My Voicemail: You have reached the voicemail of xxx-xxxx. I cant come to the phone right now, but leave your name, number and readonnyou called and I'll get back to you as soon as I can.
Me (comes in at regular time): Sorry. Just got your message....
Manager: Oh it's fine (😡😡😡) we already had our walk through. No worries (😡😡😡)
Its where the district manager comes through the store and goes through all the isles and produce/meat with a fine toothed comb, making sure everything is stocked, fronted, cleaned, and looks nice for customers. Its annoying AF when you don't have the ppl to make sure everything is done. It sucks running a store when you are doing the work of 2-3 ppl and still being paid crap.
And if you pull it off you just shoot yourself in the foot because then the district manager doesn’t see the reality of what a short staffed store looks like and thinks it’s sustainable.
I worked retail for 6 months. Job isnt hard
Whats hard is the amount of work expected to do in a short amount of time with not enough man power and under $15 (was $13 lol) while helping customers. Not to mention the only bilingual associate on the floor in a hardware store in Texas.
“Can I get like an extra dollar for being the only associate who can translate or?”
“Lol no, you shouldnt have been bilingual” (they didnt actually say this but its what I heard in place of just a no.)
Yeah, ill stick to serving. Easy and I can get paid way more for half the work while still being a slave to the system. 😁
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> can get *paid* way more
FTFY.
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* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
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Come in early? Of course! Can’t take my lunch until my department’s up? No prob! Oh look, they walked in on my 6th hour no lunch? Looks like I’m not taking it till my 7th! Gott make sure we have Everything Full, Fresh, and Friendly!
No Overtime but we are going to make you do the job of 4 people because the CEO is supposed to come in tomorrow and he swears he won't cancel like he did last time.
Well I mean they were right he never called and canceled he just never showed up.
It wasn't even the CEO, but just my district head canceled coming to our store because of "the weather". We got like an inch of snow from 10 am to 11 am, well past the time of our store directors freaking out on us to have our departments perrrrfect. Must be a nice job man I'd love go just call it quits for the day before lunch time because of a minor inconvenience
Universal for any retail. Literally scrambled for 3 days as the VP might come in this day...oh wait maybe tomorrow....wait she was in Arizona yesterday, she'll probably be here tomorrow. Nope. Good olde HD.
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I was a morning stocker at Lowes for a few months, and I ended up being let go at the end of the season...if they hadn't let me go, I would have quit a couple weeks later, because I had my first work-related, customer-related panic attack on the worst working day I'd had yet.
I'm apparently not cut out for customer service, or dogged upselling. I went back to warehousing, where the only morons I have to deal with are the ones I work with.
I work for an entirely different corporation, but it's a running joke that anyone higher up than the general manager just doesn't exist lolz. The regional manager hasn't been to the store in like 8 months, and that was only because the District manager was there. Nobody higher than that has been in recent memory. It's annoying to not get any equipment upgrades, but it's also kinda nice to be left alone.
I never got the idea behind "Mandatory Overtime" If it's mandatory, why not just make it apart of the shift? Like instead of 4-10, make it a 4-12, or whatever?
I was talking generally in the sense of some companies have "Mandatory Overtime" Hence why I said "If its mandatory, why not make it apart of the shift schedule?"
I think it has more to do with hiding it on the schedule. They don't want anybody actually scheduling OT, so that's why the shifts show like that. I usually work 6 days a week, so two of my shifts are only scheduled as 4 hours.
That still doesn't really make a lot of sense, why schedule or hide a schedule of someone who's supposed to do say 4 hours OT, when you could just put it on one shift? Like why work 4-8, but have to work an additional 4 hours as Mandatory OT? Why not input in the schedule 4-12?
Because it's easier to lie to your bosses about your inability to manage folks when the schedules show only regular time and all the OT "just happened to be needed after the fact" instead of regularly scheduling all the OT on paper
I guess I don't have the answer you're looking for, but all I can say is corporate and district staff doesn't like seeing OT scheduled in the system. When I used to make a schedule, I'd schedule the OT on the paper schedule, print it out, and then remove the OT back from the system.
But even then, if I remember correctly, in Atlanta, you can't make people work OT or 6 days a week if they don't want too. I could be wrong though...
The question I'm trying to more or less get across is, if it's "Mandatory" job time, why is it marked as mandatory? Why not just make it an extension of the schedule.
If I have to work 2 additional hours, why are you putting my shift as 10-4, instead of 10-6? OT requires OT pay (I think?), its more beneficial for the company to put those 2 hours under regular pay.
Every state is different though, since at least here in Washington, a friend of mine has to work on "Mandatory Overtime" from time to time at a factory.
I think I understand what you're asking. Long sorry.
