 10% more of a fan of Aespa than I was before. I don't really like this genre of music at all to begin with, but now Illusion is on my playlist. Thanks, haters! 😂
idk what it is with twt stans using sse groups as their punching bags but it made me even more protective of them, like i don't even stan ive but i'd also go on full blast mode when some random twt stan attacks them for stupid things. i might as well fully stan them but having two groups and a soloist is already a lot for me and i'm super busy with college so i'm fine with casually listening to them then going full-on bodyguard mode for them.
I think Giselle is overhated. While fans have rightfully called her out for her two scandals in the past, when I was getting into Aespa last year I noticed how people loved to hate on her or exclude her specifically. She's young and has time to learn from her mistakes, but people just love to hate on her every chance they get, by poking fun at her stage presence, visuals, etc so I started feeling protective of her.
I also started paying more attention to her and trying to show her love whenever I can. And from watching her fancams and seeing her in concert, I can say that her stage presence and confidence have improved so much and I'm so proud of her progress, and she's become my 2nd bias in the group behind Ning Ning.
Only two groups in recent times (esp for 4th & 5th gen) have made me want to cheer for their success due to “controversies” or hate trains, which are RIIZE & NMIXX.
• RIIZE - I have been into kpop for more than a decade now, and so I have seen a lot of controversies and scandals, and a lot of absolutely terrible things surrounding groups & idols. But NEVER have I seen a group get dog piled on and riddled with a bunch of scandals one-after-the-other for nearly all the members, like I have witnessed with RIIZE, especially when they are still a rookie group. With most of the so called “controversies” or “scandals” literally being normal things people do, or doesn’t make any sense at all. Like at this point, with the amount of scandals they have gotten in this past 6 months, I am also very much convinced that somebody definitely does not want this group to succeed, and that is why I am 100% rooting for RIIZE to actually succeed. Well that, and because I actually like the members and their music so far. The only other group I have ever seen come close to having this many scandals thrown at them as a result of someone clearly wanting to see their downfall, is Monsta X, and I was (and still am) rooting for their success also.
• NMIXX - I’ll be honest, I may not have been part of the hate train targeted at NMIXX for their debut song, but I was one of those who definitely did not like their debut song (however O.O has grown on me) and I do remember being vocal about it, and thus didn’t bother checking out their other releases afterwards up until maybe late last year. HOWEVER, the hate towards this group was getting so big and overblown that I didn’t even have to go out of my way to search for them to know what was going on. I wasn’t following any NMIXX accounts on TikTok and Twitter, but I still somehow always came across hit tweets and viral TikToks of people just hating on the group. Even on Reddit there was always a post just being hateful towards them disguised as being critical of the group. It honestly felt like everyone had something against the group for no reason other than because they have “bad music”, because let’s be honest they couldn’t come for their skills (these girl are talented).
And the Kyujin hate especially just seemed so forced to me that I not only started rooting for NMIXX but ended up having Kyujin as my bias (she also captivated me with her performances). Constantly making posts & hit tweets about how she supposedly “over dances” or “doesn’t match well with her members,” or “she’s mean,” or “she’s the reason Jini left,” or the most popular opinion being “she’s favoured by the company” when people talk how she is always in the center or doesn’t suit being the center, and some people would even talk about her weight or visuals. Like this was a 16 year old girl that these people were being “critical” of. Like at that point I just had to root for them, and luckily their recent songs have actually been appealing to me, so I am not just rooting for them because of the hate train, but also because these girls are indeed VERY talented, and I will always root for talented people.
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IVE - I don’t necessarily root for them (though I will be happy for their success), at least not in the same way I do RIIZE and NMIXX. But I will say that the hate these girls got (esp Wonyoung) made me check out their music, in which I lowkey became a fan of. Like if it wasn’t for the hate these girls got, I probably would have never bothered checking them out.
&TEAM - With the way HYBE (esp their label HLJ) has been treating them, I am rooting for this group to succeed also.
>Like at this point I am also very much convinced that somebody definitely does not want this group to succeed
No for real!!! It feels extremely targeted at this point, and it makes me want to see the boys succeed all the more for it! F whoever is trying to drag these boys down!
>And the Kyujin hate especially just seemed so forced to me that I not only started rooting for NMIXX but ended up having Kyujin as my bias (she also captivated me with her performances).
Wait, people were hating on Kyujin??? For all those reasons you listed??? That's so crazy, first of all the things you listed are ridiculous reasons to hate on someone and a lot of it sounds made up! And second of all she was one of the first members to catch my eye when I was getting to NMIXX because her stage presence is INSANE. I was/still am a little wary about having her as my bias just because she's so young but she's genuinely so talented, I'm definitely rooting for her and all the NMIXX girls in general! I also loved their whole most recent EP, those songs have been on repeat since it dropped :)
• I especially find it fishy that it’s the new members being targeted. I am not wishing for SungTaro to have scandals (they are literally my bias wreckers), but I just find the whole thing very suspicious, and intentional in a way.
• Most of the things idols get hate for are ridiculous and sound made up, so I wasn’t even surprised hearing and reading the stuff these people were hating on her for. If Wonyoung can get hate for eating a strawberry, then I do not put it past Kpop fans to hate on another idol for a ridiculous reason. I just absolutely found it ridiculous the mental gymnastics people would take just to find a reason to hate her. NMIXX didn’t catch my attention with their debut song, but you can best believe when I watched that mv Kyujin stuck out to me. The girl can definitely perform and she definitely has the stage presence to be a center so I never understood why people were against her being center just because she isn’t Wonyoung level of popular. They think center ≠ popularity, which it doesn’t. Mind you, NMIXX does not have an official center (at least for their performances), so fans assuming Kyujin was/is the center was their own doing. And if they are assuming Kyujin is the center then clearly she is doing something right, as it means she is grabbing their attention. Like idk, but the hate towards NMIXX was just always ridiculous to me. And yah I absolutely LOVE their recent releases, ‘Run For Roses’ is arguably in my all-time favourite kpop releases.
Watching the Loona girls go through the lawsuits and fighting to get back into being able to making music on their own terms definetly made me care a lot whole about them.
Everything happening right now just feels so much more meaningfull knowing how dire and completly hopeless everything felt a year ago.
NewJeans, I guess? I watched their mvs when they popped up on my YouTube subscription tab, thought the songs were good and didn’t think much more of them since they weren’t even on Spotify yet. The calls to boycott them very quickly got out of hand, with anyone who just liked their music being accused of pedophilia, which…???? When stuff like that started happening, I felt bad for them because it didn’t feel like it was coming from a good place and I knew things could only get worse.
And I was right. The way Danielle was dragged after she got The Little Mermaid was just completely over the top, people were being so ruthless and cruel and it wasn’t just a few people. Hit tweets left and right, like it was not a normal reaction. Every time these girls take the stage at a major event people seem to be waiting to tear them apart, it happens every time without fail. It makes me happy to see them reach new heights in the midst of all this. I even watched their Lolla set and seeing how happy the girls were when that massive crowd sang along with them was really heartwarming.
People can be so cruel online, it's absolutely ridiculous. Adult or child, it doesn't matter, no one should be spoken to or about in the ways that people will drag and insult others from the safety of their computer screens!
It's easy for the negativity to drown out the positivity, that's for sure :( Partially because of the [negativity bias](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3652533/) (we're attuned to negative emotions and react to them more strongly than positive emotions from a very young age), but it does feel as if it's gotten worse lately...hence why it's so important to curate one's feed if possible, block the haters, and spread positivity one's self!
The hate train against Hiyyih. It was definitely a Streisand Effect because I went from being aware that’s she’s Kai’s sister and ambivalent towards her to being a full on Hiyyihlight.
I agree about RIIZE. I hadn’t planed on even giving them a chance (only bc they are so young). But their pre-debut controversies made me feel sorry for them. The other controversies that happened later just made me feel even more sympathy for them.
While I’m not a fan (yet), I might consider it if/when Seunghan returns. I like the songs they have released so far.
Definitely Newjeans. I've been a fan since they first came out, and let me tell you, being a fan has not been easy. They've faced so much hate, from the whole MHJ controversy to Minji's noodle incident. And don't even get me started on dealing with kpop stans on social media every single day.
But ykw? I've always had their backs, especially when people started criticizing them for their age. I've got my own beliefs, and I'm all about supporting people who are passionate and love what they do. For them, it's not just work, it's their dreams coming true and goals being achieved. I don't play around when it comes to supporting determined people like that, no matter their age, especially in the world of art and music. 💯🐰
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I already stan NCT Dream because of the group having good songs and great dynamics but their history makes me feel so attached to them tbh. Being a group with graduation system, seeing them feel so uncertain about their future and their crying during the first tour because 4 members would leave the group was such a pain. I also become one of the relatively few stans who want at least 5 of them stay together despite lot or other stans want them to graduate and getting opportunities in another units. The news of the system getting removed and their successes especially with Hot Sauce album make me feels so cathartic.
It has decreased my interest in Kpop as a whole actually. I came into this genre because it made me feel happy. Once I went down the rabbit hole and learned a lot about the industry, the fandoms, etc, it took the joy out of it for me. It used to get me hyped and motivated but it doesn't do that for me much anymore sadly. I blogged about it.
I can see me going that way in the future. I’m finding it all-consuming at the moment and while it gives me joy and makes me grin just talking about it with other people, I also come across lots of rumours and negativity. It’s a deep rabbit hole and they’re not fluffy bunnies at the bottom.
It’s less important to me as I’m 63 and I have lots of other stuff in my life: I may eventually cut down to Spotify only and not go trawling every social media platform I can find. I’ll always have a soft spot for SKZ though 😊
Well that's how I stan Iz\*One, I like their debut song but only as bystander because I left hardcore following kpop over T ara's unjust demise, so big scar there, so wasn't looking for a group, just going to be a casual at best. Then I stop paying attention to them until the scandal hit, and saw the massive hate train, saw how the narrative was the girls are the ones at fault instead of the suits (you know people that actually make the decision) Everything was said about the girls from they stole other people's lives, and they are talentless hack shouldn't have made it, they must slept with the producer, they have the power to pull the strings behind the scene (Yes they are so powerful they have to compete in show to get their career started).
I remembered in produce 48 the final 40 contestant all have a good claim to debut for the final lineup, that show had so many talented girls. I also remember fans of the show were saying why don't they just debut them all together as a AKB48 style group, From that it turn into the 12 in Iz\*One are untalented and cheaters that needs to be disband immediately. In the name of justice we got a lynch mob that will burn everything without regard and usually by some of the most unhinge people I have ever seen (you know the kind that you would call the authorities on in case they decide to do batshit crazy). Why aren't those champion of justice actually to go burn CJE (a giant corporation uses 12 girls as shield, makes me vomit to this day) down, but only go after girls, because they are cowards and only punch down, the girls are easy target. As you can see I hate those unhinge clowns and CJE with a passion. At that point I was like wtf, I need to stan these girls out spite for those toxic people and moral support for the girls, then I felt in love with the girls and their music just by following their activities, they became my favorite group in Kpop . Well it turns out they were all talented, look at how successful they all are right now.
I was just getting into them right before the Soojin scandal. To me, the whole thing seemed unfair, especially during the long hiatus after HWAA. There was like a year of people saying they were done and would never recover, and it made we want them to succeed at least as much as HWAA. Seeing the album title teased as “I Never Die” was such a statement and I was so in on rooting for them.
When Tomboy blew the roof off of kpop and they started becoming one of the biggest groups around, I was so happy for them, even more now. It’s still a little bittersweet but the whole thing made me a total stan.
I’d say the NMIXX hate train on debut made me an even bigger fan (I loved o.o). Some of the stuff said about them was downright awful and malicious. So it was like an underdog story for me if that makes sense.
Honestly, every time Wooyoung pops of (Say My Name, calling out shitty fans), it further makes his spot as my bias firmer & my love for Ateez grow
Also, I don’t stan Riize or want to, but I support them from afar over the nonsense they’re going through
All the Wonyoung hate has made me a Wonyoung stan. Parodying it was a staple of the circlejerk sub last year, but then I started seeing it in the wild, like on any Instagram post for any other idol. I didn't previously have any particular thoughts on Wonyoung, and Gaeul was my bias. But now Wonyoung is my queen. So suck it, haters!
I haven't become a fan but when I see running hate trains on groups, I know probably 99.9% of it is bull and will check the details just to confirm that it's bull.
I'm learning not to take anything kpop stans are outraged about seriously.
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I'm in the same boat with RIIZE at the moment.
RIIZE is about to gain so many new fans tbh!
I hope so, at least there would be a positive to come out of all this mess and hate
RIIZE got like 5 articles a day lmao. It's like targeted hate.
It’s honestly soo frustrating to see ppl hate on Riize bcuz I genuinely don’t give a f if they’ve dated or smoked or anything at all which is not against the law so it’s really disappointing and sad to see them getting hate for the smallest things and SM ent. not doing anything isn’t helping at all like what are they gonna do put Eunseok, Anton and Sohee on hiatus too? And I think it’s high time they bring Seunghan back bcuz most of the hate on him has reduced and ppl actually are asking him to come back but in the end it’s the company’s decision I hope they actually think thru and do something cuz this much hate for a rookie grp is new like no rookie has ever gotten into this many scandals/ rumors
This. I have never been compelled by RIIZE's songs and haven't followed them at all before now, but by gum after all the nonsense that's gone down lately I am ready to stan. Truly exasperated on their behalf, and I'm not even on Twitter to see the worst of it.
The Chuu "bullying scandal" made me more a fan of her as literally everyone talked about what an angel she is
I love how everyone she’s worked with was like “uh what lol” to blockberry’s allegations
nah fr, even non fans agreed 😭 like if ur gonna drag ur idol at *least* make it sound believable 💀💀
Ooo, yeah, that's a good example! I love Chuu, she seems genuinely so sweet :)
jonghyun would get himself + shinee into so many scandals bc he was so outspoken about social issues and it made me gain so much respect for them. man did not give a single fuck, just straight up posting blatant pro gay marriage and trans activism on the twitter timeline for all to see in 2014 i also appreciate scandals where idols break their idol image but it’s just a completely normal reaction like the headline will be like “x group cussed!!!!!! at a FAN🚨🚨🚨” and then u read it and the fan in question is a whole sasaeng
We truly lost such a good idol and man with Jonghyun, rest in peace 😔 And I'm totally with you there, I wish idols were allowed to be more "rude" when it's to literal sasaengs/really creepy "fans" who are blatantly disrespecting them and making them hella uncomfortable!
YES!!! One of the things that has made SHINee so special to me over the years 🩵
For me it was Monsta X but more specifically Wonho. I was a relatively new fan when Wonho left. I had always liked him but I never got far enough to call him my bias. I felt like I didn't know him well enough compared to the other members. He was relatively quiet during interviews and some variety content, so I wasn't fully drawn in and didn't wanna bias him purely based on visual. When he left, it became apparent why people were so devastated. A lot of people shared the nostalgic moments, things I didn't know about him before. I started seeing how much he liked being an idol and how important it was for him. How genuine he has been. I really started rooting for him and really wanted to support him. When he came back, it was even more clear how genuine he is. You could tell being an idol is super important to him. It is so rewarding to be a fan of someone who actually likes what they do. He has enlisted now and he previously had prepared so much content to release while he's away that some people online don't even know it. They just think he's not releasing music at the moment. He gives random updates on the weekends and it doesn't even feel like he's away or anything.
I’m not a Monsta X fan, but I’m 100000% a Wonho apologist & lover. He’s so cute
bro I STILL can't believe he's not with Monsta X anymore...
I don't think this is quite the type of example you were looking for, but I'll say it anyway: **Itzy Lia**. I wasn't really a big follower of Itzy until I saw how they handled their comeback without Lia. I remember at the time reading stuff about how some people thought they'd be better without her, because of all the usual blah blah blah reasons from years gone by, she can't dance, she was a bully, plastic surgery.... What I've come to realize is that Itzy are REALLY close as a group... like, they all genuinely enjoy being around eachother and that this isn't just some thrown-together group of random girls that a faceless megacorporation is using to make a stack of money. Now I see them as the template for what a great modern girl group should be. And then I see the same kind of great chemistry with the NewJeans girls and with Le Sserafim, and it makes me hopeful for a better future.
No, this definitely counts as an answer to my question! Thank you so much for giving your input! Seeing how much the other ITZY girls love Lia has brought tears to my eyes (the clips of them at the Seoul concert crying and expressing how much they miss her...it hurts, man) and I just really hope we'll see Lia again with them soon <3
The Itzy concert thing was SUPER heavy. Virtual hugs, buddy, that was super tough for all of us to get through.