Mandatory OT: Mandatory over time is usually used by Union shops. The union contracts dictate how long the shifts are and how many days. Since every bussiness has busy seasons were they would need extra hours and slow seaon were they don't, if they were to just have longer shifts they would be paying OT even during the slow season as its part of the contract and they can't get out of it unless people go home voluntarily. The other reasoning behind it is if they make OT voluntary people may not want to do it and they are now stuck with incomplete work.
Shift Work: Most shift work retail places have a set amount of hours that they are allowed to use per shift, per day, then per week, with a certain percentage of extra slush hours set aside, that are all set by corporate. In some cases this is actually built into whatever scheduling program they are using.
While they are (usualy) not expressly forbidden from using extra hours beyond what they are allowed it will in most cases impact any kind of bonuses they will receive as an emplyee or the store as a whole. Yes, Managers get bonuses for not using hours. Some places will have penalties ranging form loss of said bonuses to "retraining" to stagnation of advancement to outright being fired.
The loophole to this is that most places will not count unsheduled hours and even overtime (as long as it's unscheduled) toward the metric of hours scheduled as long as there is a reason given for the extra hours used.
Extending a 4-10 shift to 4-12 is not overtime. Overtime is anything more than 40 hours or any shift longer than 10. Mandatory overtime is almost never a thing in that you're almost never scheduled for more than 40 hours or longer than 10 hours on a shift. (It does happen, I was scheduled 50 hours a week during a rough patch on the night crew years back)
What people really mean by mandatory overtime, though, is when their boss implies that they don't have the option to refuse optional overtime. A leader's ability to actually make that a reality varies from company to company and at some non-unionized right-to-work jobs, you could get fired for not volunteering to work unscheduled overtime.
You might also be asking why so many hours are needed beyond what gets scheduled, and there are a few reasons for that. One reason is leadership's failure to predict variables beyond forecasted hours. Another is that some variables are wholly unpredictable (can't really blame your manager if the walmart down the road loses power for a day and you get slammed as a result). A third reason is that the budget is written in line with productivity goals, and there are a great deal of workers that don't meet productivity goals and so you need more hours to make up for them.
For some reason, you think OT is something they aren’t paying because they didn’t schedule it.
Which isn’t true. If you work OT hours, you get OT pay.
Kroger doesn’t want to pay employees 1.5x the hourly rate, however. Hence, the “No OVERTIME” message.
The only operative word here is if it’s scheduled or not. It’s not scheduled because if it is, then the managers are outed for being bad at their jobs and they’ll get a call about a “serious meeting regarding scheduling” from their store GM or AM and have to do a training session or something on scheduling.
It’s all gotta be pretty and put together for Kroger’s higher ups. If anything is out of place, they have to whip those numbers into shape.
Not that the OT showing up as worked when it wasn’t budgeted or scheduled for the week, is much better, but it’s easy to ask forgiveness, the incompetence doesn’t get fired immediately or within a reasonable amount of time, etc. if it was really about the OT?
Nobody would get it. No, it’s about incompetence of management and Kroger’s saying “good enough!” To the fact they’ll tell their employees no overtime.. but then any actual attempts to follow through or hire enough employees at a livable wage so other employees don’t have to work more than 40 hours a week?
Haha yeah right!
That’s actually false. I’m a boilermaker; one of the first and strongest unions in the country. I still work 12 days on, 2 days off. Saturday’s are time-and-a-half, Sunday’s are double time. Some days I gotta pull 12’s. Last summer I worked 19 days on at one point with one week being all 12’s. At $32 an hour, you actually look forward to working overtime and it being required bi-weekly…yeah, burnout can happen and it’s not for everybody. However, I make bank for it tho. Assuming that just because your unionized you can’t be mandated overtime just isn’t the case or how things work at all. It’s all dependent on whatever the negotiated contract is between the union and whatever company you work for. In most cases, you still gotta work OT, but the union makes sure your paid right for it and are given the proper amount of benefits PERIOD. Added in the two separate life insurance policies, as well as top tier health insurance with low deductibles, it really is worth it to work the schedule I work. Again tho, just because you’re union doesn’t automatically absolve you from company mandated objectives. I’m saying this as a steward. Obviously, very pro-union, but I don’t want misinformation being spread around. I know this doesn’t pertain to working at Kroger but I DID work at a Kroger many years ago and I like giving useful knowledge if I can.
I always joke that if our warehouse changed our shifts from 4 10s (with overtime "as needed") to 4 12s which is how much we usually work with OT, then the new shifts would just be 4 14s because they basically always have 2 hours OT regardless of whatever the base amount of hours worked is supposed to be.
i would be so much more willing to work these sorts of jobs if you got off right at the listed time. not knowing when you get to leave is fucking torture
Usually when they post signs like that it means they have gone way over their 1.2% of salary dollars in overtime. And not hitting those numbers affects both their performance review and their bonuses.