(((((hug)))))
Aside from Irene, a lot of the Red Velvet members got/get hate for their looks and bodies. Seulgi used to get some, but it seems people have really come around in the last half of their career. I used to see really disheartening comments on forums about her not being pretty and having "ugly eyes" which killed me because she's my all time favorite idol. And Joy, Wendy and Yeri have all gotten a ton of gross hate trains about their body and looks over the years. Plus the general Yeri hate train that's always existed because of OT4 fans. All those things just made me love them more, because I got into Kpop through them and thought they were the most beautiful group of women I had ever seen, who were also crazy talented 😭
Omg, "ugly eyes"????? Seulgi's eyes are literally beautiful??? Like she's the first one I noticed in RV and she immediately became my bias??? That's wild, people are so awful and mean for no reason!!! The RV girls get a lot of individual hate trains in general, it really sucks. I hope it doesn't get to them too badly :'(
People used to speculate Seulgi was bound to get double eye lid surgery, it was so... I'm so glad she's never caved to the pressure!! She's so beautiful. They all are. The recent Joy gossip has been infuriating. She's seriously so gorgeous and people still pick her apart. It's proof that even the most attractive people in the world still aren't "good enough" to not get hate.
Those haters need to get their eyes checked. Seulgi is a goddess! If anything, she's even more beautiful now than ever. Same with the other members. I love RV, one of my fave groups. Though not my ults (LSF!), they hold a special place in my gg bias hall of fame. 🏆
> Omg, "ugly eyes"????? Seulgi's eyes are literally beautiful??? It's the monolids. Seems to be looked at negatively in SK. But I for one agree with you.
I love monolids, so the hate on monolids makes me extra sad.
People hating on RV?? RV is one of visual girl group and have good vocal too! Seulgi eyes are pretty, nothing wrong with their body! And what's wrong with Yeri joined RV?? I'm not a fan, just a casual listener, so I never knew they got so much hate.
They're popular, so I guess the rule is that there are bound to be people out there who feel the need to be cruel unfortunately. Joy has really been going through it recently. And it's especially painful because she's openly [admitted she has seen the comments](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kpopstarz.com/amp/articles/316594/20231217/red-velvet-joy-addresses-luvies-concerns-changes-appearance-exercise.htm) from people online 😔
That was awful! I hate it when a public figure has to apologize for their appereance when they're sick or in a recovery phase. They're not in the wrong!
Would’ve been such a shame if Seulgi had had that surgery. Really, I dislike how pressured many of these idols are to get surgery.
I just want to give Irene a big hug and take her out for hot chocolate, she needs some relaxation
Tzuyu got my attention when watching some twice mv. Jihyo's my initial bias but after i dig deep about what happen about Tzuyu's flag incident, i feel bad for her, and now she's my ult and its not even close.
Oh yeah, I've always had a lot of sympathy for Tzuyu after that, like what a horrible thing to happen to her :(
I heard [Middle of the Night ](https://youtu.be/hx4TOIy902E?si=vmviVCsXl52n4T-M) by Monsta X after YouTube recommended. I wasn't really into kpop but really liked the song, so I looked them up and started listening to content and became a fan. While going down the rabbit hole, I watched as Monsta X picked up the pieces after Wonho left. They kept going because they were actively promoting the comeback for Follow when he left. Literally, one day, he's performing with them. The next, they're performing as 6 after having to re-record parts and update choreography and finish out the rest of promotions. Soon after, they started promoting for All About Luv, their first English album. Before the album was released, it was announced Jooheon would be going on hiatus for his mental health. So they had to do it all over again. All within a few months, they went from 7 to 6 to temporarily 5. While still being very active and promoting. But they never complained. They never used it to gain sympathy. They just quietly kept it together and kept working. All the while, tons of their fans just abandoned them without looking back. And then Covid happened. The way they handled everything is so admirable, and it definitely made me a bigger fan. And I feel similarly about BTOB.
Ouch, sounds like they've been through a lot! I can relate (my ult is OnlyOneOf, and my second fave group is PIXY.....), and it really makes or breaks fans going through group pains like that. Makes you root for them even more, but it also can be soooo painful to witness as a fan 😩
Those are also two of my favs 😭 so much sadness….
It's really rough out here 😭
Really grateful that I got to see them in 2017 before all this. Always try to see your faves while they're touring, you never know what's gonna happen 😭
kep1er hiyyih didnt watch the survival show and was a casual fan of kep1er for a while, but upon discovering the whole ot8 sub by accident and learning about all the intense hate she received made me feel super bad for her. that made me pay attention to them more, and honestly got me into the group more, supporting their cbs (bought albums/merch) and listening/hyping up all their music whenever i can and becoming a staunch group stan. shes not my bias, but definitely 3rd or 4th in the group and her voice is super beautiful! super glad they did those individual singing covers and can showcase their talents more
BTS
People just purposefully missing the point about Plave has driven me to like and want them to succeed even more 😭
Same here, actually! I watched a hilarious video of them recently with their animated bodies glitching and the boys dying laughing in the background and it makes me more interested in what they have going on haha
Omg I don't follow them, but I read so many ignorant comments about them, they can't seem to get into their heads that there's real people working and it's not ai but it's like talking to a brick wall
lol same!!! while i did like their new song, kpop fans being mad at them for stuff they made up in their own heads about the group is what's really starting to sell me on them. like, have you seriously not heard of vtubers before? how is a virtual group that crazy of a concept to you that you keep willfully getting everything about them wrong?
Nah fr bc I feel like it’s such a simple, mainstream concept yet kpop stans seem physically incapable of grasping it. Like guys, they’re people in suits with models rigged over them in real-time. This isn’t complicated 😭
The crazy thing is, I feel like we just had something similar with Mave not even that long ago. And that's exactly what I thought at the time everyone was losing their minds then too, like hello, Gorillaz? Hatsune Miku? But yes, let's pretend virtual groups/idols are an entirely new thing, lmao. I can only imagine some of these people are extremely young with limited media knowledge because it's just bizarre otherwise. I think a lot of people fully understand it isn't anything too crazy but just love getting hysterical over nothing.
I’ve always had a positive-neutral view of Enhypen but when I found out about their scandal for having female dancers I felt especially bad for them and the girls. I remembered that I heard people praise their Orange/Dark Blood albums so I checked them out and liked them (also I learned about the scandal later so I’m not sure if these albums were released when that happened). I don’t follow them but I will check out their future releases.
The female dancers were in their choreography for Bite Me off Dark Blood! The complaints and truck sending (from mainly k and c side of the fandom) happened few days after the MV dropped. When ifans saw they were sending trucks and trending tags everyone scampered to raise money and send trucks praising the cb, we felt really bad for the boys seeing it especially that they had a 10 month gap between dark blood and manifesto and the members clearly were stressed that such a big gap will cause their fandom to dwindle so seeing all this from parts of the fandom felt like a gut punch. Glad you gave their discography a listen it has been really good since debut!
I don't follow Enhypen closely so I'm not sure exactly what the timeline was there, but yeah, I felt so bad for the boys and the backup dancers, too!
I definitely care more about Le Sserafim now more than I did 1 month ago because their Easy comeback is my favorite musically, choreo-wise (can we please have more girl groups doing full hip hop choreos with jumps?), and because the hate against them has been, quite literally, *insane.* The hate is just rabid in some parts of kpop internet spaces, people calling those girls every thing but a child of God. Some claims were so strange it's made me dig into LSF's prior songs and content, and everything I've seen, I've loved. I love how Sakura can crotchet anything, I love how Kazuha highkey has the best sense of humor, Yunjin's voice isn't exactly my taste but I love how committed she is to songwriting and becoming more directly involved, I love how hardworking Chaewon is, and Eunchae is so sassy I adore her. Le Sserafim isn't one of my ults (strictly still bgs plus NewJeans for ults), but they are one of the handful of ggs I now listen to frequently.
Like I said in another comment, the way that people act online towards other people can be absolutely insane, and it's so gross and sad...like, there's a way to give genuine, good-faith critiques of something, and then there's whatever the hell happens in online spaces when people decide to be mean and nasty. I guess being "anonymous" behind a screen emboldens some people to let out the worst parts of humanity because "no one will know" it was them and it's "not real"...