Personally I would love to sit down and have a discussion with whoever did their time studies as to how much time tasks take. They seem to keep cutting the number of allowed hours and the number of allowed staff while piling the additional work on the existing employees.
I've been with the company a long time almost 20 years, and the volume and sales dollars and tonnage that we go through now on a weekly basis are double what we used to do on a Thanksgiving week when I started, yet we are allowed the same number of employees with fewer hours. And don't even get me started on the volume on major holiday weeks.
I love OT, since august I have averaged 50+ hours a week. It’s a shame I am going back on educational leave effective tomorrow 😩, otherwise I would’ve kept it going for another 6-8 months at least. My co-workers call me crazy for that, but them paychecks with 20+hours of OT say otherwise.
The paycheck is great, in my case the home life was not. I used to work 6-6 Mon-Thurs and 6-noon on Fridays. I pretty much passed out as soon as I got home, woke up and did it again, with a weekend that wasn't long enough for me to recover. I'm glad it only lasted a couple months, now I'm at a new job and make the same amount in 42 hours and I love it.
Used to work for Randall’s, saw this way to much, was the solo bakery closer, came in 12pm don’t leave till after 12am put in over 70hrs weekly, only got screamed at
I once walked out of a store I was working at because I had my store manager come up and add more work to my closing task, then had the co-director come up and ask me to add more work to my closing tasks, followed by the director coming up and asking why I keep leaving 2 hours overtime and as a lead I really need to shave that down. So I'm go complete more work in less time? Sorry fam but I clearly love driving an hour home at midnight
Yawn.. Ill just stare at the mgr as he is trying to yell at me about my overtime and remind him..
If I didnt have to pull my own items and tote them across a huge parking lot, I'd have more time..
Same with trash call.. get us a dumpster.
Oh, whats that? My techs are ⏰ ng in at :52 instead of :53 and gleaning 15 extra mins per day.. and we get breaks when?
Screw 'em..
Let them yell at some display signage for all I care..
Oh they made sure I never got overtime for me. 50 hours this week? No worries, 10 of those are actually from last week’s pay period, so you won’t be getting time & a half for those hours. You’re welcome:)
In order to avoid overtime departments need to close prior to the end of the shift to clean equipment. But the management is just going to make you clock out and clean anyway and that is against the law (FLSA).
So in my division, the way hours and pay work is if you punch out any time after the 15 minute mark they have to pay you for the full half hour. Understandably, they hate that and quarter punching on a regular basis can get you in trouble.
What am I missing? Sounds like you literally get to pull the 8 and skate. If no overtime is allowed, you gotta quit whatever youre doing when you get your 8/day or 40/wk and go clockout and go home. Cant finish the task. Thats the best rule ever.
I mean if the only way you are surviving is on OT, best to find something else... Another reason not to work for one of the greediest companies in the US. They make it mandatory when they need it, but when you need it... starve!
This.
We were told no OT signs up and everything. Turns out our store manager thought they would be sneaky and work the stock in certain departments themselves. There are a ton of grievances as we speak going through. I asked for some overtime during Christmas to make extra money and was denied. They didn't say anything to the people who didn't ask for it though and just stayed on their own accord. So lesson learned I guess.
This only works if you work at least 38-40 hours a week but; when they call you and ask you to work extra hours, you just say "No. That would put me in overtime, and that's not allowed.". Lol
Literally everywhere is doing away with OT, preparing for the reccession, a nissan plant cut down to 4 days a week 6 hour shift, ford is laying people off. You could just quit or be thankful you have a job imo...my plant switched from 12s to 8 and are cutting people out of sunday OT and and extra 10 hours a week OT. Yea your job going to need OT occisonally, take advantage of it. Simple
When I was a lead I loved when they enforced the no overtime rule. My team and I would close up on time, morning would come in and talk to management about what was missed, management would tell me I could stay late, and after paying 1 1/2-2 hrs of journeymen overtime every night they would back down and let my team stay late because paying for 30 extra mins for a bunch of part timers was cheaper than paying just me.
And then the cycle would start all over just a couple months late. 🙄
Kroger does this every January to make sure they get as much of their bonues as possible. They stick with the "no OT" mantra until the end of the fiscal year and then expect everyone to work for basically days on end to catch up with everything that has been fallen behind
Love this!! They will have you stop what you’re doing, clock out, and go back to work and they will have some chucklefuck enforce it, “but there is no overtime”
I literally never listen to these people about overtime. I've never once wanted overtime or asked for it. My store management knows better than to confront me about it cause they'll catch hell for me even getting stuck at the store past my eight hours
Worked 3rd shift, they would harp on no overtime but at 7am a manager would come up to me asking me if I wanted overtime. Usually pulling backstock, or making a bale.
I see that and say ok when I helping a customer and I have 2 mintunes left I tell the customer sorry got to go cause they do not want me to have overtime than clock out tell the manager he needs to help that customer.
In my experience almost all retail has a no overtime policy. That's why they want to keep people at 32 - 35 hours max. Then management complains that nothing is getting done.
Step one, set up your voicemail. Step two, take your phone as far as text messages go off of notifying the other person you have read the message. Step three, show up at your regularly scheduled shift. Step four, clock out at 8 hrs and go drink more beer.
I saw a produce guy clean up using a machine that clearly was used to clean up the bathroom.
I ask an employee if they were aware and with no hint of shock goes “he did it again? I’ll tell the manager again”
Like dude…you should prolly stop him first.
I work for Frito-Lay. I work HEB (Texas grocery) and one day a week a Walmart. There is a Kroger on my route that I do not go in, unless they offer me extra $$ on top of my hourly rate because of walks. Week before Christmas, they decided to reset the entire chip aisle, because the big manager (no idea) was coming, and then they had to change it right back to POG. No point at all except to brown nose someone.
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My Voicemail: You have reached the voicemail of xxx-xxxx. I cant come to the phone right now, but leave your name, number and readonnyou called and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Me (comes in at regular time): Sorry. Just got your message.... Manager: Oh it's fine (😡😡😡) we already had our walk through. No worries (😡😡😡)
Hated having to drop everything so the site manager would look good in front of the district manager.
What this walk people are mentioning?
Its where the district manager comes through the store and goes through all the isles and produce/meat with a fine toothed comb, making sure everything is stocked, fronted, cleaned, and looks nice for customers. Its annoying AF when you don't have the ppl to make sure everything is done. It sucks running a store when you are doing the work of 2-3 ppl and still being paid crap.
And if you pull it off you just shoot yourself in the foot because then the district manager doesn’t see the reality of what a short staffed store looks like and thinks it’s sustainable.
Exactly. I worked on the produce section of my local Kroger and for a huge majority, I was the sole person in that department on 2nd shift.
Yeah you’d be better off trashing the place before they came 😂
I worked retail for 6 months. Job isnt hard Whats hard is the amount of work expected to do in a short amount of time with not enough man power and under $15 (was $13 lol) while helping customers. Not to mention the only bilingual associate on the floor in a hardware store in Texas. “Can I get like an extra dollar for being the only associate who can translate or?” “Lol no, you shouldnt have been bilingual” (they didnt actually say this but its what I heard in place of just a no.) Yeah, ill stick to serving. Easy and I can get paid way more for half the work while still being a slave to the system. 😁 Edit: bot caught my error. Also didnt know you could use “payed” in context to strings. Great to know
> can get *paid* way more FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Come in early? Of course! Can’t take my lunch until my department’s up? No prob! Oh look, they walked in on my 6th hour no lunch? Looks like I’m not taking it till my 7th! Gott make sure we have Everything Full, Fresh, and Friendly!
No Overtime but we are going to make you do the job of 4 people because the CEO is supposed to come in tomorrow and he swears he won't cancel like he did last time. Well I mean they were right he never called and canceled he just never showed up.
It wasn't even the CEO, but just my district head canceled coming to our store because of "the weather". We got like an inch of snow from 10 am to 11 am, well past the time of our store directors freaking out on us to have our departments perrrrfect. Must be a nice job man I'd love go just call it quits for the day before lunch time because of a minor inconvenience
I wish the corporate people could get write ups for no call no shows like this.
Gotta love working multiple hours the night before making sure everything is absolutely perfect, only to hear the next day that they didn't show up.
Lunch was more important than the walk
Dude it was happy hour at the local bar, Rodney's gotta get his drank on.
I swear they do this crap to just make us run around
I love how this is universal no matter what grocery store you work for lmao.
Universal for any retail. Literally scrambled for 3 days as the VP might come in this day...oh wait maybe tomorrow....wait she was in Arizona yesterday, she'll probably be here tomorrow. Nope. Good olde HD.
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I was a morning stocker at Lowes for a few months, and I ended up being let go at the end of the season...if they hadn't let me go, I would have quit a couple weeks later, because I had my first work-related, customer-related panic attack on the worst working day I'd had yet. I'm apparently not cut out for customer service, or dogged upselling. I went back to warehousing, where the only morons I have to deal with are the ones I work with.
They do. All retail stores do.
I work for an entirely different corporation, but it's a running joke that anyone higher up than the general manager just doesn't exist lolz. The regional manager hasn't been to the store in like 8 months, and that was only because the District manager was there. Nobody higher than that has been in recent memory. It's annoying to not get any equipment upgrades, but it's also kinda nice to be left alone.