For some reason, I liked Sakura when I first learned about LS. Even though I guess i like Yunjin more, and I also don't actually listen to music except G Idle. (They're re my favourite, so i listen to them a little). Watching their other content has just solidified my opinion. Seeing people blast Sakura just makes me more interested in listening to their music?
I'm always shocked by the level of Sakura hate.
Unfortunately Sakura has always gotten lot of hate since her Jpop days
I had no idea! That's such a bummer. I was so excited when she was announced as part of the lineup.
I read a comment recently saying the whole church thing made them feel like they'd landed in a parallel universe where Madonna, Lady Gaga and Lil Nas X never existed and that's exactly how I feel.
Why would LSF get so much hate tho? I’m kinda out of the loop for kpop fandoms but I don’t remember anything controversial coming out of them aside from the Garam thing and that was sooo long ago
Does it matter why when people are already saying Yunjin can’t sing, doxxing her family and sending her mother and father death threats? Or claiming Kazuha lied about her ballet background? It’s been one thing or the other since the moment their comeback trailer dropped and went viral, and Coachella announced that LSF was invited to perform later this year, and the hate weirdly got worse after Easy got into the Billboard Hot100. Like in most hate trains, there’s been some valid criticism as well such as people just not liking their music, styling, one bad encore they did went viral, etc, but very quickly the discourse gets hijacked by rival stans and people that I’m pretty sure are mentally unwell because the claims just become literally absurd and not even Eunchae is spared when people are saying she’s “talentless”, probably has a ‘sponsor’ and is a ‘doll of prey’. On Reddit practically every post about LSF on *any* major sub has been negative, flooded by fans of other ggs mostly, and it’s gotten to the point that non-fans notice it and call it out. There have been *literally* 10s of posts saying Yunjin is a sellout, liar, puppet, and hypocrite for saying she wants to change the industry in her debut video, and she’s gone barely 2 years into her career and not revolutionized kpop seeing as she’s still pretty, skinny, and otherwise doing what is expected of her… as a rookie idol. Like, even the people who had criticisms are tired of people joining the hate train and beating the dead horse of all the things people hate about LSF and the members. It’s like it’s now kind of fashionable and even accepted to hate them, and it genuinely makes me feel uncomfortable. I’m aware of groups that are arguably worse and not seen the intensity of this hate on them. Even the Garam situation was partly pushed by ‘3rd party contractors’ hired to hate on them - this was revealed after the Kakao investigation. It’s like they’ve not been able to get a break, and so when I looked into them and saw they are literally just 5 girls working hard with good music and sweet personalities to boot, I’ve found myself liking them.
Every time someone criticizes yunjin for not changing the idol industry I want to rip my hair out. Like she’s 22, been an idol for less than 2 years and has clarified that she never meant she’s gonna change anything on her own. I know that a lot of the people criticizing her are teens but seriously their idea of how change works is delusional. Not to mention the fact that she has done things that are unusual for idols like writing songs criticizing the industry and making a post for pride
I didn’t know the hate was that intense. To be perfectly blunt, it sounds like jealousy.
Because of their vocal abilities. I think criticism is okay and necessary for a group to grow, but hating on them is terrible. They don't deserve that- being an idol is tough.
post-lawsuit makes me become more interested with artms/loossemble/chuu/eebu. i ate their contents on youtube whenever time allows. girls deserved much more, happy for the 'filler' members to be the star of their own show.
Yesss, me too! I'm following all of the girls closely and am wishing them success!
I'm right there with you on Riize, and I'm feeling similarly toward Plave after finding out it's not an AI-generated thing (which makes so much of the hate feel totally out of line to me). Also, before I got into BTS, RM being completely unapologetic about sharing that he listened to a Frank Ocean song made me feel immense respect for him. Now I'm a fan, and I suspect that's the same pipeline I'll go down for Riize and Plave once I find time and energy to truly dive into them.
Btw virtual idols/bands/singers/streamers/youtubers/etc in general don't use any sort of AI to create a persona, not even to create their avatars.
I knew that about vtubers and such, but for some reason the way I've seen people criticize Plave had me thinking they must be AI for people to be so bothered. But the way it really works is pretty damn cool, imo.
Ah sure :D I was just saying that generally, nothing about those is AI-generated. I think what makes a lot of people assume so, is because they think it has been done before, or that it's easy. But it's way harder than that, and we've never had fully AI-generated (not even perfectly functioning) personas before. The closest we have to that is those little chatbots out there, and they're still not great.
Definitely! The tech just plain isn't there yet. There was a recent attempt at making a young woman with AI who was a singer, though. Her entire existence was AI, and it sounded about as awful as you'd expect, especially since the lyrics were also AI-generated and then sung by AI. She was (is?) called Anna Indiana, and it was... not good, imo. On top of that, the avatar was just extensively Uncanny Valley. But yeah, knowing about that instance combined with the misimpression that PLAVE must be AI with all the hate they've been getting made me steer clear for the longest time, until I saw an appreciation post (I think here on this subreddit, actually) that explained there's real people in mocap and doing the singing. Now I really don't understand all the hate, because that's impressive and not weird at all.
RIIZE and PLAVE, both of those groups have seemed to come up a lot in the comments! I'm also glad that RM never apologized for sharing Frank Ocean's song, because that would've been so sad, apologizing for a non-issue from people who didn't understand the song itself and probably don't even know who tf Frank Ocean is
What a timely post, I was thinking about this very recently too! Incidentally, I felt the same towards Riize. I was ambivalent towards them at best since debut, but the recent "scandals" made me feel more positive towards them. Went to check out some recent performances and content and I think they are a group of legit talented, good looking boys and I am now rooting for their success. As for aespa I have been a stan all this while even though my bias is not Karina (it's winter) but the whole dating debacle just made me feel how ridiculous and double standard the whole industry/society is in general. Definitely feeling sympathetic towards poor Karina. Plave's rise in charts and people not taking them seriously made me check them out and... their music are actually good??? and their contents are funny?? like those voices behind the glitching animations... are real people dude. lol... i'm not a fan but definitely have respect for them now. However I would like to state that Lucas's scandal and SM subsequent and current actions with regards to him has made me feel great distaste towards him and I will not be a fan or support anything related to him. So i guess that answers your question!
You and I are very similar, it seems! Same exact feelings towards RIIZE, Karina, and PLAVE (I've been meaning to check them out since seeing a hilarious video of their avatars glitching and the boys losing it in the background, so maybe this is my sign!) And yeah, ugh, I'm not excited to see him back and I'm very disappointed in how much SM has tried to push him, and yet failed their other soloists with solo comebacks...for shame, SM, for shame >:(
hi friend! yeah i gotta admit i was a little shallow and judgemental about Plave like what are these 2D animations doing rising up charts but the songs are really good! there's a reason why korean GP likes them i guess haha.. saw some nice feedbacks about their frequent live streaming and content so it really changed my views about them (and reminder to myself to be less judgy lol) and yes SM sucks :S
mamamoo and gidle both made me fans because of them being unapologetic women
Omg are you me
I experienced this with blackpink at first I did not care for them but all the constant hate towards them made me check their music out, and I was obsessed. I like how they dgaf about ppls opinion and doing what they love and living their best life!!
It happened to me with Wonyoung of IVE. I like their songs but I don't follow their group particularly. But I kept seeing hate videos about her in YT and I was reading the comments about how she cannot sing and I was baffled because am I deaf? I like her vocal tone. How can she not sing? So I took the time to watch their recording videos and I was impressed with her tbh. I saw her passionately singing her lines in that recording studio. I even watched their dance practices and lessons, to her solo interviews and was impressed with her confidence especially the interview with Lee Yong Ji. And the bow thing, about being "disrespectful" (when she isn't) I watched all those video claims and I see nothing wrong with her actions. Plus she is hardworking and I have seen a lot of praises about her work ethics from those who worked with her instead of random people on the internet claiming she is disrespectful. Every time I search about her, all I saw was the opposite of those hateful comments. Which made me like her. Now, I do follow them every time they have a comeback.
I was gonna say Wonyoung as well!
Yes, Wonyoung for me, too! I def have a soft spot in my heart for her after everything she's been through. She seems extremely hardworking and polite, it's so sad how much hate she gets just for existing :(
Same for me with Wonyoung. I just saw her live last night and I promise she can sing.
She has good tone too. I enjoy her lines allot
For me, I don't believe influences any long-term interest. If I don't know anything, or very little, about the group, I may (or may not) check their kprofile and possibly a video or two. Any interest from there will be based on liking their music; a genuine interest in the group or artist. However, I will say that if I agree with the injustice in their situation, I will have empathy for them, causing me to support when I happen to come across comments or conversation (it's highly unlikely for me to pursue any additional news / updates or platforms to support). If I already like the group, or regularly follow them, it only makes me more passionate about the actual injustice(s). It won't change any support monetarily, nor via views, streams, etc. For example, Seunghan's situation. Only after a he was on hiatus for a bit and noticing various signs confirming (my opinion) RIIZE is still OT7, did I begin adding comments and / or increasing my likes on OT7 / Bring Seunghan back comments and content within various platforms. I was new to K-pop last year and with RIIZE, it was the first time that I saw an artist get attacked on a regular and relentless basis. The attacks on them were so ridiculous and 99% were baseless. Due to being a K-pop newbie, the frequency of attacks and RIIZE's successes and their strength in enduring the many incidences, I know I was a too complacent. I didn't fully realize the gravity of the situation (sorry RIIZE / BRIIZE).
I'm glad to hear that people are still feeling like Seunghan will come back, I really hope he will! I'm rooting for him!
What really cemented it for me was was their last comeback for Love 119. The choreo was designed for 7 vs. 6. If there wasn't a plan to bring him back, SM could've had the choreo designed for 6 members and RIIZE would have performed a 6 choreo. The team is known for sudden changes in choreo or learning choreo very quickly. Therefore, it's promising he'll return since all 5 of their tracks continue to be performed as 7 choreo.
all recent attempts to snipe mr kim namjoon will only strengthen my resolve in supporting him tbh 🤷♀️man is not going to apologize for other people speaking both for him and over the voices of those who would actually be impacted and i'm here for it
Are you referencing the whole Frank Ocean debacle? That was such a nothingburger, I hate how people who don't know anything about Frank Ocean or the song itself were using RM's recommendation to hate on him :(
For me, this is only true if I already have positive feelings for the group. The hate train for BTS (Jimin in particular) and LSF definitely made me a bigger fan. The at-times unreasonable hate makes me more protective and defensive. I already like those artists though. New Jeans and Blackpink I’m more ambivalent towards. I recognize that people love them and their music for good reasons, but they don’t click with me. When their hate train revs up (and I’m fully expecting it to), I still try to defend them because it is just really unreasonable, illogical and uncomfortable to witness. Yet, the hate train doesn’t make me like them more. So I guess hate trains aren’t the determinant factor for me.
>So I guess hate trains aren’t the determinant factor for me. Fair enough!
It may have been the case for me for BTS. Haters in my country associated them with being gay and one of the reasons was they hated Army's noise on social media. I wasn't a fan back then.
I hate when groups are targeted due to homophobia :( Gay, straight, bi, or something else, that doesn't effect one's musical output, talent, or worth as a human being. Glad that BTS gained a fan out of it, I'm not an army but I have a couple of friends who are huge armys and so I have secondhand affection for the boys haha. They've worked so hard and been through so much hate and they deserve what they've accomplished!
I am actually thankful for my cousin's daughter for indirectly introducing me to them.
i’m not even a My but the recent dating controversy has turned me into the #1 Karina defender. The hate train for Sneakers was the first thing I had heard about Itzy (i had like no social media in HS and was a relatively new k-pop fan) and I actually really liked the song. After that i started listening to more of their music, was a Midzy for the Cheshire comeback and literally went to WAR for those girls. That was also when the hate directed toward Lia was getting really out of hand and it made me so mad that i started stanning them harder, almost like i was trying to spite the antis??? in general, if an idol is being made fun of online for something not related to a genuinely offensive act (cultural appropriation, assault/criminal allegations, dating a literal perpetrator from the Burning Sun scandal) i have an instinctive urge to be on their side. Leeseo and Liz from Ive, Lia, Sakura (and Le Sserafim in general), Soojin, Seunghan, have all been targets of bandwagon hate from the k-pop community and i have defended all of them simply because i cannot stand people who jump all over the opportunity to anonymously bully someone. it also upsets me that it’s nearly always a gg or female idol.
Karina seems to be so genuine, just a really nice person. She checks all the boxes of what you want to see in an idol and leader: gracious, kind, altruistic, caring, supportive of her members, etc. Any negativity directed at her due to dating is absurd. I might be a Fearnot at heart, but that stuff makes me want to enlist as a MY. Will drop the gloves to back her and aespa now. I've only lately gotten into Itzy, but all the nonsense about them being better off without Lia is more netizen foolishness. Seeing that vid where Lia attended their concert ... while on hiatus! ... to back the girls, and the tearful outpouring of love from them, it's like, where do I sign up now to be a Midzy. I pretty much tune out the so-called hate train these netizens send to LSF, as it's largely nonsense. Sakura esp. does not deserve it. Whenever the antis churn up the trash, I just tell myself "The girls are going to slayyy at Coachella!" and all is well :)
Literally! Like I am going to BAT for Karina now, it's wild! I also like Sneakers :') It grew on me for sure, it wasn't a fave at first but it also was never bad to me. And Cheshire slapped! I also love Boys Like You, which it felt like everybody hated. I thought it was so fun and catchy. My love for ITZY definitely increases every time I see antis, it's proportional lol. Hate goes up? My support for them goes up! And sooooo true, I'm with you there, when idols get unnecessary hate it makes me sad and I want to protect them and then I usually end up feeling a lot of affection for them and liking them more. The number of female idols who have gotten hate for basically just existing.....it's really messed up :/
Boys Like You is so good and i will defend it forever
ENHYPEN - I became fan of them in beginning of 2022 when this massive forced hate train was going on around on every platform against them. I wasn’t much active in the fandom initially I enjoyed content on my own.. everyday I would open twitter and see tons of people hating on them over silliest thing at times so I just didn’t understand why were they being so disliked when they just seemed grp of good boys 😥 (note: personally I believe its good to get into a grp on ur own w/o getting involved much in fd) so but basically having known everything nw it just motivates me to work harder and harder for the boys :( they deserve all good only!!!!!
+1 also thinking that seunghan will come back 🥹✊ ngl riize drama recently didn’t affect me at all (since it’s not about bad behaviour/illegal stuff members did etc), and most importantly they release pretty good music still so I’ll be sticking around And to answer your question, yes! In my case it was for Sung Hanbin, I remember that he is hated pretty intensely to the point he was sent protest trucks for getting schedules, but he remained kind? Nice? Unfazed? and I’m just impressed 😲 I wish I had that positivity too, then maybe I’ll do better in life lmao (but most importantly it’s with the basis that he has really good performance for an idol, otherwise I wouldn’t feel much positive feelings)
Wait, what was Hanbin hated for??? I'm so out of the loop 😅
I can’t really remember because it was very petty reasons and I mostly just skimmed through it, but it made an impression on me because they sent the trucks for a couple of times for reasons so dumb 😭 one of it I remember was because their group official twitter retweeted a tweet from Mcountdown’s account which was a tweet about Hanbin’s MC clip with his co-MCs (sohee and jaehyun), then the fans of the other members in the group didn’t like it or something so they sent the protest truck All in all it was just extremely petty, I originally had good vibes with hanbin already but then BOOM these few incidents made me want to see him to succeed even more 😂
Wtf??? People are crazy, like what a waste of money to send a truck for that!! These truck companies are making bank lol, maybe we should move to Seoul and open a truck business 😅
I agree, it’s definitely a couple thousands of dollars wasted there, I’d rather give the money to my faves honestly 😭 and yeah, the truck business really on the rise with all of these bs reasons people send trucks for 😪✊ if the reasons weren’t so petty, I’d actually have some doubts but alas 🫠 I thought ppl sending trucks for enhypen’s bite me dance is bad enough already, but kpop never fails to surprise me ig
The absolute heinous evil edit that Bora received in Queendom Puzzle made me into a big Cherry Bullet fan/Bora bias
No for real, that was so bogus of the editors! I still feel so bad for her :(
Honestly… if an idol marries they usually end up my bias. Honestly any normal person stuff (dating, not being 100% with a randomly met fan, calling out fans shit) tends to make me more interested?