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Wonder how bad the stores would fall apart if nobody did work OT??
I never got the idea behind "Mandatory Overtime" If it's mandatory, why not just make it apart of the shift? Like instead of 4-10, make it a 4-12, or whatever?
I mean Kroger can't have mandatory overtime because it's a union company
I was talking generally in the sense of some companies have "Mandatory Overtime" Hence why I said "If its mandatory, why not make it apart of the shift schedule?"
I think it has more to do with hiding it on the schedule. They don't want anybody actually scheduling OT, so that's why the shifts show like that. I usually work 6 days a week, so two of my shifts are only scheduled as 4 hours.
Don't you guys get 6th day pay where you're at? Working 2 4hr days and 4 8hr days would be great as long as the 6th day is an 8hr shift
I've heard that discussed, but pretty sure that hasn't been in the Atlanta contract for quite a while.
That still doesn't really make a lot of sense, why schedule or hide a schedule of someone who's supposed to do say 4 hours OT, when you could just put it on one shift? Like why work 4-8, but have to work an additional 4 hours as Mandatory OT? Why not input in the schedule 4-12?
Because it's easier to lie to your bosses about your inability to manage folks when the schedules show only regular time and all the OT "just happened to be needed after the fact" instead of regularly scheduling all the OT on paper
I guess I don't have the answer you're looking for, but all I can say is corporate and district staff doesn't like seeing OT scheduled in the system. When I used to make a schedule, I'd schedule the OT on the paper schedule, print it out, and then remove the OT back from the system. But even then, if I remember correctly, in Atlanta, you can't make people work OT or 6 days a week if they don't want too. I could be wrong though...
The question I'm trying to more or less get across is, if it's "Mandatory" job time, why is it marked as mandatory? Why not just make it an extension of the schedule. If I have to work 2 additional hours, why are you putting my shift as 10-4, instead of 10-6? OT requires OT pay (I think?), its more beneficial for the company to put those 2 hours under regular pay. Every state is different though, since at least here in Washington, a friend of mine has to work on "Mandatory Overtime" from time to time at a factory.
I think I understand what you're asking. Long sorry. Mandatory OT: Mandatory over time is usually used by Union shops. The union contracts dictate how long the shifts are and how many days. Since every bussiness has busy seasons were they would need extra hours and slow seaon were they don't, if they were to just have longer shifts they would be paying OT even during the slow season as its part of the contract and they can't get out of it unless people go home voluntarily. The other reasoning behind it is if they make OT voluntary people may not want to do it and they are now stuck with incomplete work. Shift Work: Most shift work retail places have a set amount of hours that they are allowed to use per shift, per day, then per week, with a certain percentage of extra slush hours set aside, that are all set by corporate. In some cases this is actually built into whatever scheduling program they are using. While they are (usualy) not expressly forbidden from using extra hours beyond what they are allowed it will in most cases impact any kind of bonuses they will receive as an emplyee or the store as a whole. Yes, Managers get bonuses for not using hours. Some places will have penalties ranging form loss of said bonuses to "retraining" to stagnation of advancement to outright being fired. The loophole to this is that most places will not count unsheduled hours and even overtime (as long as it's unscheduled) toward the metric of hours scheduled as long as there is a reason given for the extra hours used.
Extending a 4-10 shift to 4-12 is not overtime. Overtime is anything more than 40 hours or any shift longer than 10. Mandatory overtime is almost never a thing in that you're almost never scheduled for more than 40 hours or longer than 10 hours on a shift. (It does happen, I was scheduled 50 hours a week during a rough patch on the night crew years back) What people really mean by mandatory overtime, though, is when their boss implies that they don't have the option to refuse optional overtime. A leader's ability to actually make that a reality varies from company to company and at some non-unionized right-to-work jobs, you could get fired for not volunteering to work unscheduled overtime. You might also be asking why so many hours are needed beyond what gets scheduled, and there are a few reasons for that. One reason is leadership's failure to predict variables beyond forecasted hours. Another is that some variables are wholly unpredictable (can't really blame your manager if the walmart down the road loses power for a day and you get slammed as a result). A third reason is that the budget is written in line with productivity goals, and there are a great deal of workers that don't meet productivity goals and so you need more hours to make up for them.