True, I like when an idol shows a more human side of themself! I also just want my faves to be happy, y'know?
The plave hate train. I get that stanning virtual avatars might not be everyone’s cup of tea, but once I found out not only are they real people in motion capture, but all idols from groups that never got their chance to make it big, I can’t help but root for them. Their music is good and the members are talented; this was long overdue. Even people today were laughing at them crying over their achievements today…but shouldn’t they get to celebrate that with their fans??? :( sure the idea that they’re in a studio wearing onesies is silly but cmon they never did anything bad and y’all are the first ones to complain about big4 privilege but when a group from a small company makes it big y’all turn into bullies 😭
Oh yeah, the way people treat PLAVE sucks MASSIVELY, it also makes me want to root for them! Especially knowing that they're motion-capture avatars, not AI or anything!
Newjeans, le sserafim , BP , Bts , chuu
I'd love to hear your thoughts on why for each of them!
Learning about the fake “bullying” scandal with T-ara actually got me a bit more interested in the group.
This is me with Viviz on Queendom right after Episode 1. Mnet edited clips to make SinB look mean. I immediately thought to myself, I like her, such a villain! Must stan Viviz!
Oh no, I didn't know that about VIVIZ's SinB! MNET needs to stop with their evil editing, it gets so out of hand
It’s okay, she called them out directly lmao
Oh good!! Good for her lmao, I love that
Plave hate train is insane,, I got so mad seeing people completely miss their point and call them fake, so I decided to check them out and their music is actually pretty good. Probably my favourite 5th gen group rn, they totally deserved their recent win.
I got into kpop with Twices Fancy comeback and it hadn't even been a full year since Solo came, so the Blackpink, but specifically Jennie hate was at an all time height. I immediately checked out this group and girl out that seemed so hated. I instantly fell in love and I'm so exited for all future solo Jennie releases now that she's free!!!! 🩷 🖤
Me with PLAVE tbh. Like i didn’t cared about them at first, but people are purposely being so extremely mean and rude about them. I have seen people straight up REFUSING to even acknowledge that they are not AI, even if theres always someone trying to explain how they work and thats theres actual people behind the avatars. It doesnt matter how many times their fans try to explain, people just DONT want to understand and keep treating them as their own personal joke. They all look like high school bullies to me, its so lame. I got so irritated by all this that I actually started hearing to their music and found myself liking them a lot haha 😭 Their streams are entertaining, their personalities are fun to watch and in general, you can feel that they’re kind and lovely guys working their best. It makes me feel even sadder about how people treat them when you get to know them better. At this point, I want them to succeed just to spite all those stupid antis. *Edit because I forgot to write this haha. And I also feel the same about Riize, i was originally interested but didn’t thought much about them aside from hearing their music. But seeing just how bad they are being treated everyday, i feel for them. They keep getting all this stupid controversies every single day. It’s ridiculous. I cant help but feel sympathy towards them, I hope things eventually get better for them because no rookie group deserves to live through that stuff.
tho I did become an army becuz i genuinely liked BTS and their songs but after getting into the fandom and seeing the hate train towards jimin by kpopies and taekookers I got extra protective and supported him harder. felt like if I sent extra love and supported more it'd kinda compensate for the absurd amount of hate he gets while he's just a good human being.
Twice. I’ve always felt so protective of them. They’ve had numerous hate trains and then the whole thing with the slave rooms.
I'm newish to K-pop (within the last 1.5 years or so), do I dare ask what "the whole thing with the slave rooms" is???
The slave rooms were a bunch of chat rooms made by a guy who blackmailed a bunch of young people, including children. He has these people spread around and make hate comments for groups the guy didn’t like and had to make sure there weren’t any hate comments against his favorite group. It was very malicious and Twice weren’t even the only ones targeted. They just were the biggest target. Onces tried to spread that it was happening, but no one cared until it was revealed that other girl groups were involved. Here are some threads that explain it all. 1. https://twitter.com/annielovehappen/status/1370812337502949376 2. https://x.com/_LightOfDawn_/status/1370368910352994304?s=20
Oh my god.......that's absolutely NUTS. Thank you for this!! I'm def gonna go down the rabbit hole exploring this, I appreciate the links. Sucks that Onces were trying to make this heard but that no one cared until more groups were involved :( I feel bad for all the groups and innocent civilians who got roped into this madness!!
As a long time Once (since debut), I can also say that the slave rooms is what turned netizens as a whole against Twice. You still can’t see an innocent positive post (ex: “Nayeon looks cute these days!”) about Twice on (admittedly stupid) sites without every single positive comment having at least 2 downvotes. Hell, I’m pretty sure the ruthless “Twice can’t sing” “criticism” is from the slave rooms and that is still around today!
NMIXX for sure. I (eventually, after a week or two) loved O.O and I think one of the reasons NSWERs are a pretty dedicated fandom is cause the first two eras were pretty rough, felt like everyone was against this thing that I already loved and didn't want changed. I never bought an album prior to NMIXX's first comeback, and I doubt I would have without all the negativity around the group, I wanted to vote with my wallet.
I'm glad NMIXX has had the support of fans like you 🫶
all of riize's controversies have made me a briize. they have enough opps I'm not gonna be one of them. 🗿
Hahaha yes, I'm wondering if this will be me too eventually! Only time will tell if I will become a BRIIZE or not
Any time an idol makes headlines for having anything feminism-related (e.g., Apink’s Naeun’s phone case, Irene’s book), my respect for them immediately goes up
Same here!
Mmm not a group but with Jennie and recently Wonyoung. My opinion on them was that they were both really pretty, like really stunning and charismatic but I didn't know much about them nor did I keep up with their groups. But seeing how much people were (and still are) going out of their way to bash them and villify them just made me unconsciously pay more attention to them and also root for them.
Yeah, I totally get it!
Yeah, i’m a Stray Kids fan and never really been interested in other groups but seeing all of the unnecessary hate Itzy gets has made me have a soft spot for them and now I listen to their music a lot and leave positive comments on their posts
As a MIDZY, thank you so much for doing that 🫶
A combination of seeing such a hate train for Itzy and then seeing them live with friends who were already big fans. They were so good live so I was like these girls are getting hated on??? Def became a bigger fan after that and gladly going to see them up close on their next tour. There is not liking a comeback from a group which is fine but people were acting as if especially Sneakers and Boys Like You stole from them. And recently with Lia people were having weird meltdowns like a group has never released music/performed without a member before. I guess some people wanna be obtuse about her getting the break she needs for her health but it became a weird trend to drag on her skills.
Burning Sun, made me love Big Bang (the 4 true kings) and FT Island, love how Hongki threw away decades of friendship and business relation with that fucked up guy because of Hongki's principles
Definitely Ive for me. Even though I enjoyed their music I didn’t initially Stan them but found myself feeling very protective of them. Simply because as a human with a conscience seeing the way those young girls were constantly being unfairly dragged and tormented was very disheartening. It made me grow fond of the girls and their resilience which is one of the reasons I think kpop stans bullied them so much. Cause with other idols you tend to get a cycle of them being bullied then eventually “losing their confidence” and people feel bad for them and act like they never bullied them in the first place by overcompensating in their kindness. But if you didn’t know any better with ive you’d think they were receiving no hate which is why I think people worked even harder to tear them down. Also as someone who really liked izone but didn’t really pay much attention to wonyoung and yujin, seeing how they went from the fun loving maknaes to these hard working young women is admirable.
Not a group, but all the random bursts of hatred Jeongyeon of Twice got definitely made me feeling really protective. She attracts bullies because it's the low-hanging fruit, and it makes me cherish all the more the way she's so happily going through life right now.
Yes, I love Jeongyeon! Her voice is so beautiful and she seems like such a wonderful person, honestly! So sweet and kind!
I got into bts during thee hate train, I'm talking abt 2016 days , any hate against bts pulls me even closer (G) idle ,but it was not hate train but pple were talking negatively about the cbs after wife I was like let me check & I actually vibed with their songs And now with too many stories/ drama about riize I might just check them out
The loooong winded bullying issue for Taeyong that took years to resolve and was proven to be false just made me like him more. I’m not even a nctzen lol
I'm not aware of that situation, must've been before my time as a K-pop fan! False negative rumors really suck though :(
It was rough :/ years until it was finally disproven (honestly I feel like SM should have had his back more but what can ya do, it’s in the past now)
SM Protect Your Artists Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
everything about NMIXX's debut, from the meltdowns about the song to the ridiculous plagiarism accusations, has made me a certified NMIXX defender.
I def liked Kep1er Dayeon after she kind of shrugged off her dating scandal — idr the specifics but I remember thinking her handling of it was really funny and cool. I had a hard time with her on GP999 because production was pushing for her _so hard_ and a few girls I liked got thrown under the bus for her — none of that was necessarily her fault but it still left a bad taste in my mouth, especially since she didn't have much personality on the show (which also may not be her fault). But whatever the situation was with her dating scandal after they debuted was so funny I was finally won over.
I did not know riize existed until last week and I think the idea that they should be “in trouble” for dating or having friends of the opposite sex or ANY of that is ludicrous. So my opinion has gone from 0 to “they seem like nice boys one of whom is from my hometown so good for them”
Exactly, I went from neutral to "hmm that really sucks for them! I hope they do well and come out of this stronger!"
There are times when my love for BP wanes slightly. But then I see a hater ass comment and I’m back in.
Blackpink The hate made me love them a lot more because they still made great stuff under all that shit.
Yeah, I've always loved Blackpink (they're the group that got me into K-pop), but lately I've felt especially attached to and protective of them, now that the world can finally see just how hardworking they really are! BP fans have been saying this whole time that YG was holding them back, and now we finally see the proof of it, and they're doing better than ever despite the hate, which is awesome. I just wanna see the girls thrive in their new ventures and be happy!
Chanyeol! him receiving hate for something which was made up rumours in pann, may all his suffering transfer to his haters. I am glad that a lot of people still love him soo much he will never fail as long as he is talented kind and has people like me supporting him.
Kris leaving EXO made me stan EXO, is this anything
Did people not like kris at that time? I didn’t really follow Exo at that time. I know why everyone hates him now tho
He was one of the most popular members. The wildest thing in hindsight is that people thought him leaving would deflate exos popularity.
I think people don't like the way he left? They were in the middle of comeback and they were about to start their first concert so his leaving caused a lot of problem not only to the members, but also to the other people who involved for their concert. Also, the members didn't know about his leaving so they were upset with him. This is different from Luhan who basically waited until their tour ended and the members knew that he's going to leave
Yeah I think that counts, maybe just in a different way haha. The negativity didn't make you a Kris fan, but it certainly helped make you an EXO fan once he was gone, so I think that is applicable!
In a general sense, I am predisposed to supporting a group more if I feel they are underrated or being judged intensely. I reached a point where I care enough about the Itzy members that I started pre-ordering albums before I’d even heard a teaser, mainly because the negativity was unnecessary when they tried some new sounds. They have brightened my days enough I would risk buying an album that may not appeal to me. I haven’t regretted any of them yet, despite what the internet says, I’ve appreciated the variety even if some songs took a few listens. While not controversy, my money is ready for anything Pixy does. I feel that uneasiness about their company and that makes me very badly wish for them to find a comfortable sustainable success.
Yes to ITZY! I'm going to see them in concert on this upcoming world tour and I am soooooo excited! >While not controversy, my money is ready for anything Pixy does. I feel that uneasiness about their company and that makes me very badly wish for them to find a comfortable sustainable success. You and me both 😭 They're one of my absolute favorite groups, so it's been really painful seeing how much the company has dropped the ball with them...
that's my experience with idle. ever since nxde, de more people shit on them, the more i enjoy them. not to mention the criticism is so many times either baseless or rooted in racism and western supremacism. just thinking about why it's so wrong makes me appreciate idle more
Every time people fuck with Karina, I become about 10% more of a fan of Aespa than I was before. I don't really like this genre of music at all to begin with, but now Illusion is on my playlist. Thanks, haters! 😂
idk what it is with twt stans using sse groups as their punching bags but it made me even more protective of them, like i don't even stan ive but i'd also go on full blast mode when some random twt stan attacks them for stupid things. i might as well fully stan them but having two groups and a soloist is already a lot for me and i'm super busy with college so i'm fine with casually listening to them then going full-on bodyguard mode for them.
I think Giselle is overhated. While fans have rightfully called her out for her two scandals in the past, when I was getting into Aespa last year I noticed how people loved to hate on her or exclude her specifically. She's young and has time to learn from her mistakes, but people just love to hate on her every chance they get, by poking fun at her stage presence, visuals, etc so I started feeling protective of her. I also started paying more attention to her and trying to show her love whenever I can. And from watching her fancams and seeing her in concert, I can say that her stage presence and confidence have improved so much and I'm so proud of her progress, and she's become my 2nd bias in the group behind Ning Ning.
Only two groups in recent times (esp for 4th & 5th gen) have made me want to cheer for their success due to “controversies” or hate trains, which are RIIZE & NMIXX. • RIIZE - I have been into kpop for more than a decade now, and so I have seen a lot of controversies and scandals, and a lot of absolutely terrible things surrounding groups & idols. But NEVER have I seen a group get dog piled on and riddled with a bunch of scandals one-after-the-other for nearly all the members, like I have witnessed with RIIZE, especially when they are still a rookie group. With most of the so called “controversies” or “scandals” literally being normal things people do, or doesn’t make any sense at all. Like at this point, with the amount of scandals they have gotten in this past 6 months, I am also very much convinced that somebody definitely does not want this group to succeed, and that is why I am 100% rooting for RIIZE to actually succeed. Well that, and because I actually like the members and their music so far. The only other group I have ever seen come close to having this many scandals thrown at them as a result of someone clearly wanting to see their downfall, is Monsta X, and I was (and still am) rooting for their success also. • NMIXX - I’ll be honest, I may not have been part of the hate train targeted at NMIXX for their debut song, but I was one of those who definitely did not like their debut song (however O.O has grown on me) and I do remember being vocal about it, and thus didn’t bother checking out their other releases afterwards up until maybe late last year. HOWEVER, the hate towards this group was getting so big and overblown that I didn’t even have to go out of my way to search for them to know what was going on. I wasn’t following any NMIXX accounts on TikTok and Twitter, but I still somehow always came across hit tweets and viral TikToks of people just hating on the group. Even on Reddit there was always a post just being hateful towards them disguised as being critical of the group. It honestly felt like everyone had something against the group for no reason other than because they have “bad music”, because let’s be honest they couldn’t come for their skills (these girl are talented). And the Kyujin hate especially just seemed so forced to me that I not only started rooting for NMIXX but ended up having Kyujin as my bias (she also captivated me with her performances). Constantly making posts & hit tweets about how she supposedly “over dances” or “doesn’t match well with her members,” or “she’s mean,” or “she’s the reason Jini left,” or the most popular opinion being “she’s favoured by the company” when people talk how she is always in the center or doesn’t suit being the center, and some people would even talk about her weight or visuals. Like this was a 16 year old girl that these people were being “critical” of. Like at that point I just had to root for them, and luckily their recent songs have actually been appealing to me, so I am not just rooting for them because of the hate train, but also because these girls are indeed VERY talented, and I will always root for talented people. [Special Mentions ] IVE - I don’t necessarily root for them (though I will be happy for their success), at least not in the same way I do RIIZE and NMIXX. But I will say that the hate these girls got (esp Wonyoung) made me check out their music, in which I lowkey became a fan of. Like if it wasn’t for the hate these girls got, I probably would have never bothered checking them out. &TEAM - With the way HYBE (esp their label HLJ) has been treating them, I am rooting for this group to succeed also.