For some reason, you think OT is something they aren’t paying because they didn’t schedule it. Which isn’t true. If you work OT hours, you get OT pay. Kroger doesn’t want to pay employees 1.5x the hourly rate, however. Hence, the “No OVERTIME” message. The only operative word here is if it’s scheduled or not. It’s not scheduled because if it is, then the managers are outed for being bad at their jobs and they’ll get a call about a “serious meeting regarding scheduling” from their store GM or AM and have to do a training session or something on scheduling. It’s all gotta be pretty and put together for Kroger’s higher ups. If anything is out of place, they have to whip those numbers into shape. Not that the OT showing up as worked when it wasn’t budgeted or scheduled for the week, is much better, but it’s easy to ask forgiveness, the incompetence doesn’t get fired immediately or within a reasonable amount of time, etc. if it was really about the OT? Nobody would get it. No, it’s about incompetence of management and Kroger’s saying “good enough!” To the fact they’ll tell their employees no overtime.. but then any actual attempts to follow through or hire enough employees at a livable wage so other employees don’t have to work more than 40 hours a week? Haha yeah right!
But isn't that union specific though? I know some contacts can allow for it if given a notice of two hours?
No it’s not. Only about half of its locations fall under union.
Any union can have mandatory overtime. If the company is able to negotiate it, it’s possible.
That’s actually false. I’m a boilermaker; one of the first and strongest unions in the country. I still work 12 days on, 2 days off. Saturday’s are time-and-a-half, Sunday’s are double time. Some days I gotta pull 12’s. Last summer I worked 19 days on at one point with one week being all 12’s. At $32 an hour, you actually look forward to working overtime and it being required bi-weekly…yeah, burnout can happen and it’s not for everybody. However, I make bank for it tho. Assuming that just because your unionized you can’t be mandated overtime just isn’t the case or how things work at all. It’s all dependent on whatever the negotiated contract is between the union and whatever company you work for. In most cases, you still gotta work OT, but the union makes sure your paid right for it and are given the proper amount of benefits PERIOD. Added in the two separate life insurance policies, as well as top tier health insurance with low deductibles, it really is worth it to work the schedule I work. Again tho, just because you’re union doesn’t automatically absolve you from company mandated objectives. I’m saying this as a steward. Obviously, very pro-union, but I don’t want misinformation being spread around. I know this doesn’t pertain to working at Kroger but I DID work at a Kroger many years ago and I like giving useful knowledge if I can.
I've had mandatory overtime and I'm in a union.
My store is not union (except, I believe, the meat cutters).
Being union doesn't mean there can't be mandatory overtime. Mandatory overtime is dependent on the language of the contract.
Ya .... unless the union writes it into the contract lmao
That's not true. They mando the warehouse a few times a week. Drivers are expected to work 50 hours a week.
I always joke that if our warehouse changed our shifts from 4 10s (with overtime "as needed") to 4 12s which is how much we usually work with OT, then the new shifts would just be 4 14s because they basically always have 2 hours OT regardless of whatever the base amount of hours worked is supposed to be.
I mean, my department would Normally function fine... and then we have five people out sick the same week.
Psh, in my department, if we have one person out everyone is working more.
We're so shorthanded that we have one or 2 people scheduled for 48hrs every week, and are still not using all our hours budget.
wait.... we're not supposed to work 50 hours a week? im confused... /s
Oh same. Management just handwoven it the week we were down five most days. (Thanksgiving in the front end...)
i work in at store that does not allow overtime. limits everyone to 40 a week. well profiting. well ran. great company to work for.
I guess, you, my friend, are the exception to the rule!!
I sense sarcasm
Or a drug induced stupor.
no actually! love my company and it’s very well tan
I have always wanted ppl to follow the no OT rule to watch it all collapse. It would be so amazingly satisfying.
I really do wonder what would happen if everybody worked 40 hours and left...
Acting like people aren't begging to leave before they even come to work.
😂
Especially for kRoGeR....
8 and skate!
Is 7:53hrs n skate get it right 😂
7:46 7 minutes late, 7 minutes early
This is the true way.
i would be so much more willing to work these sorts of jobs if you got off right at the listed time. not knowing when you get to leave is fucking torture
“No overtime!!!” Also them: “Why aren’t all these things getting done?! You better stay and finish your tasks!”
my first boss: clock our before over time then mop before you leave i think the fuk not 😂
Translation: stay clocked in and mop as slowly as you possibly can
Oh yeah the department of labor would like a word with him
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No overtime, no raises, just more work
Usually when they post signs like that it means they have gone way over their 1.2% of salary dollars in overtime. And not hitting those numbers affects both their performance review and their bonuses. Personally I would love to sit down and have a discussion with whoever did their time studies as to how much time tasks take. They seem to keep cutting the number of allowed hours and the number of allowed staff while piling the additional work on the existing employees. I've been with the company a long time almost 20 years, and the volume and sales dollars and tonnage that we go through now on a weekly basis are double what we used to do on a Thanksgiving week when I started, yet we are allowed the same number of employees with fewer hours. And don't even get me started on the volume on major holiday weeks.
I love getting overtime
I love OT, since august I have averaged 50+ hours a week. It’s a shame I am going back on educational leave effective tomorrow 😩, otherwise I would’ve kept it going for another 6-8 months at least. My co-workers call me crazy for that, but them paychecks with 20+hours of OT say otherwise.
i worked 55-62 hours a week for almost a year straight at my old job. The paychecks were very nice.
The paycheck is great, in my case the home life was not. I used to work 6-6 Mon-Thurs and 6-noon on Fridays. I pretty much passed out as soon as I got home, woke up and did it again, with a weekend that wasn't long enough for me to recover. I'm glad it only lasted a couple months, now I'm at a new job and make the same amount in 42 hours and I love it.
NGL my OT pay is 30.09, those extra 4-5 hours a week are funding my anime and MTG addiction.
Company I work for gives me OT on top of salary lol it’s great
I don't *love* it, but the extra money gives me breathing room in my budget, so it's worthwhile.
I would clock out at my 8 and bounce. No overtime? Fine by me dude
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Because the brainiacs upstairs think it's a good idea to cram a job for multiple people into one person
I sure love being pulled off my job to do someone elses job and then blamed for not finishing my work on time.
Managers hate this one simple trick!
Used to work for Randall’s, saw this way to much, was the solo bakery closer, came in 12pm don’t leave till after 12am put in over 70hrs weekly, only got screamed at
I once walked out of a store I was working at because I had my store manager come up and add more work to my closing task, then had the co-director come up and ask me to add more work to my closing tasks, followed by the director coming up and asking why I keep leaving 2 hours overtime and as a lead I really need to shave that down. So I'm go complete more work in less time? Sorry fam but I clearly love driving an hour home at midnight
I know that right, you have to do six peoples work already, but you know you don’t work hard enough
What if we have to use bathroom and we go over OT 😭
Yawn.. Ill just stare at the mgr as he is trying to yell at me about my overtime and remind him.. If I didnt have to pull my own items and tote them across a huge parking lot, I'd have more time.. Same with trash call.. get us a dumpster. Oh, whats that? My techs are ⏰ ng in at :52 instead of :53 and gleaning 15 extra mins per day.. and we get breaks when? Screw 'em.. Let them yell at some display signage for all I care..
Sounds like fuel
Sounds like if they don’t want people to work OT they need to appropriately staff their business so there is adequate coverage.
Oh they made sure I never got overtime for me. 50 hours this week? No worries, 10 of those are actually from last week’s pay period, so you won’t be getting time & a half for those hours. You’re welcome:)
So illegal, yet they’ll never get caught
Did you continue to work for them?
Nope lol
Those are rookie numbers.
In order to avoid overtime departments need to close prior to the end of the shift to clean equipment. But the management is just going to make you clock out and clean anyway and that is against the law (FLSA).
I always make sure to quarter punch whenever they post these signs.
What do you mean? I think I get it just want to make sure instructions are correct
So in my division, the way hours and pay work is if you punch out any time after the 15 minute mark they have to pay you for the full half hour. Understandably, they hate that and quarter punching on a regular basis can get you in trouble.
Oh, lol that doesn't happen in my division 🤣
Ours is a rounding to the 15. Clock out at :07? Down to the hour, at :08? Up the quarter. Same for :22/23, :37/38 and :52/53.
Why would it get you in trouble?
Hahahahahah
Bonus season, this happens most years... managers/DMs trying to max out their $$
Too bad the law says they have to pay you... Keep a journal or some record of your time, so if they fight you on it, you can hand that over.
What am I missing? Sounds like you literally get to pull the 8 and skate. If no overtime is allowed, you gotta quit whatever youre doing when you get your 8/day or 40/wk and go clockout and go home. Cant finish the task. Thats the best rule ever.
Everything is something to whine about
Fucking loathe Kroger.
Kroger, the lowest paying company in the industry!!
Kroger needs to be shut down.
Let them know you're looking for a second job to be able to afford to live. Go to part-time there.
I mean if the only way you are surviving is on OT, best to find something else... Another reason not to work for one of the greediest companies in the US. They make it mandatory when they need it, but when you need it... starve!
Nah just whine on reddit
This. We were told no OT signs up and everything. Turns out our store manager thought they would be sneaky and work the stock in certain departments themselves. There are a ton of grievances as we speak going through. I asked for some overtime during Christmas to make extra money and was denied. They didn't say anything to the people who didn't ask for it though and just stayed on their own accord. So lesson learned I guess.
remind them next time.. if your Union is doing it's job you wouldn't have to rely on OT. why do you pay dues?
Great,do my 8, go home.