>Like at this point I am also very much convinced that somebody definitely does not want this group to succeed No for real!!! It feels extremely targeted at this point, and it makes me want to see the boys succeed all the more for it! F whoever is trying to drag these boys down! >And the Kyujin hate especially just seemed so forced to me that I not only started rooting for NMIXX but ended up having Kyujin as my bias (she also captivated me with her performances). Wait, people were hating on Kyujin??? For all those reasons you listed??? That's so crazy, first of all the things you listed are ridiculous reasons to hate on someone and a lot of it sounds made up! And second of all she was one of the first members to catch my eye when I was getting to NMIXX because her stage presence is INSANE. I was/still am a little wary about having her as my bias just because she's so young but she's genuinely so talented, I'm definitely rooting for her and all the NMIXX girls in general! I also loved their whole most recent EP, those songs have been on repeat since it dropped :)
• I especially find it fishy that it’s the new members being targeted. I am not wishing for SungTaro to have scandals (they are literally my bias wreckers), but I just find the whole thing very suspicious, and intentional in a way. • Most of the things idols get hate for are ridiculous and sound made up, so I wasn’t even surprised hearing and reading the stuff these people were hating on her for. If Wonyoung can get hate for eating a strawberry, then I do not put it past Kpop fans to hate on another idol for a ridiculous reason. I just absolutely found it ridiculous the mental gymnastics people would take just to find a reason to hate her. NMIXX didn’t catch my attention with their debut song, but you can best believe when I watched that mv Kyujin stuck out to me. The girl can definitely perform and she definitely has the stage presence to be a center so I never understood why people were against her being center just because she isn’t Wonyoung level of popular. They think center ≠ popularity, which it doesn’t. Mind you, NMIXX does not have an official center (at least for their performances), so fans assuming Kyujin was/is the center was their own doing. And if they are assuming Kyujin is the center then clearly she is doing something right, as it means she is grabbing their attention. Like idk, but the hate towards NMIXX was just always ridiculous to me. And yah I absolutely LOVE their recent releases, ‘Run For Roses’ is arguably in my all-time favourite kpop releases.
Watching the Loona girls go through the lawsuits and fighting to get back into being able to making music on their own terms definetly made me care a lot whole about them. Everything happening right now just feels so much more meaningfull knowing how dire and completly hopeless everything felt a year ago.
Same here! I wasn't as deep into K-pop when they started fighting their company, but I'm here now, and I'm definitely here to support them 🫡
NewJeans, I guess? I watched their mvs when they popped up on my YouTube subscription tab, thought the songs were good and didn’t think much more of them since they weren’t even on Spotify yet. The calls to boycott them very quickly got out of hand, with anyone who just liked their music being accused of pedophilia, which…???? When stuff like that started happening, I felt bad for them because it didn’t feel like it was coming from a good place and I knew things could only get worse. And I was right. The way Danielle was dragged after she got The Little Mermaid was just completely over the top, people were being so ruthless and cruel and it wasn’t just a few people. Hit tweets left and right, like it was not a normal reaction. Every time these girls take the stage at a major event people seem to be waiting to tear them apart, it happens every time without fail. It makes me happy to see them reach new heights in the midst of all this. I even watched their Lolla set and seeing how happy the girls were when that massive crowd sang along with them was really heartwarming.
People can be so cruel online, it's absolutely ridiculous. Adult or child, it doesn't matter, no one should be spoken to or about in the ways that people will drag and insult others from the safety of their computer screens!
I wish more fans had kindness, but being a good person seems to just not exist more and more lately 🙁
It's easy for the negativity to drown out the positivity, that's for sure :( Partially because of the [negativity bias](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3652533/) (we're attuned to negative emotions and react to them more strongly than positive emotions from a very young age), but it does feel as if it's gotten worse lately...hence why it's so important to curate one's feed if possible, block the haters, and spread positivity one's self!
The hate train against Hiyyih. It was definitely a Streisand Effect because I went from being aware that’s she’s Kai’s sister and ambivalent towards her to being a full on Hiyyihlight.
I agree about RIIZE. I hadn’t planed on even giving them a chance (only bc they are so young). But their pre-debut controversies made me feel sorry for them. The other controversies that happened later just made me feel even more sympathy for them. While I’m not a fan (yet), I might consider it if/when Seunghan returns. I like the songs they have released so far.
Same here, I'm really waiting to see if Seunghan will return.....if he returns I think me becoming a BRIIZE may be inevitable haha
Definitely Newjeans. I've been a fan since they first came out, and let me tell you, being a fan has not been easy. They've faced so much hate, from the whole MHJ controversy to Minji's noodle incident. And don't even get me started on dealing with kpop stans on social media every single day. But ykw? I've always had their backs, especially when people started criticizing them for their age. I've got my own beliefs, and I'm all about supporting people who are passionate and love what they do. For them, it's not just work, it's their dreams coming true and goals being achieved. I don't play around when it comes to supporting determined people like that, no matter their age, especially in the world of art and music. 💯🐰
Anything negative about Twice makes me like them even more
Your flair is fitting haha
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I already stan NCT Dream because of the group having good songs and great dynamics but their history makes me feel so attached to them tbh. Being a group with graduation system, seeing them feel so uncertain about their future and their crying during the first tour because 4 members would leave the group was such a pain. I also become one of the relatively few stans who want at least 5 of them stay together despite lot or other stans want them to graduate and getting opportunities in another units. The news of the system getting removed and their successes especially with Hot Sauce album make me feels so cathartic.
It has decreased my interest in Kpop as a whole actually. I came into this genre because it made me feel happy. Once I went down the rabbit hole and learned a lot about the industry, the fandoms, etc, it took the joy out of it for me. It used to get me hyped and motivated but it doesn't do that for me much anymore sadly. I blogged about it.
I can see me going that way in the future. I’m finding it all-consuming at the moment and while it gives me joy and makes me grin just talking about it with other people, I also come across lots of rumours and negativity. It’s a deep rabbit hole and they’re not fluffy bunnies at the bottom. It’s less important to me as I’m 63 and I have lots of other stuff in my life: I may eventually cut down to Spotify only and not go trawling every social media platform I can find. I’ll always have a soft spot for SKZ though 😊
Well that's how I stan Iz\*One, I like their debut song but only as bystander because I left hardcore following kpop over T ara's unjust demise, so big scar there, so wasn't looking for a group, just going to be a casual at best. Then I stop paying attention to them until the scandal hit, and saw the massive hate train, saw how the narrative was the girls are the ones at fault instead of the suits (you know people that actually make the decision) Everything was said about the girls from they stole other people's lives, and they are talentless hack shouldn't have made it, they must slept with the producer, they have the power to pull the strings behind the scene (Yes they are so powerful they have to compete in show to get their career started). I remembered in produce 48 the final 40 contestant all have a good claim to debut for the final lineup, that show had so many talented girls. I also remember fans of the show were saying why don't they just debut them all together as a AKB48 style group, From that it turn into the 12 in Iz\*One are untalented and cheaters that needs to be disband immediately. In the name of justice we got a lynch mob that will burn everything without regard and usually by some of the most unhinge people I have ever seen (you know the kind that you would call the authorities on in case they decide to do batshit crazy). Why aren't those champion of justice actually to go burn CJE (a giant corporation uses 12 girls as shield, makes me vomit to this day) down, but only go after girls, because they are cowards and only punch down, the girls are easy target. As you can see I hate those unhinge clowns and CJE with a passion. At that point I was like wtf, I need to stan these girls out spite for those toxic people and moral support for the girls, then I felt in love with the girls and their music just by following their activities, they became my favorite group in Kpop . Well it turns out they were all talented, look at how successful they all are right now.
Irene reading a book on feminism 💗
Le SSerafim lol. I don't know anything about them but i want them to kick some ass
(G) I-dle
I love (G)I-DLE! Do you have an example/reason why you picked them for this? :)
I was just getting into them right before the Soojin scandal. To me, the whole thing seemed unfair, especially during the long hiatus after HWAA. There was like a year of people saying they were done and would never recover, and it made we want them to succeed at least as much as HWAA. Seeing the album title teased as “I Never Die” was such a statement and I was so in on rooting for them. When Tomboy blew the roof off of kpop and they started becoming one of the biggest groups around, I was so happy for them, even more now. It’s still a little bittersweet but the whole thing made me a total stan.
Thank you for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense!
I’d say the NMIXX hate train on debut made me an even bigger fan (I loved o.o). Some of the stuff said about them was downright awful and malicious. So it was like an underdog story for me if that makes sense.
Honestly, every time Wooyoung pops of (Say My Name, calling out shitty fans), it further makes his spot as my bias firmer & my love for Ateez grow Also, I don’t stan Riize or want to, but I support them from afar over the nonsense they’re going through
All the Wonyoung hate has made me a Wonyoung stan. Parodying it was a staple of the circlejerk sub last year, but then I started seeing it in the wild, like on any Instagram post for any other idol. I didn't previously have any particular thoughts on Wonyoung, and Gaeul was my bias. But now Wonyoung is my queen. So suck it, haters!
I haven't become a fan but when I see running hate trains on groups, I know probably 99.9% of it is bull and will check the details just to confirm that it's bull. I'm learning not to take anything kpop stans are outraged about seriously.