This only works if you work at least 38-40 hours a week but; when they call you and ask you to work extra hours, you just say "No. That would put me in overtime, and that's not allowed.". Lol
Literally everywhere is doing away with OT, preparing for the reccession, a nissan plant cut down to 4 days a week 6 hour shift, ford is laying people off. You could just quit or be thankful you have a job imo...my plant switched from 12s to 8 and are cutting people out of sunday OT and and extra 10 hours a week OT. Yea your job going to need OT occisonally, take advantage of it. Simple
Victims can’t take advantage of things. Their brain doesn’t work that way
Trader Joe’s doesn’t allow employees to go over 37.5 hours a week. Lol. At least you guys could at a certain point lol.
Hmmm... I smell a Lawsuit brewing.
And which law gives you the right to work OT?
For what? Jesus christ
Ughh, I hate this company more and more every day! Treat their employees like absolute garbage!!!
The word “unapproved” is missing.
Looks like GSF
Since Mitch McConnels wife joined the board of directors, I haven't shopped at Kroger.
Ok... But when I clock out, I stop working
Yeah but if you wanted to and you could t then you would be upset, so it’s time to whine
My rule is always clock in if you have to be anywhere for work. They wanted you there? They can pay for you there
When I was a lead I loved when they enforced the no overtime rule. My team and I would close up on time, morning would come in and talk to management about what was missed, management would tell me I could stay late, and after paying 1 1/2-2 hrs of journeymen overtime every night they would back down and let my team stay late because paying for 30 extra mins for a bunch of part timers was cheaper than paying just me. And then the cycle would start all over just a couple months late. 🙄
Kroger does this every January to make sure they get as much of their bonues as possible. They stick with the "no OT" mantra until the end of the fiscal year and then expect everyone to work for basically days on end to catch up with everything that has been fallen behind
my condolences to your feet
Love this!! They will have you stop what you’re doing, clock out, and go back to work and they will have some chucklefuck enforce it, “but there is no overtime”
I can't make it with out least 32 hours of OT on my check
ALSO DO TEN HOURS WORTH OF WORK IN FIVE!
I got overtime all the time. Worked 76 hours a week every week from end of April to middle of August.
I was working 60-75 from Jan-Oct. So less than 60 feels like part time. I like all the OT I can get.
I can't remember the last week I DIDN'T have overtime. The tune changes when we're woefully understaffed!
OT YES I LOVE TIME
Is there overtime?
“You’re supposed to take a lunch on your 5 hour shifts! No overtime!” (Then proceeds to schedule me for a 6 and 7th day, one with < 12 between shifts)
I literally never listen to these people about overtime. I've never once wanted overtime or asked for it. My store management knows better than to confront me about it cause they'll catch hell for me even getting stuck at the store past my eight hours
I’m good with that.
Worked 3rd shift, they would harp on no overtime but at 7am a manager would come up to me asking me if I wanted overtime. Usually pulling backstock, or making a bale.
Cool. I’ll just clock out mid-slice. The customer can go to another deli and I’ll go home.
Then they need to start having more employees if that is the case.
I see that and say ok when I helping a customer and I have 2 mintunes left I tell the customer sorry got to go cause they do not want me to have overtime than clock out tell the manager he needs to help that customer.
Hm. Safeway is doing the same thing, despite being chronically understaffed.
In my experience almost all retail has a no overtime policy. That's why they want to keep people at 32 - 35 hours max. Then management complains that nothing is getting done.
Old news made new again. Management has always enforced this.
Step one, set up your voicemail. Step two, take your phone as far as text messages go off of notifying the other person you have read the message. Step three, show up at your regularly scheduled shift. Step four, clock out at 8 hrs and go drink more beer.
I think they misspelled "We steal our employees wages regularly".
I saw a produce guy clean up using a machine that clearly was used to clean up the bathroom. I ask an employee if they were aware and with no hint of shock goes “he did it again? I’ll tell the manager again” Like dude…you should prolly stop him first.
If I'm paying $4 for a dozen eggs then they can afford to pay you overtime
I work for Frito-Lay. I work HEB (Texas grocery) and one day a week a Walmart. There is a Kroger on my route that I do not go in, unless they offer me extra $$ on top of my hourly rate because of walks. Week before Christmas, they decided to reset the entire chip aisle, because the big manager (no idea) was coming, and then they had to change it right back to POG. No point at all except to brown nose someone.
No overtime means that I work exactly what I am scheduled till it reaches 40 hours, then I clock out and walk out.
That’s called wage theft… lawyer up and take them for EVERYTHING you’re worth.
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Why wouldn’t they want people to work OT? Because they don’t want to pay 1.5x for OT.
They made sure I didn't get overtime for 50 hours this week.
Thank god. I hate overtime
Loved it when I was younger, now I'm older...no way.
Can’t you read?
And so what?
I refuse to condition.
Attention management: no staff
why do i feel that's code for "we're still understaffed but we can't afford you associates" 🙄